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Chart Stalk & Questions Thread - Week of 4/03



This is a thread where anyone can feel free to request a chart stalk, second-guess FF's interpretation, or post TTC-related questions, regardless of where in your cycle you are. Sometimes FF is wrong. That's where we come in. Get your second opinion here. 
Me: 29 | DH: 29
Married 12/2016
DSS born 01/2016
TTC since 01/2017
Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
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Re: Chart Stalk & Questions Thread - Week of 4/03

  • Not a chart stalk, but a TTC question - Since I have started charting I have noticed that I do not produce much EWCM. In fact, I didn't see any this cycle. I know several of you ladies take evening primrose oil and I wanted to get your thoughts on it. Did you see a significant increase in EWCM production? Do you take starting CD1 until O? Do you recommend a certain brand? Are there any recent grads that used it?
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
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  • @morado23 I don't have experience with EPO but I've used green tea to increase EWCM and that worked well for me.
  • @morado23 yes!!! I started taking evening primrose oil last cycle because I had hardly any EWCM and both last cycle and this cycle I had a lot of it and for multiple days instead of maybe one day like I used to. I take it CD1 until O and I use the Target brand, you have to take three pills a day so I usually just take one after each meal.
    TTC History
    Me: 35 DH: 34
    Married 07/2012
    DD born 07/2014
    DD2 born 10/2018
    DS born 10/2022

    IF history:
    TTC #2 since January 2016
    June-Aug 2017: 3 IUIs w/Clomid = BFN
    Sept 2017: Dx w/Endometriosis
    Oct 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN
    Nov 2017: IUI w/Letrozole = BFN
    Dec 2017: pre-IVF testing
    Jan-Feb 2018: IVF--17 eggs retrieved, 13 fertilized, 9 frozen and 1 transferred on 2/10 = BFP on 2/19!!! EDD 10/29/2018
    FET Oct 2021: BFP on 10/31! MC at 5 weeks
    FET Feb 2022: BFP on 2/15! EDD 10/29/22


  • @TravelingCouple -Thank you for the info on green tea. I will pick up some to keep in my desk at work!
    @shortstack930 - I was really bummed that I didn't see any EWCM at all this cycle. I think I might look on Amazon for some and compare prices! Thank you!
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
  • @morado23 I would definitely read up on Primrose before taking it. if you're using it for ttc purposes it suggests stopping it after ovulation because it can cause uterine contractions that could prevent implantation. (It being dr google.) It also says right on the bottle not to take if you are pregnant and that it can cause "reproductive system adverse effects." 
    Search for the great big supplement thread on here- it's definitely worth a look!
  • @Redpuma119 - That's why I asked if those who took it stopped at O in my original post, because I had read about the uterine contractions. I did actually go back and read that thread, but I didn't see where anyone definitively said that primrose oil had increased their production of EWCM. I'm sorry if you felt like I was unecassirly asking a redundant question. 
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
  • @morado23 do you see wet cm? some ladies don't get EWCM but wet is still considered fertile. I get EWCM some cycles and not others...
    *TW*
    TTC 1/2012
    Diagnosed : unexplained infertility
    6 rounds of IUI and a MC 2/2014, rainbow twins 4/2015
    TTC #3 5/2016
    Restarted Fertility tx
    IUI 2 rounds, baby girl 12/17

  • Redpuma119Redpuma119 member
    edited April 2017
    @morado23 Not an unnecessary question at all. I often have questions about supplements so I'm always going back to that thread! I thought taking primrose was a good idea and then read up on it so I wanted to pass that info along!

    eta- words are hard

  • @wabash15 - I do see a couple of days of wet CM and one day of EWCM if I'm lucky, which is why I feel like maybe I could find a way to produce a little more! 
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
  • I love this question! I had the same one sooooo thanks for asking. I normally see wet CM and not EWCM and was wondering the same. 
  • Ok also, I'm here because I wanted to share my chart and get insights. FF originally said I O'd on Friday, the switched to Saturday. Any guesses why? And what's that drop on 27 about? 
    Thanks ladies. I have no idea what I'm doing, but I'm doing it anyway! 

