Thanks ladies. And sorry for confusing intro! As soon as I can get to a computer I do have some questions about my chart. This whole no mobile pictures is killing me.
ETA - got my chart to load. Clearly no O visible here but with my irregular cycles this could just be a longer one. But I guess my question is if this looks "normal" for anyone else with pcos? I know we'll all be different but this just seems so up and down to me. I sleep about the same every night and test at the same time every morning. This is also my first time charting/temping so I have no idea whats considered "normal" at all.
Kinda late but on ED vs EOD thing: MH and I have definitely struggled with this. I pushed ED once we started to get closer to the 1 year TTC mark and we discovered that was a little much for him. He complained there was much less volume by day 3 or 4 and that it was crappy for our already compromised sex life because by day 5 felt super forced and a couple of the times he was actually kinda bruised (TMI but seriously this did happen a few times and not ideal). We decided for us that ED was not going to work. All the stats are pretty interesting. Thanks for sharing those @antoto.
@RatParade Sorry to see you here. I remember you from before I took a break from this site last fall and was hoping you graduated in my absence Hope the road to IVF goes smoothly for you.
@ramzlau-2 Thank you for mentioning that podcast. I listen to Fertility Friday a lot but the Beat Fertility one looks like it has a lot more treatment-specific info that wold be really useful and I just downloaded all the episodes my stupid phone would let me. Good luck with your RE appointment today!
@kiwi2628 Sorry to hear that. Are you going to be benched while you're waiting for YH's results like I am, or are yours so rare that your doctor(s) don't think that's necessary? I'm starting to get annoyed at the word "rare" in that there seems to be a wide range of possibilities within its clinical definition. Like the mutation I have isn't rare "enough" for my RE to be OK doing our IUI without MH's results and isn't "as rare" as some other mutations but still "rare enough" to be called "rare". (Sorry I just said "rare" a lot and annoyed myself a little so that must have been kind of annoying to read.)
@mschanandlerbong1214 Sorry you've found yourself here and FX you won't need treatments!
@mschanandlerbong1214 That chart looks totally normal for a PCOS/anovulatory cycle. Also, borderline PCOS could mean a lot of things. I personally had NIR PCOS, but my ovaries aren't polycystic. Im not insulin resistant so Metformin has no affect on me, as I don't lose weight with difficulty. I was actually able to regulate my cycles with weight loss. But anyway, yes your chart looks normal for PCOS.
@vflux33 no idea. I meet with my RE next Wednesday to discuss next steps, but since we are vacationing the whole month of May, we wouldnt be doing any treatment in that time anyway, and we will have results before June, so it doesnt matter too much for us
@saralee797-2 Thanks! I would love any info you have when you find it! I will definitely be doing FETs because we have to do PGS anyways.
@ramzlau-2 and @vflux33 Ohh I never even thought about listening to fertility podcasts! Thanks for the ideas! I listen to podcasts and books all of the time .
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@antoto Thanks for sharing that. It's great info. I don't think there's a simple answer at all, but I'm glad we're talking about it and trying to be as informed as we can. *TW* FWIW, the cycle of my loss, we had EOD timing, all AM. *end TW*
@BusinessWife That's an excellent question, one I asked, too, given the devastating effect replacement has on fertility. We did look into Clomid or other alternate treatments, which is part of why it's taken us so long to get here (the other part being that he worked away from home for so long). According to his urologist, the type of low T he has doesn't respond to Clomid, and I've seen some info online that backs that up. I wanted to try it anyway, but his urologist said there was no point. He's confident enough in that assessment that he wrote the referral to get us started with the freezing process (which, BTW, I'm still amazed that we had to have a referral for that when we're OOP and it's his own genetic material). God I hope the urologist is correct because this is a lot of time, money, and hassle.
I think we've decided to shoot for 2 years' worth of material. Given my age, I can't see trying beyond that.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@kiwi2628 hooray twinsie! Hopefully we are both super SSs and May will actually make it all unnecessary, right? FX'd for good results from your spouse's testing!! It is good that those are extremely rare
Quick question for all those doing acupuncture - I'm super interested in it. Is it covered by your insurance? If so, how did you get it covered? If not, how much are you paying for it? My H has a very stressful job and I've heard acupuncture can really help with stress.
Me: 32 | DH: 36
Married June 2005
1/2016 - TTC#1
4/2017 - Initial RE visit, Dx: Severe MFI (Varicocele, 14% motility, 3% progression, but normal count)
7/2017 - Stage 3 endometriosis discovered during laparoscopic removal of ovarian cyst
9/27/2017 - BFP at 10dpo (cycle 22), baby boy due June 9, 2018
@RatParade our insurance doesnt cover it- we just pay for it. It isnt super cheap but its also not super expensive ($100/session here) and I do it once a week.
Quick question for all those doing acupuncture - I'm super interested in it. Is it covered by your insurance? If so, how did you get it covered? If not, how much are you paying for it? My H has a very stressful job and I've heard acupuncture can really help with stress.
I know some women who swear by it and some women who say it did absolutely nothing for. I've had it done and it did relax me, but I can't say it did much else. I think being forced to lay still, not having a tv or your phone, and just focusing on your breath and your body for any extended time is going to help you chill out and relax. BUT if you want to check it out (cause like I said, some women LOVE it) then you can probably go on to your insurance website to check coverage. Most insurance plans don't cover it, but you can use any HSA money towards it.
Also since this was sort of brought up earlier and RESOLVE just shared on FB, I thought I'd share this article with you ladies about how different faiths see fertility treatments. It's an interesting read - while I might not personally agree with or understand some of these views I always appreciate gaining knowledge on different perspectives. It also makes me more aware of how discussing my fertility treatments around my religious friends might make them feel.
