UO Thursday 3/20

BP607

They have just selected for it over time and have a certain breed of chicken that is known for producing large breasts.  The poultry industry does not use hormones, they just feed them well and they grow at a rapid rate.  Also, I think the brine they can pump them with allows it to be 20% of the weight (I could be off on my number here, but it is a decent percentage), so that adds to the volume significantly.  If you like smaller breasts you are better off buying non-enhanced breasts, but they easily dry out when cooking since they don't have the extra solution. 

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zellatrix

BP607 said:

They have just selected for it over time and have a certain breed of chicken that is known for producing large breasts.  The poultry industry does not use hormones, they just feed them well and they grow at a rapid rate.  Also, I think the brine they can pump them with allows it to be 20% of the weight (I could be off on my number here, but it is a decent percentage), so that adds to the volume significantly.  If you like smaller breasts you are better off buying non-enhanced breasts, but they easily dry out when cooking since they don't have the extra solution. 

I like what you are saying, but just for my peace of mind, where do you get your info? 

katnipeverclean

Pup4gdb said:

Pup4gdb said:

  I am 100% ok with petting IF someone asks and respects my answer. My dog is in training. He's a puppy and petting is a great stress reducer and a huge reward. If my dog's behavior has earned the interaction and someone asks, I will say yes. But don't send your brat over to bug my dog because you want a break. Don't do a "drive by" petting. Don't tell me "oh I know I'm not supposed to pet him, but I can't help myself." Yes you can. You are an adult. Grow up. And the quickest way to piss me off is to imply that I should allow you to crawl under my dining table in a restaurant to visit my dog. Sorry, I'm paying for my experience just as you are. I'm not paying to have you crawl under my table and disturb my dog's "work." His job in that moment to lie still until I ask him to do otherwise. People who don't ask are a learning experience for my dog. I'm pretty blunt in talking "to" my dog about the rewards and consequences he faces. "Don't let someone else's bad behavior get you in trouble. You know that behavior is not acceptable." It makes people think twice about how they are directly causing any negative or positive feedback the dog is getting.

This is so hard to teach. DD has always had 4 dogs and we have had to work on always always always asking the owner if it is ok to pet their dog. It's something we insist upon and I can't understand people who pet strange dogs without getting their owner's permission first.

Your daughter is just (almost) 3, right? I'm not a total wench. I get that it takes teaching, but the parent's attitude about it goes a long way! I'm happy to talk to kids about why we ask or about what my dog does. I'm ok with parents asking about petting for the child. Saturday we were in SF and a kid (10ish??) had her dog on a flexi leash and was allowing the dog to walk between my dog's back legs. I stopped and asked her to keep her dog back or to walk around us. I was polite. Mom went apeshit on me. Sorry, someone needs to teach your child dog to dog etiquette. You don't know that the next dog you do that to won't flip around and bite your yorkie's face off. And it would be your child's fault (ie your fault). And you don't know that your dog will distract my dog so much that it could miss an essential function it is supposed to do - stopping at a traffic light, detecting low blood sugar or seizure, etc that would be me in danger.

No I was totally agreeing with you about people needing to teach their kids how to approach dogs, it's something we've worked on with DD (yes, three on Saturday ( )since she was old enough to know to reach for a dog. I've been around dogs my whole life, I've worked with them and I find it appalling the lack of restraint that people show around strange dogs. I mean one of my schnauzers does not like kids very much. She's great with DD, but she might snap at a strange kid. I guess that's what I was saying is that although it's tough to teach kids who are just excited to see OMG PUPPIES!!! it's really important. Maybe then we would have less idiotic adults who reach for a dog without asking the owner.

livkight

shanicenicolle-- Hopefully. Though babies are a very limited part of an OBs practice. Maybe the guys I've seen like babies but feel like they can be rude to the babies' mothers...

iris427

abundancenow said:

iris427 said:

abundancenow said:

Kristy&Rodney said:

I can't stand food fear mongering going on lately, I don't see anything wrong with GMO's (to a certain degree) and I think naturopathy is nothing more than a scam.   There you go, my first UO.  And I also dislike Mercola and Dr. Oz pretty much equally.  Mercola I hate just a little bit more though. 

