Have you ever been the parent of the screaming child? I have... and trust me, it's mortifying.
This! Sometimes you can't leave, like if you've already ordered, and are waiting for food to arrive with a hungry child. I will do anything in my power to quiet my kids in a restaurant, but sometimes they're loud. Yes, I would remove them if they were straight screaming, but I'd most likely bring them back when the food arrived (calmed to the point of not screaming!).
In that case we step outside and go back in when the meal is ready. Or if your child is going to be that hungry you should always have snacks on hand. I just had to do this last week. My husband had to order for us and my son and I went outside. He had to calm down before we went back inside. I knew he was hungry part of the crankiness, but I wasn't going to make everyone else hear it because we chose to go out someplace that didn't have something to snack on while we waited.
Have you ever been the parent of the screaming child? I have... and trust me, it's mortifying.
It is, but unless I'm just with friends at a park and my kid is throwing a stupid tantrum (one for no reason or because they don't want to follow the rules) I take them out immediately. The other people at the restaurant didn't ask to have their meal interrupted by a misbehaving child. Either teach the child better so tantrums in public are limited or don't eat out.
Yes of course. Because we all know toddlers will magically calm down once OUTSIDE a restaurant and there are never, ever people outside waiting or walking around either.
Folks who get pissed off about loud toddlers and babies on PLANES. Especially if the parents are clearly doing their best. This hasn't happened to me, but it happened to a girl on my BMB. Some old biddy loudly commented to her companion, "At least you aren't sitting in front of a screaming child!" about my friend's kid, who had cried a little at take-off and was sleeping at the time. Clearly for my friend to hear.
That I can understand. You can't exactly take them anywhere or even know if they are going to start screaming. You can have all the distractions in the world, but sometimes their ears just hurt and they don't know what to do other than scream.
Because we all know that taking the toddler outside in the 5-10 minutes before our food comes is the magic cure and they'll be perfect angels so we can come back inside and eat. And because, you know, just bring snacks...they wont chuck them at your head, they will calm down immediately and eat them like the good kids they are. Just tell them they need to act right. It will all be OK. Or you know, live in a cave forever and never go outside.
Our precious ears should not be subjected to your children acting like...children.
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Because we all know that taking the toddler outside in the 5-10 minutes before our food comes is the magic cure and they'll be perfect angels so we can come back inside and eat. And because, you know, just bring snacks...they wont chuck them at your head, they will calm down immediately and eat them like the good kids they are. Just tell them they need to act right. It will all be OK. Or you know, live in a cave forever and never go outside.
Our precious ears should not be subjected to your children acting like...children.
Actually yes. Because my children know I mean business and they will not be allowed to go back in if they cannot get themselves under control. Did it happen immediately, no. It's taken years of consistent parenting. My son is very stubborn and has fought it far more than my daughter, but if he's not under control we step outside. We don't do technology at restaurants. I don't want them to carry that behavior on when they are older. We distract by talking to them, coloring, or in worse case letting them eat the chips and salsa that.
We even do it on shopping trips. We do out shopping trips that he doesn't like before we go to a play date so if we are running late, it's his event that we are late to, but we stand outside in whatever weather until he is under control. He now realizes that we will still have to go shopping and the length of the tantrums has decreased significantly.
I am thrilled for you that those particular tactics work for your particular children.
Emphasis on ....YOUR children.
Even if you apparently never find yourself in "judgeworthy" situations, because your parenting tactics are so perfected, that still does not give you the right to judge OTHER parents with completely different children, different resources, different situations, different everything. THAT is the point.
Or by all means keep perpetuating the Mommy Wars. That helps.
@Stargirlb - Seriously, I understand your take on a lot of issues and I try to give you the benefit of the doubt when you go being all judgy. But could you please come down off your high horse for a minute? Maybe learn to pick your battles. Or at least don't try to fight them all in one day, for goodness sake.
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Wow. I totally agree with OP here. And yes, I have been the mom of the screaming toddler, and yes, I have boxed my food and left before.
We plan where we will go out to eat based on his mood if possible. Buffet if super hungry, drive through if a terror, family style if in reasonable mood, etc. I keep a few toys in my purse, order his food when we order drinks or very shortly after, and ask that they bring it as soon as it is ready. If he starts acting up, we deal with it. Whether it's a discussion at the table, in the restroom, or even outside. We try several avenues to entertain him (based on how unruly he is), and a game on the phone is toward the bottom of the list. If he won't calm down, we request a box and check.