Also since this was sort of brought up earlier and RESOLVE just shared on FB, I thought I'd share this article with you ladies about how different faiths see fertility treatments. It's an interesting read - while I might not personally agree with or understand some of these views I always appreciate gaining knowledge on different perspectives. It also makes me more aware of how discussing my fertility treatments around my religious friends might make them feel.
Jeez, only one third find IVF to be morally acceptable? Yeesh! I find it interesting, but I disagree with a lot of the morality thought process behind this stuff.
"About a third of American adults say in vitro fertilization is morally acceptable"
I wonder... How many of the two thirds who don't have experienced IF or ever had the need to choose? Me thinks it's a small number. Hmm.. no wonder there's such a stigma for IF and treatment.
Religion based decisions are different, but since they started with the blanket statement of "Americans" and not a specific religion, it made me wonder.
@kiwi2628 Yeah I was surprised by that number as well. I'm sure a certain number of those people just have religious reasons behind their resistance to the idea, but I also suspect that perhaps some of those people don't understand what IVF actually is. I told someone I was doing IVF and when they said they didn't know what it was I said "some people used to call it test tube babies" to see if that jogged their memory and they said "Ohhhhhh wait so the baby won't have any of your genetics?". Facepalm. I think maybe some people think we are literally making a baby from spare parts in a lab. Which is obviously more crazy than what actually happens.
Interesting read. As a (non practicing) Jew, I kinda cracked up where it said Jews find most ART acceptable. Uh, duh! Jews are constantly freaking out about our dwindling numbers and trying to badger us into marrying each other since so many (including myself) marry non Jews and dilute the gene pool. Never met a Jew who was against any type of ART. In my 20s I used to get "please donate your eggs to other Jewish couples" ads all the time (no one wants mine anymore now that I'm in my 30s though, sadly).
I mentioned this on the NIFAW thread, but the argument against IVF that I grew up with was a slippery slope fallacy towards eugenics. IVF is like "building" a baby. Only God should decide if you get pregnant. You're cheating. Moreover, you can choose your baby's sex. Next thing you know, you can pick eye color, intelligence, etc. Only God should choose whether a baby should exist and what that baby should be like. Using IVF is putting that choice into your own hands and is morally wrong.***
*** I don't believe any of this. But that's how it was taught to me.
Me: 23 | DH: 30
Married November 2016 TTC #1 November 2016
Dx Anovulatory/NIR PCOS April 2017 50mg Clomid June 2017 BFP June, 21 2017 | EDD March 4, 2018
When I was younger, I learned a lot of what @LoveInDC said, but as I went to a christian college, they were surprisingly into letting you find your own truth (adhering to guidelines, though). I was always alright with ART (but I also always loved science, so that might be a partial reason). Once I started looking at ART in the face, I really had to sit down and think about EXACTLY what I believed, so I could back it up should I meet naysayers.
When the big T came into office and that personhood/abortion/whatever bill started floating around, that's when arguments really started. I was discussing it all with people every single day, especially among those in my "christian" circle. One in particular posted an open-ended facebook question basically saying she saw someone comment on the IVF aspect of it (it was actually me, she just didn't want to call me out, bless her heart) and she wasn't sure what she believed, so she was asking for opinions on either side to help her form her own opinion. I stepped in and said basically "hey, this is what IVF actually is, here is where the 'grey' is, here is how I personally view the grey." I'm not 100% sure what opinion she formed, but she was gracious enough to say she had no idea how much went into it, and she didn't feel qualified to make any calls. Furthemore, she stated she couldn't possibly understand fully, because to her, it would just affect the way she votes (if it comes to that) and for others (like me, us) it would affect the rest of our lives. She was intelligent enough to know that she no matter how much she wants to, she isn't capable of caring as much as we do. I respect that from her.
as far as the study @antoto linked, if you follow the "study" to the original source, it clarifies. The article really extrapolated and twisted that. It said 1/3 of people think it's morally acceptable, leading you to believe 2/3 think it's wrong. but that's not what the study said. The study said a third think it's morally acceptable, and half think it's not a moral issue at all, with only 12% ish saying it's morally wrong. Also interestingly, the opinions are taken largely from white christian, middle to upper class citizens.
TTC #1 since September 2014 Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI
(count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low
progesterone Check out my Infertility blog Check out my Infertility Instagram
Loss History (TW):
BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015 BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015 BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015 BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018 BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
TTC History (TW):
3 losses in 2015 Met with OBGYN in January 2016 Me: all clear, H: OAT November 2016: HSG = All
Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt
#1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17 December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC) Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA) FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018 May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus" FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019 Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two! Lost Baby A 02 July 2018 Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018 Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
Next Up:
TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. ER#2 ~Jan 2019
TTC #1 since September 2014 Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI
(count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low
progesterone Check out my Infertility blog Check out my Infertility Instagram
Loss History (TW):
BFP: 3 May 2015, loss confirmed 4 June 2015 BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015 BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015 BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018 BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
TTC History (TW):
3 losses in 2015 Met with OBGYN in January 2016 Me: all clear, H: OAT November 2016: HSG = All
Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt
#1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17 December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC) Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA) FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018 May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus" FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo. BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019 Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two! Lost Baby A 02 July 2018 Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018 Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
Next Up:
TTC Naturally, possibly IUIs for remainder of 2018. ER#2 ~Jan 2019
The frustration continues. We went to our appointment at the RE's office to start freezing sperm this morning. Thankfully we didn't have an incident of me catching only like half of the "sample" like the last time we were there (oh holy crow that was a terrible experience, although there is a part of me that thinks spooge landing on the mat he was on is pretty comical). But what we did have felt like the runaround. When we first started this process, I called to make sure that we could retrieve the samples each cycle for at home IUI. I cannot tell you how hard it is to find a place to store your own sperm. Anyway, I was assured we could and got the ball rolling. But, you guessed it, you genius, you...they will not turn it over to us because of liability and that I could get an infection if it's not washed after being frozen. I'm cool with that, but why didn't we find this out in the first place?
