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Flame away but it makes me mad...

First off I would like to say that while I went natural I do not see anything wrong with having an epidural in fact I was my friends labor coach for all three of her births and was totally supportive of her getting epidurals. But it drives me crazy when women claim that because their epi "wore off" they went natural. Um, no you didn't! Just because the epi didn't make it completely pain free doesn't mean that it's "like" you went natural. If you didn't go natural then you didn't go natural!
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  • Sounds like a bunch of idioits to me. My epidural wore off too but I never think or say that I went natural. Especially because I was still numb on one side and felt everything on the other. But it still hurt like hell!
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  • Personally, it makes me mad when ppl refer to unmedicated births as "natural," b/c it implies that medicated births are unnatural.
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  • ha...i didn't go unmedicated but i can see why that would annoy you.
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  • image GenaBoBenaWife:
    Personally, it makes me mad when ppl refer to unmedicated births as "natural," b/c it implies that medicated births are unnatural.

    same here

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  • You know what it really doesn't matter. I am not sure why everything in life needs a label. No matter how it is done you have a baby.
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  • While I agree with you to an extent, my epidural completely 'failed' because they never hooked up the pump.  I had the initial bolus, but then nothing through the drip at all.  They realized it after delivery.

    So while I wasn't 100% natural I sure as heck delivered with no working pain medication. I plan to go without an epidural at all next time since I know I can 'do it' now...but you weren't there so you don't know. Sometimes epidurals really and truly completely fail and you feel everything.  Maybe that is what these women mean.

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    Natural = baby out vag

     

    Yes That's how I see it too....

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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

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  • Flame away but it makes me mad...

    That people always assume, and let it be known, that they're going to be flamed.

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    Natural = baby out vag

     

     

    Agreed.

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  • And this affects you how?  Who cares how other women want to describe their experience?
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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

     I so regret that I needed medication for my medically-necessary induction.  Because we all know that babies delivered via unmedicated birth get full-ride scholarships to Ivy League universities.  So now my kid is totally doomed.  Crying  No wonder you are so proud!!!

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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

    No one is taking anything away from your birth.  

    And FWIW my first delivery--with an epidural and a cesarean--was a LOT harder than my second, an unmedicated, intervention-free birth.  You have no idea how easy or hard someone else's birth was, because you aren't them.  

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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

    So would you like a medal or a badge of honor? FFS, your birth experience does not trump others.

    I'm very proud of my scheduled c-section birth!!!!111!!

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  • I didn't have an epidural the first time but this time I did. The only thing the epidural did was relax me enough to dilate and take some pressure away but once it was time to push I felt everything just like I did the first time. So I think you judging others over the term or whether or not they had an epidural takes away from how hard it was for them to give birth as well. I am very proud of both my birth experiences and do not see much of a difference in them.
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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

     I so regret that I needed medication for my medically-necessary induction.  Because we all know that babies delivered via unmedicated birth get full-ride scholarships to Ivy League universities.  So now my kid is totally doomed.  Crying  No wonder you are so proud!!!

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    image Scout05:

    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

    So would you like a medal or a badge of honor? FFS, your birth experience does not trump others.

    I'm very proud of my scheduled c-section birth!!!!111!!

    Yeah, pretty much all of this.

    OP - it's great that you had the birth experience you wanted. Truly. But it only matters to you. Someone else saying they went "natural" if their epi wore off doesn't take anything away from you. You can still be proud of yourself for going without drugs, if it means that much to you.

    I suppose part of the reason I don't get it is that I never put any pride or stock in how my baby arrived. The experiences of other women have zero effect on me or how I view the birth of my daughter. I just couldn't care less if someone else pushed their child out of their vagina without meds. It has nothing to do with me, just like my decision to have a c-section has nothing to do with them.

    You still got the experience you wanted. Since the women you are talking about had their epi wear off, they didn't, which is too bad. And again, who cares about any of it, other than the individual woman involved?

