Thanks ladies ❤️❤️ At least it's helping to teach me what kind of MIL NOT to be someday. God I pray none of my kids ever have to deal with IF but if they do, I will be so damn compassionate and kind. Who wants to add to the stress? I just don't get it. She even prefaced it with "I know this may sound mean, but.." No there is no BUT.. Then don't say it!
@TravelingCouple first I want to give you a hug. I'm sorry you have to deal with all of this. I'm always here if you need to vent . And your MIL sounds like a piece of work. I'm sorry she said those things. It was uncalled for and you shouldn't of had to listen to that during this time.
@lund I hope you didn't think I was coming off snotty when I mentioned the rx bottle. Not what I intended but after reading it I felt a little jerkish.
@LeilaK9288 I know exactly how you feel. I had the same wait. If it makes you feel any better, our urologist did not have any numbers that he could give us either about chances of IVF success. He said he really leaves that up to the RE. So that is what our next appointment is going to be about, talking about chances and if it is worth it to do IVF. Since MH has virtual Azoo, its a little different and a TESE typically doesn't have better/more sperm, so we are a little stuck. I am really pulling for you. It just all really sucks.
@purplg8r I am a pediatric physical therapist, and I got a part time job seeing more kiddos through the early intervention system (birth to three) in their homes. So after work I will just head to a few families houses and treat kids. I am lucky that I can get into work early (7-7:30) and get out by 3-3:15 so I will be able to see kids until dinner.
AFM: **TW (MC)my best friend last night told me how hard it is to get pregnant so easily all of the time and know the symptoms right away. She did just have a MC at 5 weeks, but I was like, I have never seen a positive pregnancy test in my life and I would love to even know it was possible for me to ever have a chance at having a bio baby. I honestly don't know how to handle the situation because while I realize a MC is incredibly difficult, I just feel like I don't know how to support her when her feelings (are justified) are triggers for me.
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
Thanks so much to everyone for the product recommendations! I placed a good sized Thrive Market order based off of some of your guys' recommendations
@LeilaK9288 ugh, waiting is the worst. FX the weeks fly by and you get some answers and a plan
@Aurora1973 I can imagine how bad the BSC gets after the first IUI... I'm sure I'll be in the same boat once I start treatment (whatever that is). FX so hard for you!
@kiwi2628 FWIW my sister said that she felt absolutely nothing with *TW* both of her pregnancies until about 5-6 weeks. *end TW*
@zwink1 FX the RU calls with some useful information and a plan.
@mispanda lol not snotty at all! It was a good point that I hadn't thought of... but the RE is the one who submitted the subscription, so you'd think he would've been the one making decisions on dosage.
@JuneRoseRuby I know exactly how you feel. I feel like maybe I would have more hope if I had ever even seen a positive pregnancy test IRL before. I think you should be honest with your friend and let her know that although you can't begin to imagine how hard that is for her, you can't help wishing that you and your partner could at least get pregnant on your own. You can try to show her support without completely ignoring or repressing your own feelings.
AFM DHs repeat (3rd) SA came back with a count of 0.38. That is less than 1 million. We are so depressed and frustrated. Even my super optimistic husband is so down in the dumps over this. Plus he feels like he's been taking clomid and all these supplements for months for nothing. We plan to call the urologist today to check to see if he can stop the clomid. We meet with the RE on Thursday. At least we have decided that we will go ahead and start the IVF process. We still want to find out what the cause of his problem is and will pursue surgery if there is a chance it will help but that is now a long-term goal. With me turning 35 soon and already having a low AMH I think we should focus on just trying to get pregnant now. @LeilaK9288 After all these months I also brought up the option of sperm donation with DH for the first time. Didn't want to bring it up before becuase I didn't want DH to feel like I just want any baby. Of course my preference is to have his baby but at this point I think we should at least talk about it, especially since it could save us so much money, time and added procedures. I think for now at least we would like to try IVF at least once before going that route. Of course we have to discuss all this with the RE. I am compiling a long list of questions for our appointment.
@safire3 Sorry for the bad news. I am glad that IVF is an option and I hope you get answers soon!! @JuneRoseRuby I don't have any good advice but I wanted to send you a hug.
