August 2019 Moms
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Birth Plans Thread

Here is the thread to share your birth plans and ask questions about birth plans! *some things taken from Nov'18

Some people think birth plans (or preferences) are only for people who want an unmedicated birth, but you can have preferences for many aspects of your birthing time that don't have anything to do with the relief of discomfort. At the very least, it's a good place to start thinking about your preferences and discussing them with your Doctor. 

1st Stage-the squeezing waves that bring your baby to you
2nd Stage- the actual birth of your baby
3rd Stage- birth of placenta
Newborn Care
Postpartum 

Here are some ideas for discussion:
What are you including in your birth plan?
Have you shared it with your Doctor/Midwife?
Anything you are especially concerned about?
Are there any areas where you and your Doctor/hospital aren't in complete agreement with your preferences or anything you think you will have to really fight for?
STM+ Anything you are changing this time around or anything you wish you had added the last time? Anything you would leave off? 

Some free resources:
Earth Mama free plan (a plan for all types of birth)
Parent 24 6 page plan
The Bump 6 page plan
March of Dimes 2 page plan in English and in Spanish 
Free Power Point file to customize your own visual birth plan
You can also use Google slides to create your own visual birth plan using these icons (save each image)
People think we become mothers when we give birth but the truth is we become mothers the moment we start calling our babies to us in our thoughts, dreams and prayers. Some paths are short and some are so long that you can easily forget where you were headed.

How I feel all of the time.
My 7 Year Journey ***Tw in spoiler***
IVF
IVF #1 - September 2018; Follistim, Menopur, Cetrotide & Lupron/HCG combo trigger; PGS; ICSI
Back on Levothyroxine
FET #1 - October 2018; cancelled, all PGS aneuploid
FET #1 - November 30th, transferred anyway
Wondfo BFP 5dp5dt, CB Digi 6dpt, 
1st Beta on 7dpt 93
2nd Beta on 10dpt 510!

TTC #1 since 2011. Tried for 5 years before we knew there was a one year rule.
Diag w/MS 2016; w/PCOS & IF 2017
New RE 2018; PCOS diagnosis taken away, IF due to ovary adhesions, but prev. RE insists PCOS IF

IUI
IUI #1 July 2017 w/100mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #2 October 2017 w/50mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
IUI #3 February 2018 w/5mg Femara+trigger; low P
BFP February; mc March; Subclinical hypothyroid started Levothyroxine 
IUI #4 March 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Medicated cycle & TI April 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
Tried several cycles on our own; all BFN
 
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    @chillycanadian I’ve been concerned about poop during labor too. The embarassment...omg. That said. I got to have a group class with the birth center I’m at and it includes moms to be and husbands/whoever they want to bring. That subject came up and one of the dads piped up and said, you know it’s really not a big deal. There’s so much happening and going on that you’re not really even giving your mind time to think about that. And I appreciated hearing that from a dad that’s been there before....I don’t mind that happening with the midwives/nurses whomever...it’s more because of MH. That said...I know he won’t care or make a big deal. It’s really just my mental block. 
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    @emqbee exactly! I bet if I poop, MH will be like.."aww man sorry guys, I farted" 😂 because he is sweet like that. He's seen it all before, and delivered several babies. But...man! I just don't wanna poop in front of him haha
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    @chillycanadian if you don’t mind me asking, why do you not want an episiotomy? 
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    @chillycanadian - my mh will probably make fun of me for it for years to come... but that’s our relationship ;) 
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    What are you including in your birth plan?
    Here's what mine is so far, but we are going to try to labor at home for as long as possible:

    *Please ask before touching me during each stage unless there is a medical emergency*

