I dont "get" the need for monthly ultrasounds. It seems like it might be more for peace of mind, or indulging worriers, than out of genuine concern? I don't know. I've only ever had early ones if I was bleeding and typically just the 20 week scan... Oh and I did have a 41+ week one when I went very overdue!
@maamawaabangi - then consider yourself very lucky. I don't know anyone who's had monthly U/S as a standard. Most people getting regular ultrasounds have serious medical concerns. Count yourself as lucky you aren't part of that group, because it's a really shitty group to be part of.
@maamawaabangi - I don't think so for an uncomplicated pregnancy. Dating U/S between 6 and 8 weeks. Elective genetic testing 12-14 weeks. Anatomy scan 20 weeks. So as a matter of course, it's 2. One for dating one for checking the proper growth and development of organs. The genetic tests are elective and often paid out of pocket.
@maamawaabangi normal in my area is a dating ultrasound between 8-10 weeks and one at 20 weeks (the anatomy scan) and I know some OBs that only do the anatomy scan. I haven't known anyone that wasn't considered high risk to have that many ultrasounds.
Perhaps "monthly" isn't accurate... It just seem like the norm for OB care is 6, 12, 16, 20, etc... weeks. Right? Is that not accurate?
When I had DS, I had 3: a u/s at about 8 weeks for dating, 20 weeks for anatomy scan, and around 36 weeks to see positioning. There is a nuchal translucency screen at around 12 weeks to screen for down's syndrome and genetic disorders.
Most people who have more than that have either suffered from infertility and are seeing a reproductive endocrinologist, have had previous losses, are high-risk, have multiples, etc. So yeah it's not a camp you want to be in.
Good to know. And that seem much more logical. And I'm not discouraging the use of them when needed... Goodness knows, I've needed extra ones when things were outside of "normal".
I can be super bitch if I need to be, but I am generally always very blunt and will be honest about my opinion and feelings. I don't necessarily like being a bitch, but I will in a heartbeat if need be.
My UO for today is that I feel very sexy pregnant. Maybe because I generally have an athletic body type and not very curvy, but lately I feel beautiful and sexy. I know it's still early, but I am digging these new curves, and DH is too. :]
I'm all for a bitch fest. Or better yet watching one unfold but I like the our board isn't snarky yet. Sometimes I'll lurk on other boards and see them tearing into some people and I'll get my fill.
Me: 29
DH: 30
Happily Ever After: 05-15-2015 TTC since June 2015
@sammyl1221 I've been lurking for the drama too, but I haven't found anything of interest lately. The site is super tame compared to two years ago. Point me towards the snark if you come across any!
@Fauxpa my son is circed and this one will be too if he's a boy. We didn't even think twice about it- it's the norm around here.
Also pro snark when necessary. And a good eye roll meme (I'm thinking of the rdj one). My last board was a little bananas with it, but it calmed down and some was necessary at the time. I love our everyone gets along for now board. I is early, and with this many women, snark is inevitable.
The ultrasound thing. I was only supposed to get one, but because I have such irregular periods, k had a daring one. I didn't have one with ds. I know some people do get others that aren't just the tests and stuff, and they're not high risk. It just depends on ob and insurance.
@sammyl1221 I've been lurking for the drama too, but I haven't found anything of interest lately. The site is super tame compared to two years ago. Point me towards the snark if you come across any!
Nov 16 had a good one going about Zika! Check it out
Me: 29
DH: 30
Happily Ever After: 05-15-2015 TTC since June 2015
I can't stand when people post on Facebook "does anyone want to come help me do xyz?" especially if its a single person. There is one chick who does it pretty regularly ... Help me move, let my puppy out when I'm at work, take my class room down... I'm like seriously?! You're single, living in an apt and you move yearly. Your problem! And it's not that hard! Try packing/moving a whole house by yourself with kids bothering you! Ps. No one wants to work for free. Or for pizza.
oh and the "who wants to watch my kids for a few hours?" posts... No one. No one does.
My M14 board weeded out all sorts of crazy. We all had it out quite a few times. Actually, nearly all of TB jumped on board for "Glider Gate"... When one of our members stole money we had raised for a mom who had a very late term MS suddenly. It was awful and intense and people were threatening her husband's law firm and contacting her family members on Facebook. Good times.
Anyway, I'll give a UO that's stirred some pots before: bumpers in cribs are unsafe. I don't care that they're cute and they totes pull together the theme of your nursery, they aren't worth the risk.