I hope it is unpopular to think there is nothing wrong with GMOs.

You can start here if you were curious.

Right off the bat, #1 on that list is ridiculous. GMOs are like any other technology. Saying they are "good" or "bad" is a vast oversimplification, and the pros and cons depend on how the technology is used.

I don't agree that the statement is ridiculous or oversimplified.

The article over all is somewhat simplified, but I wanted to present this in an easy to understand way.  Point #1 is followed up with examples of why GMOs are unhealthy.  There is plenty more complex research available that backs that statement up.

You don't think it is ridiculous to imply GMOs have caused rising rates of autism and infertility? Because that is what the article does.

marsalisails

BP607 said:

They have just selected for it over time and have a certain breed of chicken that is known for producing large breasts.  The poultry industry does not use hormones, they just feed them well and they grow at a rapid rate.  Also, I think the brine they can pump them with allows it to be 20% of the weight (I could be off on my number here, but it is a decent percentage), so that adds to the volume significantly.  If you like smaller breasts you are better off buying non-enhanced breasts, but they easily dry out when cooking since they don't have the extra solution. 

i second this - by law, producers can't use hormones in poultry or pork.

BP607

zarkarella said:

BP607 said:

They have just selected for it over time and have a certain breed of chicken that is known for producing large breasts.  The poultry industry does not use hormones, they just feed them well and they grow at a rapid rate.  Also, I think the brine they can pump them with allows it to be 20% of the weight (I could be off on my number here, but it is a decent percentage), so that adds to the volume significantly.  If you like smaller breasts you are better off buying non-enhanced breasts, but they easily dry out when cooking since they don't have the extra solution. 

I like what you are saying, but just for my peace of mind, where do you get your info? 

I have a Master's Degree in Animal Science/Meat Science and have previously been employed by a company in the meat industry and now work in agriculture. So, I guess it's just myself, but it's knowledge I have learned over time. If you want specific resources, I can hunt them down for you.

iris427

livkight said:

I really don't know why men become OBGYNs. How do you develop a specialized interest in lady parts outside of some really weird stuff? 

I only bring this up because EVERY male OB I've seen so far was old, very awkward in feeling around for baby and her heartbeat, and tried to be a "funny guy" about some serious issues. 

I really don't get it. 

Crazy thought here--maybe they genuinely care about the health of women and children and are mature enough to have a real scientific interest in reproduction beyond "heh heh vaginas!" I've had great experiences with male OB/gyns. The male doctor who attended my VBAC was amazing.

livkight

iris427 -- that's good to hear! I've only had bad experiences and just got back from an especially rough appt with a male OB. But I'm sure you're right. I just have a bad attitude at the moment. :P

cookieinva

livkight said:

I really don't know why men become OBGYNs. How do you develop a specialized interest in lady parts outside of some really weird stuff? 

I only bring this up because EVERY male OB I've seen so far was old, very awkward in feeling around for baby and her heartbeat, and tried to be a "funny guy" about some serious issues. 

I really don't get it. 

Huh. My ob practice has 8 practitioners, 4 male and 4 female. When I first was a patient I went to one of the females as my primary ob. When I got pregnant I had to see all of them, and liked all of them. In fact, I liked one of the male obs so much I switched to having him as my primary. None of the male obs I have encountered are weird or awkward and only some of them are old. The old ones make sense really - who was primarily going to med school 30-40 years ago? Men, probably mostly white men. Maybe I have a UO that I would never choose (or avoid) a dr solely based on sex.

marsalisails

BP607 said:

zarkarella said:

BP607 said:

They have just selected for it over time and have a certain breed of chicken that is known for producing large breasts.  The poultry industry does not use hormones, they just feed them well and they grow at a rapid rate.  Also, I think the brine they can pump them with allows it to be 20% of the weight (I could be off on my number here, but it is a decent percentage), so that adds to the volume significantly.  If you like smaller breasts you are better off buying non-enhanced breasts, but they easily dry out when cooking since they don't have the extra solution. 

