June 2015 Moms

Nighttime still sucks........

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  • ^^^^I have the same thought nightly but haven't done it. He has gotten rice cereal and sweet potatoes and that's not making a difference.
  • KaLikeAWindKaLikeAWind member
    edited November 2015
    Well, ladies ( @amccoy129 @lovethatcolosun ) my LO has been mostly formula for a long time and he's backsliding in the sleep department pretty good. If you try it, I hope it works for you. But its not preventing my guy from losing his sleep shit the past few days

    I hope you guys with your not good sleeping babies get some sleep soon. Despite our recent setbacks here, y'all still have it worse than me

    ETA - is there is a 5m sleep regression? Or maybe I'm getting the 4m one late? Or, maybe its the relationships leap. Gah, I dunno
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  • @mellymar my LO slept great from 2-4 months. The combo of the four month sleep regression and transitioning from the rock n play did us in. Not sure what his deal is now. He just seems to struggle to get comfortable. And now we've entered the next leap....
  • @lovethatcolosun LO always gets a bottle before bed because if she gets a bottle, she'll eat 7 oz. If I nurse her, she falls asleep before eating that much (I assume) so she's up in the MOTN hungry. She'll sleep through the night or at least until 4 am if she gets 7 oz.
  • Sammy K said:

    @lovethatcolosun LO always gets a bottle before bed because if she gets a bottle, she'll eat 7 oz. If I nurse her, she falls asleep before eating that much (I assume) so she's up in the MOTN hungry. She'll sleep through the night or at least until 4 am if she gets 7 oz.

    That's it!!!!! I'm committed to getting LO to use a bottle!! I'll use sugar water on the nipple if I have to! I MUST get some sleep.
  • Sammy K said:

    @lovethatcolosun LO always gets a bottle before bed because if she gets a bottle, she'll eat 7 oz. If I nurse her, she falls asleep before eating that much (I assume) so she's up in the MOTN hungry. She'll sleep through the night or at least until 4 am if she gets 7 oz.

    That's it!!!!! I'm committed to getting LO to use a bottle!! I'll use sugar water on the nipple if I have to! I MUST get some sleep.
    Have you decided not to sleep train? I keep acting like I'm going to do it, but then after the first5 minute interval, LO is crying so hard that I cry, too, and I scoop him up and apologize and vow not to do it again. Three days in a row of this. Ugh.

    Just wondering why you're at the end of your rope and not trying it, because I can maybe relate...
  • Back in the olden days, LO would sleep 9pm - 7am, waking up once at 3am to be fed. It was glorious.

    2-3 weeks ago he started waking up at 2am and 5am.

    For the past few nights he's been waking every 90 minutes. Last night was almost every hour.

    He's 20 weeks, has 2 bottom teeth up through the gums, and has never really slept much during the day.

    I'm at my wit's end. Is it a growth spurt? Is it teething? I'm up to go to work at 6:30am weekdays and 5:45am weekends and I can't do this anymore. When he wakes I stick him on the boob, he eats some and goes back to sleep (DH changes him after I nurse). I know it's probably bad to nurse him to sleep but I cannot function at all like this. I'm just trying to get him back to sleep ASAP so I can sleep an hour or two as well. If I knew why he was waking I feel like I could fix it but we don't know.

    A day care director friend suggested rice cereal before bed, saying maybe he's just not full like he used to be. So I bought some but haven't tried it yet because I have been really committed to EBF til 6 months. After last night though, I will do anything.

    What should I do? Am I creating a bad behavior by feeding him so he goes to sleep? It stops him crying, so does that mean he was hungry?

    I'm so sleep deprived I stood in the elevator this morning for a full 3 minutes before realizing it wasn't moving because I never pushed to button to go up to my floor. It's like that.
  • ^^^^ Mine has had rice cereal, sweet potatoes, and we introduced peas yesterday. Other than that he's only had breast milk. He likes it but none of it has helped him sleep.

    I too nurse him back to sleep and the past two nights he's slept in our bed. Great solution, no, but I did get sleep. So sorry, hope you get sleep soon!
  • klirwin82 said:

    Back in the olden days, LO would sleep 9pm - 7am, waking up once at 3am to be fed. It was glorious.

    2-3 weeks ago he started waking up at 2am and 5am.

    For the past few nights he's been waking every 90 minutes. Last night was almost every hour.

    He's 20 weeks, has 2 bottom teeth up through the gums, and has never really slept much during the day.

    I'm at my wit's end. Is it a growth spurt? Is it teething? I'm up to go to work at 6:30am weekdays and 5:45am weekends and I can't do this anymore. When he wakes I stick him on the boob, he eats some and goes back to sleep (DH changes him after I nurse). I know it's probably bad to nurse him to sleep but I cannot function at all like this. I'm just trying to get him back to sleep ASAP so I can sleep an hour or two as well. If I knew why he was waking I feel like I could fix it but we don't know.