Diagnosis (If you've been): unexp
Cycle/CD: 17 months
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): TWW - 5dpt
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) FET was complete last week and now I am just waiting for beta on the 24th. My H and I have overlapping trips which throws a wrench into testing early.
How are things going? Okayyy this week is super busy!!
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? They would definitely be all survival related. I think I watch too much of that naked and afraid show....
Me: 35 DH: 28 TTC since June 2016 Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016 AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017 Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017 October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total) Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen 12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP 2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone Abnormal SIS Oct 2018 Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis. 12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN Our journey has come to an end.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@safire3 I can't remember, was your first SA zero, then 9 mil, and now less than 1 mil?
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@JuneRoseRuby yes that right. First was absolutely zero, then did another one to confirm about 1 week later and it came back 9 mil. Now after 3 months of clomid and supplements we are at <1.
@safire3 That is so bizarre. It makes me think some sort of blockage. I definitely think there will be options for you though! Don't get too down before your meeting with the RE. I am sure the RE will have ideas of how to get around this! There are at least sperm to work with even if it varies a good deal.
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@alohakumaenjoy your downtime while you
can! Busy but exciting time coming up!
@lund I just started progesterone supps as well! I’m so sorry you’re not liking your Re, I
hope you can find a better option! FWIW
I’m shoving meds up my hooha once a day (at night). They said my progesterone
was in the 7’s.
@purplg8rI don’t
blame you for covering your bases and starting EOD now – good luck!!
@RVAmom315 We met with our Re mid-June and I’m waiting for
AF to show and then this cycle we will do treatment. So my second full cycle
with him we’re doing treatment. Mostly for insurance purposes.
OMG I’m finally on a computer thinking I can comment to everyone and then every time I scroll down to read more, and it bounces right back up to the top of
the page. So I did what I could. I’ll be
back for more later if I have some more time!
Diagnosis (If you've been): MFI – Low Count
Cycle/CD: I think Cycle 14....CD 26
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): TWW/WFAF?
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) If/when AF shows - IUI
How are things going? Eh. I was hoping for some of that HSG magic but it's looking like a no. As I was waiting for my progesterone to be delivered (which it never was, so we had to pick it up yesterday instead of getting it on Friday night), I started spotting. I called the Re's office and asked if I should even bother and she's like oh definitely, better safe than sorry - women can get implantation spotting. So after using my first progesterone supp last night, my spotting stopped this morning so now obviously I'm all like "ooohhhhhh she was probably right!!" like a dope...
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could
only have 3 things what would you bring? Fire starter, a big pot/pan to boil water and cook food and probably a gigantic knife. I've watched too many survival shows and I think I could totally survive...no biggie!
@50Wife FX you're wrong about not getting the HSG magic! What is your progesterone dose? Mine BW showed my progesterone in the 7s too, and they want me to insert 100mg of progesterone 2x per day. But if I can get away with just doing it 1x per day that'd be awesome (because I'm dumb and payed WAY too much for these meds).
@lund ah and I looked at the label last night too and I can't remember. I'll look when I get home and report back. I was also kinda under the assumption that it's once a day at night so you're just laying there and it stays in better/longer.
Thank you @JuneRoseRuby. I think I will feel much better if I come out of there with a clear plan and we can actually start something soon. I feel like the last 3 months were a waste. I'm hoping for the same for you for your appointment next week. FX for us both that we can move on to something that will work.
@lund@50wife Just want to make sure I'm understanding this correctly. You both were in the 7's for progesterone. Lund you're on 100mg suppositories 2x a day. 50Wife is 1x a day mg TBD. Mine was at 4.6 and my OB said 200mg orally daily (which orally doesn't increase your levels as much as a suppository). I feel like my OB doesn't know WTF he's taking about and it's pissing me off. My RE appointment can't come soon enough.
Ugh @KariAnn323 correct and super frustrating!!! Can you call and ask for supps instead?? Like I feel like mine are doing their job already - literally my spotting stopped overnight. When is your appt? (sorry if I missed this...)