I like what you are saying, but just for my peace of mind, where do you get your info? 

I have a Master's Degree in Animal Science/Meat Science and have previously been employed by a company in the meat industry and now work in agriculture. So, I guess it's just myself, but it's knowledge I have learned over time. If you want specific resources, I can hunt them down for you.

i think i'm in love with you.  i develop environmental sustainability programs for a very large food service provider, and this is something i'm totally geeking out on right now.  i'm an operations person (waste, water energy, etc.), but food is becoming my jam...

zellatrix

BP607 said:

zarkarella said:

BP607 said:

They have just selected for it over time and have a certain breed of chicken that is known for producing large breasts.  The poultry industry does not use hormones, they just feed them well and they grow at a rapid rate.  Also, I think the brine they can pump them with allows it to be 20% of the weight (I could be off on my number here, but it is a decent percentage), so that adds to the volume significantly.  If you like smaller breasts you are better off buying non-enhanced breasts, but they easily dry out when cooking since they don't have the extra solution. 

I like what you are saying, but just for my peace of mind, where do you get your info? 

I have a Master's Degree in Animal Science/Meat Science and have previously been employed by a company in the meat industry and now work in agriculture. So, I guess it's just myself, but it's knowledge I have learned over time. If you want specific resources, I can hunt them down for you.

Lol, that works for me. You sounded like you knew what you were talking about, but I didn't want to just assume. I would like to see the law that says hormones aren't allowed in the poultry industry... but I'm in no rush. Sure makes me feel a hell of a lot better though. No matter where I buy it. 

iris427

I also want to add that the male OB I had for my VBAC actually had me get naked at appointments way less than the female OB I had for my first delivery. So clearly he was not driven by some perverted obsession with lady parts. He actually saw female patients as human beings and wanted them to get the best health care during a very important time in their lives, and felt he could provide that. After my delivery, he joined Doctors Without Borders and went to some dangerous parts of the world to help save women's lives. But yeah, what a perv.

ashcross

LiteraChick said:

ashcross said:

I hate selfies and I hate people posting pictures of themselves in their bikinis on FB. I mean let's be real here. You are only begging and asking for comments like "you are so hot" "sexy bitch," etc. 

And people wonder why I hate celeb/whores like Kim Kardashian with her 5 selfies a day making headlines on CNN.

OMFGTITS! Why are we celebrating idiots like that? She is so....... dumb. Not even entertainingly dumb, but dumb.

Completely agree. Nothing makes me more pissed off than to see celebrity bs on the news especially people like Kim Kardashian. 

livkight

iris427 said:

I also want to add that the male OB I had for my VBAC actually had me get naked at appointments way less than the female OB I had for my first delivery. So clearly he was not driven by some perverted obsession with lady parts. He actually saw female patients as human beings and wanted them to get the best health care during a very important time in their lives, and felt he could provide that. After my delivery, he joined Doctors Without Borders and went to some dangerous parts of the world to help save women's lives. But yeah, what a perv.

Ugh, why have I gotten only the weirdest and most awkward male OBs!? I am very glad to know that most are not this way.

AKbadwolf

I don't care if my OB is male or female as long as they have long skinny fingers.

abunai523

livkight said:

I really don't know why men become OBGYNs. How do you develop a specialized interest in lady parts outside of some really weird stuff? 

I only bring this up because EVERY male OB I've seen so far was old, very awkward in feeling around for baby and her heartbeat, and tried to be a "funny guy" about some serious issues. 

I really don't get it. 