  • @aalauren - I agree with FF about O-ing on CD 16. I think it adjusted the day baesed on how your temps rose above the coverline. Also, most people O 12-36 hours after a +OPK. Otheres may have better insight, but I think the chart is right and you're doing a great job collecting data!
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
  • @morado23 thanks! Yea I feel like I need a few more cycles to figure out how many hours I O after a +OPK. It's suck tedious work!
  • Hey ladies - the folks on TWW suggested I share my chart here. My temp has been inconsistent but it is largely my fault I think because I've been getting up to take it. I had EWCM starting CD13 evening, had it through CD14, then it was gone. Admittedly CF is still a bit slippery. Secondary signs - cramping on CD 14, and around CD10 cervix became softer and starting today is firmer again. I think I O'd on CD14  but with temps so erratic it's hard to confirm. Took OPKs several times CD13 and 14 but negative (but I drink a lot of water so?). 

    Any my thoughts are appreciated. I am going to have to start being better with the temps going forward, clearly.

  • @zamora_spin There is no ovulation pattern that I can see currently on your chart.  I would suggest to continue using OPKs, temping and HIO.  Also just as an FYI, if you decided to switch to temping vaginally do not do so until the start of your next cycle as vaginal temps are generally higher than oral and they can really mess with your chart.


    "It's time to try defying gravity."

    Me: 38  DH: 38
    Married 6/11/16
    TTC Since 6/2016
    12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
    3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
    8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
    7/2018 Clomid+IUI
    11/2018 Letrozole+TI
    12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
    2/2019 NTNP
    5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
  • @zamora_spin I understand making every cycle count due to age, I'm 36 and feel like the clock is ticking as the cycles go by.  The ladies on this board are a wealth of knowledge and information and are always happy to offer help and suggestions.  


    "It's time to try defying gravity."

    Me: 38  DH: 38
    Married 6/11/16
    TTC Since 6/2016
    12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
    3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
    8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
    7/2018 Clomid+IUI
    11/2018 Letrozole+TI
    12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
    2/2019 NTNP
    5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
  • @zamora_spin Woo! Glad you finally got your +OPK - and that you tested to catch it! :)
  • lulu1180 said:
    @zamora_spin I understand making every cycle count due to age, I'm 36 and feel like the clock is ticking as the cycles go by.  The ladies on this board are a wealth of knowledge and information and are always happy to offer help and suggestions.  
    GL to you and thanks again, I hope this is your cycle! I think for us ladies 35 and up it is hard not to get a bit psyched out by the way that people talk about fertility after 35. We will work on proving them wrong :)
  • morado23 said:
    @aalauren - I agree with FF about O-ing on CD 16. I think it adjusted the day baesed on how your temps rose above the coverline. Also, most people O 12-36 hours after a +OPK. Otheres may have better insight, but I think the chart is right and you're doing a great job collecting data!
    Yep, I've noticed that FF will always adjust O to the day before the temp spike. So because CD17 is higer then the previous 6 days it predicts that CD16 is O. Idk a lot about OPKs and what the norm is but I do know that it can take some women up to 2 days after O to see their temperature rise. So it's not always the next day like FF tends to predict but you also have the OPKs to go off of so if what Morado23 is saying about 12-36hrs is true then CD16 is probably right! 

    My temps always rise very similar to your chart though and your rise between CD15 and 16 is what always makes me question O as well. Cuz why would your temp spike that much unless your body hasn't already started releasing progesteone? Sorry, don't mean to confuse you more, I've just felt stuck with this as well. 
  • JJMNO1616 said:
    morado23 said:
    @aalauren - I agree with FF about O-ing on CD 16. I think it adjusted the day baesed on how your temps rose above the coverline. Also, most people O 12-36 hours after a +OPK. Otheres may have better insight, but I think the chart is right and you're doing a great job collecting data!
    Yep, I've noticed that FF will always adjust O to the day before the temp spike. So because CD17 is higer then the previous 6 days it predicts that CD16 is O. Idk a lot about OPKs and what the norm is but I do know that it can take some women up to 2 days after O to see their temperature rise. So it's not always the next day like FF tends to predict but you also have the OPKs to go off of so if what Morado23 is saying about 12-36hrs is true then CD16 is probably right! 