I'm joining so late this week but I'm here and reading all the updates. Such an exciting week for our group. I've been on an emotional roller coaster the past week. A friend passed away last week which was obviously very upsetting, then H and I went to Nantucket for a lovely weekend and we both competed in a triathlon which was a lot of fun and made me feel so strong. Then we came home and I went to the wake on Sunday night and funeral yesterday morning which was brutal and made me so sad. Then last night we went to see Cheap Trick and Foreigner which was amazing and so much fun. I need to chill and have some balance the rest of this week.
Diagnosis (If you've been): DOR
Cycle/CD: CD 12
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): I don't know. I don't track my cycle anymore so I have no clue where I am. AF is a total surprise ever month. So fun....not really.
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Lots of bw and SIS was done last week.
How are things going? Eh. I'm feeling all over the place and becoming impatient not knowing when we will start our DE IVF cycle.
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? I would not do well on a deserted island so I am going to bring sunblock, a boat and someone who can drive a boat.
History and blog link in spoiler
2016 - dx with super low ovarian reserve; failed cycle with clomid, failed IUI, 2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks May 2020 FET; BFN July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate Oct 2020 BFP!
@JuneRoseRuby oh that's a cool job! And that's really hard about your friend. I would tell her you want to support her but that she needs to realize how hard it is for you to hear complaints you would love to have
@safire3 sorry about the crummy news. Hopefully your RE will hsve done answers on Thursday.
@KariAnn323 my progesterone was 7.4, and yes, according to the instructions on the box they want me to take 100mg vaginally 2x daily. However, one of the nurses said 1x daily. From what I understand, not all doctors feel the same way about progesterone and how important it is. I've heard MANY different things on how high your levels should be at 7 DPO - everything from 5< to 20+ for a medicated cycle. My RE said they want it over 10, but then I've had friends who were *TW* KU and their RE wasn't concerned that their progesterone was in the 7s *endTW*. And, FWIW I'm not sure that my RE isn't an idiot lol. Buuuuuuuuut I still think that seeing an actual RE is a good idea!
@laurad75 you're amazing!!! I can't imagine completing anything like a triathalon - you go girl!!!
@KariAnn323 I understand that you can use the oral Prometrium as a suppository instead of swallowing it. I've been taking mine orally, but I may try it out since I spotted last cycle. I don't know how it compares to suppositories that are made for that purpose, but it sounds like it's an option.
@laurad75 A rollercoaster indeed! I hope things even out for you soon, and especially that you get more info on the timing of your DE cycle. I'm sure you're ready to move forward already! I saw Cheap Trick a few years ago, and they were freaking amazing! Glad you got to enjoy that.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@lund I am sorry your RE isn't impressing you. I hope it changes, but at least going out of state is an option for you
@RVAmom315 our first treatment cycle was our second cycle (that I was back in the states for) with the RE. Our first RE appt was on CD3, so I was able to just go through that cycle and get all appropriate BW and imaging, and then just go.
@AlohaKumu thank you so much. I have read so many research articles on NOA in the past 24 hours that my eyes literally hurt. I think I'm all google scholar'd out! I feel so fortunate to have you and a couple other ladies going through the exact same thing but a few steps ahead. Your odds are so high, I hope we get the same amount of hope! If it's AZFa or b microdeletion I will die, literally drop dead, RIP leila.
@JuneRoseRuby The waiting is the worst part! So much out of our control, it's so unfair. I would think that with virtual azoo, you at least know there is some sperm kicking around in there, right? And you know his body is capable of producing it. I feel like your odds are really good with finding some in there that are viable for IVF! Keep us posted after your next RE appt
@safire3 So sorry to hear about the 3rd SA, but I'm glad you guys have a plan moving forward. I casually mentioned a sperm donor last night, but in a joking way "maybe we can steal Tom Brady's sperm" (Ted reference hehe). DH responded that he knows donor sperm is an option, but it would kill him to think of another person's baby growing inside of me. He said the thought of it makes him sick to his stomach. Of course we still have a long road and I don't want to consider worst case scenarios without the data.
