June 2016 Moms

Dump the Bumper.

Came across this article on Crib Bumpers on the BBC news. Although they make your crib look pretty they are now thought to be a leading cause of suffocation. Won't be bothering with one after reading this!

https://www.futurity.org/crib-bumpers-ban-1056622/
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  • We've used this breathable mesh bumper for DS and it's worked great. It's a mesh, so you can see through it and it's totally breathable. DS always tries to stick his feet through the crib slats, so we've been happy to have it.

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  • We've used this breathable mesh bumper for DS and it's worked great. It's a mesh, so you can see through it and it's totally breathable. DS always tries to stick his feet through the crib slats, so we've been happy to have it.


    I see where your coming from but unfortunately there is still a small risk of entanglement leading to strangulation. I think there have only been 3 deaths this way but it's 3 too many. Although arms and legs can get wedged in the bars, the worst that can happen with that is brusing. So nothing in crib is recommended where possible. It up to the individual to decide what they prefer I guess.

  • Atlast111 said:

    Came across this article on Crib Bumpers on the BBC news. Although they make your crib look pretty they are now thought to be a leading cause of suffocation. Won't be bothering with one after reading this!

    https://www.futurity.org/crib-bumpers-ban-1056622/

    I thought bumpers were out a while ago??? I was told not to use them with DD. 


    Unfortunately they are still heavily sold everywhere. They also seem to come as standard when you buy baby bed linen sets. This was more a gentle reminder for first time mums or those who were unaware of the dangers.
  • @augbride87 they've been not recommended for at least ten years I believe. Companies still sell them, but they should never be used with an infant. It's more for looks/toddler era. As unappealing aesthetically as it is to most, the best option for the first 6mths (minimum) is a tightly fitted crib sheet with no pillows or stuffed toys. This has helped reduce SIDS rates significantly. :) parents can fancy up the nursery with wall decals or shadow boxes behind the crib and mobiles over it in the meantime. (I personally love the sleek look of just the nicely patterned or pretty shade sheet)
  • Atlast111Atlast111 member
    edited November 2015
    HBamama2B said:

    @augbride87 they've been not recommended for at least ten years I believe. Companies still sell them, but they should never be used with an infant. It's more for looks/toddler era. As unappealing aesthetically as it is to most, the best option for the first 6mths (minimum) is a tightly fitted crib sheet with no pillows or stuffed toys. This has helped reduce SIDS rates significantly. :) parents can fancy up the nursery with wall decals or shadow boxes behind the crib and mobiles over it in the meantime. (I personally love the sleek look of just the nicely patterned or pretty shade sheet)

    Very true! I think they also recommend the zip up baby sleeping bags as a way of preventing baby getting caught in covers if anyone is concerned. If anyone can recommend some good ones, that would be appreciated.
  • My goodness they use everything to scare new parents now ... I'm hate all that matchy matchy baby linen junk anyway but people the baby doesn't move around for a while and they have safe "placeholder" things to keep baby in the middle .... Besides just get a SIDS monitor and there you have piece of mind .... If your baby stops breathing for 20secs a huge alarm will set off and your little butt will be in there before you even realize what happened ....
    With all this scaring parents it will only be a matter of time where they say no mattress or sheet and forget the crib altogether you must buy this 7000$ contraption if you really love your baby and only then will you be a good parent ... Lol oh boy
  • We used th mesh bumpers as well once we moved DS to crib which was around 7-8 months. His legs and arms were getting caught in the slacks, the mesh are breathable, not pretty tho
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  • We also used the breathable bumper until she started to stand (and there was a risk of her trying to climb it).  It was great.  I have heard zero risks of it and plan to use it again.  For us, it kept the round pacifiers from rolling out at night.  