So we have two options: find a doctor who works with the place that stores the sperm and will release it, or I get inseminated through them. I doubt the first thing will be very easy to do, so I have an appointment, in JUNE, to do a consultation with the RE. Oh, quick back story, before OH and I got married, we had separate insurance, and mine referred me to a different RE, the one who didn't even have a follow up appointment with me and instead had their coordinator deliver the news that they recommend I do IVF with donor eggs to me OVER THE PHONE...we are so not going to them. Anyway, that's the reason for a whole new consult.
We're continuing the process because we've got to get these guys on ice so OH can start treatment. Next Wednesday I "jerk him off into a cup" again (I truly love that he's as inappropriate and silly as I am for calling it that). I'm praying that they can at least get the sperm into my body for a reasonable fee after that. Also, it appears I'm still WTO, so we will do it like rabbits until I O.
But mostly I'm feeling like we're out. Totally out.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@RatParade I go to acupuncture once a week. I love it for the reasons others have stated. Plus my acupuncturist specializes in fertility and is an herbalist, so she's been great guidance.
It isn't covered by insurance and is $90 a visit. However, some insurance, including mine, will cover if you're being treated for pain. I used to go to a different practice for treatment of my migraines, and that really helped. The side benefit I noticed at the time was that it helped lengthen my LP (when I stopped going, the LP got shorter again, and got better when I moved to the new practice). I did tell the first acupuncturist that we were TTC, and she tried to throw in whatever she could to help out with that.
ETA: I definitely recommend giving it a shot.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?)
100mg clomid, trigger shot, Thera Natal Core, also trying essential oils for PCOS
How are things going?
Pretty good so far. I had my appointment today and had three follicles (16,13,12) which my RE and I was pretty excited about. I go back on Thursday to see how they are growing and I should be getting triggered that day! Here's to hoping everything goes well!
Any questions?
Not at the moment GTKY: You are going to be left on a deserted island for one year. What book do you bring? What music do you bring? What food item do you bring?
The collection of Edgar Allan Poe, Country, and either tacos or pizza
@leekat14 I hope your acupuncture appointment was as relaxing as mine! Glad your consult went so well.
@saralee797-2 and @JuneRoseRuby - Just jumping in on this high AMH and OHSS conversation. FWIW, I also have high AMH (over 40 - not a typo) and have done injections and was super scared of what might happen. In my case it's different though since the injections were for TI not IVF, so the goal was to only get a couple follies to develop. Any way, they'll start you on a very low dose to see how your body responds, with the goal of taking it slow and not overstimming you. The bad news is you can still overstim on a low dose. The good news is you might not need as much medication as other people. Also, my clinic uses Lupron instead of an HCG trigger which greatly reduces the risk of OHSS.
@kiwi2628 Sorry to hear about the gene mutation. FX everything is good on your H's side.
@RatParade Acupuncture isn't covered for IF by my insurance because it's considered "experimental". I pay $70/session. I like acupuncture because the appointment forces me to block out that time for myself to relax, my acupuncturist has a heated table and puts a heat lamp thing over my stomach, and uses good-smelling essential oils. I do think it has the potential to help with IF, but even if it doesn't, it is a treat for myself.
@aurora1973 Sorry you have to jump through so many hoops to get that sperm where it need to be... Very frustrating.
@jmr1515 Some of us really need to quit our jobs and become REs to decrease that wait time!
@madspunk thanks for the info that does make me feel better. I genuinely did a double take when I saw 40! That makes sense about the lupron. I think the plan for me right now is two triggers one of which is Lupron. Hoping that does the trick.
For those of you that found the Beat Fertility podcast helpful, yay! I love feeling empowered. My favorite episode so far has been the one about being your own advocate, it was so helpful going into the appointment today. I am hoping the "Staying Sane in the TWW tips" helps over the next few weeks!
Quick update on today's RE appointment:
It went so well! It definitely helped to go in knowing all of our results so far, having our medical records in hand, and being able to summarize in 10 min our process to date. We are going to do some more testing over the next few days and should have the results before the next cycle. Feels good to have a plan again, and a doctor that is trying to find a solution that is right for us. We are tentatively planning to do IUI in June with just trigger and progesterone, until then she has recommended a few new vitamins, baby aspirin, and pilates (I gave up my hot yoga a year ago and was asking for her recommendation).
On the other hand, my CEO flipped when I came into the office "dressed up", our dress code leans towards board shorts & flip-flops. He was sure I had been at an interview, even though I said multiple times it was a doctor's appointment. I gave up trying to convince him otherwise and finally told him about the infertility process we are going through. It was way more than I wanted to share with him, but I realize appointments are only going to add up from here on out, and I decided full disclosure was going to be the best option.
Have many of you shared with your managers?
@Aurora1973 Sometimes I feel this process is 2 steps forward and 1 step back. I hope you are able to get it all resolved soon!
@antoto thanks for shading that link! @KristoKekerooni Thanks as always for your ptofessional expertise in understanding the study, too! ❤
I hesitate to share our personal beliefs as a couple on the matter out of respect for anyone who may have different beliefs on the matter. However I will say whoever that guy is who said children born of ART become a, "product and not a gift," is absolutely full of it!
@Aurora1973 Ugh the process you're having to go through sounds really confusing and annoying. I get the liability problem, but they totally could have told you about that earlier.
@ramzlau-2 Glad to hear that your appointment went so well! That sounds kinda awkward about the CEO. I don't have a situation like that, but I'd be worried now that he will feel obligated to ask you about IF every time you're dressed like that, which might be less than ideal if you're in work mode not feeling like discussing it.