My M14 board weeded out all sorts of crazy. We all had it out quite a few times. Actually, nearly all of TB jumped on board for "Glider Gate"... When one of our members stole money we had raised for a mom who had a very late term MS suddenly. It was awful and intense and people were threatening her husband's law firm and contacting her family members on Facebook. Good times.
Anyway, I'll give a UO that's stirred some pots before: bumpers in cribs are unsafe. I don't care that they're cute and they totes pull together the theme of your nursery, they aren't worth the risk.
Is that an UO? Yikes... I say use mesh bumpers before they are mobile if you must, but beyond that it's been proven to be unsafe.
I think bumpers are unsafe UNTIL a certain point. I've posted before that DS thrashes in his sleep. We put his bumpers up at around a year. He was walking, so he wouldn't have been put in a position that he couldn't move away from. We still have it on his converted toddler bed because he'll wake himself up smacking his head against the rails.
Regarding earlier comment on UO about circ. We circumcised DS at about week 3 (he was still in the NICU but was unable to handle a procedure until then). I let my H decide. Having never had a penis, I thought it was a big decision from an uneducated point of view. I know there's a lot of fear mongering about this topic but I think it comes down to preference - cultural/religious/whatever.
What gets my goat though is when pro-choice-ers (no shade) want to jump on the no-circ bus. So you want to protect a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy because it's HER body, but when it comes to circumcision it's wrong because a choice is being made against a baby's will who didn't get to decide for themselves. But, but.... That doesn't make any sense! They're confused.
I think bumpers are unsafe UNTIL a certain point. I've posted before that DS thrashes in his sleep. We put his bumpers up at around a year. He was walking, so he wouldn't have been put in a position that he couldn't move away from. We still have it on his converted toddler bed because he'll wake himself up smacking his head against the rails.
Regarding earlier comment on UO about circ. We circumcised DS at about week 3 (he was still in the NICU but was unable to handle a procedure until then). I let my H decide. Having never had a penis, I thought it was a big decision from an uneducated point of view. I know there's a lot of fear mongering about this topic but I think it comes down to preference - cultural/religious/whatever.
What gets my goat though is when pro-choice-ers (no shade) want to jump on the no-circ bus. So you want to protect a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy because it's HER body, but when it comes to circumcision it's wrong because a choice is being made against a baby's will who didn't get to decide for themselves. But, but.... That doesn't make any sense! They're confused.
I see your point, but could also argue that it should a woman's right to decide what to do with her body and likewise it should be the mans choice what to do with his body and therefore to decide if he wants a circumcision later in life when able to make that decision.
What at you're getting at is that if a baby has rights then a embryo/fetus has rights. This obviously depends upon your personal beliefs but if I think in the opinion of many people who are pro-choice, if a fetus can't survive outside the womb it is not yet a child and isn't alive and/or doesn't have the same rights as the woman.
Regarding earlier comment on UO about circ. We circumcised DS at about week 3 (he was still in the NICU but was unable to handle a procedure until then). I let my H decide. Having never had a penis, I thought it was a big decision from an uneducated point of view. I know there's a lot of fear mongering about this topic but I think it comes down to preference - cultural/religious/whatever.
That is exactly my thought about it too. I don't have a penis and my husband feels pretty strongly about it. We have also researched fully both sides of the argument so that's what we plan on doing.
If this is a boy he will be circed. No question about it. We plan on raising our kids Jewish and Catholic, and in Judaism boys are circumcised. DH insists on getting it done in the hospital after the baby is born. Usually you wait 3 days, because that's when the bris is and the circumcision takes place, so we have been arguing about when to get it done. .
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If this is a boy he will be circed. No question about it. We plan on raising our kids Jewish and Catholic, and in Judaism boys are circumcised. DH insists on getting it done in the hospital after the baby is born. Usually you wait 3 days, because that's when the bris is and the circumcision takes place, so we have been arguing about when to get it done. .
Kind of same situation. DH is Jewish, I was raised Catholic. Both of us celebrate the big holidays in our respective religions but neither of us is religious otherwise (he doesn't go to temple, I don't go to church). I would say his family is probably slightly more observant than mine. My brother and I decided from a young age that although we were raised Catholic, we don't plan to raise our children that way. I think DH would be happy to raise our children Jewish, and his brother is raising his children Jewish.
Anyway, it is important to DH to have the baby circumcised if it's a boy, but we have agreed that we will not have our children go through any religious ceremonies (i.e. No Bris, no baptism) until they are old enough to decide for themselves what they want to do, so the circumcision will likely be at the hospital after birth.
