@Myelhsa I wanted to acknowledge your bravery for sharing your POV on a topic where you are very much in the minority. I don't agree with you, but I appreciate you sharing your thoughts.
And while I'm here... the reason many life-threatening diseases like polio are essentially eradicated in the USA is because of the herd immunity. If you break away from the herd and don't vaccinate, you give these diseases a greater chance of coming back (along with the risk of paralysis, death, etc. for your child). I'm not saying vaccines are 100% safe, but measles, polio and other diseases we can vaccinate against are 100% dangerous.
I'm vaccinating for so many reasons. - I want my children to be able to travel to and interact with people from developing countries. - I want to prevent devastating things from happening from them, when possible. - I want them to be able to see the best doctors, attend the schools of our choice, go to summer camp and swim lessons, be invited to birthday parties and other activities that require vaccines. - I want to make sure we aren't endangering the lives of others who might be too young, too sick or otherwise unable to be vaccinated themselves.
If you don't want these things for your kids, that's your right. But you sure as $*&! better keep your darling little cesspools away from my family. One last thought for anyone considering not vaccinating: If there were a cancer vaccine with the same success rates and risks as the existing vaccines you are refusing, would you take it? If yes, why?
I'm a teacher and I wish that vaccinations were mandatory in order to attend a public school. The amount of students I had whose parents opted out of their boosters was staggering. If you don't want to vaccinate, then homeschool. It is unfair that you are putting my daughter, my unborn child, and all the other children in the school at risk.
As for the HPV vaccine, I will absolutely opt in for my daughter. People have sex, I'm not so naive to think that my daughter will be any different. I will teach her about safe sex, but people make mistakes. If I can take this step to potentially protect her from cervical cancer, I will.
My sister in law does delayed scheduling because her hubby is severely allergic to a lot of medications and was allergic to some vaccines when he was a kid. They are just doing it slowly to keep any eye out for that. We vaccine all our kiddos on time
I'm a delayed scheduler here. I love vaccines, all the vaccines. The babies are so tiny though. Plus vac no vac seems so political these days that I find it harder and harder to trust research and claims on either side, because anyone with a stance seems so fired up about it, you wonder how many studies have a bias.
@Sparklelily it's impossible to conduct any kind of research without some kind of bias, we're humans. That said, thats why studies have so many controls, rules and parameters; they attempt to make the research as replicable and unbiased as possible. In my opinion, it's less the research that is biased (although, like I said, some bias is unavoidable) and more the articles that other people write based off of that research- they pick and choose how to interpret things.
I recommend that when you (and anyone) do research these things, look at the actual original experiment/research paper, and not just articles discussing it. The original will contain things like number of participants, method, raw data/results, etc. And you can interpret the results how you think they should be interpreted, without someone else's words slanting them.
It is unfortunate, though, how hard it can be to obtain original research. You have to be a member of specific databases for a lot of it. Some libraries do grant this access.
eta: and if you're a college student, you definitely have access to any research you want.
@bluejeanbabi05 You hit the nail on the head. Don't worry I hate stupid blog post that think they know things. The most frustrating thing is that we don't have access to the studies that we want to see. My husband and I love to feel educated and we feel like we are in the partially in the dark on vaccines. We like our doctor, while he is certainly not pro delayed schedule have been able to work with him to pick our schedule. Which we honestly only switch 3 or 4 and at 18 months he was completely up to date, so nothing extreme here.
The initial HPV vaccine protected against 4 strains the current one protects against 9. They picked those particular strains because they are most likely to cause cervical cancer. The age range is low because your immune system is stronger at younger ages (this is why older people have more cancer- the immune cells that destroy early cancer do not function as well).
Now the current recommendation is to start Pap smears at 21 (not 18 or sexual debut) and to repeat every 3 years unless you are high risk. High risk means you tested positive for A HPV strand that causes cervical cancer.
As more males begin vaccination those recs will likly change again.
