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Is this super offensive??

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Re: Is this super offensive??

  • ocmommy2Bocmommy2B member
    edited October 2013
    ps, even at my " young" age of 24 I'm grown enough to not be catty or secretly judge my friends. in fact, that's why I got rid of most of my "friends" because i realized I didn't need that kind of childish high school shit in my life. the women who I've allowed to remain in my life are solid and mature and because of this, we can be open, honest and blunt with each other and don't have to run to a secret board to talk about what we REALLY think of each other. we, as adults can handle truths from each other because we know it comes from a place of love and genuine care - not bitchiness or undue judgement. anything I say ABOUT my friends, I also say TO my friends. I wish the hell I would "gossip" lol this isn't. real housewives... I'm too grown for that shit.

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  • I'm coming back to say this. I recant what I said. How you are treating those who are parents and said what you said was a bit offensive is wrong.  You may have thought you were helping a friend, but moms tend to know more than us FTMs. Also, if they are trying to help you (by either rephrasing things, understanding a moms point of view, or just saying how things change when you become a mom) please let them help you. 

    I treat everyone nicely until they cross a line with me. Trust me, I have no problem accepting advice.

    I've read this 3 times too see if a line was crossed and to be honest, I think you crossed it first. 
    Where, if you don't mind me asking?

    Maybe someone already answered this, but I think it started with these two comments:

    "I realize how it sounds,
    but being a mom is her full time job. She doesn't work outside the home
    , in
    fact she refuses to even though her family needs it financially. Also she is a
    first time mom herself so it's not like she has this vast ocean of experience
    that I don't have. I'm going to be a full time mom as well, and I'm telling
    you, my baby will sleep on her back whether she likes it or not. Neither of us
    will sleep until she does. She will just have to learn the hard way. I am
    terrified of SIDS after seeing this girl go through it. But I guess everyone
    has their own methods. 

    I'm saying I can see how it would be especially frustrating for someone with a crying baby who won't go to sleep whenever thy ave to get up for work the next morning, but she doesn't."

    Those comments were made pretty much at the beginning of this thread and those are what set everyone off. And then
    you proceeded to make it worse when people responded to them.


    My thoughts, my feelings. I still fail to see the problem.
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  • KatM84 said:

    So it's OK for you to judge her and make her feel like complete crap, but you don't want anyone saying anything to you about the comments you made? If a bunch of internet "strangers" make you this angry for their comments, imagine how she felt hearing that judgement coming from one of her "best friends"? I'm sure she only responded to you because you apologized. It would've have taken me while to get over it, for sure.

    hey, you forgot to put best friends in quotes. don't worry, I fixed it for you :)
  • Avswolf said:

    ocmommy2B said:

    I realize I am late to the party, but it is worth repeating.

    You asked if you were out of line. The answer is yes, you were out of line. Being a mother is unlike anything else you have ever done. You have no idea of until it happens to you.

    I appreciate this input. You will note how she doesn't attack or judge. She simply answers my question. This is all I wanted when I posted this board.
    allow me to recap real quick: this is actually the general response you originally got. but each time you met said response with "yeah, but she _____" or "but I would NEVER _____" and THOSE are the comments that got you the hostility you're experiencing now.
    So what you're saying is I'm not allowed to share my thoughts and feelings on what I will and will NOT do with my child, correct?

    And I'm definitely not allowed to share my thoughts on what anyone else is doing wrong. Regardless of whether or not she will ever see it.
    Why don't you be a true friend and share them with her??????
    Because even though these things bother me, they are not my choice and it would be pushy and rude for me to lay it all on her like that. Not worth fighting with someone I care about. She's as stubborn as I am so it wouldn't make a difference anyway.
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  • So instead I "gossip." Usually with my mom but she was busy this morning
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  • I'm coming back to say this. I recant what I said. How you are treating those who are parents and said what you said was a bit offensive is wrong.  You may have thought you were helping a friend, but moms tend to know more than us FTMs. Also, if they are trying to help you (by either rephrasing things, understanding a moms point of view, or just saying how things change when you become a mom) please let them help you. 
    I treat everyone nicely until they cross a line with me. Trust me, I have no problem accepting advice.
    I've read this 3 times too see if a line was crossed and to be honest, I think you crossed it first. 
    Where, if you don't mind me asking?
    Maybe someone already answered this, but I think it started with these two comments:

    "I realize how it sounds, but being a mom is her full time job. She doesn't work outside the home, in fact she refuses to even though her family needs it financially. Also she is a first time mom herself so it's not like she has this vast ocean of experience that I don't have. I'm going to be a full time mom as well, and I'm telling you, my baby will sleep on her back whether she likes it or not. Neither of us will sleep until she does. She will just have to learn the hard way. I am terrified of SIDS after seeing this girl go through it. But I guess everyone has their own methods. 