If it was solely up to me, I probably wouldn't have the baby circumcised bc I'd rather not have something go wrong and be responsible for it (even though I know the risk is low). But there's not any other reason for me personally to not do it.
I haven't really read through the UOs yet because 60 is too many. Anyways, my UO is that TB is kind of boring now compared to how it was prior to the implosion.
As far as TB being boring and snarkless, I think it's probably because
the BGs are on top of everything and ban/warn people like crazy for
being the slightest bit snarky. It's obnoxious that they won't allow
grown adults to manage our own conversations. I may get warned for that,
but oh well..
DS is circumcised, and if this baby were a boy,
we'd circ him too. Honestly, I think the anti-circ argument that a boy
should have a choice of whether or not to be circumcised fails to hold
water. Parents make decisions for their children all the time because
children are not old enough to make decisions for themselves. You don't
just say, "I'm not going to trim my child's fingernails because he
should get to choose whether to do that himself" or "I'm not going to
cut his hair, because he should make that decision for himself." Or "I'm
not going to get his tonsils removed, because he should make that
choice for himself." Why would the decision of circ/not to circ be any
different? Yes, it is an elective procedure that causes temporary pain
(just like getting tubes in a kid's ears or having tonsils removed), but
it has benefits too. As parents, we get to do the cost/benefit analysis
and decide what's right for our kids.
If this is a boy he will be circed. No question about it. We plan on raising our kids Jewish and Catholic, and in Judaism boys are circumcised. DH insists on getting it done in the hospital after the baby is born. Usually you wait 3 days, because that's when the bris is and the circumcision takes place, so we have been arguing about when to get it done. .
Kind of same situation. DH is Jewish, I was raised Catholic. Both of us celebrate the big holidays in our respective religions but neither of us is religious otherwise (he doesn't go to temple, I don't go to church). I would say his family is probably slightly more observant than mine. My brother and I decided from a young age that although we were raised Catholic, we don't plan to raise our children that way. I think DH would be happy to raise our children Jewish, and his brother is raising his children Jewish.
Anyway, it is important to DH to have the baby circumcised if it's a boy, but we have agreed that we will not have our children go through any religious ceremonies (i.e. No Bris, no baptism) until they are old enough to decide for themselves what they want to do, so the circumcision will likely be at the hospital after birth.
If it was solely up to me, I probably wouldn't have the baby circumcised bc I'd rather not have something go wrong and be responsible for it (even though I know the risk is low). But there's not any other reason for me personally to not do it.
That's kind of what we are doing. We were married by a minister and a rabbi (who are also best friends), and so we are reaching out to them to see if they will do some kind of joint ceremony for the baby, so they can be introduced into both worlds. Then we'll take them to temple and to church, and when they're old enough they can chose which path they want to take. If they don't want to take any path, that's fine and we'll support it. And if they chose to be Catholic, they'll still get presents for Hanukkah; same if they choose to be Jewish they'll get an Easter basket. I've always felt religion is a personal thing, that everyone has a right to choose which religious path they want to take. I'm so glad DH shares this belief with me.
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What at you're getting at is that if a baby has rights then a embryo/fetus has rights. This obviously depends upon your personal beliefs but if I think in the opinion of many people who are pro-choice, if a fetus can't survive outside the womb it is not yet a child and isn't alive and/or doesn't have the same rights as the woman.
@penelope4612 - I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't understand where the line is drawn I guess. So, terminate pregnancy without consulting child because they aren't yet a 'person' = okay. Circumsizing said child when they don't have the mental capacity/maturity to make that decision for themselves = not okay. If you stand behind letting someone decide what to do with their own life/body, why once that child is outside of my womb does it become debatable? I'll use the same logic as the pro-choice movement - not your body, not your choice. Not your child - not your choice. I'm just of the opinion that what I do is nobody's choice but my families. (Assuming my choices are not inherently harmful) I don't need anyone else 'protecting' the rights of my children. That's my job and I take it VERY seriously.
By the way, I'm pro-choice - I didn't want this opinion to come off as bashing pro choice.
@beff12 and @jenlynne0624 I'm also on Preg & Baby App's boards and the December group got feisty the the 3rd Pregnancy and Pot thread. Good one to read if you're looking for some entertainment!
What at you're getting at is that if a baby has rights then a embryo/fetus has rights. This obviously depends upon your personal beliefs but if I think in the opinion of many people who are pro-choice, if a fetus can't survive outside the womb it is not yet a child and isn't alive and/or doesn't have the same rights as the woman.