@aurora1973 That is so frustrating. I have definitely also experienced the run around. I feel like there is no accountability to the "customer" when it comes to this stuff. I hope you are able to find a reasonable solution that does not cost you too much in the end. Good luck!
@madspunk Geez! I never imagined it could be that high! I know I will be monitored, I am just worried of course!
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
I couldn't really Bump yesterday and I feel like I missed so much in general.
@JuneRoseRuby The waiting is awful. I'm so over it and equally thankful to have this wonderful place where we can all understand one another's frustrations.
@gusgus14 I took Clomid from an OB with minimal monitoring twice before finding this board and seeing the light/getting to an RE. I'm happy to hear you'll be moving onto an RE next cycle because there really is such a difference and I'm sure you'll notice it too. I'm sorry you're struggling a bit with the stress of it all. Anxiety/depression from this TTC business is no joke and yes, the financial implications are sadly very real for many couples. We're definitely here to offer support along this bumpy journey (pun not intended)- although I hope this is your cycle and it won't even have to be a conversation!
@vflux33 Sending good thoughts your way for your H's test results.
@RatParade I move slowly too with all of this. It took me far too long to get myself to an RE. I feel like I need to mentally digest each piece before taking new steps and I think it's okay. Now that we dragged our heels for so long though I sometimes get the feeling like I need to make up for lost time, which is not realistic. I'm sorry that you're facing the IVF/ICSI prognosis. I know it's better to be armed with information/solutions but I don't think that's particularly easy for anyone to come to terms with. Also, to everyone involved with the ED/EOD convo- it made for a really interesting read! Thanks for bringing it up.
@jmr1515 That's great news you'll be able to get into an RE sooner than later. Best of luck- you've definitely waited enough already!
@zwink1 I had zero coverage with my old insurance. My RE could have given me aspirin and I'd be charged for it. I'm sorry because I know how much that adds to the stress. I hope your funk, as you put it, ends soon. TTC can be enough of a battle without having all of these other issues compiled on top of it.
@madspunk Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I worried that my post may have read a bit like this... **edited twice for broken gif- was of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka saying "I want it now!" but I'm on mobile now and whatever I tried did not work so alas, no gif. ** Heck, sometimes I genuinely think/feel that way! But the longer we wait the less hopeful I become that it'll really happen for us. And I'm just tired and defeated from always feeling like a take home baby is some hypothetical dream in the far off distance. I hope you had a nice acupuncture sesh and GL with your follie check tomorrow!
@ramzlau-2 Thanks for the podcast rec! Glad to hear the RE went smoothly.
@kiwi2628 I'm sorry to hear about the genetic testing results. FX your H's results come back all clear.
@Aurora1973 That first clinic sounds like a nightmare. I'm so sorry that you're facing more roadblocks. I hope June gets here before you know it...maybe they can keep you on standby for a cancellation in the mean time? How frustrating, I'm sure.
i havent had my blood work done yet because I didn't follow the dr orders on abstaining from BD for two weeks and now I'm worried I have to wait another whole two weeks to have it done.
.....orrr I may just go get the blood work and take the Provera anyways. At this point I'm pretty sure I'm not ovulating, therefore making my chances of getting pregnant very slim.
Im frustrated with myself because I am not being very proactive or doing what needs to be done. I'm in some kind of rut with myself. Can not get out of bed in the mornings and just in a fog. Feel like I'm at a dead end with work and my relationship is suffering at the moment for reasons I'm unsure of. Probably has to do with my current state of down in the dumps.
However I will say whoever that guy is who said children born of ART become a, "product and not a gift," is absolutely full of it!
If that individual thinks I will love my future child any less because medical intervention was needed, he is crazy. That guy clearly has no idea what the "gift" of life really means.
ETA I know I'm being a dirty lurker, but I had to give @BusinessWife a shout-out for her great comment
Me: 35 DH: 28 TTC since June 2016 Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016 AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017 Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017 October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total) Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen 12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP 2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone Abnormal SIS Oct 2018 Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis. 12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN Our journey has come to an end.
Yes, thankfully I am on a list for a cancellation. The sooner the better!!
You all are awesome. It's so nice that I can vent here...plus I just did a Ten Things post, and that made me feel better, too.
Me: 45 OH: 42 Beloved SS: born 12/2011 TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016 **TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW** August 2016 - dx with DOR Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T May 2017 - began freezing sperm June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
@ramzlau I feel like your CEO was out of line. I'm sorry you kind of felt pressured into telling him the situation. He had no right to pester you even if he thought you really were interviewing somewhere else. I have told my boss because I felt like in my particular situation, telling would make my life easier than trying to hide it, so I went with that, and it's worked out fine.
Thanks, @magnolia131! Also, I always feel like I am Veruca Salt. But I don't think anyone can blame us.
Hey ladies, sorry I'm late to the party this week. I've been lurking and reading all the posts. @jmr1515 Ugh so annoying that you've had to wait so long, I would be so frustrated as well! Hope your upcoming appointment goes well. @zwink1 I feel ya. Just because you don't get your hopes up doesn't mean that starting every cycle over doesn't hurt, I was the same way over the weekend. Hugs. @leekat14 Glad your initial appt went well! The degree that they followed up is impressive @ramzlau glad you got rid of your -2! Thanks for the podcast recommendation, definitely going to look into that @kiwi2628 Sorry for the genetic testing results, but hoping that YHs results come back clear and that can help ease your mind somewhat. @antoto and @KristoKekerooni Thanks for sharing the studies and then clarifying the original study @Aurora1973 I'm sorry that you had to jump through so many hoops during your appointment, how frustrating. FX that it works out for you.
