Let's talk confusing vaccines

Lanatir

Stargirlb said:

ladyamanuet said:

jennielynn+ said:

Disclaimer: FTM and definitely not an expert. I read through this thread this morning and really enjoyed the debate. I come from a medical family and have made a decision for our baby based on a bunch of the same things mentioned in this post/comments. 

Anyways, a friend sent me this a little while ago and I thought this was WAY TOO MUCH of a coincidence not to just post for anyone curious. It is based on a single person's 1st hand experience but, I did find it interesting. I never had any of the illnesses (except chickenpox) that vaccines prevent so, 1st hand experience is all I have to go on, previously that included only my parents stories. Just food for thought, take it or leave it.

https://www.slate.com/articles/life/family/2014/01/growing_up_unvaccinated_a_healthy_lifestyle_couldn_t_prevent_many_childhood.html?wpsrc=fol_fb

This was great, thanks for sharing. I especially appreciated this bit:

If you think your child’s immune system is strong enough to fight off vaccine-preventable diseases, then it’s strong enough to fight off the tiny amounts of dead or weakened pathogens present in any of the vaccines.

I am not concerned about weakened pathogens. From an ingredients standpoint, the most concerning to me is the aluminum adjuvant.  

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23609067

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21568886

https://katlynfoxfoundation.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/2012-Mechanism-of-adjuvant-toxicity-in-pediatric-populations.pdf

(sorry-- paywalls for first two. but I share these abstracts just to show it's being researched and discussed, and right now there isn't really much known about the long term effects of the adjuvants and potential long term autoimmunity. This work is being done out of UBC here by people I know personally.)

I understand aluminum concerns.  Aluminum has shown to increase alzheimers rates.  It's one reason I cut out deodorants that contain aluminum AND read shampoo bottles carefully AND don't use lotion like ever, as well as stick to TUMS (despite their ineffectiveness so far this pregnancy), and at times have put back certain foods if I read aluminum or an aluminum derivative in them-- all so I won't be absorbing extra aluminum.

I'm not saying stargirl is like this, but I can't tell you how many people I run into that are worried about aluminum, but re-apply a high percentage aluminum antiperspirant multiple times a day and don't read ingredients in their food...  If you're going to be worried about it in one source......

AHemm1986

I guess I'm more concerned about the long term effects of my child dying of a preventable illness / contracting something that may leave them permanently physically altered (polio) or being responsible for the death / injury of another immune compromised individual than a teeny tiny amount of aluminum from a vaccine. I get staying away from it in large quantities of exposure if that's your thing, but it just doesn't serve as a justification for not vaxing in my eyes.

Stargirlb

Aluminum in your food or beauty products or cookware is not the same as aluminum adjuvants in vaccines. There is a reason your vaccine can not be absorbed via frying pan... It won't stimulate immune response!