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  • Atlast111 said:

    HBamama2B said:

    @augbride87 they've been not recommended for at least ten years I believe. Companies still sell them, but they should never be used with an infant. It's more for looks/toddler era. As unappealing aesthetically as it is to most, the best option for the first 6mths (minimum) is a tightly fitted crib sheet with no pillows or stuffed toys. This has helped reduce SIDS rates significantly. :) parents can fancy up the nursery with wall decals or shadow boxes behind the crib and mobiles over it in the meantime. (I personally love the sleek look of just the nicely patterned or pretty shade sheet)

    Very true! I think they also recommend the zip up baby sleeping bags as a way of preventing baby getting caught in covers if anyone is concerned. If anyone can recommend some good ones, that would be appreciated.
    We use the halo sleep sack & love it. I probably didn't start using it until about 6 months when we ditched the swaddle and swaddle transistion. Now he's almost 13 months and still in the halo blanket. The goal is to keep him in at as long as possible and hope it contains any desire to climb out of his crib.

    I put the mesh bumper on the crib around 6 months too. Mostly because is pacifiers were falling through the cracks and it made things easier. Once they can roll over and all that, the risk of suffocation goes way way down.
  • I've always thought bumpers were ugly so never considered using them anyways - but yes, I've been advised against using them for years now. Like PP said - SIDS monitors are often times unreliable and I feel like it would make me worry more - I'd be constantly listening for it. We have a mattress and a sheet - basic stuff.


  • Going off on a slight tangent. I have always been very anti pacifiers until a new study came out showing that pacifiers when used for sleeping only and only for the first 6-12 months reduce SIDS. This is pretty interesting stuff! I am now converted but our baby will not be keeping a dummy longer than 6-12 months as SIDS starts to drop after this period and I don't want to have to deal with a dummy dependency! Plus teeth come through later.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pacifier-greatly-reduces/&ved=0ahUKEwiQ4ePO6avJAhUCghoKHVmoCOMQFggnMAM&usg=AFQjCNFU14hmUxrHEhlGqD_5SGsbks3big
  • Bear14+ said:

    Atlast111 said:

    HBamama2B said:

    @augbride87 they've been not recommended for at least ten years I believe. Companies still sell them, but they should never be used with an infant. It's more for looks/toddler era. As unappealing aesthetically as it is to most, the best option for the first 6mths (minimum) is a tightly fitted crib sheet with no pillows or stuffed toys. This has helped reduce SIDS rates significantly. :) parents can fancy up the nursery with wall decals or shadow boxes behind the crib and mobiles over it in the meantime. (I personally love the sleek look of just the nicely patterned or pretty shade sheet)

    Very true! I think they also recommend the zip up baby sleeping bags as a way of preventing baby getting caught in covers if anyone is concerned. If anyone can recommend some good ones, that would be appreciated.
    We use the halo sleep sack & love it. I probably didn't start using it until about 6 months when we ditched the swaddle and swaddle transistion. Now he's almost 13 months and still in the halo blanket. The goal is to keep him in at as long as possible and hope it contains any desire to climb out of his crib.

    I put the mesh bumper on the crib around 6 months too. Mostly because is pacifiers were falling through the cracks and it made things easier. Once they can roll over and all that, the risk of suffocation goes way way down.
    Thanks! I will have a look. :smile:
  • I've never used bumpers. They have been earning against them for years, and I never saw the point in them anyway.
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  • Atlast111 said:
    Going off on a slight tangent. I have always been very anti pacifiers until a new study came out showing that pacifiers when used for sleeping only and only for the first 6-12 months reduce SIDS. This is pretty interesting stuff! I am now converted but our baby will not be keeping a dummy longer than 6-12 months as SIDS starts to drop after this period and I don't want to have to deal with a dummy dependency! Plus teeth come through later. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pacifier-greatly-reduces/&ved=0ahUKEwiQ4ePO6avJAhUCghoKHVmoCOMQFggnMAM&usg=AFQjCNFU14hmUxrHEhlGqD_5SGsbks3big
    Pacifiers are THE BEST. Both my kids used them and both were done with them before six months. They just stopped wanting anything to do with them. But they were lifesavers.
  • chloe97chloe97 member
    edited November 2015
    Yes- please don't use ANY bumper. The AAP officially recommended removing all bumpers in their 2011 Safe Sleep policy statement. They are banned in Chicago and Maryland, other states are considering banning them and proposals to ban the sale are being floated at the federal level as well. This includes the breathable mesh bumpers. 

