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IF Testing & Treatment w/o 4.26


*Saw this over the weekend and immediately thought of all of you. I felt like it must be a good omen for at least one of us here.💕

This is a place for those of us who have already started TTC, but have started infertility testing and/or treatments. You can express your thoughts, feelings, and frustrations on infertility. TTC can be a long journey naturally, then add in the difficulties associated with infertility, and it becomes a whole new ball game. The road to infertility can be lonely, frustrating, and complicated, so let's make this a place where we can vent, ask questions, and support one another. Feel free to resurrect this thread at any point in the week if you have something to say. Treat this as an ongoing conversation.

Diagnosis (if you've been):  

Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  

What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?):  

How are things going?:  

Any questions?:

GTKY: Do you have any good luck charms, things you interpret as good omens, or good luck rituals? 

bows22kiki047BusinessWifeacleverusernamechichiphinLisa3379optimistgardener
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  • And wow... I just caught up on all of yesterday’s activity on the IF thread. I just have missed it because I was enthralled with the new doggo! Forgive me. So tags from that.
     
    @keikilove I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: you’re my fertility hero. And that’s now been expanded to medical self-advocate hero. By comparison, our IF provider issues have been minor but I’m not one to distrust my gut feeling and that’s why I’ve been switching docs like underwear. No one really felt like they cared enough until Dr. Aimee.

    @BusinessWife holy cannoli about your experience as a kid being sick. Good for your mom for pushing and pushing and pushing!

    @optimistgardener agree with others about not giving yourself a hard time over a bit of alcohol. That likely helped you enjoy life more fully / keep stress levels lower and THAT is likely more important than a few drinks here and there.



    TTC History

    Me: 37, MH: 36 | Met 02/09 | Started Dating 08/17 | Married 02/02/2020
    TTC #1 since 02/2020
    2009 | Dx PCOS; likely a misdiagnosis
    07/14/20 | Dx Hashimoto's Thyroditis
    07/21/20 | 1st RE appointment
    07/2120 - 08/20/20 | so much testing; no signs of PCOS
    08/20/20 | Dx Unexplained; AMA
    09/08/20 | IUI #1 Clomid + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    09/30/20 | Urology consult; more testing required
    10/2020 | Clomid + OPK + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    10/26/2020 | Starting 2nd IUI cycle, with Letrazole and with a new RE / different clinic
    11/03/2020 | New Dx "poor egg quality"; IUI cancelled in favor of Trigger + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    11/26/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Menopur) + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    12/20/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Gonal-F) + Trigger | IUI Cancelled due to thin lining; TI only | BFN
    01/14/2021 | Combo IUI (Letrazole + Menopur) + Trigger | BFN
    02/06/2021 | Switched to a new RE (TEW) ; trying naturally until we conclude more additional testing 
    03/14/2021 | Hybrid + Double IUI, with Zymot (Letrazole, Gonal-F) + Trigger + Endometrin | Ovulated 4 mature eggs but still a BFN ☹️
    04/07/2021 | Natural cycle while we regroup | BFN
    04/09/2021 | Employer announces fertility benefits starting 05/01/2021! | Search for a new doctor who accepts insurance
    05/10/2021 | New RE consult & plan for IVF
    05/13/2021 | mid-luteal IVF cycle #1 


    BusinessWifekeikiloveoptimistgardenerchgilmore
  • @kiki047 we picked up our dog on Saturday! I posted in the randoms thread with her photo. 

    TTC History

    Me: 37, MH: 36 | Met 02/09 | Started Dating 08/17 | Married 02/02/2020
    TTC #1 since 02/2020
    2009 | Dx PCOS; likely a misdiagnosis
    07/14/20 | Dx Hashimoto's Thyroditis
    07/21/20 | 1st RE appointment
    07/2120 - 08/20/20 | so much testing; no signs of PCOS
    08/20/20 | Dx Unexplained; AMA
    09/08/20 | IUI #1 Clomid + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    09/30/20 | Urology consult; more testing required
    10/2020 | Clomid + OPK + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    10/26/2020 | Starting 2nd IUI cycle, with Letrazole and with a new RE / different clinic
    11/03/2020 | New Dx "poor egg quality"; IUI cancelled in favor of Trigger + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    11/26/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Menopur) + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    12/20/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Gonal-F) + Trigger | IUI Cancelled due to thin lining; TI only | BFN
    01/14/2021 | Combo IUI (Letrazole + Menopur) + Trigger | BFN
    02/06/2021 | Switched to a new RE (TEW) ; trying naturally until we conclude more additional testing 
    03/14/2021 | Hybrid + Double IUI, with Zymot (Letrazole, Gonal-F) + Trigger + Endometrin | Ovulated 4 mature eggs but still a BFN ☹️
    04/07/2021 | Natural cycle while we regroup | BFN
    04/09/2021 | Employer announces fertility benefits starting 05/01/2021! | Search for a new doctor who accepts insurance
    05/10/2021 | New RE consult & plan for IVF
    05/13/2021 | mid-luteal IVF cycle #1 


    kiki047BusinessWifechgilmorebows22
  • kiki047kiki047 member
    @acleverusername *squeeee* she's sooooo cute!! Congrats!! I hope she's settling in nicely. 

