May 2016 Moms

A Strong Start to Breastfeeding/BFing Q&A

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Re: A Strong Start to Breastfeeding/BFing Q&A

  • @araecasey thank you!! I definitely do feel like I have the flu with chills, fever, body aches, sweating, etc. but assumed it's not mastitis because I didn't notice a red or tender spot on my breasts. Well, upon further inspection after pumping there is a red area I didn't notice and so my dr wants me to monitor throughout the day. If I continue to have fever when I'm not engorged she'll put me on antibiotics. I never knew BFing could make you sick! 
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  • Does anyone else wake up in the middle of the night feeling like their breasts are being sucked on when they're not? Is that let down from hearing him cry in my sleep? It's so bizarre!
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  • Does anyone else wake up in the middle of the night feeling like their breasts are being sucked on when they're not? Is that let down from hearing him cry in my sleep? It's so bizarre!
    I wake up sometimes to huge leaking breasts- that's how I know it's time to feed! Best alarm clock!
  • Am I supposed to be able to feel my let down?? I can tell its pretty strong from the way my LO drinks but I can't feel it.
    I can't. And never could with my first who was breastfed into toddlerhood. 
  • Just read about how to help with engorgement. Currently on day 2 of my milk being in and my boobs are like lumpy rocks, massive, and hurt to even laugh. I take plenty of hot showers and am having DH go get a heating pad as we speak. You talk about hand expressing versus pumping (I've been bad and have pumped twice due to needing to release the pain - LO wouldn't nurse yesterday because I was just dripping everywhere and was too sopping wet for her) - do I hand express onto a towel and waste that milk?? Also, my LO does not like paci's so I obviously feed/paci on demand with my breast. Could that be a reason I'm engorged? Just looking for some relief as its only day 2 and my DH is starting to look at me like I'm a milk factory (with porn star boobs...).
  • Just read about how to help with engorgement. Currently on day 2 of my milk being in and my boobs are like lumpy rocks, massive, and hurt to even laugh. I take plenty of hot showers and am having DH go get a heating pad as we speak. You talk about hand expressing versus pumping (I've been bad and have pumped twice due to needing to release the pain - LO wouldn't nurse yesterday because I was just dripping everywhere and was too sopping wet for her) - do I hand express onto a towel and waste that milk?? Also, my LO does not like paci's so I obviously feed/paci on demand with my breast. Could that be a reason I'm engorged? Just looking for some relief as its only day 2 and my DH is starting to look at me like I'm a milk factory (with porn star boobs...).
    I've been hand expressing into a bottle and saving it. I've also had to pump the past couple of days because of engorgement and mastitis. My LO doesn't like pacis either and nurses for comfort a lot too. I wish I had advice or expertise to offer but mostly just commiserating. 
  • KurrantKurrant member
    So I know it's been said several times to not pump and to hand express instead but I have to ask anyways . . . How much pumping is ok to not end up with mega-boobs?  So i normally have size DDs and at the end of my pregnancy I ended up a size G which is insane. This things are just too much!  DH's sons birthday is soon and we are having his 4 kids over.  They are 17-28. I have not mastered pulling out the boobs discretely and feeding, I'm trying but there is nothing discrete about these melons. Also because they are so big a cover just makes things harder. Lucy has a hard time latching and I really need to see what I am doing. I want to have a small stash for things like this or so I can take a bath and not worry about her and feel assured that DH has some milk around to feed her so I can have a moment.  I'm cool with building a stash slowly but I don't want to wake up engorged every day either.  Is 4oz a day going to be alright to pump?  I wouldn't think that one pumping session would cause major issues.  What I was doing before was feeding from one breast while pumping the other. It gets the letdown going in the pump boob so I can get a decent amount from one sitting. 
  • @LadySamLady I'm thankful that I'm not the only one! I did look on Kelly mom and pumping on a low setting and not for more than 10 min is ok (but hand expressing was noted as best so I will start doing that into a bottle), so luckily that's what I did both times. 

    LO just got off the boob after 40 min of "paci time". It's going to be a long night tonight!!
  • mcb2016 said:
    Does anyone have any experience with taking reglan to help with milk production? I've been using a better pump for two days now and still haven't seen much milk increase. I really don't want to give up as my little one seems to love being at the breast. 
    Have you tried lots of oatmeal? Or oats in any of its forms (even cookies)? 
    I had a friend increase hers with fenugreek. 
  • mcb2016 said:
    Does anyone have any experience with taking reglan to help with milk production? I've been using a better pump for two days now and still haven't seen much milk increase. I really don't want to give up as my little one seems to love being at the breast. 
    Have you tried lots of oatmeal? Or oats in any of its forms (even cookies)? 
    I had a friend increase hers with fenugreek. 
    I second oats and fenugreek  (though fyi for some, it makes your sweat smell like maple syrup). I've gotten into the habit of making overnight oats for breakfast because I can eat it cold and prep it the night before. I use oats, milk, yogurt, and berries but there are lots of combinations out there.