@penelope4612 - I don't have a horse in this race, but I don't understand where the line is drawn I guess. So, terminate pregnancy without consulting child because they aren't yet a 'person' = okay. Circumsizing said child when they don't have the mental capacity/maturity to make that decision for themselves = not okay. If you stand behind letting someone decide what to do with their own life/body, why once that child is outside of my womb does it become debatable? I'll use the same logic as the pro-choice movement - not your body, not your choice. Not your child - not your choice. I'm just of the opinion that what I do is nobody's choice but my families. (Assuming my choices are not inherently harmful) I don't need anyone else 'protecting' the rights of my children. That's my job and I take it VERY seriously.
By the way, I'm pro-choice - I didn't want this opinion to come off as bashing pro choice.
It's hard for me to argue this because in reality IDGAF whether people circumcise or not and I actually agree with @cjt121413 -as parents we will make lots of decisions for our children that may affect them later in life and they may ultimately not agree with us but we still have to do what we think is best for our children and our families. I'm just trying to explain what I think the argument would be if I held that view. A circumcision doesn't have to be done at a certain time (unless it is medically necessary, which it is typically not at birth). It can be done later in life. Hence the argument that a child could make the decision later. An abortion obviously has to be done in a certain timeframe. If you wait until the child has an opinion, then you're not getting an abortion. At the risk of bringing up another sensitive argument, one could liken circumcision with ear piercing. Some parents pierce their child's ears when they are very young and are not old enough to consent and that is certainly not necessary but is routinely done in some cultures.
wellllllllll there is some health related info out there when it comes to circumcision... https://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pdf/prevention_research_malecircumcision.pdf But it's really not very compelling. However, when DH and I were going back and forth before DS was born, we found this to be a bit of a tie breaker and did it.
As I understand it, having had it done doesn't really affect quality of life (though I'm not every circumcised guy on the planet so I can't say that with complete confidence). So... yea. Personal decision in each family but not one where I'd waste any time caring what other people choose to do. It was confusing for us to try to make the decision for ourselves though.
@slartybartfast - I'm with you girl. I really DGAF what anyone does as long as it's not harmful/dangerous to others. It was my UO that I felt it was silly to say people can do what they want and protect those rights in some instances and not others. I get that there's a difference in my comparison, but we make lots of decisions on our children's behalf when they're babies/young children. It comes with the territory.
Late to this party, per the usual, but I also kind of miss snark on the boards. I'm a FTM but I remember the snark in full force on the Knot boards! Good lord. LOL
My UO: I like Kayne West. Well, not him exactly, but his music. Several of my friends are bitching about the new Assassin's Creed movie trailer with his song "I Am a God" in it, but I like it. *shrugs* I think it fits the trailer.
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I dont "get" the need for monthly ultrasounds. It seems like it might be more for peace of mind, or indulging worriers, than out of genuine concern? I don't know.
I've only ever had early ones if I was bleeding and typically just the 20 week scan... Oh and I did have a 41+ week one when I went very overdue!
Thats my attempt at being controversial!
Haha!!!
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Is that not accurate?
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Most people who have more than that have either suffered from infertility and are seeing a reproductive endocrinologist, have had previous losses, are high-risk, have multiples, etc. So yeah it's not a camp you want to be in.
Me: 33 H: 36
Married: 12/14/13 DS: 1/29/09
BFP2: 10/9/15 MMC: 11/12/15
BFP3: 4/6/16 DD: 12/12/16
And I'm not discouraging the use of them when needed... Goodness knows, I've needed extra ones when things were outside of "normal".
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My UO for today is that I feel very sexy pregnant. Maybe because I generally have an athletic body type and not very curvy, but lately I feel beautiful and sexy. I know it's still early, but I am digging these new curves, and DH is too. :]
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I am also a fan of some good snark when it's necessary.
To get things started with a little controversy... my UO is that if we have a boy we will probably be getting him circumcised. COME AT ME!
ETA - I know, we can delve into politics!
TTC since 6/13
Diagnosed w/ PCOS 4/9/15 - R/E recommended lifestyle change
BFP 4/10/16 - DS born 12/16/2016
SURPRISE! BFP 3/8/18
Also pro snark when necessary. And a good eye roll meme (I'm thinking of the rdj one). My last board was a little bananas with it, but it calmed down and some was necessary at the time. I love our everyone gets along for now board. I is early, and with this many women, snark is inevitable.