    Me: 34  MH: 37, TTC since Dec 2017

    Aug '18: PCOS dx

    Nov '18: MH SA - 19mil

    Dec '18-Mar '19: Letrozole + TI - all BFN

    Apr '19: Letrozole + TI, - BFN.  Repeat SA (27mil) & DNA fragmentation test (17%)

    Aug '19: Letrozole + HCG trigger + IUI + prog supp - BFN (MH: 16mil)

    Sep '19: 2nd IUI, same protocol - BFN (MH: 16mil) 

    Dec '19: IVF #1 w/ICSI, PGT. 5 retrieved, 4 fertilized, 3 blasts, 3 PGT-A normal.

    Mar '20: FET #1, perfect 5AA blast transferred. BFN.

    Sept '20: FET #2, 5BB tsf. 9/18/20 BFP!! EDD: 5/27/21. MMC 11w                                                  

    Feb ‘21: FET #3, last 6BB blast transferred. BFP, EDD 11/2/21. MC 5w3d. 

    May '21: IVF #2 w/ICSI, PGT. 8R, 7M, 6F, 6 blasts - 3AB, 3AB, 3BB, 4BB, 5BB, 6BA. Fresh tsf 5/13/21 - BFN. 

    June '21: PGT-A results = 3 abnormal, 1 low level mosaic. Referred to new REI for a new IVF cycle


    acleverusernameBusinessWifebows22
  • Diagnosis (if you've been):  Unexplained/old

    Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  TWW

    What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?):  Beta test Wednesday

    How are things going?:  Going well. I'm getting REALLY annoyed with the Endometrin three times a day. When I heard from my doctor that I'd be doing that instead of the progesterone injections, I was stoked. He told me that some women prefer the injections over it, and I was very surprised by that. Two weeks in, I'd still pick the suppositories, but I can kinda see the injection ladies' point. This sucks, and TMI, I'm getting itchy with it. I'm more irritable with it for sure. 

    Any questions?: nope

    GTKY: Do you have any good luck charms, things you interpret as good omens, or good luck rituals?  Not really! Once during the Stanley Cup finals I wore the same jersey during every game, and the Kings did win the Cup that year, but I'm sure I had nothing to do with that, haha. 







    kiki047acleverusernameBusinessWifebows22
  • @kiki047 @optimistgardener looking back at my calendars, I always started lupron before my last BCPs and there was always a withdrawal bleed.
    Me: 32 DH:33 | Together since 2007 | Married July 2016

    *TW*
    TTC #1 since 7/2017
    Dx: unexplained, low morph (1%), likely gluten and/or dairy intolerance, immune issues??
    IUI #1-3 | all BFN
    IVF #1 | 6/11/19 | 24R, 17M, 15F, 6B, PGT-A tested - 5 normal, 3 girls & 2 boys
    FET #1 | 9/10/19 | BFN "I know you, but we've never met. I'm with you, but I don't know your name"
    Loss, Receptiva, & ERA testing | all normal/negative, recommended going on gluten and dairy free diet for next FET
    FET #2 | 3/31/20 | Opted to cancelled due to pandemic, continued diet and tried naturally over the summer
    2nd Opinion with another RE | 8/20/20Not immune to measles (received 1 dose); SA results similar to 2 years ago (with better count), decide on 9/16/20 to move forward with FET #2 redo at start of next cycle
    Surprise natural BFP! | 9/22/20 | MC 10/23/20 at 8 weeks
    TTCAL naturally starting 11/22/20
    optimistgardenerBusinessWifekiki047
  • Ooh that sounds awesome! @acleverusername Glad you got so much out of it!



    Question for all my nerdy frans...
    Anyone have actual data on acupuncture, specifically laser acupuncture prior to / immediately after transfer?  I only did it once with my first (which failed) so I wasn't interested in shelling out the extra couple hundies after that, but I'm considering it this time ...
    Me: 38 | DH: 44 ~ TTC Our First May 2015 thru Dec 2017
    A Brief Summary of Our Infertility Journey
    5/16 - Began Creighton Method CM Tracking / Napro Fertility Medicine | Progesterone + various abx cycles - all BFNs
    8/16 - SHG: ute good, at least one tube open | 10/16 - MFI Azoo dx confirmed. No known genetic cause. Vas deferens absent.
    3/17 - DH started Clomid to prepare for MESA/TESE | 4/17 - Initial RE Consult for me | 7/17 - Successful retrieval for DH!
    9/17 - Two BTB IVFs  | 10/17 - Polypectomy  |  11/17 - 1st FET ended in CP | 12/17 - 2nd FET ... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 09/09/18
    Our incredible miracle baby is finally here!

    Our Journey Trying for Siblings, still a work in progress...
    9/19 - 1st natural FET cycle, BFN | 10/19 - 2nd medicated FET cycle, cancelled
    11/19 - 3rd natural FET cycle, BFN  | 12/19 - 4th natural FET cycle... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 08/21/20
    Our second little miracle arrived safely via VBAC!

