@thebobloblaw the teen mom shows are totally my guilty pleasure. I know way too much about all those fools. (And I also participate in the teenmon subreddit... 99% sure Maci is expecting #4 right now.)
Maci Ian my favorite!! That would be great news if it’s true!
We're occasional drinkers (like, we but a bottle of wine once or twice a month to drink at home), so it's really NBD for me to lay off while pregnant. The only thing I'm bummed about it we didn't get the chance to do this date night thing the local winery does, but we'll have plenty of time for that. Also, my favorite wine is blackberry wine, and I got pregnant shortly after we moved and the local winery makes a delicious blackberry wine, we only had the opportunity to get a bottle once before my BFP.
While pregnant, I like to get those little single serve bottles of wine. I might drink half or a a third to get some wine if I’m wanting it. So basically I don’t feel like I need to drink wine every night or something bc there is an open bottle (and it doesn’t go off) but I’m still getting a bit of wine if I want it. Win win!!
@bluesky24 my doctors (very fancy MFMs) are adamant that raw fish is fine in pregnancy and that the common belief that you shouldn’t have sushi is outdated and kinda harmful in that it can lead to women eating less low-mercury fish than they’d otherwise eat. Sushi in the U.S. has all been frozen, which kills the harmful parasites. If you got the roll from some place you generally trust (your go-to sushi place and not, like, a gas station you stopped into on a road trip), they’d say a salmon avocado roll is a really healthy choice!
So, this is why I can't bring myself to eat sushi even from a good place and we have some very fancy sushi places where I live. I felt the same before reading it, like it was fine as long as the place was reputable but ACOG doesn't say flash frozen is fine, they say no to all raw. I don't actually like fish and almost threw up when I tried some sushi with cooked fish and veggies haha. I agree the risk is low and pregnant women in Japan totally eat sushi and are just fine but my brain won't let me have it because of this. If I'm reading it wrong, let me know! This is not meant to discourage anyone else, I'm just a guidelines follower.
@DuchessOfCambridge you’re not misreading it, but there are a lot of reasons why ACOG has to make sweeping, generalized rules that don’t allow for any nuance even when the science isn’t there to support it. The AAP is the same way with certain guidelines for babies. Bluntly put, they have to assume that everyone is an idiot incapable of using their own judgment and needs really black and white rules. The science just doesn’t support avoiding all raw fish. Additionally, the fish typically present in sushi (tuna, salmon, yellowtail, snapper, flounder) almost never carry parasites anyway (aside from one specific type that is extremely rare in developing countries and also not particularly harmful). So not only would freezing it kill the parasites but it almost certainly never had a parasite to begin with.
i would never judge someone for avoiding sushi or following guidelines but a lot of these guidelines are holdovers from the extremely paternalistic history of obstetrics, and make sweeping rules because it’s easier and costs them nothing to just say “no.”
I have several OB friends who also think this rule is dumb and eat sushi when pregnant (“you’re more likely to get sick from a salad!”). But they also drink occasionally while pregnant so....a story for another time, I guess.
I have never been big on sushi. It’s been about 10 years, though, since I’ve tried raw sushi. I had my first sushi in New York City which I’m surenis hard to beat, but I was only 14. Maybe I’ll try again after this pregnancy
@mrskoz428 I ate sweet potato rolls for two years until I realized I suddenly liked spicy salmon rolls. Our friends do all you can eat sushi sometimes and it's been a great way for me to try new rolls but not have to commit for a whole meal
@DuchessOfCambridge you’re not misreading it, but there are a lot of reasons why ACOG has to make sweeping, generalized rules that don’t allow for any nuance even when the science isn’t there to support it. The AAP is the same way with certain guidelines for babies. Bluntly put, they have to assume that everyone is an idiot incapable of using their own judgment and needs really black and white rules.
THIS. THIS. THIS!
Okay, trying to think of a way to say this without outting myself. But I will just say this- I am VERY familiar with how these recommendations get made. And these guys are some of the most selfless and brightest people on the planet. They write these recommendations as volunteers and I can’t stress enough that they do the best with what they have. But @anonellis hit it spot on when she said these guidelines are written for morons. Because they have to be. Case in point- the don’t drink if you aren’t on birth control recommendations. Most of us here track our cycles and are well aware of when we ovulated. We also likely took tests before 5 weeks and knew we were pregnant. I was on vacation and drank like a fish during my TWW, but I stopped at 3days and 3 weeks- well before the alcohol would have effected my baby. I’m not a moron and therefore can drink when not on BC.