I honestly wish it was me instead of him. He is crushed and it's breaking my heart to see him hurting this much
@LeilaK9288 Mine is maybe similar to yours. We were hesitant to pursue ANY kind of ART... like just even going in for testing initially, I had to tell him, there's LOTS of things they can do besides ivf. Progesterone support, sometimes the woman needs surgery to remove polyps or something etc... never in a million years did I think we'd be in the 0-500 camp of one minute doing TI and all the vitamins, straight to IVF do not pass go or collect $200.
So the first RU we spoke with was pretty disheartening. A big concern of the Church comes from the identity crisis, if you wiill, they believe can accompany a donor gamete situation. So I won't go there here, but DH basically feels the same way. It's hard enough for him to wrap his head around all this medical intervention. But at least if it's still producing our biological offspring at the end of the day, he has come to terms with that much. The first doctor went on and on about all the various donor sperm options... which okay, I can see if you are a same-sex couple pursuing ivf, you already know that is what you're signing up for going in. But for pretty much any hetero couple, and plus DH having his very traditional values, explaining one day to his son/daughter that his uncle's his father (biologically) or his grandfather, or a buddy, or someone we don't even know - that, I just do not think his poor heart could abide.
For us, I wonder if his own sperm were not to be viable if even snowflake adoption might be a better fit, bc at least I'd still get to carry and birth our child, yet we each share the burden of knowing s/he were not our biological child. Still tough, but maybe also in a way, not so dissimilar from traditional adoption. Only in other ways, perhaps even preferable, because we'd be protecting such a vulnerable little embryonic life, plus getting to enjoy experiencing pregnancy together.
There's no one best way through it, and NONE of it is easy. Not even a little bit. For us, I believe that by praying on it and continuing to ask for guidance and continually searching our hearts, we will come to the right answers for our family. And you will, too. ❤
@KariAnn323 I take 200mg 2x daily of Prometrium. It's made to take orally but my RE has me using it as a suppository. They didn't take my progesterone level (I had a 7dpo check a couple months ago and basically I was told I ovulated) but it's part of this RE's office protocol when starting a medicated cycle. What kind of progesterone do you take? I agree with @50Wife maybe call and ask for a suppository? My RE also told me you don't get as many side effects when you use a suppository.
@ksmalls I had a difficult time scheduling DH's SA because of his work schedule. He has a stressful job and has to work very specific hours unless he takes off waaaay in advance. If there was an option for us to do it on a weekend, I think it would have been done quite some time ago. In any case, it's scheduled for next week!
@safire3 girl, I'm so sorry the repeat SA didn't have better news. It sounds like IVF could (hopefully) be an option for you. FX your RE appointment goes well.
Diagnosis (If you've been): still testing
Cycle/CD: cycle 15/CD6
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) SA next Tuesday!
How are things going? Meh. I'm feeling pretty defeated right now. Basically I'm trying to wrap my head around the possibility that we might never have bio kids and that's a REALLY hard pill to swallow. I know we still need to get the SA results, but I'm just feeling a bit down. Kinda hate to even admit that because there are other couples that have long/hard roads to getting KU.
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? books, knife, and what joey is doing here...
Me: 31 DH: 32 Dating since: 11/17/2001 Married: 9/26/2009 TTC: June 2016
@LeilaK9288 all the hugs to you and your H. It is so hard watching the guys go through this. I wish it was just my issues we were dealing with as well. My DH played it off last night like it was no big deal and he would be open to it. Then today he comes home and says he would only consider sperm donation if he had absolutely no viable sperm that could be used. Now he says he doesn't know how he would feel looking at the child and knowing he/she is not really his so I guess that's pretty much out for us as well.
@BusinessWife you are an amazing person. I honestly don't know if I would be able to give up the dream of having my bio child if my DH could not. Of course we are not crossing that bridge just yet so maybe my feelings would change by then.
