OP, among other things the major flaw with this is that your "study" is not from a scientific or educational journal. It's random women reporting their results and is not verified by experts, nor is it peer-reviewed. It's a collection of self-reporting, which among other things, doesn't separate causation from correlation.
And, as others have said, all people mean is that if you're not turning a positive test you can't confirm a pregnancy, thus you're not pregnant at this time.
Symptom spotting is also about correlation, not causation so we don't want to encourage it. I don't understand why you seem so resistant to that.
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
Me: 25 DH: 28
Hubby's little boy - my wonderful step-son - born 5/23/10
BFP#1: 06/2010...my beautiful baby girl born 3/7/2011
BFP #2: 10/24/15...mc on 10/31/15
BFP #3: 11/27/15. EDD 8/6/16
"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." -Winston Churchill
I'll say it this way. The run of the mill person who stops by here, not including those who are established and those who know what they're doing, don't need the confusion of talking about hormones building up to a positive. Most are drive bys who "missed their period" by a day and aren't even just testing early, they really are just not pregnant.
Me: 30 DH: 32 ~~ TTC #1: Sep 2015 ~~ BFP: Mar 2016 ~~ Daughter: Nov 2016 TTC #2: April 2018 ~~ BFP: May 2018 ~~ EDD: January 2019
But really, @1faceinacrowd, what was your point in posting this? What do you think we should be saying to people who ask if we think they're pregnant or not?
If someone comes on this page and asks if they're pregnant or not, tell them to F off. Or to take a test, which is what MOST people say.
I'm absolutely not saying that people breaking the rules are cool and should ask if they're pregnant (those people annoy me just as much as anyone else). But seeing that comment so many times made me wonder if people understand that home pregnancy tests pick up HCG several days after implantation, so you're actually pregnant for several days before a BFP (unless it's a blood test BFP, which can be positive 24 hours post-implantation).
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
Uh, as someone who actually understands statistics and research, could you stop calling yourself a science nerd/medical journal junkie/statistics lover? I really don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
But really, @1faceinacrowd, what was your point in posting this? What do you think we should be saying to people who ask if we think they're pregnant or not?
If someone comes on this page and asks if they're pregnant or not, tell them to F off. Or to take a test, which is what MOST people say.
I'm absolutely not saying that people breaking the rules are cool and should ask if they're pregnant (those people annoy me just as much as anyone else). But seeing that comment so many times made me wonder if people understand that home pregnancy tests pick up HCG several days after implantation, so you're actually pregnant for several days before a BFP (unless it's a blood test BFP, which can be positive 24 hours post-implantation).
The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Touche to the first bold. However, it is related to negative tests and false hope.
To the second bold: I believe you but Countdown to Pregnancy is most definitely not scientific nor a medical journal.
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that., butI'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
I think we all know how HPTs work around here. And the article you posted wasn't even "scientific" so that statement doesn't make much sense.
Me: 28 DH: 29 Married: August 2014 TTC #1 Since March 2015 Diagnosed with PCOS March 2016 SA results normal April 2016 3 rounds clomid + trigger + TI = BFN 3 rounds clomid + trigger + IUI = BFN Uterine polyp removed July 2017 Round 1 IVF January 2018
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
Uh, as someone who actually understands statistics and research, could you stop calling yourself a science nerd/medical journal junkie/statistics lover? I really don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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Me: 25 DH: 28
Hubby's little boy - my wonderful step-son - born 5/23/10
BFP#1: 06/2010...my beautiful baby girl born 3/7/2011
BFP #2: 10/24/15...mc on 10/31/15
BFP #3: 11/27/15. EDD 8/6/16
"Success is going from failure to failure without loss of enthusiasm." -Winston Churchill
I've seen a few people ask when is the best time to test.
I've also seen comments from people saying, "if the test is negative, you are not pregnant." (This comment drives me bonkers... most women get at least one false negative at some point in their lives, especially if they are early testers!)
