WDYT about global warming?

jiffy-pop · February 2010

I don't post on this board but I was lurking and thought I would get your opinions.

Dobie_Mama · February 2010

In what respect? Like, does it exist? Does it suck? What's causing it?

papagena · February 2010

Dobie_Mama:
In what respect? Like, does it exist? Does it suck? What's causing it?

This.

I think it's Al Gore's fault, actually.

tmp-214118062502913 · February 2010

It's a complete scam made by the democrats to bring fear into us so they can control us.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

Dobie_Mama:
In what respect? Like, does it exist? Does it suck? What's causing it?

All of the above.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

mdjunebride:
It's a complete scam made by the democrats to bring fear into us so they can control us.

I actually agree w/ you. It's all about money. When the professors from that school made the "discovery," they started getting a lot of grant money for research. Then, when they realized it was a false reading, they couldn't just tell the whole world that especially since it became such a phenomenon and especially since the school would lose all that govt. funding.

tmp-214118062502913 · February 2010

Oh gosh, I actually was trying to be funny Embarrassed

papagena · February 2010

This being the EF board, I kind of feel like a puppet being asked to dance, but...

I prefer the term climate change, it sucks, we're speeding it up with unnecessary excess and unsustainable lifestyle choices, and I feel like we (as a nation and even global community) need to take drastic steps to try and limit the damage that decades of pollution has caused our world and atmosphere. I'm not an expert on what is causing it, but I'd venture to say unclean sources of energy, production and transportation are probably the top factors.

So, OP - what do YOU think??

pixy_stix · February 2010

mdjunebride:
Oh gosh, I actually was trying to be funny

It's not your fault she missed the sarcasm. Nor, apparently, the intellegence and research that has gone into the subject.

papagena · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
mdjunebride:
It's a complete scam made by the democrats to bring fear into us so they can control us.

I actually agree w/ you. It's all about money. When the professors from that school made the "discovery," they started getting a lot of grant money for research. Then, when they realized it was a false reading, they couldn't just tell the whole world that especially since it became such a phenomenon and especially since the school would lose all that govt. funding.

Hmm

Never heard that one. I'm pretty sure that research that has been done since then has confirmed the phenomena of climate change. Where's pixy??

Can I respectfully ask what brought you over here to ask this oh so non-controversial question?

pixy_stix · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
mdjunebride:
It's a complete scam made by the democrats to bring fear into us so they can control us.

I actually agree w/ you. It's all about money. When the professors from that school made the "discovery," they started getting a lot of grant money for research. Then, when they realized it was a false reading, they couldn't just tell the whole world that especially since it became such a phenomenon and especially since the school would lose all that govt. funding.

You're a friggen idiot who apparently gets all your research from email forwards.

Thousands of scientists all over the world are finding evidence of global climate change in all fields of science. Entomologists, marine/freshwater biologists, soil biologists, climatologists, etc. are all finding evidence of a changing global weather pattern. I've read many a scientific report that includes this data as a side note that *something* is happening to the climate.

Oh, but yeah it all comes out of one institution. Confused

papagena · February 2010

pixy_stix:
mdjunebride:
Oh gosh, I actually was trying to be funny
It's not your fault she missed the sarcasm. Nor, apparently, the intellegence and research that has gone into the subject.

Geeze, I post everything after the fact today....

Dobie_Mama · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
Dobie_Mama:
In what respect? Like, does it exist? Does it suck? What's causing it?

All of the above.

Yes. Yes. Outside of normal temperatures changes, us.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

I posted on this board b/c I figured that is kind of what this board is about - saving the Earth: one cloth diaper at a time. HA just kidding. I actually find cloth diapering and other things that save money very interesting and I plan on trying it. But, IMHO, I don't believe I am saving the world by doing it - just saving money. Like I said, just my opinion, and I value your opinions as well. That is why I posted this question for you.

Dobie_Mama · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
I actually find cloth diapering and other things that save money very interesting and I plan on trying it. But, IMHO, I don't believe I am saving the world by doing it - just saving money.