My husband and I go to family style restaurants for date night. We like their food and the general atmosphere. We don't have many options for 'fine dining' less than an hour away, and most of them don't serve any food my husband enjoys. Plus, they are much more budget friendly.
I understand when parents are trying to teach their kids and when they are trying to reign them in. I hate when parents do not make any effort to fix the problem and have no consideration for those around them. Family style does not mean temper tantrum city.
something about this bothers me--probably the fact that these photos were (I'm assuming) all taken by stealth strangers. there's just something disturbing about posting pictures of random children in order to shame their parents. it reminds me of the whole headless fatty phenomenon for some reason.
Oh and the leash thing is ridiculous. Definitely not using that for my current or future toddler.
Eta: more power to you if you use it. I just could never keep a straight face. I feel like it is equating your child with a dog.
Yes, that is great those methods work for your children. I'm truly not being snarky when I say I am glad that works for your family. I applaud any parent doing what they feel is best for their child . However, after some trial and error, do you know what I have found that works best for my toddler ( and no this isn't what worked for his sister) ? Walking away and ignoring him. Sometimes he calms down within a few seconds and sometimes it takes him a few minutes.
Do you know what doesn't work for him ? Taking him outside. That will only open a pandora's box of stuff for him to throw fits over and trust me these fits would last a long time. So would it be ok for those people waiting outside to be subjected to his screaming ? Who do I choose to offend in that case, or should I be given the benefit of a doubt that I am doing my best to help my child ? Just because it isn't what you would do if you were in my situation, doesn't make my methods wrong or bad. They are just different.
Oh and the leash thing is ridiculous. Definitely not using that for my current or future toddler.
Eta: more power to you if you use it. I just could never keep a straight face. I feel like it is equating your child with a dog.
Care to explain how a leash is worse than a stroller?
Is it just because it makes my kid look like a dog? That's what the battle is over? Appearances? A backpack that looks like a monkey with the tail as a means to keep my kid from bolting away? That my kid ENJOYS wearing? If anything I've always felt like it's more independent than being strapped in a stroller...he can run around...exercise. Do you use A stroller? How dare you. You're jailing your child. You know they make strollers for dogs too? ((TIC obviously... I use the shit out of my stoller too))
Look like a dog vs. Running into traffic or getting lost in a giant sea of people at a theme park or airport. Hmmmmmm. Tough choice.
Oh and the leash thing is ridiculous. Definitely not using that for my current or future toddler.
Eta: more power to you if you use it. I just could never keep a straight face. I feel like it is equating your child with a dog.
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This is one I can definitely say never. My son is nearly three. I can guarantee we will not use one for him. I hold my son's hand in public. Carry him if need be. Put him I. The shopping cart. Leave. Plenty if options which don't include dehumanizing my child.
Oh and the leash thing is ridiculous. Definitely not using that for my current or future toddler.
Eta: more power to you if you use it. I just could never keep a straight face. I feel like it is equating your child with a dog.
never say never my friend
This is one I can definitely say never. My son is nearly three. I can guarantee we will not use one for him. I hold my son's hand in public. Carry him if need be. Put him I. The shopping cart. Leave. Plenty if options which don't include dehumanizing my child.
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When oh when will the judgey Mc judgersons and the crazies GBCB?
Oh and the leash thing is ridiculous. Definitely not using that for my current or future toddler.
Eta: more power to you if you use it. I just could never keep a straight face. I feel like it is equating your child with a dog.
never say never my friend
This is one I can definitely say never. My son is nearly three. I can guarantee we will not use one for him. I hold my son's hand in public. Carry him if need be. Put him I. The shopping cart. Leave. Plenty if options which don't include dehumanizing my child.
that's great. I am glad it worked for you. For some it doesn't. Doesn't mean they are dehumanizing them. If it keeps a child safe, why do you care? I held my kid's hand one day becasue it was a busy day and there were no more carts. I had a basket in one hand and him in the other. And guess what, he wiggled his hand out of mine, dodged around some displays, and was faster then I was, I lost him down an aisle and couldn't find him for 10 minutes. Want to know where I found him? The parking lot. So what is worse, a kid with a monkey on his back or a kid being hit by a car?
I don't really care if you answer this- I never had to use a leash because that day he got a giant swat on the ass and he never did that again (you can go ahead and judge for spanking too- that was something I swore I would NEVER do, but whatever) but after that day I considered it.