I think this page (below) is super useful. They did an analysis of a bunch of women who ended up being pregnant and broke down what percentage of them got a positive at each DPO. For example, of all of the pregnant women who tested on 10 DPO, 67% of them got a BFP and the other 33% got a FALSE BFN. I'm a statistics junkie and enjoy resources like this. It helps me remain patient knowing my statistical chances of getting a false negative each day.
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
So if you didn't want to talk about how HPTs work or people telling others that they are not pregnant with a negative HPT when testing early, why did you mention it in your OP?
*ETA: That first comment was not "totally unrelated to this post", like you said.
@PocketFullofShells I don't think testing at 10DPO or at any date is at all desperate, and I apologize if my post comes across that way.
I personally went through a crazy “but I’m
sure I’m pregnant” phase back in July. I
mean, serious symptom spotting, testing way too early, the works. I'm pretty sure I convinced myself I was experiencing symptoms that weren't even there. I think I
started testing at about 9 days before my expected period (again, I wasn’t tracking/charting
much back then). It was horrible to go through and kind of expensive because
pregnancy tests aren’t always cheap! After that experience, I just don’t really
feel like I have a need to test so early. But I kept seeing it here – people testing
rather early -- and I wasn’t sure if I was missing out something obvious.
Granted, I now know that people have different LP’s and reasons for testing early.
Seeing some data, even if it’s not perfectly scientific (though I would
definitely have preferred a more reliable source of data) is just reaffirming to
me that I’m okay with being the oddball that waits until closer to the date that I expect my period (or what
looks to be about 15DPO).
I've peed on more pregnancy tests then you've ever owned in the last 18 months. I know how they work and if I say to someone wondering why they haven't got their period because of X,Y,Z that "BFN means you are not pregnant AT THIS TIME". I mean it, because going over the subtle difference between a blood test vs urine and the day or two that a urine test might not pick up but a blood test would is giving people false hope and encouraging them to seek out medical tests they likely dont need or even be able to get because not every doctor will bring people in for a blood test when you can just wait a day.
But really, @1faceinacrowd, what was your point in posting this? What do you think we should be saying to people who ask if we think they're pregnant or not?
If someone comes on this page and asks if they're pregnant or not, tell them to F off. Or to take a test, which is what MOST people say.
I'm absolutely not saying that people breaking the rules are cool and should ask if they're pregnant (those people annoy me just as much as anyone else). But seeing that comment so many times made me wonder if people understand that home pregnancy tests pick up HCG several days after implantation, so you're actually pregnant for several days before a BFP (unless it's a blood test BFP, which can be positive 24 hours post-implantation).
Why don't YOU respond like that and allow others to think for themselves and respond how they want to?
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
Uh, as someone who actually understands statistics and research, could you stop calling yourself a science nerd/medical journal junkie/statistics lover? I really don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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Dang it. I had a perfectly valid, non-TOU-violating response to this that will make zero sense now that your comment was removed.
Also, I have no idea what a Black Belt in Six Sigma is. So if I was supposed to be impressed... sorry?
My GYN literally just told me that at my follow up yesterday. "The good news is your hCG levels have finished falling. Try to stay positive because you'll have your healthy, successful pregnancy in the future. Just try to enjoy the upcoming holidays and just relax. Because, ya know, you get pregnant when you're just totally relaxed and not worried about it." Listen lady, I really like you and you've been a good doctor but no, just no.
Also OP, I've seen those stats on countdowntopregnancy.com and they have helped keep me from resisting the urge to test at something crazy like 8DPO. I have recommended it before to people who I don't believe will read a study (or understand it if they did) and need something to stop the crazy of "I'm pretty sure I saw a squinter at 6DPO. Guys, I'm totes pregnant!" Rightttttt, I'm sure that wasn't a faulty test or anything. You definitely didn't ovulated earlier than you thought. You're absolutely 6DPO and got a real positive. /sarcasm However, like others have said, it isn't a scientific study or anything like that. It's just a somewhat useful compilation of self-reported claims. Not that there isn't ever a use for such things or that such things have no value but... not scientific.