Let's look at it the opposite way - do you think you're helping the world by using disposable items? Do you think there are no negative consequences to the average American producing 1.6k lbs of trash per year? Even in the most basic sense of space, we can't keep that up forever. It has to go somewhere, and we only have so many somewheres for it to go.

pixy_stix · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
Like I said, just my opinion, and I value your opinions as well.

Your "opinion" isn't even based in a shred of truth, though. If we were talking about "what should I have for dinner" (although, in light of the c&p I probably wouldn't be asking you), then I may value your opinion. Respecting your opinion on something you have very little background in and/or knowledge? No, I'm sorry, it doesn't happen that way.

papagena · February 2010

Dobie_Mama:
jiffy-pop:
I actually find cloth diapering and other things that save money very interesting and I plan on trying it. But, IMHO, I don't believe I am saving the world by doing it - just saving money.
Let's look at it the opposite way - do you think you're helping the world by using disposable items? Do you think there are no negative consequences to the average American producing 1.6k lbs of trash per year? Even in the most basic sense of space, we can't keep that up forever. It has to go somewhere, and we only have so many somewheres for it to go.

Plus the fact that that trash has fecal matter in it that isn't getting processed and is leaching into our ground table water and finding it's way into our sources of drinking water. Poop in a cup, anyone?

Dobie_Mama · February 2010

papagena:
Dobie_Mama:
jiffy-pop:
I actually find cloth diapering and other things that save money very interesting and I plan on trying it. But, IMHO, I don't believe I am saving the world by doing it - just saving money.
Let's look at it the opposite way - do you think you're helping the world by using disposable items? Do you think there are no negative consequences to the average American producing 1.6k lbs of trash per year? Even in the most basic sense of space, we can't keep that up forever. It has to go somewhere, and we only have so many somewheres for it to go.
Plus the fact that that trash has fecal matter in it that isn't getting processed and is leaching into our ground table water and finding it's way into our sources of drinking water. Poop in a cup, anyone?

I love an ice cold fecal coliform. Very refreshing.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

treesapplaud · February 2010

I don't think anyone here would say that CD's are the way to save the planet. I also think if I lived in some place like Phoenix, I'd have to rethink my stance on CDing as there is a general lack of water. Then something like gDiapers would appeal more.

However, babies do produce 2 tons of solid waste during their time in diapers. Raw sewerage is a public health hazard. Whats in diapers goes into the soil and eventually our drinking water. There really is no 'away' to throw things.

Disposable diapers are the largest most common thing that is no recycleable in American trash and it takes about a billion trees (literally) each year to make diapers.

Disclaimer: I don't have kids, when I do I plan to cloth diaper and I study environmental science. And I love the EFFers for the lack of drama and that everyone here finds their own way to work out EF values.

Dobie_Mama · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

Fair enough - God will destroy the Earth. But don't you think we could make what we have left of it pretty dang miserable with our own actions before he does that?

Soyager · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

Then why even question anything if it's all "God's will" anyway? What's the point of this discussion if it's all left up to God?

pixy_stix · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

God has also allowed us to wage war, pollute the earth with nuclear waste, destroy our air quality with coal burning power plants and industry, allowed millions to die of famine, etc. Do you think he's going to stop something as piddling as the warming of our climate?

Have you thought that *maybe* this is how God will destroy the Earth? By allowing us to pollute it to the point where no life can be sustained?

jiffy-pop · February 2010

Soyager:

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

Then why even question anything if it's all "God's will" anyway? What's the point of this discussion if it's all left up to God?

Like I said, just interested in opinions. Smile

tmp-214118062502913 · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
Soyager:

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

Then why even question anything if it's all "God's will" anyway? What's the point of this discussion if it's all left up to God?

Like I said, just interested in opinions.

Nah, you're interested in being a PITA. You need a hobby.

papagena · February 2010

I think CDing is one of the many things gals around here do. I personally don't believe the entire "God made XYZ happen", especially when we've figured out how to destroy pretty much everything (nuclear war, that one not meant as a global warming thing). Besides, if we are going to debate this from a religious standpoint, he told us to take care of His world. If God really was going to flip the switch one day, with no respect with what we've done to destroy or uphold things, why would he have bothered? We have free will, and our actions have multiple reactions which we need to realize and take responsibility for.

treesapplaud · February 2010

papagena:
Besides, if we are going to debate this from a religious standpoint, he told us to take care of His world. If God really was going to flip the switch one day, with no respect with what we've done to destroy or uphold things, why would he have bothered? We have free will, and our actions have multiple reactions which we need to realize and take responsibility for.