    Our last two natural FET cycles, TTC our Third, (Already in progress)...
    3/21 - SHG and CD3 bloodwork all clear, started Synthroid, Ready to Transfer!
    4/21 - Penultimate FET, BFN | 5/21 - Final FET ... TBD

  • BusinessWifeBusinessWife member
    edited April 27
    I am loving all these rainbows, btw... 🌈🌈 Thank you both for sharing, @keikilove @optimistgardener


    Diagnosis (if you've been):  Azoospermia

    Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  TWW

    What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?):  "Natural" FET

    How are things going?:  Okay!

    Any questions?:. See above lol

    GTKY:  Not really, but there was a little wooden baby teether - first baby toy I ever purchased while we were first waiting - I think I've brought with me to all my transfers.  I don't really even know why.

    ETA I always like seeing bluejays, cardinals, bluebirds, goldfinches, hummingbirds... I always think they are a good sign that people who have passed on are looking out for us.


    Me: 38 | DH: 44 ~ TTC Our First May 2015 thru Dec 2017
    A Brief Summary of Our Infertility Journey
    5/16 - Began Creighton Method CM Tracking / Napro Fertility Medicine | Progesterone + various abx cycles - all BFNs
    8/16 - SHG: ute good, at least one tube open | 10/16 - MFI Azoo dx confirmed. No known genetic cause. Vas deferens absent.
    3/17 - DH started Clomid to prepare for MESA/TESE | 4/17 - Initial RE Consult for me | 7/17 - Successful retrieval for DH!
    9/17 - Two BTB IVFs  | 10/17 - Polypectomy  |  11/17 - 1st FET ended in CP | 12/17 - 2nd FET ... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 09/09/18
    Our incredible miracle baby is finally here!

    Our Journey Trying for Siblings, still a work in progress...
    9/19 - 1st natural FET cycle, BFN | 10/19 - 2nd medicated FET cycle, cancelled
    11/19 - 3rd natural FET cycle, BFN  | 12/19 - 4th natural FET cycle... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 08/21/20
    Our second little miracle arrived safely via VBAC!

    Our last two natural FET cycles, TTC our Third, (Already in progress)...
    3/21 - SHG and CD3 bloodwork all clear, started Synthroid, Ready to Transfer!
    4/21 - Penultimate FET, BFN | 5/21 - Final FET ... TBD

    keikiloveoptimistgardeneracleverusernamebows22
  • bumblebee0210bumblebee0210 member
    edited April 27
    @optimistgardener First, I LOLed at your "I swear there is a second rainbow!" Amazing comedy. Second, I was not put on doxy, but if you haven't been on if before-- word of caution, take it with food! The first time I was on it (for malaria prophylaxis), mine said to take on an empty stomach, but that is terrible advice and will make you vomit. The Indian doctor I saw was like "duh, everyone knows to take doxy with food"

    @BusinessWife. Laser acupuncture???????

    @acleverusername That's great that the class was so good! And interesting about the genetic stuff.

    @kiki047 Good luck starting again! It must seem so exhausting but at least you are a vet now and know what to expect. 

    @lisa3379 All the fingers crossed!



    Diagnosis (if you've been):  
    RPL, DOR

    Status (WTO/TWW/TTA):  WFAF between ERs

    What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?):  Going straight from ER#2 to ER#3

    How are things going?: Pretty good. I'm consistently amazed at my capacity to get my hopes up in this process (not just IVF but TTC in general). When we got 10 eggs last cycle I was immediately like "maybe we will get 8 blasts!". I am grateful that this process seems to be working, and that we have one genetically normal embryo already, and hopefully more soon. I am just impatient. 

    Any questions?: 

    GTKY: Do you have any good luck charms, things you interpret as good omens, or good luck rituals? Not really-- I'm very superstitious in some ways, but not in the physical-object sort of way. 

    Edited: I mistakenly posted for a sec leaving in @optimistgardener's answer to the last question
    TTC History
    TTC #1 Sep 2017-Sep 2018 
    BFP 11/30/2017 | MMC 12/31/2017
    BFP 6/22/2018 | CP 6/27/2018
    BFP 10/5/2018 | EDD 6/14/2019
    Baby girl born 6/19/19

    TTC #2 Since May 2020
    BFP 7/18/2020 | MonoDi Twins | MMC 9/10/2020
    BFP 11/7/2020 | CP 11/9/2020
    RE Consult January 2021 | Dx "borderline DOR"/RPL
    IVF with PGT:
    ER #1 3/27/2021 7R | 5M | 3F | 2B | 1 PGT-A Normal, 1 low-level mosaic
    ER #2 4/22/2021 10R | 7M | 3F | 2B | 0 normal, 2 aneuploid
    ER #3 5/2021