I'm going to have to agree with everyone else saying that if a person gets a negative test it is possible implantation already occurred and the person just doesn't have enough hCG in her pee to turn a positive yet. But that isn't the most likely answer. The most likely answer is that the person in question isn't pregnant. There are plenty of forums (like babycenter, or the countdowntopregnancy forums, or the reddit.com/r/tryingforbaby or where ever else) where people give out false hope like candy at Halloween. The regulars here just don't believe in handing out false hope. And that's fine. The conservative answer to "the test was negative at 12DPO" is always "you aren't pregnant." Sure you may have enough hCG in your blood to qualify you as pregnant but there is no way anyone could know that without seeing the blood test results. So, "not pregnant." If a person wants false hope and "you're probably pregnant the hCG just hasn't made it to your pee yet!" they need to go to another forum. We all understand how HPTs work we just don't want to build people up with a huge let down. Which is the most likely outcome.
Anyhow, just my 2 cents.
ETA: @0SeaMonkey0 I totally agree on the squinter thing. If you're having to do all that to see a line you should probably consider it negative. I hang out over on reddit.com/r/TFABlineporn sometimes and it drives me nuts how many pictures you see of obviously negative tests where people are like "if I take it over to the south facing window on the second floor of my house and hold the test exactly 3ft and 2 inches off the ground at a 45 degree angel and squint you can kinda see a super faint line." No, just no. Even if this supposedly line is there how do you trust that!? HOW?!
also:
Me: 28 Husband: 31 TTC#1: January 2015- September 2016 Infertility, Recurrent Pregnancy Loss Rainbow baby born June 6, 2017 ❤️
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
Uh, as someone who actually understands statistics and research, could you stop calling yourself a science nerd/medical journal junkie/statistics lover? I really don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
1faceinacrowd said:
I've seen a few people ask when is the best time to test.I've also seen comments from people saying, "if the test is negative, you are not pregnant." (This comment drives me bonkers... most women get at least one false negative at some point in their lives, especially if they are early testers!)
This whole post has a very corrective tone. It's also an incorrect quote from regs on this board. The comments usually read "if the test is negative, you are not pregnant at this time." In other words, you should not consider yourself pregnant or feed into false hopes of pregnancy until you get a positive HPT. How early you test should be determined by your LP (which is only determined by temping/charting), not the number of days you think maybe possibly there might be HCG in your blood. It isn't worth the time to repeat that explanation to the multitudes of drive-by snowflakes, hence the go-to statement "a negative test=not pregnant at this time".
andplusalso, false hope sucks in general, so why encourage it?
Also, I have no idea what a Black Belt in Six Sigma is. So if I was supposed to be impressed... sorry?
It means she took a training class or two on efficiency or supply chain management to check a box at work and build her resume. It probably means she has a super efficient, low cost time efficient method to POAS but is likely irrelevant to this discussion.
Edited to add gif because since I learned how to gif I feel like my posts are incomplete with them
Do you do anything other than draw attention to yourself? Like, at all?
It's a wonder you even have time to be on here with your banging your husband 24/7 and taking care of your 2000 square foot house.
***QBF***
The Bump never forgets.
ETA: stupid quote box!
Me: 28 DH: 29 Married: August 2014 TTC #1 Since March 2015 Diagnosed with PCOS March 2016 SA results normal April 2016 3 rounds clomid + trigger + TI = BFN 3 rounds clomid + trigger + IUI = BFN Uterine polyp removed July 2017 Round 1 IVF January 2018
Ugh, alright guys. I'm not trying to get attention. I posted a link to a page with some cool info, showing how many people who ended up being pregnant were getting negative tests at various DPO. Because it's interesting (to me) and I thought some people might enjoy it. Personally, I'm on 7 DPO right now and know that tomorrow, according to that study, only about 32% of people who ended up being pregnant got a positive test that day. So, in order to save myself from probable disappointment, I'm not going to test tomorrow.