AFM
Diagnosis (If you've been): MFI (varicocele)
Cycle/CD: 13/6
Status (WTO/TWW/TTA): WTO
What are you doing this cycle? (Testing? Treatment?) Starting to get DH's results back from 2 weeks ago. SA indicated an improvement in total motile sperm (up to 13.5 million), but did show some DNA fragmentation results that were right between borderline and abnormal. His urologist recommended a supplement for him: Coast science male fertility supplement. $99/month, but the doctor said we should get a discount when we mention his name, so that's nice! Going to start the supplement. Bloodwork also came back: testosterone normal, LH a little high and estradiol a little low, but the doctor wasn't concerned. and we are leaning towards surgery this summer, but still up in the air. I'm going in for my initial RE appt on 5/15.
How are things going? CD 1 last Friday was rough. Even though I didn't have my hopes up, for some reason this one hit hard and I had a freakout about the entire process. DH was so supportive though and it's hard because I feel like I wear my emotions so much more on my sleeve and he keeps his inside so I need to frequently check in to see how's he feeling with everything. But then I feel like we talk about this whole process so much and I just want to talk about other things.
Any questions? Anyone familiar with Coast supplements?
GTKY: You are going to be left on a deserted island for one year. What book do you bring? What music do you bring? What food item do you bring? I feel like I would want to bring some sort of collection of short stories (to get the variety) but not sure which one Summer hits of the 90s Pandora station Ice cream, although I think someone else mentioned this too, not feasible at all
@sjb2215 I am not familiar with Coast Supplements. MH is on Clomid and takes Theralogix Supplements that his Urologist recommended. I know the Theralogix ones have been tested and proven to improve motility and morph.
32 years old (both H and I) Dating 7/2008 Married 7/2014 H Type I Diabetic TTC 1/2016
12/2016
mental break from TTC-NTNP
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL) 1/17/2017
SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility) 1/18/2017
STP tubes clear 2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements 6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility 7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm) 8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup 9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze 9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid 9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
Gosh i've missed so much. Sorry for that. Work work working like 10 hours a day again..
@antoto Thank you very much for sharing all that stuff I didn't know it was IF awareness week and those posts and the pure existense of it elevated my mood on monday. Thank for the ED EOD stats. Love me some stats! We were struggling with what is the best so..
On the IVF as moral issue debate: religon I understand. Otherwise i don't see how it could be a moral issue. It is treatment. If we want to avoid messing up the natural cycle of selection then let's stop treating TB, the flu and all other diseases and medical issues as well. Imho.
@Aurora1973 I can't even express how sorry i am for you. Jumping through the hoops in vein. Hope you can catch that cancellation post sooner than June
@ramzlau When we started iui i did tell my manager for the same reason (knew there will be lots of appointments). But we have an amazing relationship so for me it was more okay to share with him. He was amazing about it, told me like ten times how he is rooting for us Since that due to corporate changes i got a new boss (above me, under my original boss), to him i only said sg like i'll be gone sometimes :P
Me: 33, DH: 38 Married: May 2015 TTC since September 2015
Re: IF/Testing Weekly Check-in 4/24
ETA - got my chart to load. Clearly no O visible here but with my irregular cycles this could just be a longer one. But I guess my question is if this looks "normal" for anyone else with pcos? I know we'll all be different but this just seems so up and down to me. I sleep about the same every night and test at the same time every morning. This is also my first time charting/temping so I have no idea whats considered "normal" at all.
DS1: 9.6.12**DS2: 12.22.14
CP1: 6/17 @4w4d
CP2: 9/17 @4w3d
CP3: 2/18 @5w
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@RatParade Sorry to see you here. I remember you from before I took a break from this site last fall and was hoping you graduated in my absence
@ramzlau-2 Thank you for mentioning that podcast. I listen to Fertility Friday a lot but the Beat Fertility one looks like it has a lot more treatment-specific info that wold be really useful and I just downloaded all the episodes my stupid phone would let me. Good luck with your RE appointment today!
@kiwi2628 Sorry to hear that. Are you going to be benched while you're waiting for YH's results like I am, or are yours so rare that your doctor(s) don't think that's necessary? I'm starting to get annoyed at the word "rare" in that there seems to be a wide range of possibilities within its clinical definition. Like the mutation I have isn't rare "enough" for my RE to be OK doing our IUI without MH's results and isn't "as rare" as some other mutations but still "rare enough" to be called "rare". (Sorry I just said "rare" a lot and annoyed myself a little so that must have been kind of annoying to read.)
@mschanandlerbong1214 Sorry you've found yourself here and FX you won't need treatments!
@ramzlau-2 and @vflux33 Ohh I never even thought about listening to fertility podcasts! Thanks for the ideas! I listen to podcasts and books all of the time .
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@BusinessWife That's an excellent question, one I asked, too, given the devastating effect replacement has on fertility. We did look into Clomid or other alternate treatments, which is part of why it's taken us so long to get here (the other part being that he worked away from home for so long). According to his urologist, the type of low T he has doesn't respond to Clomid, and I've seen some info online that backs that up. I wanted to try it anyway, but his urologist said there was no point. He's confident enough in that assessment that he wrote the referral to get us started with the freezing process (which, BTW, I'm still amazed that we had to have a referral for that when we're OOP and it's his own genetic material). God I hope the urologist is correct because this is a lot of time, money, and hassle.
I think we've decided to shoot for 2 years' worth of material. Given my age, I can't see trying beyond that.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
edit: typo
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Me: 28 Him: 30
Married: 11/15/14
TTC: 02/2016
IF DX: MFI (low count & morphology) & mild PCOS
June 2016 BFP - MC @8w2d
August 2016 BFP - MC @6w1d
June 2017 - 50 mg Clomid + Ovidrel + IUI = BFP 7/6/17!!
