Well duh, people who eat properly are naturally immune to deadly diseases. All us lazy moms relying on science to keep our kids safe instead of just feeding them good foods! ETA: GMO's weren't even around and people's diets were much better back when these diseases were killing people by the thousands.
First off, we vaccinate our kids and I find it irresponsible not to. Full disclosure though, I strongly believe that what is contained in vaccines can be harmful to your long-term health, as I believe this about all artificial preservatives, etc. BUT and I emphasize the "but", I feel the trade off is worth it when trying to prevent deadly diseases in my children
On a totally unrelated-to-vaccines note (because I don't believe that eating completely healthy is an appropriate substitute for vaccines), I have to agree with @Myelhsa regarding eating healthy and making a huge difference with your immune system. I say this because I have witnessed it, experienced it between myself and dh, and read so many others' experiences that make it next to impossible to ignore. Sure, not everyone will have perfect, amazing health because they eat perfectly and exercise like they should. But to dh and I, personally, the facts are hard to deny. Also, that being said, I am not a crunchy, all-organic and gmo-free eater. Because, life. And I'm lazy. And kids.
@bluejeanbabi05 Wikipedia is your unbiased source?! Up until a few years ago you couldn't even use them as a credible source for term papers in school.
@kdeola We also don't have have the same diseases we had back then. My kids chances for getting polio aren't high enough for me to put it in her voluntary. Nope nope nope.
Good point made by several - while I opted out of HPV vaccine for myself, by the time DD is old enough for the vaccine, there will be a lot more research done on it. I'm not adamantly opposed to it for her - I wasn't even adamantly opposed to it for me. But finally felt like, due to my sexual history, family history and my age when it really even became a "thing," it wasn't for me. Will definitely do more research and consult with her pediatrician when she gets to the age that it's recommended.
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All vaccinations on time. And this is much like proper car seat usage, it's not really to each his own blah blah, this is your child's safety and well being we are talking about.
We do all of the standard vaccines with 2 exceptions. 1) We don't do the Hep B vaccine at birth, but wait a week and have it done at a newborn visit (reasoning for this is that some of the side effects/reactions could be hard to notice if baby hasn't shown you what their "normal" is, also I prefer to wait until nursing is established) 2) We will not do HPV until/unless the research becomes a little bit more clear to support it.
I have to agree with @Myelhsa regarding eating healthy and making a huge difference with your immune system. I say this because I have witnessed it, experienced it between myself and dh, and read so many others' experiences that make it next to impossible to ignore. Sure, not everyone will have perfect, amazing health because they eat perfectly and exercise like they should. But to dh and I, personally, the facts are hard to deny. Also, that being said, I am not a crunchy, all-organic and gmo-free eater. Because, life. And I'm lazy. And kids.
Thank you @sjohns08. We just spend too much time catering to big-pharma. Medicine can be good in very rare occasions, but on most occasions some TLC and a good diet will carry us so much further.
I have to agree with @Myelhsa regarding eating healthy and making a huge difference with your immune system. I say this because I have witnessed it, experienced it between myself and dh, and read so many others' experiences that make it next to impossible to ignore. Sure, not everyone will have perfect, amazing health because they eat perfectly and exercise like they should. But to dh and I, personally, the facts are hard to deny. Also, that being said, I am not a crunchy, all-organic and gmo-free eater. Because, life. And I'm lazy. And kids.
Thank you @sjohns08. We just spend too much time catering to big-pharma. Medicine can be good in very rare occasions, but on most occasions some TLC and a good diet will carry us so much further.
Go ahead and keep thinking I was totally backing you up. I take ALL the pills.
Absolutely vaccinating. Not even a question. I apparently need another MMR booster after I deliver and got a TDAP when my niece was born. I like science.
When I worked in a horrid office call center type job I got my first flu shot in my early 20s purely because I got to leave my cubicle for 20 minutes to get my free shot at the office's yearly clinic. Worth it.
I typically got them every year they were offered for free at work because it literally took little to no effort.
