And to the person who made the cookie comment, I would just like to say that for myself, having natural childbirth had nothing to with wanting a trophy or a pat on the back. It was a decision that I made based on several factors, doing my research and my previous birthing experience.
It was thrown around a lot on the tri boards when I was pg that moms who give birth w/o meds are only looking for props or bragging rights. That may be true for some, but definitely not so for me....and it bothers me when people say this.
I decided 1st ttr that I was having an epi. I looked at the options and that was my decision, Why would it bother you in the least what another women chooses to do?? How could you possibly know iwhether or not she has researched her decision?
I had contractions that were 7 min or less apart for 3 days, non-stop. I didn't sleep, eat or drink anything during this time, so I didn't think I would even have the strength or energy to go through childbirth. Just b/c it was the right choice for you, doesn't mean another choice is wrong. Stop being so judgemental!!!
And to the person who made the cookie comment, I would just like to say that for myself, having natural childbirth had nothing to with wanting a trophy or a pat on the back. It was a decision that I made based on several factors, doing my research and my previous birthing experience.
It was thrown around a lot on the tri boards when I was pg that moms who give birth w/o meds are only looking for props or bragging rights. That may be true for some, but definitely not so for me....and it bothers me when people say this.
Well I didnt offer you a cookie, did I? You dont seem to be asking for one.
I am gonna go right out on a limb and argee with you. I agree that it's a personal choice and to each their own but 1st tri does seem a little soon to make that decision. BUT!!! Maybe she was doing her research way before she got pregs and knows what she wants. The risks are way tooscary for me to have considered one but my sis and my bff both had them and it was right for them. Soyeah I guess to each their own.
Why is 1st tri "a little soon?" Most women think about pregnancy before getting pregnant, you know. And seriously, who gives a sh!t? I think I kind of cared when I was pregnant but now that I've gone through childbirth, I couldn't care less how a woman choses to do it.
Because most people haven't been to the doc yet until early 2nd tri or late 1st tri. And the bottom of my post does happen to say she may have already done her research.
I'd also like to note....if this post IS about Blair, that Blair was nearly out of the 1st trimester with a prior pregnancy, so she HAS has time to contemplate her birthing decisions.
People underwent surgery and dental procedures unmedicated for centuries, too. I have no desire to experience that. Although, I won't get an epi with this one and didn't with my 2nd, it's because of a prior experience with an epi and not because of any dream of labor being this beautiful, natural, fantastic thing.
So the ladies First Tri got hold of this post...just wait for the onslaught from them!! And, yes, I never entertained the idea of NOT having an epidural. The only way this child will be born naturally is in a broken elevator (god forbid)! I am the biggest wussie ever when it comes to pain and hospitals. Sue me. And, yeah, your breast feeding, co-sleeping, working mom badge...I mean really? How did you decide that you were better than everyone else?
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Will it shock her out of her panties if I say I'm FFing because I had my breasts chopped off a year ago? Or is it too early for me to make that decision...?
Will it shock her out of her panties if I say I'm FFing because I had my breasts chopped off a year ago? Or is it too early for me to make that decision...?
It's not too early, Blair, it's just the incorrect decision. Clearly you do not love your child as much as she.
Will it shock her out of her panties if I say I'm FFing because I had my breasts chopped off a year ago?? Or is it too early for me to make that decision...?
It takes a lot to make me laugh at these boards, but THIS made me giggle. ?
I'm one of those women you don't like, who is in their first tri and KNOWS they are going for an epi.
I happen to think that modern medicine saves lives, and that my baby is better off if I'm not stressed and not in pain (due to the epi) than dealing with the physiological side effects of me trying to push a watermelon out of my vagina. ?I'm college educated and have done my research.
I'd throw a mcnugget at you if I could.
You wanna go natural? ?awesome for you. ?Don't pretend for a second that it's better than my decision, and I wouldn't talk about badges when yours brings on my morning sickness. ?
Once again, its all in the tone and yours sucks. I hate your stupid badge. I hate all of them except iris' hilarious ones. Why you want to tell the world what you do I have no clue. Obviously it inspires a confidence in you so good on ya. But it is putting down others while doing the same.
Here's my take: We watch too much baby story, give too many gory details and listen to too many stupid horror stories.