     If you haven't tried adding a power pump to your schedule, you could do that too: it's pumping for10min, resting for 10 minutes, repeat 3 times (it'll take 50 minutes total because the last 10 resting is really just time to clean up). It helps to simulate clusterfeeding which will increase supply. Some women do this once daily, others see an increase with only doing it a couple times per week. My advice would be to try it as needed so that you don't accidentally end up with an oversupply instead.
  • mcb2016mcb2016 member
    @araecasey    I would love to talk to your friend!

    I have tried and am still taking herbal supplements and mother's milk tea. I haven't tried eating a lot of oatmeal yet but I will give that a try. I pump for 15 minutes after each feeding but haven't noticed a big increase of my supple yet. I get very little, on a good pumping session I get 10 ml. Sometimes way less.  I haven't tried a cluster feed pump cycle yet, that was the first I've heard of it. I'm willing to try anything to get my supply up. I'm trying to stay patient but this hasn't been easy. 


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  • @mcb2016 Are you part of the facebook group? If so, I can find you there and connect you with my friend. If not, I'll inbox you my email and you can friend me with that. I'd also love to chat with you and help however I can with your supply. I'm assuming since you've got a script from Dom that you're working with an IBCLC?
  • Just read about how to help with engorgement. Currently on day 2 of my milk being in and my boobs are like lumpy rocks, massive, and hurt to even laugh. I take plenty of hot showers and am having DH go get a heating pad as we speak. You talk about hand expressing versus pumping (I've been bad and have pumped twice due to needing to release the pain - LO wouldn't nurse yesterday because I was just dripping everywhere and was too sopping wet for her) - do I hand express onto a towel and waste that milk?? Also, my LO does not like paci's so I obviously feed/paci on demand with my breast. Could that be a reason I'm engorged? Just looking for some relief as its only day 2 and my DH is starting to look at me like I'm a milk factory (with porn star boobs...).
    Hi there! Sorry to hear you're so engorged, momma. Please know it's totally normal to have those leaky porn star boobs. Regarding all the heat you're applying to your breasts: if you're in pain, applying lots of heat will actually INCREASE your inflammation. Much better to use heat sparingly if you have engorgement with a clog, and use ice occasionally when engorged without a clog. Ice will help control your pain level and will help your body regulate your supply downwards a little bit so you're not so engorged. You can also take Tylenol or Aleve to reduce your pain.

    You make me laugh; you're not "bad" because you pumped! I hear ya, engorgement is no joke, and it's hard to latch a hangry baby when everything is wet and slippery and dripping/spraying everywhere. If you're trying to latch and your milk is unruly, I'd advise you to either have bottles on hand and express into them, or yes, to express into towels and waste that milk. I know it feels sinful, everyone talks about milk being liquid gold. It's admittedly really fantastic stuff, but I promise it's okay to let some of it go, especially while you and your little one are learning how to nurse. There will be so much more milk in your future!

    You're not hurting anything by letting baby comfort nurse. Nursing on demand is ideal for you and baby. Without launching into the mechanics and biology of breastfeeding and pumping, know that nursing lots and pumping lots are not equal to our brains and bodies. Nurse on demand just like you're doing, try to limit pumping for now. If you're engorged between feedings, it's a good idea to hand express only until your breasts feel comfortable again. We don't want to drain the breasts, we just want you to be comfortable.
  • Kurrant said:
    So I know it's been said several times to not pump and to hand express instead but I have to ask anyways . . . How much pumping is ok to not end up with mega-boobs?  So i normally have size DDs and at the end of my pregnancy I ended up a size G which is insane. This things are just too much!  DH's sons birthday is soon and we are having his 4 kids over.  They are 17-28. I have not mastered pulling out the boobs discretely and feeding, I'm trying but there is nothing discrete about these melons. Also because they are so big a cover just makes things harder. Lucy has a hard time latching and I really need to see what I am doing. I want to have a small stash for things like this or so I can take a bath and not worry about her and feel assured that DH has some milk around to feed her so I can have a moment.  I'm cool with building a stash slowly but I don't want to wake up engorged every day either.  Is 4oz a day going to be alright to pump?  I wouldn't think that one pumping session would cause major issues.  What I was doing before was feeding from one breast while pumping the other. It gets the letdown going in the pump boob so I can get a decent amount from one sitting. 
    Hey sweet mama :smile: How many days pp are you now? How's your engorgement? Everyone's anatomy and hormones are different, therefore there's no prescribed amount that's "okay" to pump when we're dealing with oversupply. Everyone's body reacts differently to pumping. If you're wanting that extra milk on hand, it's no big thing to tinker around to see what works for you. If you wanna go back to pumping one side while nursing the other for one feeding a day, try it and see what happens! If it works well for you, fantastic; if it causes more problems for you and baby girl, then you know to wait a little longer to try again.
  • @Kurrant I know we've shared our big boob woes before...use cabbage leaves my friend. Just for one day. They feel amazing and will help with the engorgement! Don't overuse because they can reduce your supply but sounds like you're in the same position I was with waaaay too much supply. 