    A day care director friend suggested rice cereal before bed, saying maybe he's just not full like he used to be. So I bought some but haven't tried it yet because I have been really committed to EBF til 6 months. After last night though, I will do anything.

    What should I do? Am I creating a bad behavior by feeding him so he goes to sleep? It stops him crying, so does that mean he was hungry?

    I'm so sleep deprived I stood in the elevator this morning for a full 3 minutes before realizing it wasn't moving because I never pushed to button to go up to my floor. It's like that.

    I'm sorry, I wish I had the answers. I've struggled with this for a while and have decided there are essentially two schools of thought:

    1) Dr Sears' Sleep Book basically says your baby needs you, needs to eat if that's what they're demanding, and tells you to let go of the guilt about feeding to sleep. No child ever didn't grow out of nursing to sleep.

    2) Dr Ferber says of course you're tired and resentful. Baby can and should be sleeping. And he has a method to sleep train, which a lot of parents and women on here have reported success with.

    I tend to lean towards option 1, but that's because I'm of the mind that filling LO's belly for the sake of feeling full, vs providing nutrition, is not what I want to do, personally. Also, I am also committed to 6 months of EBF.

    If you're at wits end, consider sleep training. If you don't want to do that, don't worry about feeding to sleep. It's a natural thing to do, it works because breast milk is made to make baby be sleepy, and any parenting decision is fine if it works for mama and for baby. If nursing back to sleep works for both of you, why not?!

    Hang in there, lady. Whatever you decide, is right. I've found I do better if I feel like I am actively deciding to let baby demands lead things - OR decide to intervene somehow (eg, asking DH to console baby). I feel the worst when I remain indecisive, because I feel out of control and powerless.

    Sleep deprivation sucks a fattie. I hope it's just a phase or a growth spurt, and you and baby get some good sleep soon. Big hugs
  • @virginiaunicorn11 plain and simple I'm feeling too exhausted to sleep train properly. Oh the irony!!! Also I don't know how much LO eats during the day because she ebf. (Yes I know there's the scale technique.) I have this irrational fear that she's not getting enough during the day so she still nurses at night. I have tried on a number of occasions to just console her when she wakes up crying, but she always moves toward the boob like, "dammit woman you know what I want!!! Give me some milk!!" I try to find a good time to pump, but this girl eats every 2-3 hours. Even through the night!! I start work (for the holidays) next week and I don't have anything stashed. The good news is the bakery is only 8 minutes from the house so she could come and nurse a couple of times a day if needed. I plan on taking my lunch at home so I can put her down for her big nap. Anyway...back to the point. I basically suck at sleep training. I have a million excuses of why I don't do it each night, but honestly I know giving her a snack in the MOTN will get her back to sleep. It's "easy" yet draining on me. I mentioned all of my issues with BFing to the doc and he was like, "yep! That's the curse of breastfeeding" great thanks for the help. He gave me tips for ST and it's nothing I haven't heard on here. The thought of have a few really crappy nights of crying just freaks me out. I've been trying to get her to take the bottle so I can get a break, but it hasn't worked since I stopped formula back in August. I was all excited because I bought the $30 bottle that looks like a boob and she still could care less. I really want to enlist DH for help, but he's been super stressed and cranky so I don't think I would do well watching him try to help with a short temper. See...a million excuses.
  • @klirwin82 I don't think there is anything wrong with nursing baby to sleep. There is a good discussion in Feeding LO November about this too. Personally I'd rather nurse LO at night than worry about her being hungry so for me I don't mind it. I'm lucky in some ways bc my LO nurses almost to sleep, usually not all the way. She pops right off when she's had enough. Sometimes I try to nurse her & she turns away & keeps screaming so I know she's not hungry. She ends up sleeping in bed with me part of night most nights & while it's not the best sleep it's more sleep than when I have to keep getting up out of bed repeatedly. I try to get her back to sleep in her crib but if it's a particularly rough night for either of us I have no problem bringing her to bed with me. Sometimes when we do this she wakes & I'm able to soothe her with cuddles or pacifier before she fully wakes. Or I can nurse her without fully waking up myself. I second Dr. Sears' book & after reading it I stopped worrying so much about what's "good" & what's "bad" as long as you are taking care of LO & trusting your gut I don't think you can go wrong.
  • KaLikeAWindKaLikeAWind member
    edited November 2015
    Edited, Ugh, you must click on it to see the whole thing. The thumbnail has letters cut off, sorry
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  • mindaamindaa member
    edited November 2015
    @virginiaunicorn11
    I've been doing the same thing! And feeling all sorts of guilt both for letting LO cry and because I know that being non committal is the worst thing I can do :(
    We talk about it all the time but haven't been able to figure out a plan and good timing. Didn't seem right during the regression, then as soon as that started to pass, we started travelling all over. I also think we're just waiting and hoping it just gets better without intervention. And we have seen 5-8 hour stretches from him, which give us hope. It definitely feels like one step forward two steps back.