We don't experience labour at all before we decide. Women just assume it will be done. I did. And only during labour did I realize, that's weird. As women, the confidence to deal with labour and the assistance before during and after has been taken away. Its not rocket science. There is no confidence to do what bodies were built to do. No one tells us 'hey you are built for this. here's the information both ways, and make a choice when you go into labour. It hurts. These are your pain options: tub, water, drug a, drug b, drug c, drug d, epi, spinal, tire iron to the head.''
You have to pick f'ing birthing classes about epi or non epi BEFORE you've ever experienced a contraction. That's f'd up. And women say "I KNEW I wanted one." Well yeah. You watched women screaming on a baby story and said "that's not for me. give me the damned drugs!" And that's yours to do but don't tell me its not contrived by a society that thinks you suck at what your body was meant to do.
I had hoped for a natural birth but was prepared to get an epi and do what I had to do. Fact is. My contractions just weren't any different than extractions during a facial. annoying, hurty, but NOTHING to need drugs for. Now my c section recovery is another story...
What you DIDN"T say was choice has been taken away by media and a medical estabilshment that doesn't like women to labour the way they need to labour. They dope you up with pitocin, and cytotec and cervix "ripeners" and then tell you when to push.
We've failed women, end of story. But you don't get to blame women for seeing what they see on TV and saying "NO DAMNED WAY!" That's just stupid.
Will it shock her out of her panties if I say I'm FFing because I had my breasts chopped off a year ago? Or is it too early for me to make that decision...?
well, aren't you just so selfish going ahead and deciding to feed your child poison in the first tri!
FFS, what if she's one of the ladies who requires a c-section (for any number of reasons)? Who are you to make assumptions about anyone other than yourself?
And FWIW, yeah, your siggy annoys the crap out of me too.
I think it's great! But, then again even after having a bad epi experience the second time there is now way I'd ever even consider going natural. No thanks!
you are not a bad mom, I am not a bad mom, we are not bad moms. We make choices, that doesn't make us bad moms.
Have an epi, don't have an epi. whatever. Just research a little. Did your homework. Great. Good for you.
Badges in general. On a board like this it is nice to know where people are coming from. Obviously I do some things that may be of interest to others, so when it comes to a siggy, I shared. I suppose this would relate to getting stabbed in the back. I just don't like it. Opinions people, I assume there will be others that are opposite!
Once again, its all in the tone and yours sucks. I hate your stupid badge. I hate all of them except iris' hilarious ones. Why you want to tell the world what you do I have no clue. Obviously it inspires a confidence in you so good on ya. But it is putting down others while doing the same.
Here's my take: We watch too much baby story, give too many gory details and listen to too many stupid horror stories.
We don't experience labour at all before we decide. Women just assume it will be done. I did. And only during labour did I realize, that's weird. As women, the confidence to deal with labour and the assistance before during and after has been taken away. Its not rocket science. There is no confidence to do what bodies were built to do. No one tells us 'hey you are built for this. here's the information both ways, and make a choice when you go into labour. It hurts. These are your pain options: tub, water, drug a, drug b, drug c, drug d, epi, spinal, tire iron to the head.''
You have to pick f'ing birthing classes about epi or non epi BEFORE you've ever experienced a contraction. That's f'd up. And women say "I KNEW I wanted one." Well yeah. You watched women screaming on a baby story and said "that's not for me. give me the damned drugs!" And that's yours to do but don't tell me its not contrived by a society that thinks you suck at what your body was meant to do.
I had hoped for a natural birth but was prepared to get an epi and do what I had to do. Fact is. My contractions just weren't any different than extractions during a facial. annoying, hurty, but NOTHING to need drugs for. Now my c section recovery is another story...
What you DIDN"T say was choice has been taken away by media and a medical estabilshment that doesn't like women to labour the way they need to labour. They dope you up with pitocin, and cytotec and cervix "ripeners" and then tell you when to push.
We've failed women, end of story. But you don't get to blame women for seeing what they see on TV and saying "NO DAMNED WAY!" That's just stupid.
::Clapping::
VERY well said. And LMFAO at "tire iron to the head!"
And if I ever get pregnant again- I won't even consider a VBAC.
bahahahahahaa.... thats me (minus the schedule C-section.. for now) Meh.. I'm not trying to be a hero. I knew from the beginning that I would be getting a epi and my mind hasn't changed yet, not even for a millisecond.
Mind your own business and let us make our own decisions. Thanks.