    I'm saying I can see how it would be especially frustrating for someone with a crying baby who won't go to sleep whenever thy ave to get up for work the next morning, but she doesn't."

    Those comments were made pretty much at the beginning of this thread and those are what set everyone off. And then you proceeded to make it worse when people responded to them.
    My thoughts, my feelings. I still fail to see the problem.
    But to me, that is where the line was crossed. 
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  • MoxyByProxyMoxyByProxy member
    edited October 2013
    I'm coming back to say this. I recant what I said. How you are treating those who are parents and said what you said was a bit offensive is wrong.  You may have thought you were helping a friend, but moms tend to know more than us FTMs. Also, if they are trying to help you (by either rephrasing things, understanding a moms point of view, or just saying how things change when you become a mom) please let them help you. 
    I treat everyone nicely until they cross a line with me. Trust me, I have no problem accepting advice.
    I've read this 3 times too see if a line was crossed and to be honest, I think you crossed it first. 
    Where, if you don't mind me asking?
    Maybe someone already answered this, but I think it started with these two comments:

    "I realize how it sounds, but being a mom is her full time job. She doesn't work outside the home, in fact she refuses to even though her family needs it financially. Also she is a first time mom herself so it's not like she has this vast ocean of experience that I don't have. I'm going to be a full time mom as well, and I'm telling you, my baby will sleep on her back whether she likes it or not. Neither of us will sleep until she does. She will just have to learn the hard way. I am terrified of SIDS after seeing this girl go through it. But I guess everyone has their own methods. 

    I'm saying I can see how it would be especially frustrating for someone with a crying baby who won't go to sleep whenever thy ave to get up for work the next morning, but she doesn't."

    Those comments were made pretty much at the beginning of this thread and those are what set everyone off. And then you proceeded to make it worse when people responded to them.
    My thoughts, my feelings. I still fail to see the problem.
    golfergirl08 did a pretty good job of giving you examples. 

    But lets break them down for you since you seem to be a bit thick headed.. (maybe its the "hormones") 

    "I realize how it sounds,
    but being a mom is her full time job. She doesn't work outside the home
    , in
    fact she refuses to even though her family needs it financially. Also she is a
    first time mom herself so it's not like she has this vast ocean of experience
    that I don't have. I'm going to be a full time mom as well, and I'm telling
    you, my baby will sleep on her back whether she likes it or not. Neither of us
    will sleep until she does. She will just have to learn the hard way. I am
    terrified of SIDS after seeing this girl go through it. But I guess everyone
    has their own methods. 

    WHY is this offensive? Wellllllll... 
    • Firstly, her financial situation or the fact that she is a FTM really has nothing to do with SIDS. 
    • She has more experience than you. You are growing a human, she is raising a human. Get the difference? Your job is to care for you which in turn makes baby healthier.. she is actually caring for another actual person. 
    • Whether she collects food stamps, works 80 hours a week or spends her days staring at her lovely baby, she is a full time mom. If you have the time to watch your baby the whole time they sleep instead of idk.. cleaning your house or relaxing yourself.. more power to you.. but anyone who isnt a FTM just has to chuckle at the thought that you will keep your baby from EVER sleeping on their belly. 
    I'm saying I can see how it would be especially frustrating for someone with a crying baby who won't go to sleep whenever thy ave to get up for work the next morning, but she doesn't."

    • You're just a jack ass for this comment
    • PLEASE come back to us when your baby is about a month old and let us know how refreshed you are since you know.. you dont have to get up in the morning to work. 
    • Why are you so concerned about what she is doing? 
    • I cant wait for someone to be up your ass about how you raise your kid and your SAH or WM choices. 
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  • 8 pages and the problem is you STILL don't understand why you are being flamed.  No one cares about the original post, eh it was a FTM honest tiny judgy mistake. We all thought you handled it well and apologized to your friend and everyone was totally kosher with all that. It's this cluster f of a mess that you got yourself into that is the problem. You keep going back to the situation between you and girlfriend and we DO NOT CARE! But your complete disregard of real life mothering compared to perfect make believe mothering is what is so obnoxious to all the STMs. But we should all relax, because you will know soon enough...soon enough.