Beta #1 = 422 (14dpo), Beta #2 = 810, prog - 12.3 (16dpo), Beta #3 = 5023, prog - 18.9 (20dpo)
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Me: 32 | DH: 36
Married June 2005
1/2016 - TTC#1
4/2017 - Initial RE visit, Dx: Severe MFI (Varicocele, 14% motility, 3% progression, but normal count)
7/2017 - Stage 3 endometriosis discovered during laparoscopic removal of ovarian cyst
9/27/2017 - BFP at 10dpo (cycle 22), baby boy due June 9, 2018
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/04/22/fertility-treatments-ethical-moral/99770620/
"About a third of American adults say in vitro fertilization is morally acceptable"
I wonder... How many of the two thirds who don't have experienced IF or ever had the need to choose? Me thinks it's a small number. Hmm.. no wonder there's such a stigma for IF and treatment.
Religion based decisions are different, but since they started with the blanket statement of "Americans" and not a specific religion, it made me wonder.
@TravelingCouple Yeah that stat surprised me too.
*** I don't believe any of this. But that's how it was taught to me.
TTC #1 November 2016
50mg Clomid June 2017
BFP June, 21 2017 | EDD March 4, 2018
said, but as I went to a christian college, they were surprisingly into letting you find your own truth (adhering to guidelines, though). I was always alright with ART (but I also always loved science, so that might be a partial reason).
Once I started looking at ART in the face, I really had to sit down and think about EXACTLY what I believed, so I could back it up should I meet naysayers.
When the big T came into office and that personhood/abortion/whatever bill started floating around, that's when arguments really started. I was discussing it all with people every single day, especially among those in my "christian" circle. One in particular posted an open-ended facebook question basically saying she saw someone comment on the IVF aspect of it (it was actually me, she just didn't want to call me out, bless her heart) and she wasn't sure what she believed, so she was asking for opinions on either side to help her form her own opinion. I stepped in and said basically "hey, this is what IVF actually is, here is where the 'grey' is, here is how I personally view the grey." I'm not 100% sure what opinion she formed, but she was gracious enough to say she had no idea how much went into it, and she didn't feel qualified to make any calls. Furthemore, she stated she couldn't possibly understand fully, because to her, it would just affect the way she votes (if it comes to that) and for others (like me, us) it would affect the rest of our lives. She was intelligent enough to know that she no matter how much she wants to, she isn't capable of caring as much as we do. I respect that from her.
as far as the study @antoto linked, if you follow the "study" to the original source, it clarifies. The article really extrapolated and twisted that. It said 1/3 of people think it's morally acceptable, leading you to believe 2/3 think it's wrong. but that's not what the study said. The study said a third think it's morally acceptable, and half think it's not a moral issue at all, with only 12% ish saying it's morally wrong. Also interestingly, the opinions are taken largely from white christian, middle to upper class citizens.
Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
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BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
Met with OBGYN in January 2016
Me: all clear, H: OAT
November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo.
BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two!
Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
ER#2 ~Jan 2019
Diagnoses: RPL, Endometriosis, MFI (count, morph, DNI, DNAS, multiple bilateral subclinical varicoceles), low progesterone
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BFP: 15 August 2015, loss confirmed 23 August 2015
BFP: 16 November 2015, loss confirmed 22 November 2015
BFP: 18 July 2016, loss confirmed same day
BFP: 04 March 2018, loss confirmed 23 March 2018
BFP: 12 June 2018, TWINS; D&C 06 July 2018
Met with OBGYN in January 2016
Me: all clear, H: OAT
November 2016: HSG = All Clear!
January 2017: H tested again, High DNA fragmentation and stainability
February 2017: Clomid + TI + Progesterone = BFN
March 2017: Clomid + HCG + IUI + Progesterone = SA/wash: zero count on attempt #1, <1,000 on attempt #2= BFN
Varicocele Embolization- 5 May 17
December 2017 SA: Zero improvement after embolization
January IVF- 25 retrieved, 11 mature, 8 fertilized, 3 frozen day fives (3AA, 3AA, 3AA), 1 frozen day 6 (5BB), 1 frozen day 7 (3CC)
Three PGS normal (3AA, 3AA, 5BB), one inconclusive (3AA)
FET #1: 27 February 2018, 3AA & 5BB, one stuck! BFP 04 March 2018.... Loss confirmed 23 March 2018
May 2018: SHG/SIS = all clear "beautiful uterus"
FET #2: 04 June 2018, 3AA PGS normal embryo, 3AA PGS hatching inconclusive embryo.
BFP: 12 June 2018, EDD 20 February 2019
Ultrasound, 25 June 2018: There are two!
Lost Baby A 02 July 2018
Baby B not growing, D&C 06 July 2018
Laparoscopy, hysteroscopy, chromotubation: 23 July 2018: blocked right tube, heavily inflamed, covered in endo. Removed right tube. Removed more endo from uterus, tubes, ovaries. Endo remains on bladder and bowel.
ER#2 ~Jan 2019
DS1: 9.6.12**DS2: 12.22.14
CP1: 6/17 @4w4d
CP2: 9/17 @4w3d
CP3: 2/18 @5w
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So we have two options: find a doctor who works with the place that stores the sperm and will release it, or I get inseminated through them. I doubt the first thing will be very easy to do, so I have an appointment, in JUNE, to do a consultation with the RE. Oh, quick back story, before OH and I got married, we had separate insurance, and mine referred me to a different RE, the one who didn't even have a follow up appointment with me and instead had their coordinator deliver the news that they recommend I do IVF with donor eggs to me OVER THE PHONE...we are so not going to them. Anyway, that's the reason for a whole new consult.
We're continuing the process because we've got to get these guys on ice so OH can start treatment. Next Wednesday I "jerk him off into a cup" again (I truly love that he's as inappropriate and silly as I am for calling it that). I'm praying that they can at least get the sperm into my body for a reasonable fee after that. Also, it appears I'm still WTO, so we will do it like rabbits until I O.