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fwiw, the badge itself has little to do with my own personal stance on the subject & more a middle finger in the general direction of smug ass-shats such as yourself that AW out your vag of steel.
May I interest you in a life raft before you drown in your own self importance?
Once again, its all in the tone and yours sucks. I hate your stupid badge. I hate all of them except iris' hilarious ones. Why you want to tell the world what you do I have no clue. Obviously it inspires a confidence in you so good on ya. But it is putting down others while doing the same.
Here's my take: We watch too much baby story, give too many gory details and listen to too many stupid horror stories.
We don't experience labour at all before we decide. Women just assume it will be done. I did. And only during labour did I realize, that's weird. As women, the confidence to deal with labour and the assistance before during and after has been taken away. Its not rocket science. There is no confidence to do what bodies were built to do. No one tells us 'hey you are built for this. here's the information both ways, and make a choice when you go into labour. It hurts. These are your pain options: tub, water, drug a, drug b, drug c, drug d, epi, spinal, tire iron to the head.''
You have to pick f'ing birthing classes about epi or non epi BEFORE you've ever experienced a contraction. That's f'd up. And women say "I KNEW I wanted one." Well yeah. You watched women screaming on a baby story and said "that's not for me. give me the damned drugs!" And that's yours to do but don't tell me its not contrived by a society that thinks you suck at what your body was meant to do.
I had hoped for a natural birth but was prepared to get an epi and do what I had to do. Fact is. My contractions just weren't any different than extractions during a facial. annoying, hurty, but NOTHING to need drugs for. Now my c section recovery is another story...
What you DIDN"T say was choice has been taken away by media and a medical estabilshment that doesn't like women to labour the way they need to labour. They dope you up with pitocin, and cytotec and cervix "ripeners" and then tell you when to push.
We've failed women, end of story. But you don't get to blame women for seeing what they see on TV and saying "NO DAMNED WAY!" That's just stupid.
My choice is not due to what any establishment has told me. I simply don't see why I should do it au natural just because people did it without before there was the golden epi. Awesome. People used to get their teeth pulled without Novocaine, but I'll be damned if a dentist gets near me with the drill and no needle to go along with it.
W. To each their own. No reason to preach it one way or another.
ok, I just saw this on 1st Tri so this badge is new to me.
But really? on 1st tri you aren't exploring all your options? Sorry, it just bugs me when some folks just scream epi before even looking at going naturally.
I went natural but ended up with an epi to fix my tear(although looking back, totally unneccessary). I would go natural again after having the epi.
I know there are circumstances that call for an epi, and it is a personal choice yada yada.. but this badge just really bugs me!
Shut up. You're annoying and I wish you would go away. You have a lot of nerve judging someone on wanting an epi.
On the flip side they can think (and probably do) that going natural in this day and age with modern medicine is unnecessary. This is really a "to each their own" type thing.
Modern medicine? Yes, very helpful for many circumstances, but it doesn't need to be an automatic thing. Women can do this naturally, we have done it for centuries, childbirth doesn't need to be a medical, scary thing. Yes, there are options, that is great but I just say look into some other options.
My point is not everyone has the same viewpoint as you on this subject. You wanted to go natural, great - more power to you, BUT that doesn't mean everyone else wants to or should want to. It's a personal decision.
I agree with all of these points. It's absolutely a personal decision and women can, do, and should be able to do whatever they want. Nothing wrong with getting an epi.
That being said, I think being fully informed is also important. I wish that women in general were more fully informed about the pros and cons of all kinds of approaches to childbirth - drug-free, epis, narcotics, c-sections, everything. Then women in general would be better equipped to make their own decisions.
I don't care if women get epis or have 47 badges in their siggies saying they want an epi. And I have no way of knowing whether that particular poster did fully inform herself or not. My main point is that I hope she (and every other woman who possibly could) did. Making an informed choice is always better than making an uninformed choice.
Women can do this naturally, we have done it for centuries, childbirth doesn't need to be a medical, scary thing.
I feel the same way, and I very much want a natural birth. However, other women have no desire for this, and there's nothing wrong with that. I see no problem with them wanting to experience as little pain as possible. Just because I've chosen one way of experiencing childbirth doesn't mean that anyone who chooses to do it differently is wrong. Different things are right for different people, and we should all pursue the type of birth we each want.