My last 3 years working in HR I organized our flu shot clinic....so I felt like I had to get one with everyone else.
ive never had the flu. Coincidence, probably, but whatev.
That being said, now having a child, I'm proactively all for vaccines. Everyone one of them. Give me all the vaccines, and give them all to her too. I made my parents get the TDAP and flu (as well as DH of course) before visiting DD as a newborn. They thought I was crazy but they did it anyway. I guess they love me. DD was born in September so I was actually legitimately worried about illness going into the fall and I'll have the same concerns with this baby too.
I realize none of this was pertinent information. I just wanted to participate today.
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You can talk science all you want, but I think the term you're looking for is "Science Fraud". And before you get on me about using an "unbiased source", check the end notes. Tons of medical references ending in .org. Just because they support my stance doesn't make them any less factual.
I'm jealous of people who can convince their families to get their boosters in order to visit their baby. My dad does it because he's all about doing whatever it takes to not get sick, and he has done so when I brought it up. But my mom and dh refuse to and dh refuses to say anything to MIL. It makes me so frickin mad.
Let's just use an example of how my IL's are: DS had a gross cough this weekend, so dh called mil to say we wouldn't be at easter because SIL had just had a baby last week and we didn't want her and her baby getting sick from ds. She threw an absolute fit over it, called SIL, called dh back and said SIL "doesn't care" so we were to come to easter anyways. That will tell you how concerned they are about germs and illness. This is also coming from my MIL who had a cold but I didn't know it until after she held my 3 week old all freaking day at easter 3 years ago. Sure enough, I was up with a newborn that night who came down with a cold.
@sjohns08 That's awful. I'm so afraid of whooping cough - anyone else live in NYC a few years ago when they had the whooping cough PSA commercials? I absolutely HATED the sound of that baby coughing. No one without a booster is coming anywhere near my house after the baby is born.
YES! On time! Also extremely passionate about this topic. My husband is a doctor and I am a masters prepared nurse working in the NICU. The medical research is clear. In my career, I have also cared for many infants who have suffered and unfortunately died from diseases that could've been prevented by immunizations.
@migdala we had that PSA here too. It's awful, but that's the reality and some people just don't get it. My MIL is also strangely against anything natural and is instead all about pills and running to the dr for every little thing. Yet refuses to get her boosters and is so lax about germs. It's maddening
You can talk science all you want, but I think the term you're looking for is "Science Fraud". And before you get on me about using an "unbiased source", check the end notes. Tons of medical references ending in .org. Just because they support my stance doesn't make them any less factual.
@KDeola- I disagree with not wanting the chicken pox vaccines, many children have horrendous cases of it and if they get the disease as a child they're also still at risk for shingles. It's not always a "minor" illness.
We vaccinate all vaccinations on time, none of this "lets spread it out between multiple appointments and jab my kid with needles once a month" or whatever BS. And absolutely flu shot. The one year I delayed (last year) because my now 4 year old had just gotten over her fear of the doctor and I was trying to hold out for the nasal mist and then switched practices, she got the flu. She was sick for a month and was sicker than I've ever seen. 105 temperatures are scary as hell, and this year when she got her shot I reminded her of how sick she was before and how this would help to prevent it.
I also do any additional vaccines that may be possible such as the RSV vaccine only offered to preemies. DD2 was only eligible because she had a sibling under the age of 2 at home and was born at 34 weeks. Thank God she got that vaccine because when she finally got RSV at the age of 3 she was hospitalized in the PICU. I have no idea what would've happened if she had gotten it earlier..it was scary at 3!
@KDeola- I disagree with not wanting the chicken pox vaccines, many children have horrendous cases of it and if they get the disease as a child they're also still at risk for shingles. It's not always a "minor" illness.
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Science is great, vaccinate your kids :-P
To the bolded... YES! Especially the Shingles. Even if you get a minor case of the chicken pox, shingles are NO JOKE. We had a mom on my last BMB who got the shingles when she was pregnant. That just sounds absolutely miserable. So even if you think chicken pox are NBD (which for many kids they are but for many others they are serious) save your kids from the shingles!