    BusinessWifeacleverusernamekiki047bows22
  • @keikilove your rainbow photo is gorgeous. That field and those clouds!
    @bumblebee0210 oh yeah, doxy is gnarly. Like you I first took it as malaria prophylaxis (a multi-month trip that I took to India). In the many times I have returned to India since then, I have never used doxy again for that purpose. It's just too rough on everything. I shudder to think what what much time on an oral antibiotic did to my gut biome.
    I am doing this alone. Had my left ovary and fallopian tube removed due to cyst/necrosis just after birth. Right ovary and fallopian tube still purport to function.
    Began TTC in Aug '18 @ age 36
    5 or 6 (or 7?!) cycles using frozen donor sperm, ICI (turkey baster method). All BFN
    Mar-Jun '19 IUIs, all BFN
    Began process of referral for RE in spring of '19, blood tests confirm low AMH (.54) but all else is good.
    May '19 HSG shows open tube, but ultrasound suggests fibroids
    MRI in June '19 confirms two large fibroids, one growing through wall of uterus
    In June '19 I move from California to Oregon, disrupting my insurance, referrals, etc. 5 months spent piecing it all back together.
    Nov. '19 attempted myomectomy (vaginal approach) failed. 2nd surgery using laparoscopic method in Jan '20 is successful.
    April '20 --> June '20, natural IUIs, all BFN.
    July? saline ultrasound and bubble test demonstrate open tube
    July '20 clomid cycle cancelled for thin lining
    Aug-Oct, 3 femara cycles, all BFN
    Get an RE referral. While waiting to set up an appointment Nov-Jan, I continue with natural cycles and ICI, using a known donor, BFN...
    Jan '21 [fertility clinic], more bloodwork, AMH is worse (.36) but other numbers are fine-ish. laparoscopy all good
    Feb '21, injectables (menopur, novarel), iui, BFN (doc said the frozen donor sperm sample had the "best numbers she'd ever seen!")
    Mar '21, injectables, iui cancelled due to lack of follicles.
    May '21, first IVF round cancelled due to cyst.
    Currently planning for a July IVF cycle
    BusinessWife
  • @Lisa3379 I would have to say what I know about, it is never the better option. Lol. Good luck with your beta on Wed!!! I can’t believe that day is already here. 

    @optimistgardener Like everyone else, I’m doubled over laughing about “you see it, right?!” comment. Teehee. I have not seen ppl on here mention doxy for an IVF protocol. I’ve sometimes seen it as recommended for HSG. Interesting though... I’ll have to see what others say. Hooray for your dog getting her cone of shame off, and for the legal matter winding down just in time for IVF. Everything is falling into place which is a sign from the universe!

    @laura-kay enjoy all the Holy Week festivities; I’m hoping to get established with a parish once the pandemic winds down as I miss this time of year so much. Glad to hear you have next steps lined up. 

    @BusinessWife I truly have never even heard of laser acupuncture. That sounds interesting. Would that be in lieu of, or in addition to regular acupuncture? I like your point about birds visiting / singing their happy song as a sign that those who’ve passed are encouraging you on from above. 🙏 

    @bumblebee0210 I think the optimism is both your personality (in general, not just vis-a-vis TTC) and a human trait. We are resilient and one of the things that makes us resilient is hope. You get your Day 5 update today? Or are you waiting until tomorrow to get the “bulk” update?

    TTC History

    Me: 37, MH: 36 | Met 02/09 | Started Dating 08/17 | Married 02/02/2020
    TTC #1 since 02/2020
    2009 | Dx PCOS; likely a misdiagnosis
    07/14/20 | Dx Hashimoto's Thyroditis
    07/21/20 | 1st RE appointment
    07/2120 - 08/20/20 | so much testing; no signs of PCOS
    08/20/20 | Dx Unexplained; AMA
    09/08/20 | IUI #1 Clomid + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    09/30/20 | Urology consult; more testing required
    10/2020 | Clomid + OPK + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    10/26/2020 | Starting 2nd IUI cycle, with Letrazole and with a new RE / different clinic
    11/03/2020 | New Dx "poor egg quality"; IUI cancelled in favor of Trigger + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    11/26/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Menopur) + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    12/20/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Gonal-F) + Trigger | IUI Cancelled due to thin lining; TI only | BFN
    01/14/2021 | Combo IUI (Letrazole + Menopur) + Trigger | BFN
    02/06/2021 | Switched to a new RE (TEW) ; trying naturally until we conclude more additional testing 
    03/14/2021 | Hybrid + Double IUI, with Zymot (Letrazole, Gonal-F) + Trigger + Endometrin | Ovulated 4 mature eggs but still a BFN ☹️
    04/07/2021 | Natural cycle while we regroup | BFN
    04/09/2021 | Employer announces fertility benefits starting 05/01/2021! | Search for a new doctor who accepts insurance
    05/10/2021 | New RE consult & plan for IVF
    05/13/2021 | mid-luteal IVF cycle #1 


    BusinessWife
  • BusinessWifeBusinessWife member
    edited April 27
    @bumblebee0210 @optimistgardener lol "it's totally obvious to me looking at it in person, just the camera's not picking it up great!" 🙃 J/k I can actually see it even in the first pic, too.  That second pic is so picturesque!