It it is not about telling little girls you are safe now this shot will protect you. Because there is still HIV, herpes, and other STIs but saying let's protect you from the number one cause of cancer deaths in women prior to the 1950's.
I have to agree with @Myelhsa regarding eating healthy and making a huge difference with your immune system. I say this because I have witnessed it, experienced it between myself and dh, and read so many others' experiences that make it next to impossible to ignore. Sure, not everyone will have perfect, amazing health because they eat perfectly and exercise like they should. But to dh and I, personally, the facts are hard to deny. Also, that being said, I am not a crunchy, all-organic and gmo-free eater. Because, life. And I'm lazy. And kids.
Thank you @sjohns08. We just spend too much time catering to big-pharma. Medicine can be good in very rare occasions, but on most occasions some TLC and a good diet will carry us so much further.
**********lurking************ while I will say that a healthy (preservative free/no GMO/no antibiotic) diet can and absolutely will affect your health and well being in a positive way, to say that it is the same as getting vaccinated is just laughable. Also medication and vaccines are two different things, medications are substances (some natural some synthetic) you take to treat an illness or condition and vaccines are inactivated viral organisms that are introduced into your body to invoke a false immune response to build up immunity to a certain disease (you have things called memory cells that always remember when your body has fought a particular virus/bacteria), And while we are on the topic of "big pharma" vaccines make up a measley 2-3% of their annual profit margin. Trust me when I tell you they are far more interested in getting prescription drugs and chemo to people than they are about vaccinations. I think the data behind vaccinations should be enough to speak for itself, I mean irradicating an entire disease from a population that used to kill thousands? I think the question asked by PP about a cancer vaccine with the same results, would you take it is a great question! I'm curious to know what is exactly in vaccines that makes you uneasy? The virus itself? Please for the love of everything don't tell me it's the formaldehyde........
for us and flu. i am hit or miss if i get it, i think i have got it like 4 times total in my life. but with my last oct baby, pedi and OB and primary all recommended i get the shot a couple months before oct. that way the baby gets it through me or sumshit.
also i feel like i am going to get in trouble for my lack of use of commas and oxford commas in this post.
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We need someone to put @myelhsa in her damn place, since obviously she has everyone else here living in fear of her.
She has personally victimized me.
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@bluejeanbabi05 I have to make up for you poor mobile Bumpies.
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Definitely pro-vax, but know a few people personally that are strongly against it. I have only seen one of them become aggressive when speaking on the subject though (besides on TB in the past, these threads can get juicy). I do for the most part eat as much organic/non-gmo as possible(I know that doesn't relate but I saw it up in the thread).
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I recommend that when you (and anyone) do research these things, look at the actual original experiment/research paper, and not just articles discussing it. The original will contain things like number of participants, method, raw data/results, etc. And you can interpret the results how you think they should be interpreted, without someone else's words slanting them.
**SNIP**
Stuck in a box: I wish the statistics in the original were truly unbiased, stats wizards have a way of making the data/results support certain conclusions... it's frustrating!
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@Sparklelily - so my argument on delayed scheduling when people say "babies are so little" is that there were more proteins found in one smallpox vaccine than there are in the entire childhood vaccine schedule now, they can vaccinate for more diseases with less antigens given to mount the immune response. So while it seems like a lot of shots (and honestly the only one that was really hard for me both times was the 1 year vaccines where there are like 4 injections), the majority of them are combo vaccines and really not "too much". It's bothering you more than it's bothering them. Like I said previously, as long as you're actually vaccinating I don't really care how/when you do it but I prefer to follow the schedule and you're really just making it harder on yourself spreading them out. But, just something to think about..
We are all about vaccinating but I am legitimately curious about the reasonings for those who don't (other than the Autism "argument"). My SIL/BIL are anti-Vax but they say it's because they're unnatural and not what God intended. That our bodies already have what they need to fight off sicknesses. Because of this they also don't take medications- whether OTC or prescription.