My OB is a middle aged guy. Honestly, he's great. Very frank, answers my questions, makes everything feel very ho-hum and relaxed. He won't be delivering me (teaching hospital, and he doesn't deliver anymore anyway) but I think OBGYNs are just like any other doctor. One way or another that's what they ended up in, some have good bedside manner, some don't, and their gender doesn't really play a part in the equation.

marsalisails

@zarkarella - i'm not sure where the specific FDA citation is, but if you go here on the USDA site, it says that federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones in chicken and pork - that's why labeling either as "hormone free" is disingenuous b/c it's not allowed anyway.

and that was my first time trying a hyperlink, so i hope it works!  here it is cut and pasted:

NO HORMONES (pork or poultry):
Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry. Therefore, the claim "no hormones added" cannot be used on the labels of pork or poultry unless it is followed by a statement that says "Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones."

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NO HORMONES (beef):
The term "no hormones administered" may be approved for use on the label of beef products if sufficient documentation is provided to the Agency by the producer showing no hormones have been used in raising the animals.

 

zellatrix

AKbadwolf said:

I don't care if my OB is male or female as long as they have long skinny fingers.

This... I love my tiny little lady doctor... she has very small hands. Never mind... just realized they are also short, so she basically has to shove her fist in there. Fun times ahead!

iris427

livkight said:

iris427 said:

I also want to add that the male OB I had for my VBAC actually had me get naked at appointments way less than the female OB I had for my first delivery. So clearly he was not driven by some perverted obsession with lady parts. He actually saw female patients as human beings and wanted them to get the best health care during a very important time in their lives, and felt he could provide that. After my delivery, he joined Doctors Without Borders and went to some dangerous parts of the world to help save women's lives. But yeah, what a perv.

Ugh, why have I gotten only the weirdest and most awkward male OBs!? I am very glad to know that most are not this way.

Bad luck? In college the male OB who worked at our student health center looked like a total creeper child molester, but luckily I haven't run into others like him haha. And I agree with whoever said an OB with skinny fingers is the best of all!

zellatrix

Matthew930 said:

@zarkarella - i'm not sure where the specific FDA citation is, but if you go here on the USDA site, it says that federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones in chicken and pork - that's why labeling either as "hormone free" is disingenuous b/c it's not allowed anyway.

and that was my first time trying a hyperlink, so i hope it works!  here it is cut and pasted:

NO HORMONES (pork or poultry):
Hormones are not allowed in raising hogs or poultry. Therefore, the claim "no hormones added" cannot be used on the labels of pork or poultry unless it is followed by a statement that says "Federal regulations prohibit the use of hormones."

[Top of Page]

NO HORMONES (beef):
The term "no hormones administered" may be approved for use on the label of beef products if sufficient documentation is provided to the Agency by the producer showing no hormones have been used in raising the animals.

 

This is fantastic news to me. I have a local guy I can get grass fed beef from at our farmers market but was always so worried about chicken. (best tasting hamburgers in the entire world) Seriously, my life just got less stressful. 

abundancenow

BP607 said:

abundancenow said:

shanicenicolle said:

abundancenow said:

Kristy&Rodney said:

I can't stand food fear mongering going on lately, I don't see anything wrong with GMO's (to a certain degree) and I think naturopathy is nothing more than a scam.   There you go, my first UO.  And I also dislike Mercola and Dr. Oz pretty much equally.  Mercola I hate just a little bit more though. 

I hope it is unpopular to think there is nothing wrong with GMOs.

You can start here if you were curious.

That info is really slanted on how you define a GMO. Corn for example is completely man made and by broad definition a GMO due to cross-pollination. I think there can be good that comes from hybrid plants but like everything else can be taken too far.

I agree that the term GMO can be too broadly defined and do see benefits from some hybrids.  

 

In my opinion, corn is a great example of one of the most abused crops through genetically modifying crops, driven by profits for large corporations vs concern for health and well being of society.