    • "but being a mom is her full time job. She doesn't work outside the home, in fact she refuses to even though her family needs it financially."

    • "That's what I said: "being a mom is her full time job." I didn't say she doesn't work at all. I said that IS her job, and therefore she should give it everything."

    • "I'm saying I can see how it would be especially frustrating for someone with a crying baby who won't go to sleep whenever thy ave to get up for work the next morning, but she doesn't."

    The above statements show your complete lack understanding of what it is like to be a mom to a newborn who doesn't sleep whether you stay at home or work AND are insulting to both SAHM moms and working moms.

    You said some dumb things and got your ass handed to you. It's your fault that you are unable to recognize the ridiculousness or offensive nature of these comments.

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  • I forgot...none of you have ever thought a bad thought about your friends before, and GOD FORBID you ever gossip about it instead of telling her to her face how you really feel. I wish I knew the exact amount of time it takes each of you to do just that after flaming me here.
    We keep coming back to this. Psst -- you started this thread.

    Anyway, you're right, none of us know what it's like to be you, and thank goodness for that.
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    Bookshelves...I know you recognize my screen name. I know you know I don't like you. And obviously you don't like me. So why the F are you lurking my posts, you creeper? Ignore me. Go away. I don't give two craps about your opinion. And I'd much rather be me than someone who wastes my life away on this board starting crap with people. Seriously. Back off.
    Ah the beauty of the internet. You can't tell someone to go away! You can wish they would...but if that worked, you wouldn't still be here.
    You posted a highly irritating thread and then got upset when everyone agreed that you had, in fact, overstepped your boundaries.
    I'm glad your friend has nice manners and sent you that peace making text. She sounds lovely and reasonable. 
    Are you done now? 

    @TyrannosaurusLex This had me laughing hysterically.

    @Bookshelves @RondackHiker I aboslutely love your comments

    =D> =D>

     

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  • Sweets11Sweets11 member
    edited October 2013
    I'm not even going to read the OP right away. I'll wager the answer is 'yes' due to the fact that there are 230 responses to this post.

    Let's go back and see if I'm right...

    ETA: Oh snap! Who would have guessed...

    OP - your first post was out of line, but not horribly offensive. But you just kept going!

    I have no issue being that 'just you wait and see' lady.
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  • mamajop said:



    Mmm... I'm having a good day. Can't touch this thread. I'd rather not get stabby.

    @Jaysmommy06 :x I <3 you lady!

    @mamajop :x right back at you love!
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  • Wow. I'm not even going to address the follow up comments b/c I think the others here have done an excellent job of pointing out how wrong your assumptions about your "friend" are or potentially could be. But I will say that I'm on baby #3 and I still NEVER say never. That is just asking the karma gods to smite me.

    And apparently, I'm the only one who DID find your original text offensive. Not the way you said it but the fact that you said it at all. There are just times in life when we must all bite our tongue and parenting choices (particularly as a FTM) is typically an area where restraint is the best option. I'm not saying to stay silent when a friend is clearly neglecting or abusing their child but sleeping on their stomach? That's hardly anyone else's place to question (other than her pedi), no matter how much research you've done. Do you really think she hasn't heard that "back is best" from her pedi or parenting magazines or hell, BRU signage?! The first 3 mos is all about survival and by 6 mos, my babies were rolling all over the place. You try to do what's "right" but ultimately each situation is completely unique and what works for one will not work for another. Good luck come February. Hope you've got some good juju stored up to stop the parenting gods from throwing you a massive colic lightening bolt!