    For more information about safe sleep practices visit https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/baby/sleep/Pages/A-Parents-Guide-to-Safe-Sleep.aspx
  • LilwatzLilwatz member
    edited November 2015
    chloe97 said:
    Yes- please don't use ANY bumper. The AAP officially recommended removing all bumpers in their 2011 Safe Sleep policy statement. They are banned in Chicago and Maryland, other states are considering banning them and proposals to ban the sale are being floated at the federal level as well. This includes the breathable mesh bumpers. 

    For more information about safe sleep practices visit https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/baby/sleep/Pages/A-Parents-Guide-to-Safe-Sleep.aspx
    That link goes to an error page for me.  I would love to see somewhere reputable that says breathable mesh bumpers are never ok because I have never heard that.  But that link is not working for me.

    ETA: you should remove the period at the end of that sentence.  It works then.  And does not reference breathable bumpers.

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  • Lilwatz said:


    chloe97 said:

    Yes- please don't use ANY bumper. The AAP officially recommended removing all bumpers in their 2011 Safe Sleep policy statement. They are banned in Chicago and Maryland, other states are considering banning them and proposals to ban the sale are being floated at the federal level as well. This includes the breathable mesh bumpers. 

    For more information about safe sleep practices visit https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/baby/sleep/Pages/A-Parents-Guide-to-Safe-Sleep.aspx

    That link goes to an error page for me.  I would love to see somewhere reputable that says breathable mesh bumpers are never ok because I have never heard that.  But that link is not working for me.

    ETA: you should remove the period at the end of that sentence.  It works then.  And does not reference breathable bumpers.


    This mentions mesh at the bottom of the article. Hope this helps! You are right they are safer than conventional bumpers but there is still a small risk of tangling I think.

    https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/18/health/no-bumpers-cribs-sids-parenting/&ved=0ahUKEwjX55n18avJAhUF0RQKHXtFCI4QFggkMAA&usg=AFQjCNE8hXxvnPvNlRjko-1iJ_ay1-MS_w
  • Atlast111 said:
    chloe97 said:
    Yes- please don't use ANY bumper. The AAP officially recommended removing all bumpers in their 2011 Safe Sleep policy statement. They are banned in Chicago and Maryland, other states are considering banning them and proposals to ban the sale are being floated at the federal level as well. This includes the breathable mesh bumpers. 

    For more information about safe sleep practices visit https://www.healthychildren.org/English/ages-stages/baby/sleep/Pages/A-Parents-Guide-to-Safe-Sleep.aspx
    That link goes to an error page for me.  I would love to see somewhere reputable that says breathable mesh bumpers are never ok because I have never heard that.  But that link is not working for me.

    ETA: you should remove the period at the end of that sentence.  It works then.  And does not reference breathable bumpers.
    This mentions mesh at the bottom of the article. Hope this helps! You are right they are safer than conventional bumpers but there is still a small risk of tangling I think. https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.cnn.com/2011/10/18/health/no-bumpers-cribs-sids-parenting/&ved=0ahUKEwjX55n18avJAhUF0RQKHXtFCI4QFggkMAA&usg=AFQjCNE8hXxvnPvNlRjko-1iJ_ay1-MS_w
    That's an article about the AAP recommendation.  I'd like to see the actual recommendation.  I will say the reason is "Why not not use them?"  I'd like to see the actual risk.  My pediatrician said they were perfectly safe, so until I see something compelling, I will continue to use them.  Which is a bit surprising to me because my husband and I are very risk-adverse and err on the side of safety in 99% of situations.  I have yet to see a real risk with the breathable mesh bumpers.