    Ive reduced my supply massively now (by choice) and I'm still producing plenty to breastfeed once or twice a day, which is all I want to do. It was the best decision I made. I was going nuts with the pain and the size. It was like sleeping on bricks!!! 
  • @araecasey DD is 2 days old and doing awesome at BF, but I'm having a hard time getting her to get a good latch. I saw the LCs in the hospital and they tried to show me but I'm not able to figure it out. She's capable of a deep latch because she did for the LCs, so maybe it's something I'm doing? She is tearing up my nipples! 
  • @araecasey,  is there such a thing as too much breastfeeding? My son is now 4 weeks 6 days and has moved into nursing for 7 to 9 hours a day. I'm exhausted! He's actually started nursing more than he's sleeping over the past 3 days. The pediatrician wants nursing on demand until he reaches 10 lbs, but every breastfeeding session is running 1.5 to 2 hours, even overnight.
  • @JessicaB0627 Tell me more about how you're going about latching. What positions are you trying?

    @lbachran I hear ya momma. DD was on the boob for ungodly amounts of time as well as a newborn. How are things today? It's possible he hit a growth spurt or developmental leap (do you know about the Wonder Weeks?) and needed extra time at the breast for a few days. When he continues to just wanna stay latched on and fusses when you try to unlatch him after a while, you might try switching sides. This fills up his tummy with nice, fatty milk and may encourage him to unlatch and snooze. 

    @MsIan Wonderful news!!! You mentioned in another thread that you backed way off your meds; how's your comfort level?
  • MsIanMsIan member
    @araecasey I'm feeling better day by day. Today I even went for a walk. It was rough, but definitely manageable. I stopped taking the oxy and only take the ibuprofen when i really need it. We haven't had that dead sleepy day with LO since, thank goodness.
  • MsIan said:
    @araecasey I'm feeling better day by day. Today I even went for a walk. It was rough, but definitely manageable. I stopped taking the oxy and only take the ibuprofen when i really need it. We haven't had that dead sleepy day with LO since, thank goodness.
    I'm so glad to hear this. That's great :) I would actually recommend taking the ibuprofen on a regular schedule...don't wait until your pain is already bad. Do it regularly for the next week or so then back it off
  • folamijfolamij member
    Is there any truth to having a csection can delay your milk? I'm 4 days pp and yet nothing. Poor LO simply wasn't satisfied with colostrum so the nurses suggested I supplement. I'm also pumping too in hopes that helps. Any advice???
  • slfezzslfezz member
    My milk came in on day 4 PP with a c-section vs day 2-3 with my previous vaginal deliveries.

    This made for a few very rough days early on and I did end up supplementing some since she started becoming insatiable when trying to feed and wouldn't stay latched. I haven't had to supplement since my milk came in so hang in there. 