However two things: 1) They would go through chemo if they were diagnosed with cancer 2) She (SIL) opted to induce both of her kids a week early for absolutely no reason other than she couldn't wait.
I guess I'm just curious if anyone who holds a similar view could help me understand how someone can pick and choose what is natural vs. what isn't?
Yeah I don't get the "natural is best" peeps that pick and choose. I have an acquaintance who goes on and on about natural this and natural that and "putting that crap in your bodies is SO toxic" while standing there with her fake hair and her fake nails and fake boobs and chain smoking while pregnant. Her baby won't get vaccines, but probably WILL get lung cancer from second hand smoke by the time he's three...makes no sense at all.
@ac1259 That makes me feel much better about this next baby, who we more than likely will follow the schedule for. So maybe I should explain before I get labeled a crazy. I probably don't even qualify for a delayed vaccer. We were on schedule up until the one year shots. My son has been a precocious talker since nine months old. At 10 months old he had a 25 word spoken vocabulary. By 11 months he had lost all but three words and stopped signing and waving goodbye. At his 12 month appointment nothing had changed. Being a speech therapist and having the line "regression is never normal" drilled into my head, I was panicking. All I knew is that I didn't want anything done to him until we figured out what was going on or he went back to normal. By 18 months his language and social skills were flourishing again and we got his shots that we missed 6 months earlier. I still stand by what I originally said about hating feeling like I'm in the dark about vaccines.
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We do selective vaccines on a delayed schedule. I breastfeed and we homeschool (no daycare) so I feel like there's not as great a need to get all of the vaccines done, we don't do them before one year, and we only do one at a time. I won't do vaccines like HPV or hepatitis, though I will encourage them to get the hepatitis one when they're older.
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If anyone is Kosher, many vaccines are actually considered "unclean". Fun fact!
@clanbuchanan15 You've totally been active recently, so please come share more about what you meant.
I will say, a quick Google search of "vaccines" and "kosher" reveal many legit-looking Jewish sources (including many rabbis) that explain that injecting these ingredients via vaccinations is fine, it's just eating them that's a no-no. I'm not Jewish, so I can't speak to individual beliefs, but I do personally have Orthodox Jewish friends that vaccinate their kids. Lastly, are you Jewish? If not, I find it a little strange that you're arguing this particular point.
We are absolutely following the recommended schedule for all vaccines. The only time we strayed from this for DS is when he was sick at 12 months, so we went back 2 weeks later. I believe that vaccines are important for my children's well being and it's our responsibility to ensure that we are doing our part in protecting those that can't vaccinate due to age or health issues. We were also very adamant about our families having their tdap booster before seeing DS when he was a newborn.
For me personally, I choose not to use any vaccines that use monkey tissue or fetal tissue (assuming the fetal tissue is acquired by abortions). All other arguments aside, I don't want to inject my body with these specific ingredients for religious reasons.
I am not a Jew but I do keep the food laws recorded in the old testament. Not even bacon @virginiaham although beef bacon is like my top favorite food in the whole world! I hope that answers your questions without causing offense
Re: POTD: Vaccinations
And while I'm here... the reason many life-threatening diseases like polio are essentially eradicated in the USA is because of the herd immunity. If you break away from the herd and don't vaccinate, you give these diseases a greater chance of coming back (along with the risk of paralysis, death, etc. for your child). I'm not saying vaccines are 100% safe, but measles, polio and other diseases we can vaccinate against are 100% dangerous.
I'm vaccinating for so many reasons.
- I want my children to be able to travel to and interact with people from developing countries.
- I want to prevent devastating things from happening from them, when possible.
- I want them to be able to see the best doctors, attend the schools of our choice, go to summer camp and swim lessons, be invited to birthday parties and other activities that require vaccines.
- I want to make sure we aren't endangering the lives of others who might be too young, too sick or otherwise unable to be vaccinated themselves.