Ig.  Corn feed is used to plump up cattle, but is not even digestible by cows. Because it is cheap and easily grown due to all the modifying, farmers are pushed to use it.  Cows are pumped with antibiotics and need to be aided through the digestion process (by having holes surgically opened through their stomachs) because it is not a natural part of their diet.

This is just how GMO impacts us almost in a second hand way because of all the issue of eating meat that has high levels of antibiotics or sick cows.

There's also the concern for allergies and how these foods will impact our health long term. 

OK...what??

First of all..whole corn is usually not fed to cattle, it is processed in some way either by heat or some other form of processing that allows the nutrients to be absorbed.

I'm not sure what you are referring to about the holes being surgically opened in their stomachs?  I work in agriculture and I can assure you nothing like this goes on in the cattle industry.

Cattle are also vaccinated and given antibiotics to keep them healthy.  

I obviously don't work in agriculture, but am fascinated by the industry of it.  Maybe I got some info mixed up here because I couldn't find the source from where I thought this info originated from, except perhaps it was in regards to reseach, they cut holes to see the digestive process.  I thought that it was used to aid the process and that it had to do with gas that farmers had to cut in to stomachs to pump antibiotics directly to the infected area.

I understand the corn is processed prior to feeding. Thanks for providing the correct information.

abundancenow

@iris247 you said You don't think it is ridiculous to imply GMOs have caused rising rates of autism and infertility? Because that is what the article does.

Do you know what causes autism?  Everything I read is so uncertain and it's not beyond my thinking that in the future they could link toxins from GMOs to autism.  I hope more research is done to rule out and pinpoint what is causing the rise in autism besides better diagnoses.

The article is clear to say that there is not a link to autism.

As for connections to reproductive issues, yes I do believe there is a connection that is supported by research.

iris427

No I don't know what causes autism. No one does. There may be a number of factors involved. It's irresponsible to imply connections between autism and whatever you want to demonized (GMOs, vaccines, ultrasounds, whatever) and try to scare people. And the article may say there is no proven link, but it clearly is trying to plant the idea in the reader's head that GMOs are linked to autism, otherwise why would they even bring it up?

abundancenow

luckynumbers81  i fixed the link

@luckynumbers81 & @iris427

I appreciate all the feedback from you and others and will expand my research on the topic for sure.  I don't work in science, farming, or medicine, so I really have no professional view point on this and am just primarily interested for my own health and wellness and that of my family.  I don't think I've demonized GMOs, but wanted to bring a contrasting viewpoint.  I do believe there are some benefits to GMOs, but I still hope that others will consider that there are some harmful concerns.  

I have to get going, but thanks for engaging with me in the conversation, it certainly got me thinking and helped my day move along, take care!

3:-O

drunkenhandstand

livkight said:

iris427 -- that's good to hear! I've only had bad experiences and just got back from an especially rough appt with a male OB. But I'm sure you're right. I just have a bad attitude at the moment. :P

I've experienced two complete douche bag male OBs so I get the stereotype but you've got to have faith there are some out there who genuinely care about women's health and are good at their job.

Big+Lil

sharmon1317 said:

Elephant babies are truly the cutest things in the world! He is sooo happy!!

He's extra happy because he entertains all the guests that ride The Jungle Cruise at Disneyland.

marsalisails

This is fantastic news to me. I have a local guy I can get grass fed beef from at our .farmers market but was always so worried about chicken. (best tasting hamburgers in the entire world) Seriously, my life just got less stressful. 

That labeling guidance is pretty decent, and it is a good primer on false claims and what to look out for.

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TallMomma29

Wow, reading through this UO thread was stressful!  I was a little confused about the calling out the ass kissing thing and trying to figure out what the deal was and then I was overwhelmed by Walmart vs. Target and pictures of baby animals.  I was all "Target, Walmart, Baby Animals, who cares?!  What is this whole ass-kissing complaint about?!"  I still have no idea what is going on with that (unless it was really just a passive-aggressive comment directed at a very small number of regular posters who are perhaps go overboard with compliments?), or why I cared enough to try to figure out what was going on.  