So good for you for never using a leash or even considering it. I'm glad you never had to go through the absolute terror of losing your son and finding him 3 steps away from being hit by a car.
I've said that I don't care if you use a leash for your child. I don't get how saying that I never will and my rationale is judgy. And the 'dehumanizing' comment was an emotional response to the post telling me to never say never.
So I guess I can only go out to eat during the summer. I live in MN where it gets frigid in the winter. There is no way I'm taking my child outside in January just to avoid snarky looks. It's not possible to always take the child outside until they calm down.
I've said that I don't care if you use a leash for your child. I don't get how saying that I never will and my rationale is judgy. And the 'dehumanizing' comment was an emotional response to the post telling me to never say never.
I dont like them. If they work for you, use them.
Sorry you cant say in one breath that youre "Not judging" but in the next say "it equates to a dog" ... "dehumanizing".... "is ridiculous".
I've said that I don't care if you use a leash for your child. I don't get how saying that I never will and my rationale is judgy. And the 'dehumanizing' comment was an emotional response to the post telling me to never say never.
I dont like them. If they work for you, use them.
using the term "dehumanizing" is judging.
Saying, "Well I could never do that, but you do it if you need to" is judging.
I am glad you never had to use a leash- good for you- there is no medal at the end of the parenting road, So once again, good for you.
So I guess I can only go out to eat during the summer. I live in MN where it gets frigid in the winter. There is no way I'm taking my child outside in January just to avoid snarky looks. It's not possible to always take the child outside until they calm down.
just wait till you get the nasty looks because you only have your kid in a light jacket with a blanket in the carseat instead of a big puffy coat. Don't you know it is freezing out there and they should be in a snowsuit in that carseat???????
Well, this thread has a great mix of LOL, WTF, and face palms.
I thought before I had DS, "I will discipline my child, and he will be civilized and respectful in restaurants," and I realized that sometimes that is not a realistic expectation of a baby/toddler. I try, and I do take him outside sometimes, but that doesn't always work. Giving him snacks or other quiet activities isn't always effective either. We do our best, and we don't eat out often, but hopefully people can have a little grace if DS acts like a normal 18 month old.
I also didn't think I'd use a baby leash, but when DS doesn't want to be held, hold my hand, or be in the stroller or sit down (like at DH's flag football games) a baby leash is a good alternative. If it keeps him from running onto the field or into the street and getting trampled, I see that as a good thing. LOL to it being dehumanizing.
I've said that I don't care if you use a leash for your child. I don't get how saying that I never will and my rationale is judgy. And the 'dehumanizing' comment was an emotional response to the post telling me to never say never.
I dont like them. If they work for you, use them.
using the term "dehumanizing" is judging.
Saying, "Well I could never do that, but you do it if you need to" is judging.
I am glad you never had to use a leash- good for you- there is no medal at the end of the parenting road, So once again, good for you.
If you don't like them, don't use them. But using the term dehumanizing is too far.
Most people who use leashes are doing to to keep their child safe. I will do whatever it takes to keep my child alive and safe. I think I'm being a good parent by doing that?
If you want to get your panties in a bunch over something, go judge the horrible people who actually do dehumanize their children by starving them or physically or sexually abusing them.
Using a leash that looks like a stuffed monkey is not going to damage my child for the rest of her life, I promise.
DS had a "leash" but we only used it twice. Not because it was ineffective but because he would lay down in the floor refusing to move. So it was either drag him across the floor or take it off.
And on that note, I very much support the idea of child-free planes and restaurants. Let the folks who are bothered by children have their child-free zones. (Plus, it's a nice break for parents who want an adult night out.)
And on that note, I very much support the idea of child-free planes and restaurants. Let the folks who are bothered by children have their child-free zones. (Plus, it's a nice break for parents who want an adult night out.)
That is how I view it. It is why I could not use it. I do not judge you for using it. I'm sorry that you take my words that way. Perhaps I am not the best at expressing my views. My thoughts on it are, we should agree to disagree. I am sure you love your children and are doing what you think is best. There are many many different parenting methods/tools out there. Just because one works for you, doesnt mean it works for me.
If admitting that I said something emotionally is backpedalling, then yes, I backpedalled. It does remind me of a dog to see a child on a leash. I find it more humorous than dehumanizing.
I hate when people say never say never to people, especially when it comes to parenting. There are some things in life to which we can say never and be accurate.
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Um...No.
Just no.
