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dragonfly87-2 · November 2016

Boo! The website maintenance must have deleted all the threads created today. Or can others still see them?

Should we re-create them? Or just make new ones tomorrow?

britvahok · November 2016

I noticed that! I was really confused and thought something was wrong with my laptop

laurad75 · November 2016

I thought it was just me. I've been out all day and just got on via my phone to catch up. What a bummer!!

lulu1180 · November 2016

Any threads or comments from today were deleted. I was hoping they would show back up eventually

flashley-2 · November 2016

Booo I was waiting tonight to follow up on all of you lovely ladies !!!

adirat · November 2016

Weeeeeeeird.

JuneRoseRuby · November 2016

damn, anything interesting happen today? I jut logged on to check out everything that happened today since I wasn't able to catch up

adirat · November 2016

@JuneRoseRuby Well today is @lulu1180 's birthday!

JuneRoseRuby · November 2016

@lulu1180
Happy Birthday!!!
party birthday excited yeah happy birthday

TravelingCouple · November 2016

Yeah I thought something was wrong with my mobile bump, but my laptop shows the same. Bummer. Is everyone psyched for Thanksgiving?
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flashley-2 · November 2016

@lulu1180 Happy Birthday Lady !!!

jpearl2307 · November 2016

@lulu1180 Happy Birthday!!

jpearl2307 · November 2016

All of my comments from yesterday were deleted! So weird

JulesDP · November 2016

@lulu1180

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hartmich · November 2016

Happy birthday @lulu1180!!

I feel so out of the loop without the posts to catch up on!!

lulu1180 · November 2016

@hartmich Me too!

saralee797-2 · November 2016

What the what??

@lulu1180 Happy Birthday girl!!!

dragonfly87-2 · November 2016

Happy Birthday @lulu1180

JuneRoseRuby · November 2016

@hartmich ditto! I didn't read anything today so I feel like I don't know whats happening!! I had to glance through WTO and lurk TWW Tuesdays to feel like I knew where everyone was

adirat · November 2016

@hartmich I know! I'm at such a loss. Did anyone need a cs? Were there any bfps?

hartmich · November 2016

I hope the posts show up at some point. I had asked a question in WTO and hadn't had a chance to come back til now.

missteacherlady16 · November 2016

Hey @BumpAdmin - what's up?

lulu1180 · November 2016

@adirat I didn't see any grad posts before the maintenance started and I was on right when it started

adirat · November 2016

lulu1180 said:

@adirat I didn't see any grad posts before the maintenance started and I was on right when it started

Ah I guess it was wishful thinking on my part.

lulu1180 · November 2016

Yes @BumpAdmin What's up?? Are we going to get those posts back??

adirat · November 2016

I was going to try to track down the study about temping accuracy to read. @Sailing_mama were you the one who had the book? Sorry to be a pest but would you mind posting the citation again?

jess0211 · November 2016

Just logged in and saw all the posts were deleted? What did I miss? How are you ladies today?

jess0211 · November 2016

@lulu1180 Happy Birthday!

JuneRoseRuby · November 2016

guys, this is bad, without the Wednesdays threads, I'm stalking all sorts of boards that I do not need to... like we talked about earlier this week.. July 2017 is not good for my mental health
crazy all person youre sanest

I think I just need to go to bed!

lulu1180 · November 2016

@JuneRoseRuby

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jess0211 · November 2016

@TravelingCouple that's one of my all time favorite episodes!

zwink1 · November 2016

I thought I was losing it for a minute there. Hopefully the posts are back at some point.

@lulu1180 Happy Birthday!!!!

starla · November 2016

Boo!!!! I was excited to catch up.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY @lulu1180!!!!!

britvahok · November 2016

@lulu1180 Happy Birthday!

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missteacherlady16 · November 2016

Any insight would be greatly appreciated @BumpAdmin - what gives?

doula-mama · November 2016

@adirat It was me - and definitely not a problem to requote (from Expecting Better - for those who missed the original convo):

Charting:
"In a study from the late 1990's, researchers followed a set of women trying not to get pregnant and evaluated how good various methods were at detecting ovulation. In this study, they were able to pinpoint the actual date of ovulation using ultrasound, so they knew the truth. The temperature-charting method as used by these women accurately identified the day of ovulation about 30 percent of the time. Another 30 percent of the time this method pointed to ovulation one day before it actually occurred.

The day before ovulation is also good for pregnancy sex. Putting this together: if you have sex on the date indicated by temperature charting, 60 percent of the time you would manage to time sex on one of the two most fertile days of the month."