    1st Stage- no students, quiet voices when entering, free movement, use of shower, no iv/heplock unless medically necessary, do not offer pain medication, free use of food/water, dim lights, natural membrane rupture, please be patient with the time it takes to progress, no cervical checks, intermittent monitoring
    2nd Stage- no students, quiet voices when entering, free choice of position, dim lights, no directed pushing, warm compress on perineum, no episiotomy, touch head when crowning, no epidural, no pitocin, intermittent monitoring, allow my baby's body to be born spontaneously; don't pull, I will catch my baby. 
    3rd Stage- leave vernix on my baby, immediate skin to skin, delayed cord clamping until it stops pulsating, partner to cut cord, no active management or controlled cord traction, no pitocin, no suctioning unless medically necessary
    Newborn Care-delay exams for bonding, exams done in my presence, no eye ointment, no hep B, no PKU, no pacifier, no formula, no sugar water, no bath, do not retract my son's foreskin, no circumcision, do not force breastfeeding (we'd like to try the breast crawl)

    Have you shared it with your Doctor/Midwife?
    Not yet. Still working on it and about to order a visual birth plan because we heard care teams love them. Oooh that reminds me, even though we are low risk, I need to make a second plan in case of a C section. 

    Anything you are especially concerned about?
    Not really other than the normal anxieties that seem to come with the thought of birthing a baby. 

    Are there any areas where you and your Doctor/hospital aren't in complete agreement with your preferences or anything you think you will have to really fight for?
    There are probably several areas they won't be in complete agreement about, but Kaiser seems to be pretty pro- Mother directed birthing and respectful of it. I will have my husband and a Doula to help advocate for me. 
    People think we become mothers when we give birth but the truth is we become mothers the moment we start calling our babies to us in our thoughts, dreams and prayers. Some paths are short and some are so long that you can easily forget where you were headed.

    How I feel all of the time.
    My 7 Year Journey ***Tw in spoiler***
    IVF
    IVF #1 - September 2018; Follistim, Menopur, Cetrotide & Lupron/HCG combo trigger; PGS; ICSI
    Back on Levothyroxine
    FET #1 - October 2018; cancelled, all PGS aneuploid
    FET #1 - November 30th, transferred anyway
    Wondfo BFP 5dp5dt, CB Digi 6dpt, 
    1st Beta on 7dpt 93
    2nd Beta on 10dpt 510!

    TTC #1 since 2011. Tried for 5 years before we knew there was a one year rule.
    Diag w/MS 2016; w/PCOS & IF 2017
    New RE 2018; PCOS diagnosis taken away, IF due to ovary adhesions, but prev. RE insists PCOS IF

    IUI
    IUI #1 July 2017 w/100mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
    IUI #2 October 2017 w/50mg Clo+trigger; BFN; benched w/big cysts
    IUI #3 February 2018 w/5mg Femara+trigger; low P
    BFP February; mc March; Subclinical hypothyroid started Levothyroxine 
    IUI #4 March 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
    Medicated cycle & TI April 2018 w/7.5mg Femara+trigger; BFN
    Tried several cycles on our own; all BFN
     
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    edited April 2019
    @newmamakt simply because it takes more time to heal than tearing naturally. Although that's anecdotally, and only a sample of 17 women who've had both. (As well as one OB nurse and a med student). But it's not a scientifically done study, so I can't make a recommendation from a medical standpoint. I can only use the info to make choices for myself. Though I wonder if I can find any papers on it...

    (And again, I would do anything necessary to bring baby safely into the world. So if it were life and limb/death, of course I'll have them do anything necessary.)
    Edit to clarify: I don't want it as a routine proceedure. Which it sounds like they don't usually do anymore anyway. But as a life saving intervention they can do what has to be done)
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    @zamora_spin I did a bunch of research on it yesterday after posting here.
    Fascinating and horrifying.
    The episotomy used to be routine (in North America at least) until they realized that healing rates were way longer, risks were way higher, with higher incidents of 4th degree tear, and that there is no benefit to a routine episiotomy.

    Now they will do it in a few situations:
    - baby is in distress, with slowing heart rate, and needs to be delivered quickly.
    - mom has torn already but is tearing the wrong way (toward urethra)
    - mom has torn already and it looks like it could progress to a 4th degree.  In that case, the doctor may do a diagonal episiotomy, in hopes to avoid the 4th degree tear. Diagonal cuts are less likely to become 4th degree, but are more difficult to repair, and heal slower.