    My temps always rise very similar to your chart though and your rise between CD15 and 16 is what always makes me question O as well. Cuz why would your temp spike that much unless your body hasn't already started releasing progesteone? Sorry, don't mean to confuse you more, I've just felt stuck with this as well. 
    @JJMNO1616 That is incorrect.  Your temp rises the day after O but the rise pattern can vary even from cycle to cycle with the same person.  What I think you meant to say is that it can take some women up to 2 days after a +OPK to see a temperature rise and confirm O.  O typically happens anywhere from 12-48 hours after a +OPK

    @aalauren Based on the watery CM you had on CD17 I would actually venture to say that's when O was


    "It's time to try defying gravity."

    Me: 38  DH: 38
    Married 6/11/16
    TTC Since 6/2016
    12/2016 RE appt; 1/2017 SA & HSG results - all normal
    3/2017 Dx Hyperprolactinemia; 5/2017 Prolactin levels normal; 8/2017 Low Ovarian Reserve
    8/2017 TTA for personal reasons; 10/2017 NTNP; 12/2017 Re-start TTC
    7/2018 Clomid+IUI
    11/2018 Letrozole+TI
    12/2018 Letrozole+IUI
    2/2019 NTNP
    5/2019 Stopping all TTC efforts; living Childfree
  • @lulu1180 It's very possible that I am confused because I have certainly been feeling that way lol but... according to what I have read in TCOYF the 24hr temp rise after O isn't always true. I actually took a picture of what the book says (see below). Please let me know if I am misinterpreting what this is saying though! 

     
  • @JJMNO1616 Huh... I've been following this just because I always learn a lot from conversations like this and once again, I relearned something I must have skimmed over when I read TCOYF. Thanks for sharing :)
  • @Sailing_Mama It's kind of hidden. This page out of the book was in the "trouble shooting your cycle" section and is being discussed in regards to LP defects. I only found it because I actually went digging for it after reading online that some women do O more then 24hrs before the temp rise. I never recalled this from my first read through the book either. 
  • JJMNO1616 I have the same issue with the slow reaction to progesterone. It really threw me off at first. If you have the 20th Anniversary edition of TCOYF there's a longer explanation of this on p. 102 in the gray box. FF actually showed mine correctly but IDK why. 
  • @vflux33 That is the edition I have! Thanks for pointing me to longer explanation. I figured there was more about it somewhere. 
  • @JJMNO1616 I basically reread that whole chapter looking for it because my CM completely dries up 2-3 days before my temp rise (with OPKs lining up with the CM--not with the temp rise.) 
  • @vflux33 So it seems like in terms of PP @aalauren this wouldn't apply because her CM is pretty consistent with her temp rise. For me, the confusion is that my fertile CM seems to last forever... i'll have 5-7 days of watery or EWCM with a slow temp rise. So it's super difficult for me to tell what's happening. I should probably start experimenting with OPKs.  
  • JJMNO1616 said:
    @vflux33 So it seems like in terms of PP @aalauren this wouldn't apply because her CM is pretty consistent with her temp rise. For me, the confusion is that my fertile CM seems to last forever... i'll have 5-7 days of watery or EWCM with a slow temp rise. So it's super difficult for me to tell what's happening. I should probably start experimenting with OPKs.  
    Interesting. Yeah, I agree that does sound different. Either way I'd def invest in some OPKS!
  • What are some reasons to discard a temperature? I think I need to discard today's but I'm not sure. I KNOW I was breathing through my mouth all night long last night, and my temp was significantly higher than previous temps. Do I give it a couple days to see if they stay higher? Or go ahead and discard? 
    DS1 born 2/28/16
    DS2 due 12/12/18

  • Okay. It just threw me off because yesterday's was so high (as I mentioned above) and then today's was almost a whole degree lower. Yesterday I had dotted crosshairs marking 3 days prior as O then they went away today. Still my first cycle temping (currently CD47), so I apologize if I have dumb questions at any point...
    DS1 born 2/28/16
    DS2 due 12/12/18

  • starlastarla member
    edited April 2017
    I need a chart stalk, mostly because I'm getting impatient.

    I've had several days of fertile CM. A long stretch of fertile CM has happened for me in the past so it's not out of the ordinary. The watery CM has been a combo between watery and creamy. It dried up a bit yesterday, turning more into sticky with a bit of EWCM. I also had a massive headache and nausea all day yesterday, which I've noticed are a sign of O for me.

    The OPK was slightly darker yesterday and then lighter today. I'm wondering if it was + because I don't even turn it as dark as the control line. I marked it as positive on my chart for now. Question: is O today?