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  • I realize I am late to the party, but it is worth repeating. You asked if you were out of line. The answer is yes, you were out of line. Being a mother is unlike anything else you have ever done. You have no idea of until it happens to you.
    I appreciate this input. You will note how she doesn't attack or judge. She simply answers my question. This is all I wanted when I posted this board.
    allow me to recap real quick: this is actually the general response you originally got. but each time you met said response with "yeah, but she _____" or "but I would NEVER _____" and THOSE are the comments that got you the hostility you're experiencing now.
    So what you're saying is I'm not allowed to share my thoughts and feelings on what I will and will NOT do with my child, correct? And I'm definitely not allowed to share my thoughts on what anyone else is doing wrong. Regardless of whether or not she will ever see it.
    no...that's not what I'm saying. what I'm saying is that people are giving you their opinions- which is what you asked for originally- yet each time you responded by telling them they were wrong for their opinion...clearly you already decided in your mind that what you did was okay by the way you met everyone with disagreement, so why even ask in the first place?
  • 1. Everyone needs sleep. 2. I never said working moms don't give their children their all. Where did you get that? I'm simply saying that working moms who have demands outside the home have obligations apart from their baby. This means that it affects them more if they are up all night. 
    Im a FTM, and also lurking. I usually don't reply much, but I had to reply on this. In your statements and replies, you come off as a person saying that SAHM has it "easier" than working moms since SAHM have no demands other than baby. Have you thought about the fact that SAHM has baby 24/7, and that working moms actually have a "break" for 8 hours. I really think that you came off as judgemental by implying she has it easier and should be doing a better job.
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  • Just want to clarify something.

    I DO NOT think that being a stay at home mom is easy, and I DO recognize it as a full time job. In fact, I am going to be a stay at home mom very soon.

    Because it will be my full time job, I simply expect it to be at least as challenging as the job I already have. I don't want to cut any corners. That's not to say that she definitely is, just that I know her, and she does cut corners a lot in other situations.

    I just can't stand the idea of my husband coming home after working all day in the hot sun and me sitting in the AC getting to spend time with my baby. I WANT it to be hard. I'd feel guilty as hell if it wasn't. That's why I have all these expectations. In my mind, the sleep deprivation is what makes the job an actual job.

    These are the standards I want to hold MYSELF to.

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  • I wonder who else is here? I know Jan 14 is along with MArch 14.
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  • I can see that groupthink has won out here and logic has left the building so I'm done with this thread now.
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  • nbbride06 said:



    Just want to clarify something.

    I DO NOT think that being a stay at home mom is easy, and I DO recognize it as a full time job. In fact, I am going to be a stay at home mom very soon.

    Because it will be my full time job, I simply expect it to be at least as challenging as the job I already have. I don't want to cut any corners. That's not to say that she definitely is, just that I know her, and she does cut corners a lot in other situations.

    I just can't stand the idea of my husband coming home after working all day in the hot sun and me sitting in the AC getting to spend time with my baby. I WANT it to be hard. I'd feel guilty as hell if it wasn't. That's why I have all these expectations. In my mind, the sleep deprivation is what makes the job an actual job.

    These are the standards I want to hold MYSELF to.


    OMG.  You keep digging yourself into a bigger hole.  Going back to Jan 14 now.
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    OP, Are you still talking? Just go.


    I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's my thread and I'll stay as long as I like.
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  • iwubroryiwubrory member
    edited October 2013
    But just 10 minutes ago you said you were done..

     

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  • Also there's not a damn thing wrong with what I said about what I think makes motherhood a real job as opposed to an excuse to stay home.
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  • Also there's not a damn thing wrong with what I said about what I think makes motherhood a real job as opposed to an excuse to stay home.
    It's just so funny.. you know nothing about what it's like to be a SAHM. Therefore, you know nothing about what makes it a real job.

     

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  • nbbride06 said:



    Just want to clarify something.

    I DO NOT think that being a stay at home mom is easy, and I DO recognize it as a full time job. In fact, I am going to be a stay at home mom very soon.

    Because it will be my full time job, I simply expect it to be at least as challenging as the job I already have. I don't want to cut any corners. That's not to say that she definitely is, just that I know her, and she does cut corners a lot in other situations.

    I just can't stand the idea of my husband coming home after working all day in the hot sun and me sitting in the AC getting to spend time with my baby. I WANT it to be hard. I'd feel guilty as hell if it wasn't. That's why I have all these expectations. In my mind, the sleep deprivation is what makes the job an actual job.

    These are the standards I want to hold MYSELF to.


    OMG.  You keep digging yourself into a bigger hole.  Going back to Jan 14 now.
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    OP, Are you still talking? Just go.


    I've said it before and I'll say it again: it's my thread and I'll stay as long as I like.

    But you just said you were done with this thread... since you are all about logic, logically, this means you should not have posted again.

    1. When you told me to leave, that was the last thing I said, that I was going to leave.

    2. I changed my mind because I do exactly what I want to do, and no B on the internet will ever tell me what to do. Try, and I will do the exact opposite on the sheer principle of the matter.
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  • So based on principle...
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    I couldn't help but smile at this, and I pretty much hate Ryan Gosling. Lol.
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  • So based on principle...
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    I couldn't help but smile at this, and I pretty much hate Ryan Gosling. Lol.