Excuse me while I now go back and look more closely at the baby animals ;-)  

BP607

@abundancenow‌ -- yes those animals are for research and they are called canulated cattle. They are for studying the digestive processes.

Salsera29

livkight said:

I really don't know why men become OBGYNs. How do you develop a specialized interest in lady parts outside of some really weird stuff? 

I only bring this up because EVERY male OB I've seen so far was old, very awkward in feeling around for baby and her heartbeat, and tried to be a "funny guy" about some serious issues. 

I really don't get it. 

I dated a med student for 3 years, and during that time he had to choose his specialty. One of the benefits of OB/GYN is that it's a sub-surgical specialty, which means the doctors see patients in an office and also do surgery. There are not many of these...I know urology is one and ENT is another (but ENT residencies are very difficult to get). 

At the end of the day vaginas end up being no more scandalous than elbows to them.

My ex ended up choosing urology...good lord did I hear stories. He started his residency in an inner-city hospital...you'd be shocked at how many men get shot in the balls!

Kabee4

I prefer male OB/GYNs. I've had poor experiences with females. When I was young, I had fibroids in my chest and she made me undress in front of several other nurses/doctors. It was extremely traumatizing. I also had open surgery that took 8 weeks to recover from and she did the procedure wrong.

Males have given me more respect and better procedures. I'll stick with males from now on.

hgtvmom

SarahVol131 said:

Pup4gdb said:

SarahVol131 said:

Pup4gdb said:

shanicenicolle said:

 

I am 100% ok with petting IF someone asks and respects my answer. My dog is in training. He's a puppy and petting is a great stress reducer and a huge reward. If my dog's behavior has earned the interaction and someone asks, I will say yes. But don't send your brat over to bug my dog because you want a break. Don't do a "drive by" petting. Don't tell me "oh I know I'm not supposed to pet him, but I can't help myself." Yes you can. You are an adult. Grow up. And the quickest way to piss me off is to imply that I should allow you to crawl under my dining table in a restaurant to visit my dog. Sorry, I'm paying for my experience just as you are. I'm not paying to have you crawl under my table and disturb my dog's "work." His job in that moment to lie still until I ask him to do otherwise.

People who don't ask are a learning experience for my dog. I'm pretty blunt in talking "to" my dog about the rewards and consequences he faces. "Don't let someone else's bad behavior get you in trouble. You know that behavior is not acceptable." It makes people think twice about how they are directly causing any negative or positive feedback the dog is getting.

This is so hard to teach. DD has always had 4 dogs and we have had to work on always always always asking the owner if it is ok to pet their dog. It's something we insist upon and I can't understand people who pet strange dogs without getting their owner's permission first.

Your daughter is just (almost) 3, right? I'm not a total wench. I get that it takes teaching, but the parent's attitude about it goes a long way! I'm happy to talk to kids about why we ask or about what my dog does. I'm ok with parents asking about petting for the child.

Saturday we were in SF and a kid (10ish??) had her dog on a flexi leash and was allowing the dog to walk between my dog's back legs. I stopped and asked her to keep her dog back or to walk around us. I was polite. Mom went apeshit on me. Sorry, someone needs to teach your child dog to dog etiquette. You don't know that the next dog you do that to won't flip around and bite your yorkie's face off. And it would be your child's fault (ie your fault). And you don't know that your dog will distract my dog so much that it could miss an essential function it is supposed to do - stopping at a traffic light, detecting low blood sugar or seizure, etc that would be me in danger.



No I was totally agreeing with you about people needing to teach their kids how to approach dogs, it's something we've worked on with DD (yes, three on Saturday ( )since she was old enough to know to reach for a dog. I've been around dogs my whole life, I've worked with them and I find it appalling the lack of restraint that people show around strange dogs. I mean one of my schnauzers does not like kids very much. She's great with DD, but she might snap at a strange kid. I guess that's what I was saying is that although it's tough to teach kids who are just excited to see OMG PUPPIES!!! it's really important. Maybe then we would have less idiotic adults who reach for a dog without asking the owner.