I believe this as well. One of the first things God said to people was to be a good steward fot eh place He's given us. It's up to us to make our choices and enjoy or suffer through them, same and all our choices.

andrealynn0707 · February 2010

Respect. Stewardship. Jazz hands.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

pixy_stix:

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

God has also allowed us to wage war, pollute the earth with nuclear waste, destroy our air quality with coal burning power plants and industry, allowed millions to die of famine, etc. Do you think he's going to stop something as piddling as the warming of our climate?

Have you thought that *maybe* this is how God will destroy the Earth? By allowing us to pollute it to the point where no life can be sustained?

I actually did think about this possibility but the Bible says He will destroy the Earth with fire. But, who knows? I just go by what the Bible tells me. And it seems that everything happening (everything you mentioned) is only evidence of His coming.

pixy_stix · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
I actually did think about this possibility but the Bible says He will destroy the Earth with fire. But, who knows? I just go by what the Bible tells me. And it seems that everything happening (everything you mentioned) is only evidence of His coming.

Fire... global warming... heat... destruction... Yup, I say that's pretty close.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

treesapplaud:

papagena:
Besides, if we are going to debate this from a religious standpoint, he told us to take care of His world. If God really was going to flip the switch one day, with no respect with what we've done to destroy or uphold things, why would he have bothered? We have free will, and our actions have multiple reactions which we need to realize and take responsibility for.

I believe this as well. One of the first things God said to people was to be a good steward fot eh place He's given us. It's up to us to make our choices and enjoy or suffer through them, same and all our choices.

Absolutely agree!

tmp-214118062502913 · February 2010

pixy_stix:
jiffy-pop:

I actually did think about this possibility but the Bible says He will destroy the Earth with fire. But, who knows? I just go by what the Bible tells me. And it seems that everything happening (everything you mentioned) is only evidence of His coming.

Fire... global warming... heat... destruction... Yup, I say that's pretty close.

THIS!!!!!!

kelbrian · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

In my opinion, I think that you are taking the easy way out with believing this. By not believing that humans are causing global warming, you are in essence saying that you do not believe that you have an obligation to this Earth and its people to better it.

I call it laziness and pure ignorance. I do believe in God, and I believe that he created this Earth and will one day destroy it. However, I also believe that he called us to be stewards of this planet that was once far more beautiful than it is now. He wants us to take care of his creation. Filling cities with smog and pollution and our water supply with fecal matter, chemicals, and poison is not taking care of His creation. Destroying large forests and mountain areas, littering, not recycling, etc. is not taking care of His creation.

It is like a slap to the face to God to say that we have no personal responsibility to take care of His gift to us. It is our responsibility to take care of our Earth and to make sure that we leave it in a way so that our children and our grandchildren and so on can live and prosper for as long as this planet exists.

papagena · February 2010

pixy_stix:
jiffy-pop:
I actually did think about this possibility but the Bible says He will destroy the Earth with fire. But, who knows? I just go by what the Bible tells me. And it seems that everything happening (everything you mentioned) is only evidence of His coming.

Fire... global warming... heat... destruction... Yup, I say that's pretty close.

Right on, Pixy!!!

OneSimpleMom · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

I believe that God is in control too, but that doesn't negate the effects that humans have on the earth. Actions have consequences. And as someone else said, have you ever considered that God may use human actions to destroy the planet? No offense, but you have made some statements here that are not very well thought out. You might do better to read some factual material on the subject before engaging in a discussion.

jiffy-pop · February 2010

kelbrian:

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.

In my opinion, I think that you are taking the easy way out with believing this. By not believing that humans are causing global warming, you are in essence saying that you do not believe that you have an obligation to this Earth and its people to better it.

