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    ziggymama06ziggymama06 member
    edited February 2020
    @laur84ns Wow!  Ok, I'm totally sold...  Now to sell MH on the idea lol... It was hard enough to get him on board with the midwife!  (He was more comfortable with a dr should anything happen... but I'm delivering in a hospital.  I think what made him ok with it is that the mw practice is affiliated with an ob office, so in an emergency they would call the drs they know).  Thank you so much for sharing your experience!!  
    Me: 33  DH: 36
    Dating 4/2008
    Married 6/2016
    TTC #1  9/2019
    BFP 12/13/2019!
    EDD 8/27/2020 Baby Girl  <3
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    Wow for all you planning on going all natural you guys are sooo amazing! I only considered natural with my daughter and then I actually went into labor and said screw this. 

    I'm totally team epidural for me all the way.
    Pregnancy #1 DD 08.30.2007
    Pregnancy #2 Natural Miscarriage at 6 weeks 03/2014 Due date 11/9/2014
    Pregnancy #3 DS 02.23.2015
    Pregnancy #4 Missed Miscarriage at 11 weeks 11/2018 Due date 5/22/2019
    Pregnancy #5 Positive test 12/11/2019 Due Date 8/17/2020

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    @psychobutthead I'm team epidural as well! If my labor is quick and I can't get one in time, then I'm team natural. Bur that would be the only reason why I would become one  :D
    Married: August 2012
    TTC #1: July 2015
    BFP 1: October 30, 2015; EDD: July 6, 2016- Team Pink
    TTC #2: September 2019

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    @psychobutthead Lolol. I always go into it with the intention of med-free, then I want that epidural so badly. I got one with my first, and that thing was like a gift from the heavens. I went numb then ate a cherry popsicle (then promptly threw it up after my c-section but, ya know... Whatever. :D). DD came so fast that I barely had time to get into a hospital room, let alone receive an epidural, so she was med-free, and it was WILD. I'm going to try to hold out again this time, because it was a pretty magical experience feeling her finally slide out, but man - if it's there, I don't know if I'll have the strength to say no.

    This was one of the reasons why I was also considering a doula, but discovered they are pretty expensive around these parts. I really wanted one, though, and I'm jealous of all of you mamas who will have one to support you!
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    @blackgirlmagic @lachnessmomster yeah my labors are long and my kids were both over 8 pounds so an epidural is a must.
    Pregnancy #1 DD 08.30.2007
    Pregnancy #2 Natural Miscarriage at 6 weeks 03/2014 Due date 11/9/2014
    Pregnancy #3 DS 02.23.2015
    Pregnancy #4 Missed Miscarriage at 11 weeks 11/2018 Due date 5/22/2019
    Pregnancy #5 Positive test 12/11/2019 Due Date 8/17/2020

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    @lachnessmomster now I am want a cherry popsicle!!!

    @laur84ns wowww your post was so helpful. Good to know some of the things your postpartum doula was able to help with. I'm not sure if my doula does postpartum work, but I just saw a massage therapist who does so if I build a relationship with her I might see if that's something I could ask her about.

    @ziggymama06 I got a recommendation from a friend, but my doula is part of a practice (not sure this is the right word) but they offer their own classes, have a stand-alone facility where they host classes, events (for both expecting moms and new moms), yoga, etc. The had a few doulas on staff and I got to go meet all of them to see who I clicked with. You can go on doula match, but if there is a center like this where you live it might also be a good place to start your search. Let us know how it goes! It's def wild whenever I see her to realize she will be there for the most intimate moment of my life so far! 
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    I’m team drugs, but what I wasn’t prepared for is how much pain you are in when they wear off. It was like “oh this childbirth thing isn’t THAT bad” and then a few hours later “HOLY F%^!”
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    @laur84ns your experience with your doula makes me want one even more now, especially post partum. Thank you for sharing!
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    @laur84ns I completely forgot about the episiotomy. That was the worst. Once the numbness went away it hurt. I thought it was because it was fresh, but I didn’t heal properly so my six weeks of “healing” was not healing down there. It hurt to walk, sit, lay down, you name it hurt. It took a months for it to heal and when we tired to have sex once I was “healed” it hurt so bad. We had a specialist come to my work to meet with us ladies and she told us that we should take some Vaseline or coconut oil and rub it between your fingers and then take a finger in your vagina and another outside towards your anal and massage it to help the tissue heal. 
    Married: August 2012
    TTC #1: July 2015
    BFP 1: October 30, 2015; EDD: July 6, 2016- Team Pink
    TTC #2: September 2019