THAT is why I shared this. Not to have this drawn out discussion about how HPTs work, or symptom spotting, or anything else. The first comment on this post was a paragraph about comments I've made on other posts regarding pregnancy symptoms before a positive HPT - totally unrelated to this post - and I responded to that. I'm a science nerd and medical journal junkie and it annoys me that people seem to misunderstand how HPTs work, but that's neither here nor there. I understand where some of you are coming from when you say that you'd rather not have false hope if you do get a BFN, and I totally get that.
Sorry for stirring the pot. Hopefully some of you actually enjoy the link I shared, as it is interesting info.
Uh, as someone who actually understands statistics and research, could you stop calling yourself a science nerd/medical journal junkie/statistics lover? I really don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
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Dang it. I had a perfectly valid, non-TOU-violating response to this that will make zero sense now that your comment was removed.
Also, I have no idea what a Black Belt in Six Sigma is. So if I was supposed to be impressed... sorry?
"The IASSC Certified Lean Six Sigma Black Belt (ICBB) is a professional who is well versed in the Lean Six Sigma Methodology, who leads improvement projects, typically in a full-time role. A Lean Six Sigma Black Belt possesses a thorough understanding of all aspects within the phases of D-M-A-I-C."
"Lean Six Sigma is a methodology that relies on a collaborative team effort to improve performance by systematically removing waste;[1] combining lean manufacturing/lean enterprise and Six Sigma to eliminate the eight kinds of waste (muda): Time, Inventory, Motion, Waiting, Over production, Over processing, Defects, and Skills"
Also, I have no idea what a Black Belt in Six Sigma is. So if I was supposed to be impressed... sorry?
It means she took a training class or two on efficiency or supply chain management to check a box at work and build her resume. It probably means she has a super efficient, low cost time efficient method to POAS but is likely irrelevant to this discussion.
---qbf---
I too have certifications that I threw money at to get. Do they make me a better person? Be impressed by me!!!
Do you do anything other than draw attention to yourself? Like, at all?
It's a wonder you even have time to be on here with your banging your husband 24/7 and taking care of your 2000 square foot house.
I can't even with this thread. I don't know why any of us are still even entertaining any posts from this person after all of her other braggy, insulting posts thus far. I've been doing my best to ignore, but this is really too much. We don't know how an HPT works? We don't understand the relationship between implantation, HCG, and then turning an HPT? Wow. TOO. MUCH.
I forgot that 1face was the sex frequency, 2K sq. ft. House lady. Oh man, my bump memory is getting rusty!
Also, I got really confused about the post purpose? Basically, you aren't pregnant until you get undeniable lines on a pregnancy test. It's not terribly hard & confusing it is just frustrating.
I can't even with this thread. I don't know why any of us are still even entertaining any posts from this person after all of her other braggy, insulting posts thus far.
I forgot that 1face was the sex frequency, 2K sq. ft. House lady. Oh man, my bump memory is getting rusty!
Also, I got really confused about the post purpose? Basically, you aren't pregnant until you get undeniable lines on a pregnancy test. It's not terribly hard & confusing it is just frustrating.
awww snap, yes it is! In that case....
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*PCOS/Hypothyroid/Ectopic Kidney/High DHEA-S* HSG - All clear, ectopic kidney didn't affect uterus (yay!) CT Adrenal Scan - no tumors! SA - sperm count excellent, 2% Morphology March/April IUI scheduled - surprise BFP w/ help of Progesterone - 3/18/2016 Beta #1 @ 11dpo - 45.7 #2 @ 14dpo - 163 #3 @ 18dpo - 997 #4 @ 21dpo - 3799 EDD 12/1 based on O, 11/28 per Ob/Gyn (but he's wrong lol).
Someone told me I'm clearly not educated in statistics/research and must not know what those words mean. I responded with my credentials (again, not sure why I'm defending myself, but I did it anyway) and now you're making fun of me BECAUSE I sited my credentials? Holy moly.
And yeah, I'm the jerk that has a big house and a lot of sex. I must be a terrible person. Pretty sure I only pointed out the size of my house because someone was taking jabs at me for having a lot of sex and how "people who have houses to take care of don't have time for that." As if it was utterly impossible to have sex 4 times per week while taking care of a house and kids.