    Episiotomys are more likely to have complications after healing, such as painful intercourse.
    A vertical episiotomy (like most normal natural tears) have a higher probability of causing 4th degree tearing, than a natural tear.
    Apparently most natural tears are 1st degree, which means they are superficial, and don't even require stitches.

    Basically, it sucks all around. But it definitely reinforced that I have to remember to put counter-pressure on the perenium when I'm assisting to deliver a baby! And the tiny pant-pushes when baby is crowning but head hasn't passed enough yet haha. I hope whomever is helping deliver this baby coaches me through that!
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    @aecm FYI I’m also team epidural. I honestly don’t even know if I could have made it through birthing DD without one after laboring an entire day and only getting to 4cm (contractions were lasting 90 seconds at this point with about 30-40 second breaks). I still say I never knew pain until that day. I’ve thought briefly of going med free this go since it’s my third and last but I doubt I will. Being able to relax and take in my experience was invaluable to me. 
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    @purplg8r I had never heard of a gentle c-section (although this will be my third) until your post. I just assumed you give up the ability for skin to skin contact and delayed clamping, but it sounds like there are more options becoming available. Some of it could be because my first was so long ago and these are fairly new techniques. I’m definitely going to talk to my doctor to see if they offer these options!!
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    Thanks for the explanation ladies! Gives me something to think about. I honestly wouldn’t have thought about healing time. 
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    BigBadWolf12BigBadWolf12 member
    edited April 2019
    I hadn't heard of a gentle c section either.  It sounds like what I had with my breech boy though,  minus the clear shield so I could watch (which I would have liked... they didn't even really want dh looking over the barrier bc they said too many people pass out our get squeamish :/ but other than that,  I was not knocked out,  had free arm movement,  held DS immediately,  they didn't cut the cord right away, the nurses offered to take pictures for us, etc.

    TTGP history (*TW*):

    Started TTC Oct 2015
    BFP #1 June 2016: EDD 16 March 2017, MC July 2016
    Re-started TTC Aug 2016
    Started IF testing Nov 2016
    Spontaneous BFP #2 January 2017: Rainbow Baby Boy September 2017
    BFP #3 November 2018: Baby #2 expected August 2019


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    Mine is the same as @sourlemon and @thirdtimesacharm2019

    My doctor is pro gentle C when possible (my best friend got to do a lot of skin to skin after hers), but DD2 had labored breathing (I think?? I honestly was too busy throwing up) so DH went and watch her in the nursery. 

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    I only have a couple of specifics in my birth plan, I am kind of a control freak so I know if I created something in depth and it couldn't go as planned I might get a little frustrated (obviously anything to get the baby out safely is fine). 

    -Absolutely nobody in the room during labor aside from the Father and Doctors/Nurses. This is a HUGE one for me because my Mother has threatened to come in despite our wishes (which I know wouldn't be allowed if we didnt allow it, but it's been a frustrating battle)

    -Delayed cord clamping/cutting

    -If my boyfriend does pass out, as he tends to get queasy pretty easily, my best friend will be the one to step in in his place

    -As much peace and quiet as possible

    I am hoping that at least these few things go as planned! 
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    I don't have anything too far off from what people have said here for my plan either! I live in a crunchy college town so my hospital is already on the low end of intervention--like, I know I won't be pushed into an unnecessary c-section just because the doctor wants to make his racquetball match with his buddy Winthorpe; they offer tubs in some of their rooms, do perineal massage with oil during the birth, let me tear naturally, skin to skin, promote breastfeeding, pride themselves and advertise their low c-section rate, etc. My last birth was really well managed even though it had a bunch of complications so I have high trust going in for the second one. 