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  • Honestly with all the necessary things and cute crap I need to buy, I'm glad to have one thing taken off the list. I'm a ftm but I've heard no bumpers for years. I think mesh bumpers would be a personal choice once your baby's a bit older. Most moms that I trust have chosen not to have those though, so I'm assuming I won't either.
  • Here's what I can find:

    1) an article on AAP saying they made new recommendations: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    2) the actual technical report the article was discussing from the AAP: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    I am not trying to belittle the risk.  I just want to know what it actually is, if there is one.  There are MANY internet returns when you search of random websites, like parenting, etc that say the AAP recommended against them.  I just cannot find anywhere the AAP says that.  

    I also think we can all agree, traditional bumpers are not safe.

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  • Atlast111Atlast111 member
    edited November 2015
    https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/10/12/peds.2011-2285.full.pdf+html

    If you download the full AAP report this covers the use of mesh bumpers. It is a very long article. Page 12 states that they do not recommend the use of any type of bumper at all. :smile:
  • Atlast111 said:
    https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/10/12/peds.2011-2285.full.pdf+html If you download the full AAP report this covers the use of mesh bumpers. It is a very long article. Page 12 states that they do not recommend the use of any type of bumper at all. :smile:
    So I did.  That was my second link.  And from what I can see it calls out "soft, pillowlike bumper pads"  I am missing the any bumper pads at all.  Quote?

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  • Lilwatz said:


    Atlast111 said:

    https://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2011/10/12/peds.2011-2285.full.pdf+html

    If you download the full AAP report this covers the use of mesh bumpers. It is a very long article. Page 12 states that they do not recommend the use of any type of bumper at all. :smile:

    So I did.  That was my second link.  And from what I can see it calls out "soft, pillowlike bumper pads"  I am missing the any bumper pads at all.  Quote?

    Sorry. I'm unable to pull up a quote from a pdf. It definitely says in the paragraph to not use any type of bumper.
  • Atlast111Atlast111 member
    edited November 2015
    This is another interesting article on dangerous products. There are a few on here that are news to me! Certain slings, Bumbo seats and crib tents are on the hit list...lol.
    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/13-dangerous-baby-products-to-avoid/index.htm
  • Yeah, that's fair.  Based on the article I do not see an actual risk.  The ties on the breathable mesh bumper we have (from Target) are on the outside in the middle.  There is literally no way a baby could get wrapped up in them.  As for the "firm" bumper risk of a baby getting stuck between it and the bumper, I don't see how that is different from the hard, wooden crib slats.  

    Definitely every parent's call.  Not compelling enough for me for the benefit of my kid sleeping through the night because her pacifiers have not rolled out.  Me not getting sleep and caring for her is a bigger risk in my book. :)

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  • Atlast111 said:

    This is another interesting article on dangerous products. There are a few on here that are news to me! Certain slings, Bumbo seats and crib tents are on the hit list...lol.
    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/13-dangerous-baby-products-to-avoid/index.htm

    I have a friend whose baby got a concussion from falling over in the bumbo. She was right next to him and everything, just couldn't catch him in time. Apparently he put his hands up and it took him off balance for a second. I couldn't believe it when my other friend out up a pic of her new baby in the bumbo after that experience!
  • Lilwatz said:
    Here's what I can find:

    1) an article on AAP saying they made new recommendations: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    2) the actual technical report the article was discussing from the AAP: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    I am not trying to belittle the risk.  I just want to know what it actually is, if there is one.  There are MANY internet returns when you search of random websites, like parenting, etc that say the AAP recommended against them.  I just cannot find anywhere the AAP says that.  

    I also think we can all agree, traditional bumpers are not safe.

    I removed the period, and the link should work. 

    HealthyChildren.com is the AAP parent education website. This Parents article talks about pediatricians not recommending mesh bumpers https://www.parenting.com/article/sids-prevention cites Rachel Moon, MD, FAAP who actually wrote the Safe Sleep statement, so I would trust her opinion.  