    Remember the important thing is to make sure you baby gets fed. I would just continue to offer the breast first and supplement afterwards if it seems LO is still hungry
  • folamij said:
    Is there any truth to having a csection can delay your milk? I'm 4 days pp and yet nothing. Poor LO simply wasn't satisfied with colostrum so the nurses suggested I supplement. I'm also pumping too in hopes that helps. Any advice???
    I think it's pretty typical to take more like 5-6 days with a c-section- I believe it has something to do with all the IV fluids they give you to avoid BP crashes. 
  • If I wanted to start pumping some to build a stash, but continue to feed from the breast for LO for now, when and how often should I pump? He currently eats every 2-3 hours. 
  • @folamij It can take longer after a csection-- anywhere from 3-6 days. Keep putting baby to the breast, even if you're supplementing after and do skin to skin to stimulate milk supply. I labored before both of my csections; my milk came in on days 4-5 the first time and days 2-3 the second time (which seems to be uncommonly early).
  • KurrantKurrant member
    (i mentioned all this in the PPD/Baby Blues thread but thought I would formally ask here) So I seem to still be drowning my baby in milk and I still seem to be making WAY too much foremilk.  30 minutes into a feed and I check whats coming out and its still watery looking and not that nice thicker creamy colored milk I am used to seeing by then.  I have been block feeding to lower my supply a bit (my midwife also suggested I do this) but it doesn't seem to be doing much.  She keep saying thats the reason Lucine is so fussy and angry all the time. Shes never full and she has an upset tummy from all the watery sugar milk. After a poor weigh in yesterday combined with finding out she is unsatisfied (along with needed a good night of sleep) we gave her a small bit of formula after feeding Breastmilk till she wouldn't accept anymore. She slept very soundly.  I'm really concerned that nothing is helping my milk situation.  Any advice?  Do I just keep my fingers crossed and keep block feeding?  Is there any reason not to give her formula with breastmilk?
  • kbrands7kbrands7 member
    edited May 2016
    @kurrant I'm sorry that you're still struggling with an oversupply. Sometimes block feeding can take a week or two to regulate supply. You could try a more aggressive form of block feeding if it's been a couple weeks without charge. This would be not only feeding from one side each time, but setting hours for each side. Ex: Anytime baby eats within a 3hr block, she'll eat from the same side. Then switch for the next 3hrs. Only hand express the other side for comfort if you get engorged. There are herbs too that you can try, but many recommend not using them until after 6 weeks unless the oversupply is extreme. This kellymom.com page has more details about this (it addresses fast letdown first, then oversupply): https://kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/supply-worries/fast-letdown/

    I developed a temporary oversupply with my first when I had to pump for him initially. It can be very frustrating until it's controlled. Hugs!

  • @araecasey We've been doing cross body and the football hold. 
  • KurrantKurrant member
    kbrands7 said:
    @kurrant I'm sorry that you're still struggling with an oversupply. Sometimes block feeding can take a week or two to regulate supply. You could try a more aggressive form of block feeding if it's been a couple weeks without charge. This would be not only feeding from one side each time, but setting hours for each side. Ex: Anytime baby eats within a 3hr block, she'll eat from the same side. Then switch for the next 3hrs. Only hand express the other side for comfort if you get engorged. There are herbs too that you can try, but many recommend not using them until after 6 weeks unless the oversupply is extreme. This kellymom.com page has more details about this (it addresses fast letdown first, then ovwrsupply): https://kellymom.com/bf/got-milk/supply-worries/fast-letdown/

    I developed a temporary oversupply with my first when I had to pump for him initially. It can be very frustrating until it's controlled. Hugs!

    Thanks.  :)   I have been actually doing about every 2-3 feeds on one side before switching but it has only been about a week.  I didn't even know about offering the second boob during one feed till after I read up on block feeding and it mentioned not offering both anymore.  I had always just been giving her one side anyway.  I'll try and remain vigilant and stick with it for another few weeks and hope it sorts itself out.  It's frustrating to feel like my breasts are causing Lucine issues like not gaining weight properly and being angry and frustrated all the time. 
  • folamij said:
    Is there any truth to having a csection can delay your milk? I'm 4 days pp and yet nothing. Poor LO simply wasn't satisfied with colostrum so the nurses suggested I supplement. I'm also pumping too in hopes that helps. Any advice???
    Definitely truth to that! Good for you for pumping in addition to nursing and supplementing. Please pump every time you give a supplement in order to tell your body exactly how much it needs to be making to keep up with your baby. I agree with kbrands, lots of skin to skin will help bring your milk in. Keep doing what you're doing, latch very frequently, don't limit time at the breast. Offer a supplement as needed after nursing sessions. I would wait to use a pacifier until your milk is in and baby is back to birth weight.

    AliciaD39 said:
    If I wanted to start pumping some to build a stash, but continue to feed from the breast for LO for now, when and how often should I pump? He currently eats every 2-3 hours. 
    My favorite way to build a stash is to nurse on one side and pump the other for the very first morning feeding of the day. I have a special nursing bra that's meant for tandem nursing/pumping, and it's super helpful. Tandem nursing/pumping is a great way to maximize your pumping output as well!