@AlohaKumu So excited that things are starting to get busy for you. It'll be crazy but so worth it. @Kmalls *Hugs* I'm so sorry for all the disappointment. FX this is your month. @WillRunForWine21 Sorry for the BFN @mispanda FX so hard that this is your month @TravelingCouple I'm so sorry that your MIL is being so awful @JuneRoseRuby GL at your IVF consult. I'm so sorry about your friend. Does she know your situation? I think honesty is the best policy with this. @safire3 I'm sorry for SA results. @50wife@lund So I have an appointment with my OB next Friday. I'm going ask if he really thinks 200mg orally a day is enough and push for another progesterone test for this cycle. My RE appointment is September 5th. @beachbunnyxo123@aurora1973 I might try using them as suppositories next cycle. @mispanda I'm on prometrium. I'm going to push the issue more when I see my OB next Friday.
Diagnosis (If you've been): Low progesterone
Cycle/CD: 11/10
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): TWO
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Appointment with OB next Friday, going to push the progesterone issue and get official RE referral. Already have the RE appt scheduled for September 5th.
How are things going? Eh, just tired of trying the same old stuff praying for a different result. I'll go through the motions like a good girl though.
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? Ugh this is hard. A crap ton of sunscreen, a tent, and a giant flash light
@leekat14 Your ivf meds can absolutely change your tsh. I'm surprised they put you on meds (I assume levothyroxine?) if you've never had a problem before. What was your tsh now?
@AlohaKumu I can't believe we are getting so close to your retrieval! That is a lot when you combine it with the new school year, but how exciting!
@lund Ugh - sorry you are having such a difficult time with your RE As for recommendations, hair products seem to be the hardest to find, but I LOVE this line (all of it is great - but especially the big bottles of shampoo/conditioner), and it's probably the most reasonably priced of all: https://everydaycoconut.com/
@kmalls Sorry your H is being so stubborn - there are a few ladies who have encountered that, so I'll leave the advice giving up to them, and offer a hug instead
@purplg8r That's exciting you dropped of the initial paperwork - sorry that you are there, but glad things are starting to happen
@WillRunForWine21 So sorry for the BFN; FX you get a great plan for the next cycle
@mispanda Even without being on a medicated cycle, I STILL worry about doing anything strenuous in the TWW
So... I started this earlier this morning, but got sidetracked - see below... will try to come back and respond more
Diagnosis (If you've been): PCOS (likely NIR, but need to confirm with glucose tolerance test)
Cycle/CD: month 10, cycle 7, CD16
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Testing - I've done my CD3 blood work which showed PCOS imbalances; today I have an U/S to confirm the polycystic ovaries and on Thursday I have a consult with an OBGYN who specializes in PCOS
How are things going? Pretty good. I'm glad that I'm getting the testing, although I really didn't expect to get the consult so quickly; I'd been told it was a 2-6 month wait but they had a cancellation when I called, so I got in this week. I'm a bit unsure about it being an OBGYN, but it seems that is the path that we use most here in Canada - our health coverage will cover testing, but not treatment... however, most REs are at the fertility clinics, and will charge for things that would be covered in a public practice. I'm excited to talk to her, and find out how it works if we have to do medicated cycles - like how she monitors, what monitoring is OOP and what is covered, etc.
Afternoon update... I got laid off this morning. I have no idea what this will mean for TTC or if we have to do medicated cycles... I'm absolutely in shock.
Any questions? I know we've had plenty of discussions about what to ask at the RE consult, so I think I'm good there... but is there anything that I should be extra aware of with her being an OBGYN? I know PCOS is her area, which makes me more confident, but definitely open to advice!
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring?
Re: IF Treatment and Testing Check In Week of 7/17
@lund I hope you didn't think I was coming off snotty when I mentioned the rx bottle. Not what I intended but after reading it I felt a little jerkish.
@purplg8r I am a pediatric physical therapist, and I got a part time job seeing more kiddos through the early intervention system (birth to three) in their homes. So after work I will just head to a few families houses and treat kids. I am lucky that I can get into work early (7-7:30) and get out by 3-3:15 so I will be able to see kids until dinner.
AFM: **TW (MC)my best friend last night told me how hard it is to get pregnant so easily all of the time and know the symptoms right away. She did just have a MC at 5 weeks, but I was like, I have never seen a positive pregnancy test in my life and I would love to even know it was possible for me to ever have a chance at having a bio baby. I honestly don't know how to handle the situation because while I realize a MC is incredibly difficult, I just feel like I don't know how to support her when her feelings (are justified) are triggers for me.