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    @roo_baby i thought the uterine massages where the worst thing. With my first kid no one told me about those. So the first time the nurse came to do so I peed everywhere! It was horrible.
    After that I made them wait for me to go pee first. With my daughter I ripped and it never healed together right. It healed with a gap. Then o eventually just ripped because the skin that did heal was so thin. Doctors refused to fix it because they told me I'd just have another kid. 
    With my son I knew what to expect with uterine massages so I made sure I made them wait until I had peed before they touched me.
    Pregnancy #1 DD 08.30.2007
    Pregnancy #2 Natural Miscarriage at 6 weeks 03/2014 Due date 11/9/2014
    Pregnancy #3 DS 02.23.2015
    Pregnancy #4 Missed Miscarriage at 11 weeks 11/2018 Due date 5/22/2019
    Pregnancy #5 Positive test 12/11/2019 Due Date 8/17/2020

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    @ziggymama06 I think it depends on your midwife practice too. When I gave birth to my daughter, I was seen by a midwife practice of two. I knew both very well. The one on call when I gave birth stayed throughout the whole labor and birth. My mw kept reminding me of my birth plan and desires when I wanted to give in and get an epidural. She offered different positions and pain relief methods. It was very doula like. However, I know that's not how all midwife practices are do it's worth looking further into yours!
    Married July 2014
    DD born June 2016
    Second due August 2020 (team green!)
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    @laur84ns I did NOT know that post partum doulas existed and after hearing all that they do I need to make this  priority stat! Thanks for sharing! 
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    I asked for an epidural immediately when I got to the hospital with DD and I felt like it worked *too* well. I went right to sleep and they had to keep waking me up to check my progress and it was slow. I read even though you are numb you still get the urge to push and I did not have that. They were telling me to push and I was like "am I doing it?!" It felt like I was just clenching my face!
    This time around I think I'd just like to hold off a bit longer if possible.. I'm not sure if the epi slowed my labor since I was confined to my bed, but this time I think I'd like to move around or take a bath.. But I'm also nervous if I wait it will be too late! Haha. Oh, birthing joys. 

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    @mrs_sheddy I didn’t like the epidural either, for similar reasons. Pushing was the worst, I also felt like I was just clenching my face haha!

    @blackgirlmagic Yah it was the worst. I had to sit on one of those inflatable donut cushions for at least a week. Ugh. 

    @gomillis You’re welcome! I hope you find a great pp doula that you click with!

    @maelove YES! A pp doula will be a godsend for you, especially with twins! Line up all the help you can get! They are truly amazing. 
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    mrs_sheddy the exact same thing happened to me. When we arrived in our room, I thought to myself that this is going to be like the movies where they ask for an epidural, it takes hours, and they are in so much pain. I got mine not even 15 minutes later and then I'm pretty sure it slowed everything down. I was in labor for so long that they allowed it to wear off so my body could progress, but I was so tired at the point that I was sleeping in between contractions. My husband told me that I was begging them to put me back on it, but I don't remember any of that. 
    Married: August 2012
    TTC #1: July 2015
    BFP 1: October 30, 2015; EDD: July 6, 2016- Team Pink
    TTC #2: September 2019