    Re: laser acupuncture Apparently my clinic did a study a while back (maybe more than one?) that showed it increased implantation rates.  🤷  So they offer it before and after every transfer, while you're waiting basically.  It's by no means a magic bullet, obv, and it's oop, so.  But I feel like I need to relax lately so I may just go for it... I have time to decide.

    https://mifertility.com/laser-acupuncture/

    ETA @acleverusername my understanding is they use the same points as traditional acupuncture, but stimulate them with a fricking LASER BEAM. 🤣
    Me: 38 | DH: 44 ~ TTC Our First May 2015 thru Dec 2017
    A Brief Summary of Our Infertility Journey
    5/16 - Began Creighton Method CM Tracking / Napro Fertility Medicine | Progesterone + various abx cycles - all BFNs
    8/16 - SHG: ute good, at least one tube open | 10/16 - MFI Azoo dx confirmed. No known genetic cause. Vas deferens absent.
    3/17 - DH started Clomid to prepare for MESA/TESE | 4/17 - Initial RE Consult for me | 7/17 - Successful retrieval for DH!
    9/17 - Two BTB IVFs  | 10/17 - Polypectomy  |  11/17 - 1st FET ended in CP | 12/17 - 2nd FET ... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 09/09/18
    Our incredible miracle baby is finally here!

    Our Journey Trying for Siblings, still a work in progress...
    9/19 - 1st natural FET cycle, BFN | 10/19 - 2nd medicated FET cycle, cancelled
    11/19 - 3rd natural FET cycle, BFN  | 12/19 - 4th natural FET cycle... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 08/21/20
    Our second little miracle arrived safely via VBAC!

    Our last two natural FET cycles, TTC our Third, (Already in progress)...
    3/21 - SHG and CD3 bloodwork all clear, started Synthroid, Ready to Transfer!
    4/21 - Penultimate FET, BFN | 5/21 - Final FET ... TBD

    acleverusernameoptimistgardener
  • @bumblebee0210 that's great! FWIW, my RE, basically doesn't believe 5AA graded embryos exist 🤷‍♀️ I took that to mean they grade pretty aggressively so a 5BB embryo is still a really good grade! And also FWIW, I've seen ladies over on the IF board transfer BC rated embryos and end up KU so you just never know.
    Me: 32 DH:33 | Together since 2007 | Married July 2016

    *TW*
    TTC #1 since 7/2017
    Dx: unexplained, low morph (1%), likely gluten and/or dairy intolerance, immune issues??
    IUI #1-3 | all BFN
    IVF #1 | 6/11/19 | 24R, 17M, 15F, 6B, PGT-A tested - 5 normal, 3 girls & 2 boys
    FET #1 | 9/10/19 | BFN "I know you, but we've never met. I'm with you, but I don't know your name"
    Loss, Receptiva, & ERA testing | all normal/negative, recommended going on gluten and dairy free diet for next FET
    FET #2 | 3/31/20 | Opted to cancelled due to pandemic, continued diet and tried naturally over the summer
    2nd Opinion with another RE | 8/20/20Not immune to measles (received 1 dose); SA results similar to 2 years ago (with better count), decide on 9/16/20 to move forward with FET #2 redo at start of next cycle
    Surprise natural BFP! | 9/22/20 | MC 10/23/20 at 8 weeks
    TTCAL naturally starting 11/22/20
    BusinessWifeacleverusernamekeikilove
  • @inthewoods23. Yeah I think the grading is sort of approximate at best, and since our last two were 3BC and then 5AB and 5BA the next day, I think it might be more about when you catch them in their growth trajectory. I mean obviously more growth is better, but I'm trying not to focus too much on it. 
    TTC History
    TTC #1 Sep 2017-Sep 2018 
    BFP 11/30/2017 | MMC 12/31/2017
    BFP 6/22/2018 | CP 6/27/2018
    BFP 10/5/2018 | EDD 6/14/2019
    Baby girl born 6/19/19

    TTC #2 Since May 2020
    BFP 7/18/2020 | MonoDi Twins | MMC 9/10/2020
    BFP 11/7/2020 | CP 11/9/2020
    RE Consult January 2021 | Dx "borderline DOR"/RPL
    IVF with PGT:
    ER #1 3/27/2021 7R | 5M | 3F | 2B | 1 PGT-A Normal, 1 low-level mosaic
    ER #2 4/22/2021 10R | 7M | 3F | 2B | 0 normal, 2 aneuploid
    ER #3 5/2021


    optimistgardenerjlbaker08
  • @optimistgardener grading between clinics isn't even consistent. It's kind of up to the embryologist what they'd grade it. And some places don't even follow the typical grading nomenclature. Someone here once had a 7AA graded embryo??
    Me: 32 DH:33 | Together since 2007 | Married July 2016