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@LeilaK9288 ugh, waiting is the worst. FX the weeks fly by and you get some answers and a plan
@Aurora1973 I can imagine how bad the BSC gets after the first IUI... I'm sure I'll be in the same boat once I start treatment (whatever that is). FX so hard for you!
@kiwi2628 FWIW my sister said that she felt absolutely nothing with *TW* both of her pregnancies until about 5-6 weeks. *end TW*
@zwink1 FX the RU calls with some useful information and a plan.
@mispanda lol not snotty at all! It was a good point that I hadn't thought of... but the RE is the one who submitted the subscription, so you'd think he would've been the one making decisions on dosage.
AFM DHs repeat (3rd) SA came back with a count of 0.38. That is less than 1 million. We are so depressed and frustrated. Even my super optimistic husband is so down in the dumps over this. Plus he feels like he's been taking clomid and all these supplements for months for nothing. We plan to call the urologist today to check to see if he can stop the clomid. We meet with the RE on Thursday. At least we have decided that we will go ahead and start the IVF process. We still want to find out what the cause of his problem is and will pursue surgery if there is a chance it will help but that is now a long-term goal. With me turning 35 soon and already having a low AMH I think we should focus on just trying to get pregnant now.
@LeilaK9288 After all these months I also brought up the option of sperm donation with DH for the first time. Didn't want to bring it up before becuase I didn't want DH to feel like I just want any baby. Of course my preference is to have his baby but at this point I think we should at least talk about it, especially since it could save us so much money, time and added procedures. I think for now at least we would like to try IVF at least once before going that route. Of course we have to discuss all this with the RE. I am compiling a long list of questions for our appointment.
@JuneRoseRuby I don't have any good advice but I wanted to send you a hug.
Diagnosis (If you've been): unexp
Cycle/CD: 17 months
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? They would definitely be all survival related. I think I watch too much of that naked and afraid show....
TTC since June 2016
Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016
AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017
Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017
October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total)
Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen
12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP
2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN
Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone
Abnormal SIS Oct 2018
Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis.
12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN
Our journey has come to an end.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@alohakumaenjoy your downtime while you can! Busy but exciting time coming up!
@lund I just started progesterone supps as well! I’m so sorry you’re not liking your Re, I hope you can find a better option! FWIW I’m shoving meds up my hooha once a day (at night). They said my progesterone was in the 7’s.
@purplg8rI don’t blame you for covering your bases and starting EOD now – good luck!!
@RVAmom315 We met with our Re mid-June and I’m waiting for AF to show and then this cycle we will do treatment. So my second full cycle with him we’re doing treatment. Mostly for insurance purposes.
@safire3 Good luck with the results and you
@WillRunForWine21 Ugh, I’m so sorry about the BFN. I hope this last IUI is all you need!
@mispanda TWW! Good luck!!
OMG I’m finally on a computer thinking I can comment to everyone and then every time I scroll down to read more, and it bounces right back up to the top of the page. So I did what I could. I’ll be back for more later if I have some more time!
Diagnosis (If you've been): MFI – Low Count
Cycle/CD: I think Cycle 14....CD 26
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): TWW/WFAF?
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) If/when AF shows - IUI
How are things going? Eh. I was hoping for some of that HSG magic but it's looking like a no. As I was waiting for my progesterone to be delivered (which it never was, so we had to pick it up yesterday instead of getting it on Friday night), I started spotting. I called the Re's office and asked if I should even bother and she's like oh definitely, better safe than sorry - women can get implantation spotting. So after using my first progesterone supp last night, my spotting stopped this morning so now obviously I'm all like "ooohhhhhh she was probably right!!" like a dope...
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? Fire starter, a big pot/pan to boil water and cook food and probably a gigantic knife. I've watched too many survival shows and I think I could totally survive...no biggie!
I was also kinda under the assumption that it's once a day at night so you're just laying there and it stays in better/longer.
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
When is your appt? (sorry if I missed this...)
Diagnosis (If you've been): DOR
Cycle/CD: CD 12
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring? I would not do well on a deserted island so I am going to bring sunblock, a boat and someone who can drive a boat.