The ultrasound thing. I was only supposed to get one, but because I have such irregular periods, k had a daring one. I didn't have one with ds. I know some people do get others that aren't just the tests and stuff, and they're not high risk. It just depends on ob and insurance.
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So, one if my sons is and the other isn't.
Wanna know how much difference there is between the two?
Nothing but a centimeter of skin...
But for real... It is a complete non issue on both sides of the fence. They don't even care that they "look different".
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oh and the "who wants to watch my kids for a few hours?" posts... No one. No one does.
Anyway, I'll give a UO that's stirred some pots before:
bumpers in cribs are unsafe. I don't care that they're cute and they totes pull together the theme of your nursery, they aren't worth the risk.
Regarding earlier comment on UO about circ. We circumcised DS at about week 3 (he was still in the NICU but was unable to handle a procedure until then). I let my H decide. Having never had a penis, I thought it was a big decision from an uneducated point of view. I know there's a lot of fear mongering about this topic but I think it comes down to preference - cultural/religious/whatever.
What gets my goat though is when pro-choice-ers (no shade) want to jump on the no-circ bus. So you want to protect a woman's right to terminate her pregnancy because it's HER body, but when it comes to circumcision it's wrong because a choice is being made against a baby's will who didn't get to decide for themselves. But, but.... That doesn't make any sense! They're confused.
What at you're getting at is that if a baby has rights then a embryo/fetus has rights. This obviously depends upon your personal beliefs but if I think in the opinion of many people who are pro-choice, if a fetus can't survive outside the womb it is not yet a child and isn't alive and/or doesn't have the same rights as the woman.
TTC since 6/13
Diagnosed w/ PCOS 4/9/15 - R/E recommended lifestyle change
BFP 4/10/16 - DS born 12/16/2016
SURPRISE! BFP 3/8/18
Anyway, it is important to DH to have the baby circumcised if it's a boy, but we have agreed that we will not have our children go through any religious ceremonies (i.e. No Bris, no baptism) until they are old enough to decide for themselves what they want to do, so the circumcision will likely be at the hospital after birth.
If it was solely up to me, I probably wouldn't have the baby circumcised bc I'd rather not have something go wrong and be responsible for it (even though I know the risk is low). But there's not any other reason for me personally to not do it.
DS is circumcised, and if this baby were a boy, we'd circ him too. Honestly, I think the anti-circ argument that a boy should have a choice of whether or not to be circumcised fails to hold water. Parents make decisions for their children all the time because children are not old enough to make decisions for themselves. You don't just say, "I'm not going to trim my child's fingernails because he should get to choose whether to do that himself" or "I'm not going to cut his hair, because he should make that decision for himself." Or "I'm not going to get his tonsils removed, because he should make that choice for himself." Why would the decision of circ/not to circ be any different? Yes, it is an elective procedure that causes temporary pain (just like getting tubes in a kid's ears or having tonsils removed), but it has benefits too. As parents, we get to do the cost/benefit analysis and decide what's right for our kids.
Me: 33 H: 36
Married: 12/14/13 DS: 1/29/09
BFP2: 10/9/15 MMC: 11/12/15
BFP3: 4/6/16 DD: 12/12/16
TTC since 6/13
Diagnosed w/ PCOS 4/9/15 - R/E recommended lifestyle change
BFP 4/10/16 - DS born 12/16/2016
SURPRISE! BFP 3/8/18
By the way, I'm pro-choice - I didn't want this opinion to come off as bashing pro choice.
But it's really not very compelling. However, when DH and I were going back and forth before DS was born, we found this to be a bit of a tie breaker and did it.
As I understand it, having had it done doesn't really affect quality of life (though I'm not every circumcised guy on the planet so I can't say that with complete confidence). So... yea. Personal decision in each family but not one where I'd waste any time caring what other people choose to do. It was confusing for us to try to make the decision for ourselves though.
TTC since 6/13
Diagnosed w/ PCOS 4/9/15 - R/E recommended lifestyle change
BFP 4/10/16 - DS born 12/16/2016
SURPRISE! BFP 3/8/18
My UO: I like Kayne West. Well, not him exactly, but his music. Several of my friends are bitching about the new Assassin's Creed movie trailer with his song "I Am a God" in it, but I like it. *shrugs* I think it fits the trailer.
We will circumcise
We will spank
Not planning on any bed sharing
I don't like pickles. I absolutely cant' stand them... that seems to always be a UO
DS: 12/20/16
EDD: 11/29/18