    @lovethatcolosun , I'm in the same boat about not wanting him to miss a feeding (I ebf). A lingering effect of him being slow weight gain in the beginning, though irrational as he's totally healthy now and gets in his 10 feeds even on nights when he sleeps longer stretches.

    @Sammy K , thanks for sharing your experience, all success stories help me get the nerve up.

    @mellymar For us the regression started at about 20-21 weeks and lasted about 2-3 weeks.
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  • Kicking it here at my sister's house. Up 9 times to nurse last night and still up for the day before 6. Vacations with babies, man.
  • ^^^^ sounds like kicking it is real relaxing ....... Boo.
  • My "pretty good" sleeper is gone. LO was up like every 30 minutes last night. It was miserable. Absolutely miserable. I'm blaming Leap 5.
  • aj1327aj1327 member
    edited November 2015
    @lovethatcolosun I'm right there with everything you typed above!

    ETA: maybe your DH could get one of those fake boobs like in Meet the Fockers. Lol. Just kidding. Unless it might work. Then I'm totally serious! Haha
  • Hi ladies! I'm just catching up on some of the posts! I'm in the same boat. So LO was sick with the cold and the croup for a few days and this momma spoiled him rotten and gave into co-sleeping, something I told myself is never do. So this little guy refuses the crib now. Trying tonight again! I'm tired, just tired!

    I hope everyone does better tonight! @mellymar @ChardeeMacDennis daaaang hang in there!
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  • ^^^ we've been out of town for a week and LO has slept wherever he wants-- in our bed, on daddy's chest--as long as he'll actually sleep.
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    Married in 2006, TTC #1 since Jan 2012

    Baby Boy born June 1, 2015

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    And the peace of God, which surpasses all understand, will guard your heart and mind in Jesus Christ (Philippians 4:7)

  • When Lo has a fussy day at daycare, they always tell me to bring more milk- they say she gets jealous when the other babies are feeding. On the weekends, she waits to eat every 3 hours without protest. While I think they always say babies are hungry bc they don't have the man power to calm every kid down at once, would a good indicator for me knowing she's getting enough to eat is she's sleeping through the night? I'm starting to get annoyed of them telling me "momma she gets upset when the others are eating"
  • First night of sleep training tonight...I'm nervous!
  • slr1229 said:

    When Lo has a fussy day at daycare, they always tell me to bring more milk- they say she gets jealous when the other babies are feeding. On the weekends, she waits to eat every 3 hours without protest. While I think they always say babies are hungry bc they don't have the man power to calm every kid down at once, would a good indicator for me knowing she's getting enough to eat is she's sleeping through the night? I'm starting to get annoyed of them telling me "momma she gets upset when the others are eating"

    I think sleeping through the night can be a good indicator, as well as good weight gain, and seeming satisfied after feedings. Obviously, babies get fussy for reasons other than hunger. Overall, I think you know your baby best and can take their comments/advice with a grain of salt if she seems satisfied with feedings every 3h while at home. Maybe she is just "jealous" of other babies being fed because they are also being held during those times? Good luck!
  • @slr1229 I disagree with above poster about STTN as an indicator for getting enough food. 1) this would imply that our mamas whose babies do not STTN do not feed their kid enough during the day, and we all know that's not true. And 2) my baby has been a very good sleeper for a while now, but we struggle with weight gain, and the pedi has asked us to try to increase the amounts he eats per day, so apparently he is NOT getting enough to eat, tho he (usually) STTN and does not seem hungry at other times throughout the day. I have to feed on a pretty strict schedule to make sure he gets the ounces the pedi wants him to have per day.
    And actually, just this past week we've taken some setbacks in the sleeping department, while at the same time, he is actually eating much more than he was two weeks ago. So I don't think STTN is a correlation to being fed enough, no. Not at all.
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  • slr1229 said:
    When Lo has a fussy day at daycare, they always tell me to bring more milk- they say she gets jealous when the other babies are feeding. On the weekends, she waits to eat every 3 hours without protest. While I think they always say babies are hungry bc they don't have the man power to calm every kid down at once, would a good indicator for me knowing she's getting enough to eat is she's sleeping through the night? I'm starting to get annoyed of them telling me "momma she gets upset when the others are eating"

    When you're at home and she's going 3 hours without protest, are you nursing her or bottle feeding?  I wonder if maybe (assuming you're nursing her) she might be getting more out of your boobs than you put in each bottle, so she's able to stay full longer?  I always wonder this myself - i send bottles to daycare but nurse when i'm home on weekends, and i really have no clue how much she's taking in all weekend long.  but her night sleep schedule is basically the same as it is during the week, so i don't think she's eating fewer calories on weekends, even though she eats every 2-3 hours insted of every 1.5-2 (which is when she eats at daycare).  We send 4oz bottles to daycare.