    *TW*
    TTC #1 since 7/2017
    Dx: unexplained, low morph (1%), likely gluten and/or dairy intolerance, immune issues??
    IUI #1-3 | all BFN
    IVF #1 | 6/11/19 | 24R, 17M, 15F, 6B, PGT-A tested - 5 normal, 3 girls & 2 boys
    FET #1 | 9/10/19 | BFN "I know you, but we've never met. I'm with you, but I don't know your name"
    Loss, Receptiva, & ERA testing | all normal/negative, recommended going on gluten and dairy free diet for next FET
    FET #2 | 3/31/20 | Opted to cancelled due to pandemic, continued diet and tried naturally over the summer
    2nd Opinion with another RE | 8/20/20Not immune to measles (received 1 dose); SA results similar to 2 years ago (with better count), decide on 9/16/20 to move forward with FET #2 redo at start of next cycle
    Surprise natural BFP! | 9/22/20 | MC 10/23/20 at 8 weeks
    TTCAL naturally starting 11/22/20
    bumblebee0210optimistgardeneracleverusernamekeikilove
  • @bumblebee0210 oh yeah, I can see that. I think it's very interesting how some people end up with very different grades of embryos. Perhaps that's more common with standard IVF compared to ICSI (which is what we had to do). All of our embryos were in the 5BB range (5B+B+, 5B+B, 5BB+, 5BB).
    Me: 32 DH:33 | Together since 2007 | Married July 2016

    *TW*
    TTC #1 since 7/2017
    Dx: unexplained, low morph (1%), likely gluten and/or dairy intolerance, immune issues??
    IUI #1-3 | all BFN
    IVF #1 | 6/11/19 | 24R, 17M, 15F, 6B, PGT-A tested - 5 normal, 3 girls & 2 boys
    FET #1 | 9/10/19 | BFN "I know you, but we've never met. I'm with you, but I don't know your name"
    Loss, Receptiva, & ERA testing | all normal/negative, recommended going on gluten and dairy free diet for next FET
    FET #2 | 3/31/20 | Opted to cancelled due to pandemic, continued diet and tried naturally over the summer
    2nd Opinion with another RE | 8/20/20Not immune to measles (received 1 dose); SA results similar to 2 years ago (with better count), decide on 9/16/20 to move forward with FET #2 redo at start of next cycle
    Surprise natural BFP! | 9/22/20 | MC 10/23/20 at 8 weeks
    TTCAL naturally starting 11/22/20
    bumblebee0210acleverusername
  • @bumblebee0210 That's great news!  <3







    BusinessWife
  • *tw lc*

    When I was pregnant with my daughter, I was extremely anxious about the first US because in my first pregnancy, we had a slow heartbeat at 7 weeks and then a mmc at 8 weeks. I think her heartbeat at that first US was something like 95 or 100, within the normal range but right at the slow end. I talked to my (wonderful) family med doc and I was like "I get that I didn't fail-- but I feel like I got a C". And she was like "Welcome to parenthood. You are going to get a lot of C's! And some F's!" I found it really helpful, and very true. 


    I know we don't mention pregnancy and parenthood a lot on this board, and for good reason, but I do think that TTC is really an extension of parenthood-- the same worries and hopes for your LOs. And in a weird way, realizing those worries and hopes are never going to go away even once I am pg, baby is born, kid is grown up, etc, makes it sort of easier to bear for me. 

    TTC History
    TTC #1 Sep 2017-Sep 2018 
    BFP 11/30/2017 | MMC 12/31/2017
    BFP 6/22/2018 | CP 6/27/2018
    BFP 10/5/2018 | EDD 6/14/2019
    Baby girl born 6/19/19

    TTC #2 Since May 2020
    BFP 7/18/2020 | MonoDi Twins | MMC 9/10/2020
    BFP 11/7/2020 | CP 11/9/2020
    RE Consult January 2021 | Dx "borderline DOR"/RPL
    IVF with PGT:
    ER #1 3/27/2021 7R | 5M | 3F | 2B | 1 PGT-A Normal, 1 low-level mosaic
    ER #2 4/22/2021 10R | 7M | 3F | 2B | 0 normal, 2 aneuploid
    ER #3 5/2021


