@GraysonsMama, I like that you stand by your religious convictions. While I don't agree with your beliefs on the genetics/biology of transgenderism, I respect that you stand by your religion and defend it.
Momma to Amelia Marie (7/14) and Austin Samuel (11/17). Adding baby (girl) #3 on 7/21
Haha objectively true? The only thing that is objectively true is that a person is born with XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes. Everything else is opinion and person belief which is what I'm expressing. You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, that's it.
I usually stay out of heated topics. But that's scientifically not true. It is not as simple as being born with XY or XX. First, scientifically, there have been people that have been born with sexual gene mutations, (getically XY but have female genitalia for example). Additionally, those who have have had the NIPT can verify that there are other sex chromosomal issues that can take place. So it's not cut and dry XY and XX. I will try and attach my personal genetic paperwork so you can see that there are other scientific reason it's not so.
This has nothing to do with the sex/gender topic, but just an FYI on your test results......I think the test results you have pictured aren't an indication of variability in your baby's genetics but a percentage of test accuracy based on the quality of DNA obtained from your sample. From an article I found regarding how these "sensitivities" work:
"The test runs on small fragments of placental DNA in the mother’s bloodstream. In most situations, the fetus and placenta share identical DNA. However rare, placental mosaicism does occur. In that case, a woman could get an incorrect NIPS result. Her placenta may carry a trisomy while the actual baby does not, or vice versa."
Just in case you might worry about any abnormalities or anything...it's something I thought about as well when I got my results.
Momma to Amelia Marie (7/14) and Austin Samuel (11/17). Adding baby (girl) #3 on 7/21
Haha objectively true? The only thing that is objectively true is that a person is born with XX chromosomes or XY chromosomes. Everything else is opinion and person belief which is what I'm expressing. You don't agree with me and I don't agree with you, that's it.
I usually stay out of heated topics. But that's scientifically not true. It is not as simple as being born with XY or XX. First, scientifically, there have been people that have been born with sexual gene mutations, (getically XY but have female genitalia for example). Additionally, those who have have had the NIPT can verify that there are other sex chromosomal issues that can take place. So it's not cut and dry XY and XX. I will try and attach my personal genetic paperwork so you can see that there are other scientific reason it's not so.
This has nothing to do with the sex/gender topic, but just an FYI on your test results......I think the test results you have pictured aren't an indication of variability in your baby's genetics but a percentage of test accuracy based on the quality of DNA obtained from your sample. From an article I found regarding how these "sensitivities" work:
"The test runs on small fragments of placental DNA in the mother’s bloodstream. In most situations, the fetus and placenta share identical DNA. However rare, placental mosaicism does occur. In that case, a woman could get an incorrect NIPS result. Her placenta may carry a trisomy while the actual baby does not, or vice versa."
Just in case you might worry about any abnormalities or anything...it's something I thought about as well when I got my results.
Those aren't my actual readings, it's the second page where they show the sensitivity of the test and I suppose other abnormalities the test *may* be able to detect. I was just using this as an example that sex/gender isn't always as simple as XY or XX. There can be mutations of the genes, deletions, mosaics etc etc. I'm really not super knowledgeable, other than knowing than sex is determined chromosomally, and here can be abnormalities during development just like with any of the other chromosomes.
My UO today is that I think spray on sunscreen is stupid. I was in the sun at the pool for 20 MINUTES and my back looks more red than a Roma tomato. Everyone else that used the same bottle is fine. Although i shouldn't really complain too much, as it was probably user error
@splsmama2016 My husband always uses the spray on stuff. I'll admit, it's easy, but it never seems like I really get even coverage, and I don't need streaks of sunburn! Hubby is Native American on his dad's side, so he doesn't burn to a crisp quite as easily as I do! I stick to lotion.
Married May 2014 DD born August 2016 Baby #2 due December 2017
@splsmama2016 I hate the spray sunscreen. I always get streaky and when you spray it, it usually gets on someone else/all your stuff if there is wind, which, at the beach, there usually is. I stopped using the spray last year and only use the lotion now.
Me: 33 DH: 34 Married: Oct 2015 TTC #1: Sept 2016 BFP: 10/19/16 ~ blighted ovum ~ D&C 11/23/16 BFP: 3/24/17 DD1 born 12/2/17 TTC #2: July 2018 BFP: 8/26/18 DD2 born 5/16/19
+1 to hating spray sunscreen. You still need to rub it in, so you still get sunscreen on your hands. And it's all splotchy. Plus, then you have a better chance of inhaling the sunscreen, which is questionable on safety.
I see @jackiesmom324 posted something, but I haven't had a chance to read or post any other credible studies. I had one pulled yesterday afternoon, but my computer shut down and I'll need to refind it. Last night's meeting went late and today's shaping up to be a busy day at work.
** December BMB Siggy Challenge - Animals in Pools **
Me: 31+ H: 32 TTC Since 11/2015 #1 - MMC 6.5 weeks (2/16); #2 - MC due to cystic hygroma at 20 weeks (10/16); #3 CP (2/17); #4 - Due 12.16.17
@jackiesmom324 I read the first article you posted and I think that would can all agree that violence is not to be condoned. What stood out for me is that it states that transgender people have a "strong sense" that their gender is wrong. I don't disagree with this statement. But I find the word "sense" to be very telling and appropriate. I couldn't read the second one without paying for it so I don't have any thoughts about that one I am more than willing to continue this conversation with anyone in private message if it has become annoying to fellow bumpies.
Re: UO 6/15
That is from the New England Journal of Medicine, arguably one of the most prestigious medical journals.
Edited to add one more reference:
This is a long exhaustive list of articles speaking to the issues we are talking about from arell respected Endocrinology journal.
https://www.endo.theclinics.com/article/S0889-8529(13)00050-9/references
"The test runs on small fragments of placental DNA in the mother’s bloodstream. In most situations, the fetus and placenta share identical DNA. However rare, placental mosaicism does occur. In that case, a woman could get an incorrect NIPS result. Her placenta may carry a trisomy while the actual baby does not, or vice versa."
Just in case you might worry about any abnormalities or anything...it's something I thought about as well when I got my results.
Married May 2014
DD born August 2016
Baby #2 due December 2017
Married: Oct 2015
TTC #1: Sept 2016
BFP: 10/19/16 ~ blighted ovum ~ D&C 11/23/16
BFP: 3/24/17
TTC #2: July 2018
BFP: 8/26/18
I see @jackiesmom324 posted something, but I haven't had a chance to read or post any other credible studies. I had one pulled yesterday afternoon, but my computer shut down and I'll need to refind it. Last night's meeting went late and today's shaping up to be a busy day at work.
** December BMB Siggy Challenge - Animals in Pools **
Me: 31+ H: 32
TTC Since 11/2015
#1 - MMC 6.5 weeks (2/16); #2 - MC due to cystic hygroma at 20 weeks (10/16); #3 CP (2/17); #4 - Due 12.16.17
I am more than willing to continue this conversation with anyone in private message if it has become annoying to fellow bumpies.