If you don't want these things for your kids, that's your right. But you sure as $*&! better keep your darling little cesspools away from my family. One last thought for anyone considering not vaccinating: If there were a cancer vaccine with the same success rates and risks as the existing vaccines you are refusing, would you take it? If yes, why?
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BFP 2/3/17...edd 10/13/17
As for the HPV vaccine, I will absolutely opt in for my daughter. People have sex, I'm not so naive to think that my daughter will be any different. I will teach her about safe sex, but people make mistakes. If I can take this step to potentially protect her from cervical cancer, I will.
We vaccine all our kiddos on time
I recommend that when you (and anyone) do research these things, look at the actual original experiment/research paper, and not just articles discussing it. The original will contain things like number of participants, method, raw data/results, etc. And you can interpret the results how you think they should be interpreted, without someone else's words slanting them.
It is unfortunate, though, how hard it can be to obtain original research. You have to be a member of specific databases for a lot of it. Some libraries do grant this access.
eta: and if you're a college student, you definitely have access to any research you want.
You hit the nail on the head. Don't worry I hate stupid blog post that think they know things. The most frustrating thing is that we don't have access to the studies that we want to see. My husband and I love to feel educated and we feel like we are in the partially in the dark on vaccines. We like our doctor, while he is certainly not pro delayed schedule have been able to work with him to pick our schedule. Which we honestly only switch 3 or 4 and at 18 months he was completely up to date, so nothing extreme here.
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Now the current recommendation is to start Pap smears at 21 (not 18 or sexual debut) and to repeat every 3 years unless you are high risk. High risk means you tested positive for A HPV strand that causes cervical cancer.
As more males begin vaccination those recs will likly change again.
It it is not about telling little girls you are safe now this shot will protect you. Because there is still HIV, herpes, and other STIs but saying let's protect you from the number one cause of cancer deaths in women prior to the 1950's.
while I will say that a healthy (preservative free/no GMO/no antibiotic) diet can and absolutely will affect your health and well being in a positive way, to say that it is the same as getting vaccinated is just laughable. Also medication and vaccines are two different things, medications are substances (some natural some synthetic) you take to treat an illness or condition and vaccines are inactivated viral organisms that are introduced into your body to invoke a false immune response to build up immunity to a certain disease (you have things called memory cells that always remember when your body has fought a particular virus/bacteria), And while we are on the topic of "big pharma" vaccines make up a measley 2-3% of their annual profit margin. Trust me when I tell you they are far more interested in getting prescription drugs and chemo to people than they are about vaccinations. I think the data behind vaccinations should be enough to speak for itself, I mean irradicating an entire disease from a population that used to kill thousands? I think the question asked by PP about a cancer vaccine with the same results, would you take it is a great question! I'm curious to know what is exactly in vaccines that makes you uneasy? The virus itself? Please for the love of everything don't tell me it's the formaldehyde........
also i feel like i am going to get in trouble for my lack of use of commas and oxford commas in this post.
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*eye roll*
also fffc - i giggle when they get shots. bc they are so happy go lucky then all the sudden they are like.
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https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
If anyone is Kosher, many vaccines are actually considered "unclean". Fun fact!
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“Happiness can be found even in the darkest of times,
if one only remembers to turn on the light."
- Albus Dumbledore
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I will say, a quick Google search of "vaccines" and "kosher" reveal many legit-looking Jewish sources (including many rabbis) that explain that injecting these ingredients via vaccinations is fine, it's just eating them that's a no-no. I'm not Jewish, so I can't speak to individual beliefs, but I do personally have Orthodox Jewish friends that vaccinate their kids. Lastly, are you Jewish? If not, I find it a little strange that you're arguing this particular point.
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We were also very adamant about our families having their tdap booster before seeing DS when he was a newborn.
I am not a Jew but I do keep the food laws recorded in the old testament. Not even bacon @virginiaham
I hope that answers your questions without causing offense