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    @ziggymama06 I also highly recommend a doula if you'd like to have a med-free birth. You said you might go with a birth center your second time around and I want to encourage you to consider it with this pregnancy if possible. 
    Here is why: 
    I was naive. I've always done pretty well with pain and working through things. I had a hospital birth planned with an OB and my sister's Bradley book and a lot of reading from the library about labor and delivery. I expected contractions to start slowly and they did NOT! To make a long story short, after a little over 12 hours (only a few at the hospital) and being made to feel like a wimp, I got an epidural. Within 20 minutes of the epidural, my baby's heartrate dropped and didn't come back up and I was rushed in for an emergency c-section. It is possible that the HR drop had nothing to do with the epidural and that the c- section and being at the hospital saved my baby's life, but in my heart,  I don't feel that was probably the case. Research shows no benefits to continuous fetal heartrate monitoring. Fast forward to my next delivery and I was forced to have a hospital birth due to my history of a c-section. I hired a doula and planned my heart out for a VBAC that I didn't even get to attempt bc my OB didn't want to induce, my cervix wasn't ready, the amniotic fluid was decreasing, the baby was way high and not even trying to come out, and the baby barely moved during my US at 41 weeks. 
    My dreams of having a big family were kind of crushed. I wish I had went with a doula, midwife, and birth center from the very start! 
    @gomillis my doula did end up doing some post-partum visits since I did not need her for the c-section. I mostly had her help clean the house and help out with my toddler and I felt it was very nice! I'd love to hire post-partum help again! It was nice to have someone scheduled at certain times and more removed. I was pretty stuck at home so it was also nice to get the house looking good and feel like my toddler had a good day! 
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    @wife-and-mommy Wow, I'm sorry that neither birth went according to plan and thank you for sharing your story and insights.  I hope third time is the charm for you!!  Are you planning a c-section or VBAC?  I would honestly love to give birth at the birthing center this time but being a FTM I really have no idea what to expect and the thought that if something were to go wrong I would need to leave and be sent to the hospital (even though it's 5 mins away) terrifies me.  Also, I finally sold MH on a MW, he would never go for a birthing center.  I figure next child (should everything go smoothly this time around KOW), when I have a better understanding of labor/birth/how my body reacts, I'll give it a go.  These postpartum doulas sound absolutely amazing!!  MH works from home so I really don't think he would want an extra person around, plus he will be there to help me.
    Me: 33  DH: 36
    Dating 4/2008
    Married 6/2016
    TTC #1  9/2019
    BFP 12/13/2019!
    EDD 8/27/2020 Baby Girl  <3
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    Any STMs that have taken, or are planning to take, some sort of birthing course this go-round? I really enjoyed ours and would love to do it again (if we can figure out the logistics of childcare without it costing an arm and a leg), but everyone in my initial class was a FTM and it strikes me that it may be unusual and/or disruptive to the group dynamic to have someone in the mix who's not. Our instructor lets "alumni" come back and sit in on the two classes most directly related to labor logistics, but we'd still miss out on the group experience of getting to know other couples going through the same thing over time, which is a big part of what I loved about the experience.

    I'll reach out to a couple instructors and get their thoughts, but curious if anyone here has explored the same thing. I really wish there was an abridged/accelerated version of these courses targeted specifically at STMs!
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    RedBaramidRedBaramid member
    edited February 2020
    @emiliadkay At my last OB, they required all parents to go through a birthing class if they hadn't had a baby in the last 3 years, we had a couple second time moms/parents/couples in that class. If you're going to some sort of specialty class to learn a different birthing technique/pain tolerance technique I don't think you should feel any shame in it at all though.  You're learning just like everyone else.

    For me, I won't be attending anything unless my new OB or the hospital requires it.  I came home from almost all of my classes in tears scared.  The teacher was so nice and lovely but all of the information in a class setting made me feel very overwhelmed.  I felt like reading about it on my own would have been less stressful for me. 
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
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    I’ll probably do a refresher of the course on natural techniques to manage the pain during labor. That was the most helpful one I did and I can’t remember most of it. I probably don’t need to do the hospital tour again since we will deliver at the same one, and I think I’m all good on breastfeeding lessons for now 😆 
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    I don’t plan on taking any birthing classes. I do plan I’m taking a breastfeeding class again, just because it’s been almost three years since I’ve nursed. My ob has done online classes for a lot of things, that I have yet to look at yet. 
    Married: August 2012
    TTC #1: July 2015
    BFP 1: October 30, 2015; EDD: July 6, 2016- Team Pink
    TTC #2: September 2019

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    @ziggymama06 Just wait until you start watching the videos...  :D
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    @psychobutthead @RedBaramid In the UK the utrine massage isn't standard practace and is rarely done. 
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    @emiliadkay I was thinking about looking at the classes my hospital offers and if they’re for 1st timers only. It will be 4.5 year since the first time and while I know what’s going to happen, I’d like a refresher on the different options during labor. 