But mostly I'm feeling like we're out. Totally out.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
It isn't covered by insurance and is $90 a visit. However, some insurance, including mine, will cover if you're being treated for pain. I used to go to a different practice for treatment of my migraines, and that really helped. The side benefit I noticed at the time was that it helped lengthen my LP (when I stopped going, the LP got shorter again, and got better when I moved to the new practice). I did tell the first acupuncturist that we were TTC, and she tried to throw in whatever she could to help out with that.
ETA: I definitely recommend giving it a shot.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Cycle/CD:
GTKY: You are going to be left on a deserted island for one year. What book do you bring? What music do you bring? What food item do you bring?
Surgery Dec 2016: submucosal fibroid removed
Awaiting RE appointment
@saralee797-2 and @JuneRoseRuby - Just jumping in on this high AMH and OHSS conversation. FWIW, I also have high AMH (over 40 - not a typo) and have done injections and was super scared of what might happen. In my case it's different though since the injections were for TI not IVF, so the goal was to only get a couple follies to develop. Any way, they'll start you on a very low dose to see how your body responds, with the goal of taking it slow and not overstimming you. The bad news is you can still overstim on a low dose. The good news is you might not need as much medication as other people. Also, my clinic uses Lupron instead of an HCG trigger which greatly reduces the risk of OHSS.
@kiwi2628 Sorry to hear about the gene mutation. FX everything is good on your H's side.
@RatParade Acupuncture isn't covered for IF by my insurance because it's considered "experimental". I pay $70/session. I like acupuncture because the appointment forces me to block out that time for myself to relax, my acupuncturist has a heated table and puts a heat lamp thing over my stomach, and uses good-smelling essential oils. I do think it has the potential to help with IF, but even if it doesn't, it is a treat for myself.
@aurora1973 Sorry you have to jump through so many hoops to get that sperm where it need to be... Very frustrating.
@jmr1515 Some of us really need to quit our jobs and become REs to decrease that wait time!
@blackrose-3 FX you get to trigger Thursday!
Quick update on today's RE appointment:
It went so well! It definitely helped to go in knowing all of our results so far, having our medical records in hand, and being able to summarize in 10 min our process to date. We are going to do some more testing over the next few days and should have the results before the next cycle. Feels good to have a plan again, and a doctor that is trying to find a solution that is right for us. We are tentatively planning to do IUI in June with just trigger and progesterone, until then she has recommended a few new vitamins, baby aspirin, and pilates (I gave up my hot yoga a year ago and was asking for her recommendation).
On the other hand, my CEO flipped when I came into the office "dressed up", our dress code leans towards board shorts & flip-flops. He was sure I had been at an interview, even though I said multiple times it was a doctor's appointment. I gave up trying to convince him otherwise and finally told him about the infertility process we are going through. It was way more than I wanted to share with him, but I realize appointments are only going to add up from here on out, and I decided full disclosure was going to be the best option.
Have many of you shared with your managers?
@Aurora1973 Sometimes I feel this process is 2 steps forward and 1 step back. I hope you are able to get it all resolved soon!
@antoto Thanks for sharing the article!
I hesitate to share our personal beliefs as a couple on the matter out of respect for anyone who may have different beliefs on the matter. However I will say whoever that guy is who said children born of ART become a, "product and not a gift," is absolutely full of it!
@ramzlau-2 Glad to hear that your appointment went so well! That sounds kinda awkward about the CEO. I don't have a situation like that, but I'd be worried now that he will feel obligated to ask you about IF every time you're dressed like that, which might be less than ideal if you're in work mode not feeling like discussing it.
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@JuneRoseRuby The waiting is awful. I'm so over it and equally thankful to have this wonderful place where we can all understand one another's frustrations.
@gusgus14 I took Clomid from an OB with minimal monitoring twice before finding this board and seeing the light/getting to an RE. I'm happy to hear you'll be moving onto an RE next cycle because there really is such a difference and I'm sure you'll notice it too. I'm sorry you're struggling a bit with the stress of it all. Anxiety/depression from this TTC business is no joke and yes, the financial implications are sadly very real for many couples. We're definitely here to offer support along this bumpy journey (pun not intended)- although I hope this is your cycle and it won't even have to be a conversation!
@vflux33 Sending good thoughts your way for your H's test results.
@RatParade I move slowly too with all of this. It took me far too long to get myself to an RE. I feel like I need to mentally digest each piece before taking new steps and I think it's okay. Now that we dragged our heels for so long though I sometimes get the feeling like I need to make up for lost time, which is not realistic. I'm sorry that you're facing the IVF/ICSI prognosis. I know it's better to be armed with information/solutions but I don't think that's particularly easy for anyone to come to terms with. Also, to everyone involved with the ED/EOD convo- it made for a really interesting read! Thanks for bringing it up.
@jmr1515 That's great news you'll be able to get into an RE sooner than later. Best of luck- you've definitely waited enough already!
@zwink1 I had zero coverage with my old insurance. My RE could have given me aspirin and I'd be charged for it. I'm sorry because I know how much that adds to the stress. I hope your funk, as you put it, ends soon. TTC can be enough of a battle without having all of these other issues compiled on top of it.
@madspunk Thanks for your thoughtful reply. I worried that my post may have read a bit like this...
**edited twice for broken gif- was of Veruca Salt from Willy Wonka saying "I want it now!" but I'm on mobile now and whatever I tried did not work so alas, no gif.
Heck, sometimes I genuinely think/feel that way! But the longer we wait the less hopeful I become that it'll really happen for us. And I'm just tired and defeated from always feeling like a take home baby is some hypothetical dream in the far off distance. I hope you had a nice acupuncture sesh and GL with your follie check tomorrow!