    Kurrant said:
    (i mentioned all this in the PPD/Baby Blues thread but thought I would formally ask here) So I seem to still be drowning my baby in milk and I still seem to be making WAY too much foremilk.  30 minutes into a feed and I check whats coming out and its still watery looking and not that nice thicker creamy colored milk I am used to seeing by then.  I have been block feeding to lower my supply a bit (my midwife also suggested I do this) but it doesn't seem to be doing much.  She keep saying thats the reason Lucine is so fussy and angry all the time. Shes never full and she has an upset tummy from all the watery sugar milk. After a poor weigh in yesterday combined with finding out she is unsatisfied (along with needed a good night of sleep) we gave her a small bit of formula after feeding Breastmilk till she wouldn't accept anymore. She slept very soundly.  I'm really concerned that nothing is helping my milk situation.  Any advice?  Do I just keep my fingers crossed and keep block feeding?  Is there any reason not to give her formula with breastmilk?
    Oh mama, I completely relate to what you're going through. My DD was the hardest baby I've ever met. I have some breastfeeding advice and some survival advice for you <3

    Breastfeeding: I agree with kbrands that you would benefit from extending your blocks a little longer. Have you read the Kellymom page on hindmilk/foremilk imbalance, and forceful letdown/how to navigate block feeds? If not, I highly recommend giving that a look. The info in those pages helped me tons when I was trying to regulate my supply downwards. If your oversupply really isn't responding like you'd like and little L is struggling to feel well, you might try a method of block feeding called Full Drainage and Block Feeding. This entails removing as much milk as possible by double pumping, massaging, hand expressing, and once your breasts are as empty as you can get them, THEN starting your block feeds. Care needs to be taken to do this as few times as possible because as you know removing milk from your breasts tells your body to make more. But the purpose of doing a full drain is so Luc immediately gets that hindmilk instead of wading through foremilk for weeks while your supply regulates downward. 

    Survival advice: When DD was a baby, I clung to this page called the 12 Features of a High Needs Baby. It described her perfectly. High needs babies typically can't be soothed with the 5 S's, No Cry Sleep Solution, Cry It Out, etc. My laptop is almost dead, so I can't elaborate too much more! Please reach out if you need some love and support.
  • @araecasey We've been doing cross body and the football hold. 
    Really quick before my laptop dies, go look for my posts on laid back positioning! I think that might be the ticket for you. Little babies easily slip off the breast into a shallow latch when we're having to hold them in place. When they're in control in the laid-back position, it's much easier to maintain a deep latch.
  • @Kurrant While I've still got some juice left, I wanna tell you that usually supply starts regulating and matching baby's needs somewhere at the 6-8 week mark. Can be a little longer depending on severity of oversupply. With the proper management (block feeds!), breastfeeding won't be so hard forever. There's a light at the end of the tunnel!!!
  • edited May 2016
    araecasey said:
    breastfeeding won't be so hard forever. There's a light at the end of the tunnel!
    I remind myself of this all the time right now. At first it was SO hard in so many ways (and for me very painful) but then later it became super easy, not painful, saved time, and made baby pretty portable as far as traveling. 
  • edited May 2016
    Regarding c-sections my first c-section the milk came in 4-5 days.
    2nd c-section early the 3rd day. 
  • MsIanMsIan member
    How long is everyone's LO's feeding? My LO nurses for 10-15 minutes and 15 is a really good day. He seems to be gaining weight and pees and poops often (about 6 or more of each a day). The poops are yellow and seedy but never a full diaper. Is he eating enough? He was 6.5 lbs when we left the hospital, 6 lbs 12 oz a few days later, and I'm pretty sure he's gained since that appointment. 
  • @mslan that sounds just fine! Any poop a quarter size or bigger counts on the newborn phase. 
  • 1. First time breastfeeder? Second+ timer?
     - First time. 

    2. What, if anything, have you done so far to prep for breastfeeding?
     - I've taken a breastfeeding class. 

    3. What's your number one burning question about breastfeeding 
    your newborn? (Let's leave questions beyond the newborn era for another discussion)
     - I'm not producing more than a drop of colostrum even when I'm pumping. Does this mean I won't be able to produce any breast milk at all? Feeling discouraged by this whole thing. Emily spent her first six hours in the NICU due to a suspected infection (ruled out, but we are both on antibiotics anyway), and since then her blood sugar has been on the low side so we have to continue to supplement with formula anyway. Except I can't produce any colostrum, so she's getting her diet pretty much entirely from the formula. 

    4. Experienced nursing mamas, what resource(s) did you rely on most when learning how to breastfeed? 
     - N/A
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  • edited May 2016
    MsIan said He seems to be gaining weight and pees and poops often (about 6 or more of each a day). The poops are yellow and seedy but never a full diaper. Is he eating enough? He was 6.5 lbs when we left the hospital, 6 lbs 12 oz a few days later, and I'm pretty sure he's gained since that appointment. 
    That sounds great! All of it. 

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