    BusinessWifekeikiloveoptimistgardenerlillywonderland
  • On reflection, and on reading @BusinessWife's excellent analogy to tall and short kindergartners and 1st graders, I suppose what I was trying to say is that profs and lab techs with their kinda arbitrary assessment tools (pretty essays, pretty cellular structures) are able to provide one form of measure that very imperfectly gauges "quality." But we/scientists are essentially blind to a whole slew of other factors that contribute to embryonic success.
    I am doing this alone. Had my left ovary and fallopian tube removed due to cyst/necrosis just after birth. Right ovary and fallopian tube still purport to function.
    Began TTC in Aug '18 @ age 36
    5 or 6 (or 7?!) cycles using frozen donor sperm, ICI (turkey baster method). All BFN
    Mar-Jun '19 IUIs, all BFN
    Began process of referral for RE in spring of '19, blood tests confirm low AMH (.54) but all else is good.
    May '19 HSG shows open tube, but ultrasound suggests fibroids
    MRI in June '19 confirms two large fibroids, one growing through wall of uterus
    In June '19 I move from California to Oregon, disrupting my insurance, referrals, etc. 5 months spent piecing it all back together.
    Nov. '19 attempted myomectomy (vaginal approach) failed. 2nd surgery using laparoscopic method in Jan '20 is successful.
    April '20 --> June '20, natural IUIs, all BFN.
    July? saline ultrasound and bubble test demonstrate open tube
    July '20 clomid cycle cancelled for thin lining
    Aug-Oct, 3 femara cycles, all BFN
    Get an RE referral. While waiting to set up an appointment Nov-Jan, I continue with natural cycles and ICI, using a known donor, BFN...
    Jan '21 [fertility clinic], more bloodwork, AMH is worse (.36) but other numbers are fine-ish. laparoscopy all good
    Feb '21, injectables (menopur, novarel), iui, BFN (doc said the frozen donor sperm sample had the "best numbers she'd ever seen!")
    Mar '21, injectables, iui cancelled due to lack of follicles.
    May '21, first IVF round cancelled due to cyst.
    Currently planning for a July IVF cycle
    BusinessWifekiki047keikilove
  • @optimistgardener. OMG yes, I teach at a very fancy university and man all of the jobs just want dudes from the lacrosse team. 
    TTC History
    TTC #1 Sep 2017-Sep 2018 
    BFP 11/30/2017 | MMC 12/31/2017
    BFP 6/22/2018 | CP 6/27/2018
    BFP 10/5/2018 | EDD 6/14/2019
    Baby girl born 6/19/19

    TTC #2 Since May 2020
    BFP 7/18/2020 | MonoDi Twins | MMC 9/10/2020
    BFP 11/7/2020 | CP 11/9/2020
    RE Consult January 2021 | Dx "borderline DOR"/RPL
    IVF with PGT:
    ER #1 3/27/2021 7R | 5M | 3F | 2B | 1 PGT-A Normal, 1 low-level mosaic
    ER #2 4/22/2021 10R | 7M | 3F | 2B | 0 normal, 2 aneuploid
    ER #3 5/2021


    optimistgardener
  • For anyone who's got 55 min, I recommend watching this podcast Dr. Aimee did with embryologist / lab director Dr. Carol Curchoe. She explains the grading very well (and yes, it's pretty arbitrary and just a way to compare 1 embryo to another. I.e. it's relative, not absolute.) 

    TTC History

    Me: 37, MH: 36 | Met 02/09 | Started Dating 08/17 | Married 02/02/2020
    TTC #1 since 02/2020
    2009 | Dx PCOS; likely a misdiagnosis
    07/14/20 | Dx Hashimoto's Thyroditis
    07/21/20 | 1st RE appointment
    07/2120 - 08/20/20 | so much testing; no signs of PCOS
    08/20/20 | Dx Unexplained; AMA
    09/08/20 | IUI #1 Clomid + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    09/30/20 | Urology consult; more testing required
    10/2020 | Clomid + OPK + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    10/26/2020 | Starting 2nd IUI cycle, with Letrazole and with a new RE / different clinic
    11/03/2020 | New Dx "poor egg quality"; IUI cancelled in favor of Trigger + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    11/26/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Menopur) + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    12/20/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Gonal-F) + Trigger | IUI Cancelled due to thin lining; TI only | BFN
    01/14/2021 | Combo IUI (Letrazole + Menopur) + Trigger | BFN
    02/06/2021 | Switched to a new RE (TEW) ; trying naturally until we conclude more additional testing 
    03/14/2021 | Hybrid + Double IUI, with Zymot (Letrazole, Gonal-F) + Trigger + Endometrin | Ovulated 4 mature eggs but still a BFN ☹️
    04/07/2021 | Natural cycle while we regroup | BFN
    04/09/2021 | Employer announces fertility benefits starting 05/01/2021! | Search for a new doctor who accepts insurance
    05/10/2021 | New RE consult & plan for IVF
    05/13/2021 | mid-luteal IVF cycle #1 


    photographerwife
  • Oh @bumblebee0210 def congrats on getting 2 more embryos for testing! Hopefully at least 1 more PGT-A normal. 🤞🏻