     

    So maybe you shouldn't send more bottles, but rather more oz in each bottle to daycare?  Or it could easily just be that LO wants attention and to be held, and when the other babies are being fed there's no one to hold her.  I have noticed that the days that LO naps poorly (and is therefore awake more and fussier at daycare) they tend to give her more to eat.  I think the thinking when a baby is fussy is "is she wet?  No?  Better feed her."  They aren't going to stick them in a crib and let them cry for 5 minutes until they fall asleep (which is what we do at home when we know the fussiness is sleep related rather than food/diaper related - and she rarely protests for more than 3-5 minutes before passing out).

     

    Yesterday LO napped a grand total of 75 minutes between the time she got up in the morning (an hour early due to a faulty smoke detector, OBVIOUSLY THE ONE IN HER NURSERY, WHY WOULD IT BE ANY OTHER ONE) and when i picked her up.  She screamed the whole way home, the whole time i was changing after work, the whole time i changed her, until i put her on the boob, at which point she ate for 5 minutes and promptly passed out.  I let her sleep for 30 minutes but then had to wake her up so it wouldn't affect bedtime too much.  Sometimes i want to tell the daycare ladies "look, i get that her crying is disruptive, but if she's been awake for more than 2 hours and probably isn't hungry yet, just put her in the crib for 5 minutes and see how it goes."  i bet she'd nap more.

  • @mellymar to clarify, I said it CAN be a good indicator, but there are other things to look for too. You are absolutely correct, I certainly did not mean to imply that all babies who STTN are eating enough or vice versa. Our LO is also a good sleeper, but a peanut!

    Ps phone kept wanting to autocorrect vice versa to vice Versace.
  • Appreciate the feedback. She's definitely not lacking in the weight gain department and is a very happy baby- I think she gets jealous of the other babies- I call it "fomo": fear of missing out. She never wants to miss out on anything. We'll see!
  • Sorry all you ladies are still going through this sleep deprivation! I know there was a discussion about this a few weeks ago about how frequently baby was bathed. I really think a warm bath every night really helps LO sttn and helps with sleep training as it makes my little guy tired afterwards! I lather him up with lavender lotion after, give him a bottle, read a book and put him in his crib and he falls asleep within minutes on his own. Worth a try to add a bath into the nightly schedule if not already! Nighttime diapers are a savior too!!!
  • At least you lovely ladies are good natured about the lack of sleep! I love it. Not the lack of sleep, but the sarcastic wit! Makes for a good read at 4:30am
  • aj1327aj1327 member
    edited November 2015
    @klkonwi we tried rice cereal too. Nope. Didn't work for us.
  • Right there with you. Shoot me.
  • Either my baby is a late bloomer in the four month sleep regression or she didn't get the memo that she's five months old now. We're just about to start another leap too. Sweet baby Jesus please let LO find a good sleeping pattern soon. I'm over co sleeping, but it's the only way I get more than one to two hour stretches or sleep in my bed. I've woken up at least once a night in my rocking chair unsure of how long we've been asleep. Tonight I may just turn off the monitor and wait for her big cries to wake me up. I always feel so guilty when I accidentally do this so I doubt I could do it on purpose. What I wouldn't give for even a six hour stretch...we haven't had one of those since 10 weeks.
  • I just re-read some Dr. Sears. He can't get you more sleep, but always makes me feel better about nights and lack of sleep.

    @lovethatcolosun Hang in there, lady. Hope you give yourself permission to co-sleep for a while if that works the best for you and LO right now. I have been letting my guy cry way more than I used to, and he is waking up in the mornings happier than ever. So if you need to let baby cry a bit for your own sanity, it's ok. The fear mongering about crying babies doesn't impact them on such a short-term, I'm realizing. I was about to crack, so I've been slow to get up between the hours of 1:00-5:00.
  • LO is an awful sleeper. He just is. That's life.
    That being said, he goes to sleep fine if you get him ready the second he rubs his eyes (between 630 and 7). DH got it into his head that bedtime was 730 and kept LO up, even as I was nursing him and rocking him trying to get him to chill out. So, LO screamed for a solid hour before even calming down enough to eat. He's not going to sleep tonight, I already know that much. Ugh.
    Just.
    Ugh.

    He's lucky that he's so damn cute.
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