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Also, DH and his siblings all are not vaccinated for pertussis because of a reaction when he was a baby and a recommendation from a doctor. I've even discussed it with our PCP because I'm the jerk who thinks his "reaction" wasn't actually legitimate (he was extra fussy for a day after the shot) and he could probably be vaccinated but our PCP doesn't think it's a good idea. So I can't say "you can't see my babies unless you're fully vaccinated" because then their dad and aunt and uncle wouldn't be allowed to see them. But I definitely support herd immunity because it keeps everyone in my family safe!
@ac1259. I've had shingles THREE times as an adult. (don't ask me what's wrong with me...no idea) The last 2 cases were much milder than the first, but still very painful and uncomfortable. If I can prevent my kid from ever having to deal with that, I most definitely will.
@KDeola I had chicken pox when I was 2 (before the vaccine was available, because my mom definitely would have given it to me). Apparently it was a very mild case and I'm so scared I'll get shingles! I would totally get the shingles vaccine, but you have to be older lol.
Well, like I said, I did have my kids vaccinated for chicken pox. I guess my personal experience made me say that because I wish I had it as a young child. I got it at 17 and was very very sick.
To be clear to all worried about shingles, the vaccine won't protect our kids from that. Unfortunately, they can still get it.
@kdeola - My youngest brother was vax'd for chicken pox. Never got it! I believe it's a two part vaccine, one initial, and one booster. He's perfectly fine and has not had chicken pox if it's any comfort, he was exposed to someone with Shingles and did not contract it.
We are absolutely vaccinating thoroughly and on time. The scientific and very real health benefits of vaccinating far, far outweigh the potential risks, and not just for one's own kid.
It is my understanding that the shingles virus is the same as the chickenpox virus, it reactivated in your system after laying dormant. The first time you get the virus it presents itself as chickenpox. As someone with shingles you can't give another person shingles, but you can give someone chickenpox. If my kid never gets that, then they can't get shingles. I asked a lot of questions by the time I had the stupid things the 3rd time.
Vaccinating on schedule. It's worth it for us. Older kids are/will be in school, I'm a teacher (and bring home tons of wonderful viruses), husband used to be a medic (now looking into nursing), we lived on a joint military base that's hosted many differnt foreign army all year round. So risk of possible side effects was not greater than exposure
It is my understanding that the shingles virus is the same as the chickenpox virus, it reactivated in your system after laying dormant. The first time you get the virus it presents itself as chickenpox. As someone with shingles you can't give another person shingles, but you can give someone chickenpox. If my kid never gets that, then they can't get shingles. I asked a lot of questions by the time I had the stupid things the 3rd time.
From what I understand the vaccine does not prevent shingles later in life. Although it seems that it does reduce the chances of getting it so that's a plus. You are right that shingles comes from the dormant chicken pox virus but once they have the vaccine, they then have the dormant virus. Again, I'm very pro vaccine, but said I wasn't sure how much I felt this one was necessary. My kids got it because I trust my doctor and she recommends it.
We vaccinate. We also chose a pedi that only allows patients that are following the vaccine schedule. I'm usually all "I don't judge anyones parenting choices..." But with vaccines I think it so, so, so, important for every parent to vaccinate their child. That's all I am going to say about it!
we will be doing all vaccines except chicken pox. DH had the vaccine as a child and as soon as it expired(20 years i think) he got the chicken pox. Like down to the month it expired. No clue where he picked it up (most likely the gym). Having chicken pox as an adult was no joke. His fever got well above 102 a few times and the blisters covered his entire body. His. Entire. Body. and he was sick for over 2 weeks. I have had both chicken pox & shingles in my lifetime. The only thing I;ll be vaccinating this family for in regards to the chicken pox virus is shingles. I don't wish that on anyone.