    I do have some preferences that I'll go over again with my family/husband in case I need help self-advocating, but I don't think I will prepare anything written out. I'm very lucky that (entirely by coincidence) my personal "birth team" in the room includes a doctor (my mom), a lawyer (my sister), and an insurance specialist with deep knowledge of medical malpractice (husband) so I know they'll help fight anything weird that may happen! (Honestly if I have one birth plan item I could present to the actual baby, or to fate or the universe or the deities above, it would be to come on time so that it lines up with my mom's, sister's, and husband's travel schedules so that they're there with me!). Those preferences (other than, again, all the stuff the hospital already does like skin-to-skin etc) include:

    -labor at home as long as possible with my medicine ball and yoga poses, and in the soaking tub (I labored at home for 20 hours last time but the dr advised me that second births can progress a lot faster, so not to delay too much!). This part was really hard on my mom last time because she wanted me safely in the hospital like the second I had the first contraction lol
    -I'm open to any and all pain medication depending on how things are going
    -frequent blood pressure and blood sugar monitoring bc I've had issues with that in the past
    -obviously avoid c section if possible
    -if pitocin becomes necessary, then I want an epidural before the pitocin drip kicks in. Hard no on pitocin contractions!
    -listen to anything a nurse has to say because last time they were the ones actually paying close attention to my baby's distress level and the urgency to start pushing, while the doctor on duty was like "yeah maybe in a couple of hours" 
    -they are free to do a full check-up/bath/vaccines on baby as soon as they deem appropriate, given that last time there were some little hiccups like low blood sugar and jaundice right off the bat
    -no circumcision


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    @cato99 if I wasnt having a C section, I'd totally be with you on the no pitocin contractions! With my failed induction with DD1, I was on pitocin for 36 hours before my doctor allowed an epidural. I had stacking contractions that were off the chart for 20 of those hours. No wonder sh*t hit the fan a few hours later. I hate her (the doctor).
    DD1 5/23/14, DD2 12/5/16   Baby #3 on the way!


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    @wabash15 thank you! I'll take a bit of monkey butt before heading to the hospital to avoid the delivery poop! Haga
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    cato99cato99 member
    edited April 2019
    @sourlemon wow I hate her too (your doctor)!! 
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    @BigBadWolf12 good to know you had all those things with a regular c-section.  But the clear sheet is one of the major points to me. I am one of those people that has to see everything that’s going on. When I was little I used to have to have surgery on my toenails frequently and I would cry and scream because they would try to make me lay down and as soon as they let me sit up to watch, I would be fine. To this day I have to watch needles going in for shots and for blood draws. So to have that cover in front my face and not be able to see what’s going on would freak me out even more I think. 
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    @purplg8r I’m the exact same way. It makes me feel more in control to watch the needles, so I will be asking my dr closer to time if a clear sheet for a potential C section is an option 
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    Anyone else delivering at a hospital with a "no pictures or videos during delivery" policy? I'm not saying I for sure WANT pictures or videos, but I feel like it should be my choice -- and the lawyer in me just thinks the policy is only there to protect themselves if they do something wrong! 
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    hemlheml member
    @law_and_little1 My hospital has a no photos or videos during delivery policy too “due to the unpredictability of events that may require a rapid response.” My lawyer brain also went straight to “y’all just don’t want any documentation if there are mistakes.”
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    @law_and_little1 @heml Hahaha as soon as I read that question my lawyer brain also immediately responded with, "what, so there's no evidence in case something goes wrong?"  :D
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    Ok so question for y’all. Is anybody planing on doing cord blood banking? Or have previously done it? 
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    I had a detailed but brief 1 page plan for DS1. I will likely update it to include that we are trying for a VBAC, but otherwise remain unchanged this time. My OB/Midwife practice does everything I want standard, and we will have our same doula, so really it is for the nurses who do not know you when you arrive. 

    Essentially it is:
    - Baby and mom safety is #1, but please discuss things with us if needed so we stay informed unless it is emergent.
    -Do not at any time offer pain medication, unless in case of CS. 
    - Delayed cord clamp, immediate skin to skin, etc. 
    - prefer not to be attached to IV pole, or constant monitoring. I don't know that I'll have a choice on that for VBAC reasons, but it was nice last time to move freely and walk the halls, stretch, squat, etc.
    - Prefer to tear over episiotomy except to preserve clitoral function. 

    Rainbow baby Dean is due 2/17/17!
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