    Chart:

    My Ovulation Chart
    Me: 34 | DH: 33
    Married Aug. 2013
    TTC #1 Sep. 2016
    ***TW***
    BFP Jan. 15, 2017; MMC Mar. 4, 2017 at 10w6d
    BFP Jun. 5, 2017; MMC Aug. 2, 2017 at 11w6d
    BFP Nov. 20, 2017; ended in CP
    All the tests. Everything normal except treated for ureaplasma and DH potentially has high DNAF.
    BFP Dec. 25, 2017; EDD Sep. 5, 2018; DD arrived Aug. 26th
    My chart: https://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/63f71d


  • NYTino24NYTino24 member
    edited April 2017
    *lurking / loss and pregnancy mentioned*
    @JMN02184 @lulu1180 Disclaimer: the two cycles I'm about to discuss are immediately post loss, but I didn't get a temp spike for 2-3 days after O these times. It's definitely not my typical pattern, but I didn't get my spike until after my OPKs went negative. Also, judging by my last two ultrasounds, (another two tomorrow), I probably did ovulate a couple of days before the spike because baby has measured 2-3 days ahead in both. It's still early, so who knows... but it could definitely be possible.

    ETA baby is now measuring 4 days ahead on both ultrasounds.
    It's funny how it's the little things in life that mean the most...not where you live, or what you drive, or the price tag on your clothes... There's no dollar sign on a piece of mind, this I've come to know! *ZBB*

    Me: 36 DH 35 
    TTC  9/2016     BFP 12/9/16    EDD 8/21/17    NMC 1/8/16 at 7w6d
    TTC  2/2017  BFP 3/6/17   EDD 11/17/17   DS born 11/25/17 via ECS
    TTC 12/2018   BFP 6/2/19   EDD 2/12/20  NMC / BO at 7 weeks, low progesterone
    TTC 7/2019   BFP 8/21/19 EDD 4/22/20 CP at 5 weeks
    TTC 8/19    IUI #1 w/ Clomid + Ovidrel + progesterone  BFN, IUI 2 and 3 w/ Letrozole + Ovidrel + progesterone,
    IUI 4 Follistim + Ovidrel + progesterone BFP 1/9/20 EDD 9/18/20

    AMA, ITP in pregnancy, vWD type II - low Factor VIII, unexplained RPL and secondary infertility
  • @kiki75 LOL! That is the perfect gif.
  • johnandtarynjohnandtaryn member
    edited April 2017
    First time poster here, so i may be in the wrong spot lol :) But I suck at reading BBT charts and kinda need someone to look at it a tell me what they see. I havent ovulated or seen AF in 5+ years and started taking metformin in February. my chart is usually erratic and crazy but it seams to be leveling out(metfomin maybe?) and i think i finally have a ovulation pattern, but then it dropped but I haven't seen AF yet.
    Thanks ladies! :D
    *Baby dust*
     



    EDIT: my chart didnt show up. how do I share a chart from Kindara?
  • pebbledampebbledam member
    edited April 2017
    @Knottie1466321677 - Please read the stickied threads at the top of this board to get a feel for the community, especially the TTGP guide and Bump Guidlines. We do not use the term "baby dust" on this board because it is intensive to those that have their lost babies. 

    Next, I would recommend logging into the Knot and changing your screen name to something recognizable and easy to tag and then intoroduce yourself in the intro thread! This is a great community and you can learn a lot here. 

    Eta typo
    Me: 29 | DH: 29
    Married 12/2016
    DSS born 01/2016
    TTC since 01/2017
    Letrozole + TI = BFP 01/30/2018 | EDD 10/11/2018
    Babysizer Cravings Pregnancy Tracker
  • @morado23 thank you for the advice. I have been trying to change my username and such for a week now but I just keep getting errors :( I am sorry about the baby dust thing I honestly didn't know. I am new to all the ttc boards and still getting the hang of all the different rules. :)
  • @Knottie1466321677 I'm not familiar with kindara. Can you take a screenshot? 
    Me: late 30s | H: early 30s
    TTC #1 since April 2015
    RE Dx: Fibroids, surgery Jan 2016
    IUI #1 and #2, Nov/Dec 2016, BFN
    IVF March 2017: ER - 5R/3M/3F, 1 PGS normal
    Polyp removed May 2017
    FET May 2017 - BFP!
    Baby boy born 2/2/18

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