We even do it on shopping trips. We do out shopping trips that he doesn't like before we go to a play date so if we are running late, it's his event that we are late to, but we stand outside in whatever weather until he is under control. He now realizes that we will still have to go shopping and the length of the tantrums has decreased significantly.
We plan where we will go out to eat based on his mood if possible. Buffet if super hungry, drive through if a terror, family style if in reasonable mood, etc. I keep a few toys in my purse, order his food when we order drinks or very shortly after, and ask that they bring it as soon as it is ready. If he starts acting up, we deal with it. Whether it's a discussion at the table, in the restroom, or even outside. We try several avenues to entertain him (based on how unruly he is), and a game on the phone is toward the bottom of the list. If he won't calm down, we request a box and check.
My husband and I go to family style restaurants for date night. We like their food and the general atmosphere. We don't have many options for 'fine dining' less than an hour away, and most of them don't serve any food my husband enjoys. Plus, they are much more budget friendly.
I understand when parents are trying to teach their kids and when they are trying to reign them in. I hate when parents do not make any effort to fix the problem and have no consideration for those around them. Family style does not mean temper tantrum city.
Maybe it's because I have been in the most boring professional development class on the planet today, but I found those pictures hysterical.
I have chased my kid around target way to many times to care if others put theirs on a leash.
I don't have time to care about leashes.
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Eta: more power to you if you use it. I just could never keep a straight face. I feel like it is equating your child with a dog.
A kiss he will never forget- Disney World 2014
This is one I can definitely say never. My son is nearly three. I can guarantee we will not use one for him. I hold my son's hand in public. Carry him if need be. Put him I. The shopping cart. Leave. Plenty if options which don't include dehumanizing my child.
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When oh when will the judgey Mc judgersons and the crazies GBCB?

<p align="center"that's great. I am glad it worked for you. For some it doesn't. Doesn't mean they are dehumanizing them. If it keeps a child safe, why do you care? I held my kid's hand one day becasue it was a busy day and there were no more carts. I had a basket in one hand and him in the other. And guess what, he wiggled his hand out of mine, dodged around some displays, and was faster then I was, I lost him down an aisle and couldn't find him for 10 minutes. Want to know where I found him? The parking lot. So what is worse, a kid with a monkey on his back or a kid being hit by a car?
I don't really care if you answer this- I never had to use a leash because that day he got a giant swat on the ass and he never did that again (you can go ahead and judge for spanking too- that was something I swore I would NEVER do, but whatever) but after that day I considered it.
So good for you for never using a leash or even considering it. I'm glad you never had to go through the absolute terror of losing your son and finding him 3 steps away from being hit by a car.
A kiss he will never forget- Disney World 2014
I dont like them. If they work for you, use them.
using the term "dehumanizing" is judging.
Saying, "Well I could never do that, but you do it if you need to" is judging.
I am glad you never had to use a leash- good for you- there is no medal at the end of the parenting road, So once again, good for you.
A kiss he will never forget- Disney World 2014
A kiss he will never forget- Disney World 2014
I thought before I had DS, "I will discipline my child, and he will be civilized and respectful in restaurants," and I realized that sometimes that is not a realistic expectation of a baby/toddler. I try, and I do take him outside sometimes, but that doesn't always work. Giving him snacks or other quiet activities isn't always effective either. We do our best, and we don't eat out often, but hopefully people can have a little grace if DS acts like a normal 18 month old.
I also didn't think I'd use a baby leash, but when DS doesn't want to be held, hold my hand, or be in the stroller or sit down (like at DH's flag football games) a baby leash is a good alternative. If it keeps him from running onto the field or into the street and getting trampled, I see that as a good thing. LOL to it being dehumanizing.
If you don't like them, don't use them. But using the term dehumanizing is too far.
Most people who use leashes are doing to to keep their child safe. I will do whatever it takes to keep my child alive and safe. I think I'm being a good parent by doing that?
If you want to get your panties in a bunch over something, go judge the horrible people who actually do dehumanize their children by starving them or physically or sexually abusing them.
Using a leash that looks like a stuffed monkey is not going to damage my child for the rest of her life, I promise.
Oh the fun times of toddlerhood.
DSS: 15 DS: 7
DD born 1/3/15
If admitting that I said something emotionally is backpedalling, then yes, I backpedalled. It does remind me of a dog to see a child on a leash. I find it more humorous than dehumanizing.
I hate when people say never say never to people, especially when it comes to parenting. There are some things in life to which we can say never and be accurate.