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Vaccines are NOT 100 percent effective
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Re: Vaccines are NOT 100 percent effective
Oh so you mean that because I didn't read your literature I did not research it extensively. I get it.
What are you going to do when your kids get older and want to travel abroad?
You have to think about babies who are too young to get the vaccine.
If someone brings their little baby for their first pediatrician appointment, and another child in the waiting room had parents who were ignorant enough not to get their children vaccinated... a disease could be spread to a child who didn't even have a chance to get vaccinated.
Please don't assume that we're all trying to avoid autism. I just am a fan of natural immunity.
You get mad when I suggest you didn't do your research--yet you do the same thing. I can assure you I did not take it lightly.
Ignorant? Gee, thanks. How dare I suggest you didn't do your research, but you accuse me of being ignorant?
Kettle, meet pot...
Monkeybutt...dont' you know!!! Pass around the Jesus juice, it will save them.
Teeheehee
It is.
DH has two kids on the spectrum vaccinated. We vaccinated DD.
unvaccinated children are not allowed in our public schools.
in june, my eldest got a very mild case of the chicken pox. he was vaccinated at 14mo (8 years ago). he was supposed to receive a booster and never did.
my dd was unvaccinated at the time. she did not get the pox. a few weeks later, once she was 1, she got it.
ds had to miss the last week of school bc of the pox and the school was actually annoyed with us that he got them.
I believe you are right...but there are still people out there that still use this as their reason not to vaccinate. The fear is already in their minds.
I could use some Jesus juice right now
but that is YOUR pedi who went to medical school and researched.
MY pedi says totally different things. she almost faints when someone comes in and wants certain vaxes together.
so just bc "they have gone to medical school" does not mean that they are right or wrong.
You may be a fan of natural immunity but that doesn't mean there aren't things out there that can defeat your natural immunity. They are called super bugs for a reason.
Well, obviously YOUR pedi is ignorant. Duh.
I just did a quick search (granted not extensive but on several websites) it says that the prevalence is like 1-2 cases per 100,000 people. How many G-B cases were really wrongly dx as polio? If it is that uncommon, I struggle to understand how "many" cases were mis-dx.
they may also know people.
i knew a woman whose child 100% completely changed after the MMR vax (i met her AFTER i decided to wait until 2 - so there are no confusions). within a week he completely stopped talking, stopped walking, and basically "started over" - and very slowly at that. so its not always fear.
yes. obviously. and the pedi who kicked me out of his practice bc i wouldnt do the MMR at 12 months was the genius.
Lol at natural immunity...so those that vaccinate aren't using their "natural" immunity? Except for the immuno-compromised, we all use our immune systems daily. That's exactly what vaccines are set up to do - use the body's "natural" immune system to fight off these deadly diseases, allowing the person who comes across the disease to have a milder reaction (or none at all) instead of the full-blown disease. Do you know how an immune system works? Not trying to be snarky, but just wanted to know if you knew the fundamentals here...
If you disagree w/ everyone else put your balls out on the table and tell us where you got your info.
Otherwise you don't sound credible. While I'm going through w/ a full but delayed vac. schedule for DS we will have more kids and I may change my mind. A woman on my local board I respect very much is selectively vaccinating. I am truly interested in her and your research, but please post it for everyone to read.
Make mine a double lady!
Just going to throw out there that it is proven that unvaccinated children fare better than vaccinated children with illnesses (including VPD's).
I agree. I feel like if my child got sick I would want someone or something to blame too. And it is possible it does even though it was proven not true. However, I have said it many times I feel the risk to my child is greater not to vaccinate. My cousins son is Autistic and he will tell you the same.
goodheartedmommy, even though you have done your own research and come to your own conclusions, surely you can understand why people think you're "crazy."
I mean, honestly - your conclusions and choice not to vaccinate go against years and years of public health and medical practice and recommendations from every major medical organization.
yes, medicine and public health are constantly evolving as evidence proves changes are necessary. but right now, your opinions are very outside the norm, which is why you are constantly battling others on them.
can you provide some links re: your earlier claims? honest question. I just want to see where you're getting the information and do some reading.
I'm firmly in the pro-vaccination court though.
"proven not true" is still up for a big time debate in itself.
I would love to see your research on this.
Yes, I do. Do you?
There are always going to be debates in the medical world. In the end we will all do what we feel is right for our children. I may not agree with some people's methods but that does not make them "ignorant" or "bad parents" it just means they have different view points than me.
and i agree with you to a point. but what i dont agree with is why any mother (after research!!) would say "yes stick my child with 5 different vaxes! i won't know which one it is if s/he has a reaction, but go ahead!!!"
This is what I'm talking about. I can make any sh!t up saying "it is PROVEN that kids who get vaccs start sprouting horns at age 5." but nobody's gonna listen unless I give a source.
Source please.
I agree. However, it was still based on one study. Proven true or proven not true, it was one study.
yes one study. which im sure pharmaceuticals had a hand in... just saying... LOL
Both of my step sons had the signs before the MMR. Let me tell you that they didn't notice the 1st borns signs until after. You can miss the easily. DH looks back now and can see the signs the flapping, eye contact, spinning, lining things up. Autistic kids can go through a social regress. At two this kid new all the planets in order and the Alphabet in multiple languages not long after he stopped talking for awhile. It comes in waves with the anxiety. Now you're lucky if he doesn't talk in third person.
There is a blog out there I saw of a Dad who swore the R gave his 1st Autism. The second didn't get vaccinated and ended up having it too.
While we are on theories. My theory DH's ex has mental disored in her family.
Anyways
Goodhearted yes I did other research. The research led me to my pedi and his reseach is all in this PDF off his site where he also sites his sources and explains the reasoning.
She just described how an immune system works. And I believe she's been to med school. Therefore, I'm going with yes on this one.
Which illnesses are you talking about? The common cold? Or measles?
Pretty sure measles is the leading cause of vaccine-preventable deaths among young children. But what does the CDC know??
My pedi won't do this. She does 1 or 2 at a time and watches for reactions. So far there have been none. We did it this way because he had a hard birth, low birth weight, etc. I also think it was a good way to do it for both Luke and I.
oh i agree with you. but when you are a mother of a child and have no "fear" of the MMR vax (ie: no reason to blame it) and then your child completely flips? that is odd. it wasn't a slow regression - at all.
you are in the minority my friend. (thats how we do it too for the most part)
Yes, thank you. I could BORE you with the mundane details and ins and outs of the immune system. FAR more than anyone would care to know, I'm sure.