    This might be the most offensive thing you said on this whole thread. 

    ;-)

    I figured! Lol I like him in the notebook but that's about it.
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  • 9 pages is that a record?

    Pretty sure I've seen them longer than 9 pages.
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  • I think 10 pages is a record for Feb 14
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  • So based on principle...
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    I couldn't help but smile at this, and I pretty much hate Ryan Gosling. Lol.

    This might be the most offensive thing you said on this whole thread. 

    ;-)
    I figured! Lol I like him in the notebook but that's about it.


    Nobody asked.


    Aw hell. Lol
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  • So based on principle...
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    I couldn't help but smile at this, and I pretty much hate Ryan Gosling. Lol.

    This might be the most offensive thing you said on this whole thread. 

    ;-)
    I figured! Lol I like him in the notebook but that's about it.


    Nobody asked.

    ...stfu
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  • Just want to clarify something.

    I DO NOT think that being a stay at home mom is easy, and I DO recognize it as a full time job. In fact, I am going to be a stay at home mom very soon.

    Because it will be my full time job, I simply expect it to be at least as challenging as the job I already have. I don't want to cut any corners. That's not to say that she definitely is, just that I know her, and she does cut corners a lot in other situations.

    I just can't stand the idea of my husband coming home after working all day in the hot sun and me sitting in the AC getting to spend time with my baby. I WANT it to be hard. I'd feel guilty as hell if it wasn't. That's why I have all these expectations. In my mind, the sleep deprivation is what makes the job an actual job.

    These are the standards I want to hold MYSELF to.





    I just have to put some of my thoughts out there:

    1) Don't worry about motherhood being hard, It will be. You're worried about your baby sleeping on its back, I obsessed over mine being bf. DH found me crying hysterically in the closet one night after a bad day at work combined with the fact that I hadn't pumped enough milk for DD the next day so we had to supplement 2 ounces of formula... and she was like 7 months old. That was completely irrational, and I knew it, but I couldn't stop myself from obsessing over it and feeling like a complete failure as a mother. (Again, I know, totally irrational). My point is, you may have these ideas of how you're going to do everything, and they may or may not work out.

    2) This is how what you're saying about your friend comes across. "We're really good friends, but she's super lazy and doesn't love her kid enough to make the effort to lay him on his back even though she knows that he could die." Surely, surely, that's not what you mean, but that's how the rest of the board has interpreted your posts. If that is how you feel about your friend, then I'm not sure why you would be friends with someone llike that.

    3) The sleep deprivation is not what makes the actual job "a job." That's like me saying the reason why I'm a physician is because I did residency where I didn't sleep for 30 straight hours and didn't get to eat. No! That's only a tiny part of being a SAHM (which, btw, us WMs experience as well, thank you very much- my DD really doesn't care that I would like to get sleep so I can be fresh at work in the AM). I have utmost respect for SAHM & WM alike- there are challenges and rewards to each choice and a woman has to decide what is best for her family.

    4)Just wanted to throw out there that I don't gossip about my friends. I honestly don't understand women who do this to one another.
    EDIT: Sorry, on ipad, so tb doesn't recognize when I try to make paragraphs.

    Thanks for understanding. That definitely ISN'T what I meant. But I'm going to be honest: I have never met a real, live woman who didn't talk about her friends once in awhile. Even the sweetest ones do it.

    And the reason I was upset enough to even say something is that I've been obsessing over SIDS for days after hearing what happened to that girls baby. I've been crying and obsessing for days.


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  • Just want to clarify something.

    I DO NOT think that being a stay at home mom is easy, and I DO recognize it as a full time job. In fact, I am going to be a stay at home mom very soon.

    Because it will be my full time job, I simply expect it to be at least as challenging as the job I already have. I don't want to cut any corners. That's not to say that she definitely is, just that I know her, and she does cut corners a lot in other situations.

    I just can't stand the idea of my husband coming home after working all day in the hot sun and me sitting in the AC getting to spend time with my baby. I WANT it to be hard. I'd feel guilty as hell if it wasn't. That's why I have all these expectations. In my mind, the sleep deprivation is what makes the job an actual job.

    These are the standards I want to hold MYSELF to.

    Exactly.  You have no actual experience being a mother.  So, just stop judging everyone else  who are actually in the trenches.  
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