And I never "explored my options". I don't want an epidural. Period. Just like lots of women know that they definitely want one. Who cares? It's not like they're forcing you to get one too.
My choice is not due to what any establishment has told me. I simply don't see why I should do it au natural just because people did it without before there was the golden epi. Awesome. People used to get their teeth pulled without Novocaine, but I'll be damned if a dentist gets near me with the drill and no needle to go along with it.
W. To each their own. No reason to preach it one way or another.
Re: Stab me in the back??? really?
Thou shall look at thou own annoying badge before passing judgement. The end.
And to the person who made the cookie comment, I would just like to say that for myself, having natural childbirth had nothing to with wanting a trophy or a pat on the back. It was a decision that I made based on several factors, doing my research and my previous birthing experience.
It was thrown around a lot on the tri boards when I was pg that moms who give birth w/o meds are only looking for props or bragging rights. That may be true for some, but definitely not so for me....and it bothers me when people say this.
I decided 1st ttr that I was having an epi. I looked at the options and that was my decision, Why would it bother you in the least what another women chooses to do?? How could you possibly know iwhether or not she has researched her decision?
I had contractions that were 7 min or less apart for 3 days, non-stop. I didn't sleep, eat or drink anything during this time, so I didn't think I would even have the strength or energy to go through childbirth. Just b/c it was the right choice for you, doesn't mean another choice is wrong. Stop being so judgemental!!!
Well I didnt offer you a cookie, did I? You dont seem to be asking for one.
Because most people haven't been to the doc yet until early 2nd tri or late 1st tri. And the bottom of my post does happen to say she may have already done her research.
I'd also like to note....if this post IS about Blair, that Blair was nearly out of the 1st trimester with a prior pregnancy, so she HAS has time to contemplate her birthing decisions.
People underwent surgery and dental procedures unmedicated for centuries, too. I have no desire to experience that. Although, I won't get an epi with this one and didn't with my 2nd, it's because of a prior experience with an epi and not because of any dream of labor being this beautiful, natural, fantastic thing.
I'm not a fan of the epi, myself.
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I heard rumor that I'm a bad mom already?? lolz.
Uhm, being the creator of said badge...you've officially hurt my feelings.
Wait...
...I don't care.
I had decided that I wanted an epidural the day I found out what it was back in middle school. YEARS before I was pregnant or even sexually active.
And this affects anyone else how...?
ah, there you are!
Idk...I find your badge slightly offensive, I mean gee, you're superwoman and everything. You did all that and you work too? Get out of town!
I feel incompetent posting in this thread..
::i'm not worthy, i'm not worthy::
Will it shock her out of her panties if I say I'm FFing because I had my breasts chopped off a year ago? Or is it too early for me to make that decision...?
It's not too early, Blair, it's just the incorrect decision. Clearly you do not love your child as much as she.
It takes a lot to make me laugh at these boards, but THIS made me giggle. ?
I'm one of those women you don't like, who is in their first tri and KNOWS they are going for an epi.
I happen to think that modern medicine saves lives, and that my baby is better off if I'm not stressed and not in pain (due to the epi) than dealing with the physiological side effects of me trying to push a watermelon out of my vagina. ?I'm college educated and have done my research.
I'd throw a mcnugget at you if I could.
You wanna go natural? ?awesome for you. ?Don't pretend for a second that it's better than my decision, and I wouldn't talk about badges when yours brings on my morning sickness. ?
You beat me to it!
can you make the OP a "110%" badge? she can add it to her "i do it better than YOU" badge
Once again, its all in the tone and yours sucks. I hate your stupid badge. I hate all of them except iris' hilarious ones. Why you want to tell the world what you do I have no clue. Obviously it inspires a confidence in you so good on ya. But it is putting down others while doing the same.
Here's my take: We watch too much baby story, give too many gory details and listen to too many stupid horror stories.
We don't experience labour at all before we decide. Women just assume it will be done. I did. And only during labour did I realize, that's weird. As women, the confidence to deal with labour and the assistance before during and after has been taken away. Its not rocket science. There is no confidence to do what bodies were built to do. No one tells us 'hey you are built for this. here's the information both ways, and make a choice when you go into labour. It hurts. These are your pain options: tub, water, drug a, drug b, drug c, drug d, epi, spinal, tire iron to the head.''