2017 - egg retrieval #1 - 3 eggs, 0 embryos appropriate for transfer; ER #2 2 eggs, 0 embryos on day 3; ER #3 1 egg 0 embryos
moved to donor egg in summer 2017; 35 eggs retrieved; 19 fertilized; 9 total embryos
Fresh transfer Dec 2017= BFP! baby boy born 8/22/18
May 2019 - surprise natural pregnancy ended in MC
Nov 2019 FET; MC at 9 weeks
May 2020 FET; BFN
July 2020 FET; CP treated with methotrexate
Oct 2020 BFP!
Take a look at my blog
@safire3 sorry about the crummy news. Hopefully your RE will hsve done answers on Thursday.
@saralee797-2 FX the 24th comes quickly!
@50Wife fx the HSG Magic is there!
@laurad75 you're amazing!!! I can't imagine completing anything like a triathalon - you go girl!!!
@laurad75 A rollercoaster indeed! I hope things even out for you soon, and especially that you get more info on the timing of your DE cycle. I'm sure you're ready to move forward already! I saw Cheap Trick a few years ago, and they were freaking amazing! Glad you got to enjoy that.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@RVAmom315 our first treatment cycle was our second cycle (that I was back in the states for) with the RE. Our first RE appt was on CD3, so I was able to just go through that cycle and get all appropriate BW and imaging, and then just go.
@WillRunForWine21 so sorry for the negative test. Hugs
@TravelingCouple I am sorry your MIL is such a ho. Those are terrible things to say. So many hugs.
@KariAnn323 I second @aurora1973 my RE told me that I could take my prometrium orally or vaginally
@JuneRoseRuby The waiting is the worst part! So much out of our control, it's so unfair. I would think that with virtual azoo, you at least know there is some sperm kicking around in there, right? And you know his body is capable of producing it. I feel like your odds are really good with finding some in there that are viable for IVF! Keep us posted after your next RE appt
@safire3 So sorry to hear about the 3rd SA, but I'm glad you guys have a plan moving forward. I casually mentioned a sperm donor last night, but in a joking way "maybe we can steal Tom Brady's sperm" (Ted reference hehe). DH responded that he knows donor sperm is an option, but it would kill him to think of another person's baby growing inside of me. He said the thought of it makes him sick to his stomach. Of course we still have a long road and I don't want to consider worst case scenarios without the data.
I honestly wish it was me instead of him. He is crushed and it's breaking my heart to see him hurting this much
Mine is maybe similar to yours. We were hesitant to pursue ANY kind of ART... like just even going in for testing initially, I had to tell him, there's LOTS of things they can do besides ivf. Progesterone support, sometimes the woman needs surgery to remove polyps or something etc... never in a million years did I think we'd be in the 0-500 camp of one minute doing TI and all the vitamins, straight to IVF do not pass go or collect $200.
So the first RU we spoke with was pretty disheartening. A big concern of the Church comes from the identity crisis, if you wiill, they believe can accompany a donor gamete situation. So I won't go there here, but DH basically feels the same way. It's hard enough for him to wrap his head around all this medical intervention. But at least if it's still producing our biological offspring at the end of the day, he has come to terms with that much. The first doctor went on and on about all the various donor sperm options... which okay, I can see if you are a same-sex couple pursuing ivf, you already know that is what you're signing up for going in. But for pretty much any hetero couple, and plus DH having his very traditional values, explaining one day to his son/daughter that his uncle's his father (biologically) or his grandfather, or a buddy, or someone we don't even know - that, I just do not think his poor heart could abide.
For us, I wonder if his own sperm were not to be viable if even snowflake adoption might be a better fit, bc at least I'd still get to carry and birth our child, yet we each share the burden of knowing s/he were not our biological child. Still tough, but maybe also in a way, not so dissimilar from traditional adoption. Only in other ways, perhaps even preferable, because we'd be protecting such a vulnerable little embryonic life, plus getting to enjoy experiencing pregnancy together.
There's no one best way through it, and NONE of it is easy. Not even a little bit. For us, I believe that by praying on it and continuing to ask for guidance and continually searching our hearts, we will come to the right answers for our family. And you will, too. ❤
*typos/clarity
@aurora1973 the BSC never goes away, does it?