@leekat14 I'm glad your consult went so well!
@ramzlau-2 Thanks for the podcast rec! Glad to hear the RE went smoothly.
@kiwi2628 I'm sorry to hear about the genetic testing results. FX your H's results come back all clear.
@Aurora1973 That first clinic sounds like a nightmare. I'm so sorry that you're facing more roadblocks. I hope June gets here before you know it...maybe they can keep you on standby for a cancellation in the mean time? How frustrating, I'm sure.
i havent had my blood work done yet because I didn't follow the dr orders on abstaining from BD for two weeks and now I'm worried I have to wait another whole two weeks to have it done.
.....orrr I may just go get the blood work and take the Provera anyways. At this point I'm pretty sure I'm not ovulating, therefore making my chances of getting pregnant very slim.
Im frustrated with myself because I am not being very proactive or doing what needs to be done. I'm in some kind of rut with myself. Can not get out of bed in the mornings and just in a fog. Feel like I'm at a dead end with work and my relationship is suffering at the moment for reasons I'm unsure of. Probably has to do with my current state of down in the dumps.
If that individual thinks I will love my future child any less because medical intervention was needed, he is crazy. That guy clearly has no idea what the "gift" of life really means.
ETA I know I'm being a dirty lurker, but I had to give @BusinessWife a shout-out for her great comment
TTC since June 2016
Azoospermia diagnosis (zero count) Dec 2016
AZFc chromosome microdeletion discovery March 2017
Unsuccessful TESE for DH in August 2017
October 2017 IVF with donor sperm
29R, 24M, 16F, 2d5, 4d6 (6 embryos total)
Only 3 could have PGS. 2/3 normal. 5 embies frozen
12/15/17 FET #1 (1 embryo)--CP
2/7/17 FET #2 (2 embryos)--BFN
Chronic endometritis diagnosis May 2018
ERA Sept 2018--borderline receptive--12 more hours of progesterone
Abnormal SIS Oct 2018
Repeat hysteroscopy Nov 1. Treated recurring endometritis.
12/4/18 FET #3 (2 embryos)--BFN
Our journey has come to an end.
Yes, thankfully I am on a list for a cancellation. The sooner the better!!
You all are awesome. It's so nice that I can vent here...plus I just did a Ten Things post, and that made me feel better, too.
Beloved SS: born 12/2011
TTC my bio #1/our #2 since January 2016
**TW** June 2016 had CP **end TW**
August 2016 - dx with DOR
Somewhere in here received recommendation to do IVF with donor eggs, elected not to; OH dx with Low T
May 2017 - began freezing sperm
June 2017 - OH began treatment for Low T
July 2017 - began doing 1 IUI via a midwife and 1 at home insemination each cycle
http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/6259ba
July 2018 - exhausted frozen sperm, officially NTNP since OH is probably shooting blanks
Thanks, @magnolia131! Also, I always feel like I am Veruca Salt. But I don't think anyone can blame us.
@jmr1515 Ugh so annoying that you've had to wait so long, I would be so frustrated as well! Hope your upcoming appointment goes well.
@zwink1 I feel ya. Just because you don't get your hopes up doesn't mean that starting every cycle over doesn't hurt, I was the same way over the weekend. Hugs.
@leekat14 Glad your initial appt went well! The degree that they followed up is impressive
@ramzlau glad you got rid of your -2! Thanks for the podcast recommendation, definitely going to look into that
@kiwi2628 Sorry for the genetic testing results, but hoping that YHs results come back clear and that can help ease your mind somewhat.
@antoto and @KristoKekerooni Thanks for sharing the studies and then clarifying the original study
@Aurora1973 I'm sorry that you had to jump through so many hoops during your appointment, how frustrating. FX that it works out for you.
AFM
Cycle/CD: 13/6
GTKY: You are going to be left on a deserted island for one year. What book do you bring? What music do you bring? What food item do you bring?
I feel like I would want to bring some sort of collection of short stories (to get the variety) but not sure which one
Summer hits of the 90s Pandora station
Ice cream, although I think someone else mentioned this too, not feasible at all
Dating 7/2008
Married 7/2014
H Type I Diabetic
TTC 1/2016
1/10/2017 initial appt with RE (all BW results WNL)
1/17/2017 SA DX Virtual Azoo (3 sperm 0%morph 0%motility)
1/18/2017 STP tubes clear
2/1/2017 initial appt with Urologist
2/15/2017 DX H Robertsonian Translocation
H is on clomid and Theralogix Supplements
6/26/17 repeat SA: 47 sperm 0% morph 13% motility
7/26/17 IVF Consult, repeat SA (4 sperm)
8/21/17 Starting IVF cycle with Donor Sperm backup
9/1/17 ER ICSI PGS: only 2 donor embryos made it to freeze
9/13/17 Started cycle for IUI with donor and clomid
9/27/17 IUI canceled for overstim
October Plan IUI with donor and low dose clomid
@antoto Thank you very much for sharing all that stuff
On the IVF as moral issue debate: religon I understand. Otherwise i don't see how it could be a moral issue. It is treatment. If we want to avoid messing up the natural cycle of selection then let's stop treating TB, the flu and all other diseases and medical issues as well. Imho.
@Aurora1973 I can't even express how sorry i am for you. Jumping through the hoops in vein. Hope you can catch that cancellation post sooner than June
@ramzlau When we started iui i did tell my manager for the same reason (knew there will be lots of appointments). But we have an amazing relationship so for me it was more okay to share with him. He was amazing about it, told me like ten times how he is rooting for us
Since that due to corporate changes i got a new boss (above me, under my original boss), to him i only said sg like i'll be gone sometimes :P
Married: May 2015
TTC since September 2015