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    Personally, it makes me mad when ppl refer to unmedicated births as "natural," b/c it implies that medicated births are unnatural.
    Me too! I say I had a med free birth.
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    image Sharon21:
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    Why do you care how other women refer to their birth experience? I have never, never understood this. So they say they went "natural" after their epi wore off. This effects you how?

    I'm not flaming you, I just don't get it.

    I think the reason that it bothers me is because I am very proud of my UNMEDICATED (just found out it is wrong to use the term natural) birth and I feel like it takes away from how hard it is to do it without medication. I am not saying that it isn't hard even if you do have an epi but it is still not the same as having no medication and saying that implies that it is.

    No one is taking anything away from your birth.  

    And FWIW my first delivery--with an epidural and a cesarean--was a LOT harder than my second, an unmedicated, intervention-free birth.  You have no idea how easy or hard someone else's birth was, because you aren't them.  

    This! OP get off your high horse 

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  • Ok, I get it. To an extent... when you're actually talking about "natural births" one would assume you are talking about a completely intervention-free birth with no pain meds, so when that's not what you're referring to it gets confusing. Otherwise I don't see how it matters. I had a med-free birth with an episiotomy at the very end as her heartrate took a major nosedive. to some people that wasn't a natural birth either because of the episiotomy. Who cares? personally, I think we should toss the term "natural birth" as it has no true definition and makes no sense. a c-section is clearly not a natural birth as in you didn't actually "give birth" (I'm not discounting it at all, don't get me wrong) it's a surgical removal. otherwise any type of vaginal birth is a natural birth. otherwise a vaginal birth can be medicated or med-free. as for inductions(not elected ones) and other interventions, the mothers hands are usually tied there. those things are done for mother and baby's safety and it's not fair for someone to say that it was "unnatural" because of a medical need. 

     In short, your being "proud" of your birth make sit sound like they wimped out and you held out. well, if you're looking for a pat on the back and a "good job" you're not going to get it and certainly not here. Especially after a comment like that. No one can taint your birth by classifying their birth a certain way and if you did it for brownie points that's just stupid. 

    In addition, if you know people are just going to disagrree with you and there's going to be a whole page of posts about how ridiculous people think you're being then why did you post this at all? seems kind of silly to me. almost like you are looking for an argument. I mean, this post wouldn't get a whole lot of positive feedback, even on the natural birth board. Get over yourself. 

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    Personally, it makes me mad when ppl refer to unmedicated births as "natural," b/c it implies that medicated births are unnatural.

    same here

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    a c-section is clearly not a natural birth as in you didn't actually "give birth" (I'm not discounting it at all, don't get me wrong) it's a surgical removal. 

    WTF.

    A c-section is still giving birth.  

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    a c-section is clearly not a natural birth as in you didn't actually "give birth" (I'm not discounting it at all, don't get me wrong) it's a surgical removal. 

    WTF.

    A c-section is still giving birth.  

    Please. I always knew DS was nothing but a growth that needed to be removed. I'd better burn his certificate of live birth since he was never actually born, but simply removed. Where do I apply for a copy of a certificate of life resulting from removal from uterus?

     

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  • please allow me to clarify what I meant. I can see how that came out wrong. I meant that it isn't the body going through the birthing process. It is a situation that requires major surgery to assist in the birth of the baby. Like I said, I wasn't discounting it at all. I was just trying to show the difference between what i would consider a "natural" or "unnatural" birth. 
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    a c-section is clearly not a natural birth as in you didn't actually "give birth" (I'm not discounting it at all, don't get me wrong) it's a surgical removal. 

    WTF.

    A c-section is still giving birth.  

     please allow me to clarify what I meant. I can see how that came out wrong. I meant that it isn't the body going through the birthing process. It is a situation that requires major surgery to assist in the birth of the baby. Like I said, I wasn't discounting it at all. I was just trying to show the difference between what i would consider a "natural" or "unnatural" birth. 

     

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