Here is my advice to guideline followers- before you deny yourself anything because of something ACOG wrote or AAP recommends, talk to your OB and talk to your pediatrician. They are trained to tailor these recommendations to you personally. Follow what they tell you as the Dr responsible for your care and your child well- being. They may tell you that in your specific case, sushi has more benefits that potential to harm you if the only fish you can stomach is raw salmon. They may tell you that you should be on your meds PP or put your sleep first and you should not breastfeed because it’s better for you and this better for you and this better your baby. But only you’re DR can tell you that. Internet strangers can’t tell you that and ACOG or AAP guidelines can’t tell you that.
ETA one huge exception for me are the car seat recommendations and other safety recommendations , bc accidents can happen to anyone and short lapses of attention can happen to the most diligent toddler mom. Follow those as written-100%.
@DuchessOfCambridge you’re not misreading it, but there are a lot of reasons why ACOG has to make sweeping, generalized rules that don’t allow for any nuance even when the science isn’t there to support it. The AAP is the same way with certain guidelines for babies. Bluntly put, they have to assume that everyone is an idiot incapable of using their own judgment and needs really black and white rules.
SITB This applies to basically all instructions and warnings in general. If it had to be written, you can be sure some Einstein has done it. Like using the blow dryer while in the bath.
@chloe97 no you're not a bad mom at all. My husband and I have taken off work to spend the day together and relax. But guess what our daughter goes right to school and extended care. Sometimes us as parents need some alone time! Its hard when you work all day, then have to get the kids and cook dinner, bath time, read books, play etc. Now that we pregnant, we def want some alone time, even from the spouse. I know I do. I cherish taken a shower, get kinda annoyed when the husband tries to join me. Its like gosh, go watch tv or something.
@thebobloblaw omg I love reality tv, Im addicted bad. I love all the VH1 and MTV shows. Teen Mom is one of my all time favs from childhood. So I take it your around my age because only our generation know the history about Maci!!
Re: FFFC* 11/9
BFP: 8/20/2018 - EDD 5/4/2019
Wow, I'm hoping that's not as judgy as it sounds when I'm reading it
BFP: 8/20/2018 - EDD 5/4/2019
https://m.acog.org/Clinical-Guidance-and-Publications/Practice-Advisories/ACOG-Practice-Advisory-Seafood-Consumption-During-Pregnancy
i would never judge someone for avoiding sushi or following guidelines but a lot of these guidelines are holdovers from the extremely paternalistic history of obstetrics, and make sweeping rules because it’s easier and costs them nothing to just say “no.”
I have several OB friends who also think this rule is dumb and eat sushi when pregnant (“you’re more likely to get sick from a salad!”). But they also drink occasionally while pregnant so....a story for another time, I guess.
Married: 8/10/13
BFP- 12/18/15, D&E- 4/8/16 @ 21w5d- confirmed Thanatophoric Dysplasia
BFP- 11/7/17, M/C- 11/18/17 @ 4w6d
BFP- 8/25/18 ~ EDD- 5/9/19 ~ DD born 5/2/20 *Lillian Hazel*
BFP- 10/9/20 ~ EDD- 6/21/21
Okay, trying to think of a way to say this without outting myself. But I will just say this- I am VERY familiar with how these recommendations get made. And these guys are some of the most selfless and brightest people on the planet. They write these recommendations as volunteers and I can’t stress enough that they do the best with what they have. But @anonellis hit it spot on when she said these guidelines are written for morons. Because they have to be. Case in point- the don’t drink if you aren’t on birth control recommendations. Most of us here track our cycles and are well aware of when we ovulated. We also likely took tests before 5 weeks and knew we were pregnant. I was on vacation and drank like a fish during my TWW, but I stopped at 3days and 3 weeks- well before the alcohol would have effected my baby. I’m not a moron and therefore can drink when not on BC.
Here is my advice to guideline followers- before you deny yourself anything because of something ACOG wrote or AAP recommends, talk to your OB and talk to your pediatrician. They are trained to tailor these recommendations to you personally. Follow what they tell you as the Dr responsible for your care and your child well- being. They may tell you that in your specific case, sushi has more benefits that potential to harm you if the only fish you can stomach is raw salmon. They may tell you that you should be on your meds PP or put your sleep first and you should not breastfeed because it’s better for you and this better for you and this better your baby. But only you’re DR can tell you that. Internet strangers can’t tell you that and ACOG or AAP guidelines can’t tell you that.
ETA one huge exception for me are the car seat recommendations and other safety recommendations , bc accidents can happen to anyone and short lapses of attention can happen to the most diligent toddler mom. Follow those as written-100%.