You have to pick f'ing birthing classes about epi or non epi BEFORE you've ever experienced a contraction. That's f'd up. And women say "I KNEW I wanted one." Well yeah. You watched women screaming on a baby story and said "that's not for me. give me the damned drugs!" And that's yours to do but don't tell me its not contrived by a society that thinks you suck at what your body was meant to do.
I had hoped for a natural birth but was prepared to get an epi and do what I had to do. Fact is. My contractions just weren't any different than extractions during a facial. annoying, hurty, but NOTHING to need drugs for. Now my c section recovery is another story...
What you DIDN"T say was choice has been taken away by media and a medical estabilshment that doesn't like women to labour the way they need to labour. They dope you up with pitocin, and cytotec and cervix "ripeners" and then tell you when to push.
We've failed women, end of story. But you don't get to blame women for seeing what they see on TV and saying "NO DAMNED WAY!" That's just stupid.
Me too! And I think the badge is funny. I like that people have a sense of humor about these things
well, aren't you just so selfish going ahead and deciding to feed your child poison in the first tri!
FFS, what if she's one of the ladies who requires a c-section (for any number of reasons)? Who are you to make assumptions about anyone other than yourself?
And FWIW, yeah, your siggy annoys the crap out of me too.
damnation, I would really love to stay & play while simultaneously AWing out Jennabee's genius, but my client is here.
It is an unfortunate twist of events, no?
Hmmm...then I'd have to devote time to her existence....
whew.. what a day huh?
so a couple things.
The badge bugs me, not the people.
you are not a bad mom, I am not a bad mom, we are not bad moms. We make choices, that doesn't make us bad moms.
Have an epi, don't have an epi. whatever. Just research a little. Did your homework. Great. Good for you.
Badges in general. On a board like this it is nice to know where people are coming from. Obviously I do some things that may be of interest to others, so when it comes to a siggy, I shared. I suppose this would relate to getting stabbed in the back. I just don't like it. Opinions people, I assume there will be others that are opposite!
whew... ok on with your lives and your choices...
::Clapping::
VERY well said. And LMFAO at "tire iron to the head!"
bahahahahahaa.... thats me (minus the schedule C-section.. for now)
Meh.. I'm not trying to be a hero. I knew from the beginning that I would be getting a epi and my mind hasn't changed yet, not even for a millisecond.
Mind your own business and let us make our own decisions. Thanks.
fwiw, the badge itself has little to do with my own personal stance on the subject & more a middle finger in the general direction of smug ass-shats such as yourself that AW out your vag of steel.
May I interest you in a life raft before you drown in your own self importance?
mustangsally~ I just wanted to clear the air about the cookie/trophy/bragging rights thing because it bugs me. It wasn't a jab at you.
lanie~ have I told you lately that I love you?
My choice is not due to what any establishment has told me. I simply don't see why I should do it au natural just because people did it without before there was the golden epi. Awesome. People used to get their teeth pulled without Novocaine, but I'll be damned if a dentist gets near me with the drill and no needle to go along with it.
W. To each their own. No reason to preach it one way or another.
Shut up. You're annoying and I wish you would go away. You have a lot of nerve judging someone on wanting an epi.
High-effing-five to you. Both my kids got/are getting a womb with a view.
I agree with all of these points. It's absolutely a personal decision and women can, do, and should be able to do whatever they want. Nothing wrong with getting an epi.
That being said, I think being fully informed is also important. I wish that women in general were more fully informed about the pros and cons of all kinds of approaches to childbirth - drug-free, epis, narcotics, c-sections, everything. Then women in general would be better equipped to make their own decisions.
I don't care if women get epis or have 47 badges in their siggies saying they want an epi. And I have no way of knowing whether that particular poster did fully inform herself or not. My main point is that I hope she (and every other woman who possibly could) did. Making an informed choice is always better than making an uninformed choice.
I feel the same way, and I very much want a natural birth. However, other women have no desire for this, and there's nothing wrong with that. I see no problem with them wanting to experience as little pain as possible. Just because I've chosen one way of experiencing childbirth doesn't mean that anyone who chooses to do it differently is wrong. Different things are right for different people, and we should all pursue the type of birth we each want.
And I never "explored my options". I don't want an epidural. Period. Just like lots of women know that they definitely want one. Who cares? It's not like they're forcing you to get one too.
W. To each their own. No reason to preach it one way or another.
LOL.