    @ziggymama06 It may not be that bad! I think I had a pretty easy labor in comparison to most- it was 9 hours total from when my water broke/contractions started to baby coming out. I skipped the epidural because I wanted the ability to move around, which I ended up not doing anyway. But I was also super tired (awake for 30 hrs) and I think that has fogged the memory a bit. Haha. 
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    @emiliadkay not planning on doing a birthing class but that's bc I'm having a c section

    So the first time around there was a high chance of a c section bc of the placement of one of my fibroids, but now we know so its much more lax for me this time around. I won't have a doula although I know some amazing doulas (my friend is one) solely bc I'm having another c section, and post partum I'm not planning on breastfeeding at all this go round, so I mostly want a night nurse, so I can sleep this time. I didn't/haven't enjoyed motherhood. Like my experience with DS has been overwhelmingly negative. My son never STTN, took almost a year to wean (21 months BFing), and he behaves horribly in addition to a NICU stay, having sever eczema and a surgery at 10 weeks old. Honestly it has been HELL on me. I will spend whatever to have a better experience this go round. 
    STM DS (June 18 BMB vet)
    Married Aug 2016 Me 30 :D / DH 34
    CS scheduled 7/26-8/12 Due 8/30
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    I am definitely bummed my doula kind of ghosted PP.  I think she felt bad about the section.
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    @BusinessWife My best friend is 36 weeks pregnant with her first  and I’m in a group text with her and our other two best friends. They other two have done nothing but regale her with birth and post partum horror stories. I separately text them to tell them how unhelpful they were being and how much anxiety they were giving me, who’s been through it twice, and I can’t imagine what our FTM friend was feeling. I understand wanting to let her know what can happen but she took a birth class, the basics were covered. I was fuming. 
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    @ziggymama06 Haha your GIF had me laughing out loud. I will say that it is ALL worth it once that little baby is placed in your arms. Whatever happens, you will get through it and then you’ll have a squishy little buddy for life. So worth it :heart:
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    @emiliadkay sleep deprivation was def the hardest followed by breastfeeding. And once my milk came in it was physically actually easy for me, my son latched on the first night home and we had no problems with supply. For him it was weaning, he didn't want to stop. I started trying at 10 months, my goal was to 13/14 months to stop since he was born a month early. Ended up being 21 months, and the last 10 were the worst. His desire never decreased. He also never STTN so thats why sleep is first. At least with pregnancy and child birth there is a exact end date you know.

    STM DS (June 18 BMB vet)
    Married Aug 2016 Me 30 :D / DH 34
    CS scheduled 7/26-8/12 Due 8/30
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    Hey, maybe this is a bit early to ask.. but I just wanted to throw it at the wall and see if it stuck at all... 

    I know I'm not the only one here who has had a rocky pregnancy or two, is anyone else considering a tubal ligation? I'm very heavily leaning in that direction, to the point where before my next appointment with my OB I want to call ahead and have them note in my file that I want to talk about it. I've read some horror stories online, but I've also heard a lot of positives about it. I know I'm still in my early 30's but coming back for a third pregnancy after having 2 kids is starting to seem like testing fate for me personally(and I felt that way before they called me yesterday and told me I needed to see a gastro specialist). 
    Baby Birthday Ticker Ticker
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    @RedBaramid I have heard if you are interested and happen to have a section, so they are in there anyway, you can save $$$ over having to go back and do it later. 🤷

    For me personally, we have strong religious beliefs why my H or I would never.  We would not consider doing something so permanent to try to prematurely end our reproductive years.  I know not everyone feels the same way about it though, and every situation is different.  I can see how having extenuating medical issues could make the decision harder. (((Hugs)))
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    Re: tubal. No, I have never considered it. Personally, due to the risks involved, it's not something I would ever do. When H and I are at the point we're done having children, he will probably get a vasectomy. The risks are much less, and it's a much less invasive procedure. That said, I do think it's a little different if you're already opened up with a CS. You're already having a surgery and the risks associated with that. Me, I've had two uncomplicated vaginal births already, so it's pretty unlikely I'm going to need a CS in the future. 

    Along with that, though, I would be hesitant to ever recommend a couple who are "done having children" to take permanent measures (V or tubal) immediately after having their "last child," just because half the couples who I know did either successfully reversed it to have more kids or tried and failed to have it reversed. (And the other half are still young enough to potentially change their minds.) Of course, this is just my perspective, and I realize there are sometimes extenuating factors at play, especially with repeat CSs, like "don't have more children for health reasons."
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