I call it laziness and pure ignorance. I do believe in God, and I believe that he created this Earth and will one day destroy it. However, I also believe that he called us to be stewards of this planet that was once far more beautiful than it is now. He wants us to take care of his creation. Filling cities with smog and pollution and our water supply with fecal matter, chemicals, and poison is not taking care of His creation. Destroying large forests and mountain areas, littering, not recycling, etc. is not taking care of His creation.

It is like a slap to the face to God to say that we have no personal responsibility to take care of His gift to us. It is our responsibility to take care of our Earth and to make sure that we leave it in a way so that our children and our grandchildren and so on can live and prosper for as long as this planet exists.

I agree with everything you said. I just don't believe that global warming exists.

Dobie_Mama · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
I agree with everything you said. I just don't believe that global warming exists.

You don't believe it exists at all? Or you don't believe we're contributing to it?

kelbrian · February 2010

jiffy-pop:
kelbrian:

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.
In my opinion, I think that you are taking the easy way out with believing this. By not believing that humans are causing global warming, you are in essence saying that you do not believe that you have an obligation to this Earth and its people to better it.
I call it laziness and pure ignorance. I do believe in God, and I believe that he created this Earth and will one day destroy it. However, I also believe that he called us to be stewards of this planet that was once far more beautiful than it is now. He wants us to take care of his creation. Filling cities with smog and pollution and our water supply with fecal matter, chemicals, and poison is not taking care of His creation. Destroying large forests and mountain areas, littering, not recycling, etc. is not taking care of His creation.
It is like a slap to the face to God to say that we have no personal responsibility to take care of His gift to us. It is our responsibility to take care of our Earth and to make sure that we leave it in a way so that our children and our grandchildren and so on can live and prosper for as long as this planet exists.

I agree with everything you said. I just don't believe that global warming exists.

Imagine my head slamming into a desk right now.

HUMANS created this mess. Melting ice caps, animal extinction, dwindling water supply, tsunamis, pollution, overfilling landfills, an island created solely out of TRASH. WE did this. It is a direct result of the selfishness and carelessness of humans.

God didn't do this. He gave us free will. And with that free will, humans created climate change.

papagena · February 2010

kelbrian:
jiffy-pop:
kelbrian:

jiffy-pop:
My belief that global warming due to human waste doesn't exist is mainly based on my belief that the only one who will destroy the earth is God. The Earth goes through climate cycles. I also believe in being a good steward of the environment. That is what what God has put us in charge of. I want to take good care of the Earth and it's inhabitants, but humans are not causing global warming.
In my opinion, I think that you are taking the easy way out with believing this. By not believing that humans are causing global warming, you are in essence saying that you do not believe that you have an obligation to this Earth and its people to better it.
I call it laziness and pure ignorance. I do believe in God, and I believe that he created this Earth and will one day destroy it. However, I also believe that he called us to be stewards of this planet that was once far more beautiful than it is now. He wants us to take care of his creation. Filling cities with smog and pollution and our water supply with fecal matter, chemicals, and poison is not taking care of His creation. Destroying large forests and mountain areas, littering, not recycling, etc. is not taking care of His creation.
It is like a slap to the face to God to say that we have no personal responsibility to take care of His gift to us. It is our responsibility to take care of our Earth and to make sure that we leave it in a way so that our children and our grandchildren and so on can live and prosper for as long as this planet exists.

I agree with everything you said. I just don't believe that global warming exists.
Imagine my head slamming into a desk right now.
HUMANS created this mess. Melting ice caps, animal extinction, dwindling water supply, tsunamis, pollution, overfilling landfills, an island created solely out of TRASH. WE did this. It is a direct result of the selfishness and carelessness of humans.
God didn't do this. He gave us free will. And with that free will, humans created climate change.

One day, the newest version of the bible will read "and humans begat climate change..."

triumphantreturnofplanningbug · February 2010

:::bites tongue and tells herself that she will NOT get into a debate about the relative merits of pre-millennialism its supposed theological grounding on the EFF board:::

andrealynn0707 · February 2010

triumphantreturnofplanningbug:
:::bites tongue and tells herself that she will NOT get into a debate about the relative merits of pre-millennialism its supposed theological grounding on the EFF board:::

I would actually like to hear what you have to say. Though, I don't necessarily need to hear it here

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