Study reference: M. Guida et al., "Efficacy of Methods for Determining Ovulation in a Natural Family Planning Program," Fertility and Sterility 72, no. 5 (1999): 900-904.

OPKs:
"In the same study that evaluated the temperature and mucus charting, urine-based ovulation tests put them to shame; these tests identified the day of ovulation 100 percent of the time. A study of the Clearblue fertility monitor specifically found that 23 percent of women who were randomly given access to this technology got pregnant in the two months of the study, versus only 15 percent who didn't have it."

Study reference: J. E. Robinson, M. Wakelin, and J. E. Ellis, "Increased Pregnancy Rate with Use of the Clearblue Easy Fertility Monitor," Fertility and Sterility 87, no. 2 (2007): 329-34.

haylsbayls-2 · November 2016

Just logged on to catch up. What the heck?!

dragonfly87-2 · November 2016

@Sailing_Mama: Wait, so it's more likely than not that the day FF cross hairs on the chart is actually 1 day off (i.e., says its the 19th but it's actually the 20th)?

Ugh...just when I thought I was actually starting to understand my body and cycles...

sparklepony · November 2016

Very tardy to this party! Today was madness at work and then had to entertain in-laws all evening. Finally got DH to sleep and ready to catch up with my bumpies. Bummed the posts are gone!! Looking forward to hearing from everyone tomorrow.

virginiaham · November 2016

At least the UTI thread is back open

juliebleu · November 2016

@baileygomez I was like- wait-what?!? As well so I logged onto my research account (thanks work!) and read the article. Here's my summary of the interesting bits:

They used ultrasound as the control, everyone had ultrasound daily. They marked O as the day before a corpus luteum showed up on ultrasound.(100% of days this occurred)

All participants used (clear plan brand) opks in the morning. These tests used "monoclonal antibodies directed versus LH bound to a colorimetric substance" and I have nooo idea what that means... (66% if time they measured this)

All participants gave saliva samples daily that were analyzed for two separate things related to fertility. (64-84%)

They all charted mucus and peak day was determined retrospectively as last day of high quality wet or stretchy mucus. (100%)

BBT was to be taken at same time daily after at least two hours of sleep. (100%)

So there were 40 participants and each did about 3-4 cycles. They were found via asking gyno about using natural family planning and gyno asking back if they would participate in a study.

Here's the interesting bit:

"Determination of mucus sensation and characteristics indicated ovulation the day after actual ovulation in 27.4% of cases. Finally, body temperature measurements indicated ovulation the day before ultrasonographically detected ovulation in 32% of cases."

The problem is there are lotsa problems with this research article.

1. They don't say how they determined ovulation from monitoring bbt or mucus/sensation... we could assume they said ovulation was day of last good mucus and. Day before temp rise... but since they didn't state this (but did go into detail about how they determined O using all the other methods...) we can't really assume that.

2. Only 2 hours of sleep before bbt? Really? Sure they said at least 2. But I mean if I don't get at least 4, I chuck mine.

3. They state that clearly bbt isn't accurate at determining O but again- how did they decide what day was O using bbt and- only 2 hours of sleep?

4. The opks being 100% accurate is a bit faulty as they weren't used every time so they may have missed data (accurate 100% of the time they were used).

5. It is unknown if these women were skilled at checking for fertility signs or if they had been just taught- study leaves this info out, too. Since the participants were people who asked about starting nfp we can assume they were novices- so who knows how accurate their mucus reports were.

I find it interesting that in their study mucus tended to predict late and bbt early?!?

This doesn't make much sense from what I was taught in TCOYF.

All in all I'd shrug my shoulder at this one.

I couldn't find if this study was funded by an opk company- it was an Italian brand and study is from Italy but that doesn't mean much. Usually they will say if there is bias and this study didn't.

Someone else saw something fishy and wrote a letter to the editor:

https://www.fertstert.org/article/S0015-0282(00)01652-6/pdf

It pretty much says: oh you tiny sample size study. We have been collecting similar data for 20+ years, including a study that confirm O with ultrasound (gold standard). And in only 11% of cases does temp shift happen before O (granted another small sample size).

I haven't read the study referred to in the letter to the editor but my gut tells me that they perhaps better trained their subjects to observe signs and take bbt after a full nights rest. In the letter they even defined how they used mucus and bbt to determine O day so yay for clarity!

And if you read all that I owe you a cookie.

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