Re: POTD: Vaccinations
Heres some light reading (I made sure it had a lot of pretty pictures for you):
https://livingnongmo.org/learn/gmo-faq/?utm_source=google&utm_medium=adwords&gclid=CjwKEAjwz9HHBRDbopLGh-afzB4SJABY52oFcgnoaiC--cSr-QkXacnhBK5tL1hNmsKctQSJyydk4RoC8Fvw_wcB
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetically_modified_organism
It's extremely reckless of you to come here and spread such false and dangerous information. I feel sorry for your husband, your kids and your pets.
ETA: GMO's weren't even around and people's diets were much better back when these diseases were killing people by the thousands.
Like @jessafishy said - SCIENCE!! AndPlusAlso, herd immunity for those who legitimately cannot get vaccines.
On a totally unrelated-to-vaccines note (because I don't believe that eating completely healthy is an appropriate substitute for vaccines), I have to agree with @Myelhsa regarding eating healthy and making a huge difference with your immune system. I say this because I have witnessed it, experienced it between myself and dh, and read so many others' experiences that make it next to impossible to ignore. Sure, not everyone will have perfect, amazing health because they eat perfectly and exercise like they should. But to dh and I, personally, the facts are hard to deny. Also, that being said, I am not a crunchy, all-organic and gmo-free eater. Because, life. And I'm lazy. And kids.
@kdeola We also don't have have the same diseases we had back then. My kids chances for getting polio aren't high enough for me to put it in her voluntary. Nope nope nope.
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When I worked in a horrid office call center type job I got my first flu shot in my early 20s purely because I got to leave my cubicle for 20 minutes to get my free shot at the office's yearly clinic. Worth it.
I typically got them every year they were offered for free at work because it literally took little to no effort.
My last 3 years working in HR I organized our flu shot clinic....so I felt like I had to get one with everyone else.
ive never had the flu. Coincidence, probably, but whatev.
That being said, now having a child, I'm proactively all for vaccines. Everyone one of them. Give me all the vaccines, and give them all to her too. I made my parents get the TDAP and flu (as well as DH of course) before visiting DD as a newborn. They thought I was crazy but they did it anyway. I guess they love me. DD was born in September so I was actually legitimately worried about illness going into the fall and I'll have the same concerns with this baby too.
I realize none of this was pertinent information. I just wanted to participate today.
I was going to insert some participation award gif/meme....but....mobile fail.
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https://www.stopmandatoryvaccination.com/vaccine-dangers/
Let's just use an example of how my IL's are: DS had a gross cough this weekend, so dh called mil to say we wouldn't be at easter because SIL had just had a baby last week and we didn't want her and her baby getting sick from ds. She threw an absolute fit over it, called SIL, called dh back and said SIL "doesn't care" so we were to come to easter anyways. That will tell you how concerned they are about germs and illness. This is also coming from my MIL who had a cold but I didn't know it until after she held my 3 week old all freaking day at easter 3 years ago. Sure enough, I was up with a newborn that night who came down with a cold.
We vaccinate all vaccinations on time, none of this "lets spread it out between multiple appointments and jab my kid with needles once a month" or whatever BS. And absolutely flu shot. The one year I delayed (last year) because my now 4 year old had just gotten over her fear of the doctor and I was trying to hold out for the nasal mist and then switched practices, she got the flu. She was sick for a month and was sicker than I've ever seen. 105 temperatures are scary as hell, and this year when she got her shot I reminded her of how sick she was before and how this would help to prevent it.
I also do any additional vaccines that may be possible such as the RSV vaccine only offered to preemies. DD2 was only eligible because she had a sibling under the age of 2 at home and was born at 34 weeks. Thank God she got that vaccine because when she finally got RSV at the age of 3 she was hospitalized in the PICU. I have no idea what would've happened if she had gotten it earlier..it was scary at 3!
Science is great, vaccinate your kids :-P
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To be clear to all worried about shingles, the vaccine won't protect our kids from that. Unfortunately, they can still get it.
It pleases me greatly that this board is 85% pro-vaccines.
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