    TTC History

    Me: 37, MH: 36 | Met 02/09 | Started Dating 08/17 | Married 02/02/2020
    TTC #1 since 02/2020
    2009 | Dx PCOS; likely a misdiagnosis
    07/14/20 | Dx Hashimoto's Thyroditis
    07/21/20 | 1st RE appointment
    07/2120 - 08/20/20 | so much testing; no signs of PCOS
    08/20/20 | Dx Unexplained; AMA
    09/08/20 | IUI #1 Clomid + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    09/30/20 | Urology consult; more testing required
    10/2020 | Clomid + OPK + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    10/26/2020 | Starting 2nd IUI cycle, with Letrazole and with a new RE / different clinic
    11/03/2020 | New Dx "poor egg quality"; IUI cancelled in favor of Trigger + TI + Prometrium | BFN
    11/26/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Menopur) + Trigger + Prometrium | BFN
    12/20/2020 | Combo IUI (Clomid + Gonal-F) + Trigger | IUI Cancelled due to thin lining; TI only | BFN
    01/14/2021 | Combo IUI (Letrazole + Menopur) + Trigger | BFN
    02/06/2021 | Switched to a new RE (TEW) ; trying naturally until we conclude more additional testing 
    03/14/2021 | Hybrid + Double IUI, with Zymot (Letrazole, Gonal-F) + Trigger + Endometrin | Ovulated 4 mature eggs but still a BFN ☹️
    04/07/2021 | Natural cycle while we regroup | BFN
    04/09/2021 | Employer announces fertility benefits starting 05/01/2021! | Search for a new doctor who accepts insurance
    05/10/2021 | New RE consult & plan for IVF
    05/13/2021 | mid-luteal IVF cycle #1 


    bumblebee0210
  • @kiki047 so exciting!  Even worst case freeze all is not the end of the world.  Here's hoping you do get to do a fresh transfer and you'll be PASP in a matter of a few short weeks!
    Me: 38 | DH: 44 ~ TTC Our First May 2015 thru Dec 2017
    A Brief Summary of Our Infertility Journey
    5/16 - Began Creighton Method CM Tracking / Napro Fertility Medicine | Progesterone + various abx cycles - all BFNs
    8/16 - SHG: ute good, at least one tube open | 10/16 - MFI Azoo dx confirmed. No known genetic cause. Vas deferens absent.
    3/17 - DH started Clomid to prepare for MESA/TESE | 4/17 - Initial RE Consult for me | 7/17 - Successful retrieval for DH!
    9/17 - Two BTB IVFs  | 10/17 - Polypectomy  |  11/17 - 1st FET ended in CP | 12/17 - 2nd FET ... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 09/09/18
    Our incredible miracle baby is finally here!

    Our Journey Trying for Siblings, still a work in progress...
    9/19 - 1st natural FET cycle, BFN | 10/19 - 2nd medicated FET cycle, cancelled
    11/19 - 3rd natural FET cycle, BFN  | 12/19 - 4th natural FET cycle... BFP!!! <3 EDD: 08/21/20
    Our second little miracle arrived safely via VBAC!

    Our last two natural FET cycles, TTC our Third, (Already in progress)...
    3/21 - SHG and CD3 bloodwork all clear, started Synthroid, Ready to Transfer!
    4/21 - Penultimate FET, BFN | 5/21 - Final FET ... TBD

    kiki047
  • bows22bows22 member
    @kiki047 I hope your withdrawal bleed treats you kindly. I want nothing but a perfect cycle for you!

    @acleverusername that’s so interesting about YH’s screening results. I’m curious to hear what Dr. Aimee says! So cool that you have her as a resource. 

    @optimistgardener omg your poor dog! I’m glad she’s on the mend. I cracked up at your squinter rainbow too! I hope this week is going quickly for you until the fun starts!

    @BusinessWife love the grading analogy, thanks for sharing! We often have 2 cardinals in our backyard and I like to think it’s my grandparents checking in on me ❤️

    @bumblebee0210 so glad to see you had another successful cycle! On to the next - you are rocking this! 

    keikiloveBusinessWifeoptimistgardenerbumblebee0210
  • bows22bows22 member
    @optimistgardener oh my gosh that’s a lot! Poor both of you for sure. She’s a trooper. Fingers crossed your future children take it a bit easier on you haha. Did she learn to stop chasing animals or is she still pretty bold?
  • @optimistgardener. Thanks-- I have been feeling a little down on things lately, because even though this is going about how I would have expected, I'm letting go of that little hope that I might just need one or two (or even three!) cycles, and have more than enough embryos. I just made a big long calendar and charted out probably egg retrieval dates if the cycles end up being about as long as these last ones. I'm hoping we can get 5 in by our July vacation, and then maybe take a cycle off and then transfer. Sometimes when I take the long view it feels exhausting, and I get impatient, but it helps me to focus on the immediate.

    Also-- I may have been feeling down because I get UBER-PMS after ERs. So look forward to that?? (But you've already been on the big doses I think, so maybe you know already...)


    TTC History
    TTC #1 Sep 2017-Sep 2018 
    BFP 11/30/2017 | MMC 12/31/2017
    BFP 6/22/2018 | CP 6/27/2018
    BFP 10/5/2018 | EDD 6/14/2019
    Baby girl born 6/19/19

    TTC #2 Since May 2020
    BFP 7/18/2020 | MonoDi Twins | MMC 9/10/2020
    BFP 11/7/2020 | CP 11/9/2020
    RE Consult January 2021 | Dx "borderline DOR"/RPL
    IVF with PGT:
    ER #1 3/27/2021 7R | 5M | 3F | 2B | 1 PGT-A Normal, 1 low-level mosaic
    ER #2 4/22/2021 10R | 7M | 3F | 2B | 0 normal, 2 aneuploid
    ER #3 5/2021


    acleverusernamebows22
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