    From what I have been told from my colleagues at the AAP, mesh bumpers are a relatively new type of product, so there is not enough evidence to formally evaluate the suffocation/strangulation risk versus traditional bumpers. These AAP statements take years and years to write based on research that can take years to gather and new products come on the market in the meantime, so just because the AAP doesn't say anything about a new product doesn't mean it's safe. 

     
    If you have questions about mesh bumpers or any products that aren't mentioned by the AAP statements, talk to your own pediatrician during your prenatal visit, but in the meantime we can accept Dr Moon's word as official AAP word on the mesh bumpers.  
  • Lilwatz said:

    Yeah, that's fair.  Based on the article I do not see an actual risk.  The ties on the breathable mesh bumper we have (from Target) are on the outside in the middle.  There is literally no way a baby could get wrapped up in them.  As for the "firm" bumper risk of a baby getting stuck between it and the bumper, I don't see how that is different from the hard, wooden crib slats.  


    Definitely every parent's call.  Not compelling enough for me for the benefit of my kid sleeping through the night because her pacifiers have not rolled out.  Me not getting sleep and caring for her is a bigger risk in my book. :)
    That's completely understandable if she is waking up without her pacifier! I totally get that.
  • Linsbins said:

    Atlast111 said:

    This is another interesting article on dangerous products. There are a few on here that are news to me! Certain slings, Bumbo seats and crib tents are on the hit list...lol.
    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/13-dangerous-baby-products-to-avoid/index.htm

    I have a friend whose baby got a concussion from falling over in the bumbo. She was right next to him and everything, just couldn't catch him in time. Apparently he put his hands up and it took him off balance for a second. I couldn't believe it when my other friend out up a pic of her new baby in the bumbo after that experience!
    Scary! They have been linked to skull fractures where people have put the baby on the counter top and they fell out! :-(
  • LilwatzLilwatz member
    edited November 2015
    chloe97 said:
    Lilwatz said:
    Here's what I can find:

    1) an article on AAP saying they made new recommendations: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    2) the actual technical report the article was discussing from the AAP: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    I am not trying to belittle the risk.  I just want to know what it actually is, if there is one.  There are MANY internet returns when you search of random websites, like parenting, etc that say the AAP recommended against them.  I just cannot find anywhere the AAP says that.  

    I also think we can all agree, traditional bumpers are not safe.

    I removed the period, and the link should work. 

    HealthyChildren.com is the AAP parent education website. This Parents article talks about pediatricians not recommending mesh bumpers https://www.parenting.com/article/sids-prevention cites Rachel Moon, MD, FAAP who actually wrote the Safe Sleep statement, so I would trust her opinion.  

    From what I have been told from my colleagues at the AAP, mesh bumpers are a relatively new type of product, so there is not enough evidence to formally evaluate the suffocation/strangulation risk versus traditional bumpers. These AAP statements take years and years to write based on research that can take years to gather and new products come on the market in the meantime, so just because the AAP doesn't say anything about a new product doesn't mean it's safe. 

     
    If you have questions about mesh bumpers or any products that aren't mentioned by the AAP statements, talk to your own pediatrician during your prenatal visit, but in the meantime we can accept Dr Moon's word as official AAP word on the mesh bumpers.  
    Thanks!  Seriously, not trying to be nitpicky.  There is just SO MUCH on the internet I like to be sure what I follow comes from reputable sources and I confirm with my pediatrician (who did say they were safe).  That AAP based article did not mention the breathable mesh bumpers.  I just checked again.  The other link is to parenting, talking about an AAP recommendation--which I still cannot find specifically calling out mesh.  I do see your point on them being too new.  I get that for sure.

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  • Lilwatz said:


    chloe97 said:


    Lilwatz said:

    Here's what I can find:

    1) an article on AAP saying they made new recommendations: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    2) the actual technical report the article was discussing from the AAP: does not mention breathable mesh bumpers

    I am not trying to belittle the risk.  I just want to know what it actually is, if there is one.  There are MANY internet returns when you search of random websites, like parenting, etc that say the AAP recommended against them.  I just cannot find anywhere the AAP says that.  