I knew we were on the same page :-) sorry if I seemed to imply that you weren't teaching your kiddo that. Typing at work while doing 2 things at once with pregnancy brain. Ha! When a parent is working to train the child, you can tell. The mom who bitched me out wasn't teaching her kid anything, which is why I was forced to say something.

In our area (maybe CA reading books??) all 3rd or 4th graders read a story about service dogs. I love hearing them educate their parents about how to interact with service dogs.

livkight

Salsera29 said:

livkight said:

I really don't know why men become OBGYNs. How do you develop a specialized interest in lady parts outside of some really weird stuff? 

I only bring this up because EVERY male OB I've seen so far was old, very awkward in feeling around for baby and her heartbeat, and tried to be a "funny guy" about some serious issues. 

I really don't get it. 

I dated a med student for 3 years, and during that time he had to choose his specialty. One of the benefits of OB/GYN is that it's a sub-surgical specialty, which means the doctors see patients in an office and also do surgery. There are not many of these...I know urology is one and ENT is another (but ENT residencies are very difficult to get). 

At the end of the day vaginas end up being no more scandalous than elbows to them.

My ex ended up choosing urology...good lord did I hear stories. He started his residency in an inner-city hospital...you'd be shocked at how many men get shot in the balls!

That's really interesting! That does make more sense as to why it might be an appealing field. 

And ugh, urology.... I can only imagine the horrors.

jnnfrrose6

Prefacing that I had a super busy day at work and am just getting caught up so I'm only through 2 pages: I saw somewhere a story on the basic process for making clothing for retail. It's a basic assembly line so everything gets touched by many people and you don't know how many times it has or hasn't fallen not the ground, and that's just assembly, not packaging and distribution. Don't get me wrong, most of my new stuff doesn't get washed before wearing but it has me second guessing it, especially for my new kid with lower immunities.

Kristy&Rodney

abundancenow said:

luckynumbers81  i fixed the link

@luckynumbers81 & @iris427

I appreciate all the feedback from you and others and will expand my research on the topic for sure.  I don't work in science, farming, or medicine, so I really have no professional view point on this and am just primarily interested for my own health and wellness and that of my family.  I don't think I've demonized GMOs, but wanted to bring a contrasting viewpoint.  I do believe there are some benefits to GMOs, but I still hope that others will consider that there are some harmful concerns.  

I have to get going, but thanks for engaging with me in the conversation, it certainly got me thinking and helped my day move along, take care!

3:-O

I just wanted to thank you for having an open mind on the subject, so many people don't     

cookieinva

jnnfrrose6 said:

Prefacing that I had a super busy day at work and am just getting caught up so I'm only through 2 pages: I saw somewhere a story on the basic process for making clothing for retail. It's a basic assembly line so everything gets touched by many people and you don't know how many times it has or hasn't fallen not the ground, and that's just assembly, not packaging and distribution. Don't get me wrong, most of my new stuff doesn't get washed before wearing but it has me second guessing it, especially for my new kid with lower immunities.

jnnfrrose6 said:

Prefacing that I had a super busy day at work and am just getting caught up so I'm only through 2 pages: I saw somewhere a story on the basic process for making clothing for retail. It's a basic assembly line so everything gets touched by many people and you don't know how many times it has or hasn't fallen not the ground, and that's just assembly, not packaging and distribution. Don't get me wrong, most of my new stuff doesn't get washed before wearing but it has me second guessing it, especially for my new kid with lower immunities.

Besides that I get grossed out not only by whatever they do to the fabrics (spraying chemicals, etc.) but by what people do to the clothes...buying/wearing/returning, trying on while sick, sneezing on, wiping their nose on them, germy kids playing with them, trying on while sweaty or dirty, etc. People can be gross and inconsiderate.