@safire3 girl, I'm so sorry the repeat SA didn't have better news. It sounds like IVF could (hopefully) be an option for you. FX your RE appointment goes well.
Cycle/CD: cycle 15/CD6
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring?
books, knife, and what joey is doing here...
Dating since: 11/17/2001
Married: 9/26/2009
TTC: June 2016
EDD: 5/14/2018
@BusinessWife you are an amazing person. I honestly don't know if I would be able to give up the dream of having my bio child if my DH could not. Of course we are not crossing that bridge just yet so maybe my feelings would change by then.
@Kmalls *Hugs* I'm so sorry for all the disappointment. FX this is your month.
@WillRunForWine21 Sorry for the BFN
@mispanda FX so hard that this is your month
@TravelingCouple I'm so sorry that your MIL is being so awful
@JuneRoseRuby GL at your IVF consult. I'm so sorry about your friend. Does she know your situation? I think honesty is the best policy with this.
@safire3 I'm sorry for SA results.
@50wife @lund So I have an appointment with my OB next Friday. I'm going ask if he really thinks 200mg orally a day is enough and push for another progesterone test for this cycle. My RE appointment is September 5th.
@beachbunnyxo123 @aurora1973 I might try using them as suppositories next cycle.
@mispanda I'm on prometrium. I'm going to push the issue more when I see my OB next Friday.
Diagnosis (If you've been): Low progesterone
Cycle/CD: 11/10
Any questions?
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring?
Ugh this is hard. A crap ton of sunscreen, a tent, and a giant flash light
Dating: 2/2007 Married: 4/2011
TTC #1: 9/2016
*TW*
BFP #2: 3/9/2017 - CP: 3/10/2017
08/2017: DH's SA = normal
08/2017: Low progesterone (4.6) all other BW normal
11/2017: HSG Clear; Pelvic Ultrasound Normal; and AMH, FSH, and Estradiol normal
12/2017: 1,000mg Metformin
12/2017: 50mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: 100mg Clomid + TI = BFN
01/2018: RE Consult
03/2018: 5mg Letrozole + 50 units Gonal-F + 500 μg Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #3: 4/1/2018 - CP: 4/4/2018
04/2018: 5mg Letrozole + Gonal-F + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP #4: 5/2/18
@lund Ugh - sorry you are having such a difficult time with your RE
@kmalls Sorry your H is being so stubborn - there are a few ladies who have encountered that, so I'll leave the advice giving up to them, and offer a hug instead
@purplg8r That's exciting you dropped of the initial paperwork - sorry that you are there, but glad things are starting to happen
@WillRunForWine21 So sorry for the BFN; FX you get a great plan for the next cycle
@mispanda Even without being on a medicated cycle, I STILL worry about doing anything strenuous in the TWW
@beachbunnyxo123 Keeping my FX for you!
@TravelingCouple Ugh, big hugs girl... so sorry things are rough right now - also, WTF to your MIL
@Aurora1973 So glad that you were able to nail the timing
@JuneRoseRuby I'm so excited for your consult!
@LeilaK9288 Sorry you are in the benched phase - but I'm glad you guys found a good doctor and can hopefully get some answers soon
@kiwi2628 Hopefully it's a good thing that you aren't feeling anything from the meds
@leekat14 and @saralee797-2 I can't wait for you to test - we need more unicorns!!!
@zwink1 Hopefully the results will come back soon, and you guys can get things going
@safire3 Sorry the results weren't great
So... I started this earlier this morning, but got sidetracked - see below... will try to come back and respond more
Cycle/CD: month 10, cycle 7, CD16
Afternoon update... I got laid off this morning. I have no idea what this will mean for TTC or if we have to do medicated cycles... I'm absolutely in shock.
Any questions? I know we've had plenty of discussions about what to ask at the RE consult, so I think I'm good there... but is there anything that I should be extra aware of with her being an OBGYN? I know PCOS is her area, which makes me more confident, but definitely open to advice!
GTKY: If you were on a deserted island and could only have 3 things what would you bring?