    I also think we can all agree, traditional bumpers are not safe.


    I removed the period, and the link should work. 

    HealthyChildren.com is the AAP parent education website. This Parents article talks about pediatricians not recommending mesh bumpers https://www.parenting.com/article/sids-prevention cites Rachel Moon, MD, FAAP who actually wrote the Safe Sleep statement, so I would trust her opinion.  

    From what I have been told from my colleagues at the AAP, mesh bumpers are a relatively new type of product, so there is not enough evidence to formally evaluate the suffocation/strangulation risk versus traditional bumpers. These AAP statements take years and years to write based on research that can take years to gather and new products come on the market in the meantime, so just because the AAP doesn't say anything about a new product doesn't mean it's safe. 

     
    If you have questions about mesh bumpers or any products that aren't mentioned by the AAP statements, talk to your own pediatrician during your prenatal visit, but in the meantime we can accept Dr Moon's word as official AAP word on the mesh bumpers.  

    Thanks!  Seriously, not trying to be nitpicky.  There is just SO MUCH on the internet I like to be sure what I follow comes from reputable sources and I confirm with my pediatrician (who did say they were safe).  That AAP based article did not mention the breathable mesh bumpers.  I just checked again.  The other link is to parenting, talking about an AAP recommendation--which I still cannot find specifically calling out mesh.  I do see your point on them being too new.  I get that for sure.

    It's hard being responsible for another human....sigh. Every decision you make becomes so much more complicated. If anyone asks me if I need anything for the baby, I will say "bubble wrap, please".....oh wait that's a suffocation risk...... :P I guess we can only do our best, these babies are going to get bumps and bruises along the way!
  • CourtJack said:


    Atlast111 said:

    Linsbins said:

    Atlast111 said:

    This is another interesting article on dangerous products. There are a few on here that are news to me! Certain slings, Bumbo seats and crib tents are on the hit list...lol.
    https://www.consumerreports.org/cro/2012/05/13-dangerous-baby-products-to-avoid/index.htm

    I have a friend whose baby got a concussion from falling over in the bumbo. She was right next to him and everything, just couldn't catch him in time. Apparently he put his hands up and it took him off balance for a second. I couldn't believe it when my other friend out up a pic of her new baby in the bumbo after that experience!
    Scary! They have been linked to skull fractures where people have put the baby on the counter top and they fell out! :-(

    Bumbos aren't supposed to be placed on countertops.


    I know right! What a bloody stupid place to put one!
  • @Atlast111 - I know! anything can be dangerous if you put a baby in it, then put IT on a countertop.

    In any case, my babies were always too chubby to fit in bumbos so we haven't used them. :D

  • CourtJack said:

    @Atlast111 - I know! anything can be dangerous if you put a baby in it, then put IT on a countertop.

    In any case, my babies were always too chubby to fit in bumbos so we haven't used them. :D

    True. It's not the manufacturers fault if people do stupid things with their products. It's the same with the tie slings, people don't tie them properly and baby falls out. I'm going for an idiot proof structured one!
  • CourtJack said:

    @Atlast111 - I know! anything can be dangerous if you put a baby in it, then put IT on a countertop.

    In any case, my babies were always too chubby to fit in bumbos so we haven't used them. :D

    It reminds me of the people putting the car baby seats on top of the car, forgetting and driving off!
  • My friend's baby was on the floor. Pretty sure it was tile. Either way I'm soured on the bumbo now.
  • Linsbins said:

    My friend's baby was on the floor. Pretty sure it was tile. Either way I'm soured on the bumbo now.

    Oh @Linsbins. I didn't think for one second that your friend had put the little one on the counter! They are definitely able to topple out on the floor! Tile is pretty painful! I think I will be sticking to a regular bouncer.
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