I like a lot of you, but there is a small group of you who are seriously defensive or something because you seem to think that everything is a jab or insult pointed directly at you. I'm not the insulting type; my posts don't purposely have an underlying mean tone. If they come off that way, I'm sorry. It's hard to relay friendliness via computer keyboard.
Bring on the sarcastic GIFs and comments about how conceited I am. Whatever. My real life friends see me as the kind, generous person that I try really hard to be, and I guess that's what matters.
Me: 25 DH: 28
Hubby's little boy - my wonderful step-son - born 5/23/10
BFP#1: 06/2010...my beautiful baby girl born 3/7/2011
BFP #2: 10/24/15...mc on 10/31/15
BFP #3: 11/27/15. EDD 8/6/16
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Re: If you're trying to decide when to test... (possible TW, BFP mentioned)
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Me: 28 DH: 29
Married: August 2014
TTC #1 Since March 2015
Diagnosed with PCOS March 2016
SA results normal April 2016
3 rounds clomid + trigger + TI = BFN
3 rounds clomid + trigger + IUI = BFN
Uterine polyp removed July 2017
Round 1 IVF January 2018
So if you didn't want to talk about how HPTs work or people telling others that they are not pregnant with a negative HPT when testing early, why did you mention it in your OP?
BFP on 7/2/2013
@PocketFullofShells I don't think testing at 10DPO or at any date is at all desperate, and I apologize if my post comes across that way.
I personally went through a crazy “but I’m sure I’m pregnant” phase back in July. I mean, serious symptom spotting, testing way too early, the works. I'm pretty sure I convinced myself I was experiencing symptoms that weren't even there. I think I started testing at about 9 days before my expected period (again, I wasn’t tracking/charting much back then). It was horrible to go through and kind of expensive because pregnancy tests aren’t always cheap! After that experience, I just don’t really feel like I have a need to test so early. But I kept seeing it here – people testing rather early -- and I wasn’t sure if I was missing out something obvious.
Granted, I now know that people have different LP’s and reasons for testing early. Seeing some data, even if it’s not perfectly scientific (though I would definitely have preferred a more reliable source of data) is just reaffirming to me that I’m okay with being the oddball that waits until closer to the date that I expect my period (or what looks to be about 15DPO).
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I lurk. I snark. I offer sound advice if you're not BSC. You may not like me. I'm okay with it.
Why don't YOU respond like that and allow others to think for themselves and respond how they want to?
Listen lady, I really like you and you've been a good doctor but no, just no.
Also OP, I've seen those stats on countdowntopregnancy.com and they have helped keep me from resisting the urge to test at something crazy like 8DPO. I have recommended it before to people who I don't believe will read a study (or understand it if they did) and need something to stop the crazy of "I'm pretty sure I saw a squinter at 6DPO. Guys, I'm totes pregnant!" Rightttttt, I'm sure that wasn't a faulty test or anything. You definitely didn't ovulated earlier than you thought. You're absolutely 6DPO and got a real positive. /sarcasm
However, like others have said, it isn't a scientific study or anything like that. It's just a somewhat useful compilation of self-reported claims. Not that there isn't ever a use for such things or that such things have no value but... not scientific.
I'm going to have to agree with everyone else saying that if a person gets a negative test it is possible implantation already occurred and the person just doesn't have enough hCG in her pee to turn a positive yet. But that isn't the most likely answer. The most likely answer is that the person in question isn't pregnant. There are plenty of forums (like babycenter, or the countdowntopregnancy forums, or the reddit.com/r/tryingforbaby or where ever else) where people give out false hope like candy at Halloween. The regulars here just don't believe in handing out false hope. And that's fine. The conservative answer to "the test was negative at 12DPO" is always "you aren't pregnant." Sure you may have enough hCG in your blood to qualify you as pregnant but there is no way anyone could know that without seeing the blood test results. So, "not pregnant." If a person wants false hope and "you're probably pregnant the hCG just hasn't made it to your pee yet!" they need to go to another forum. We all understand how HPTs work we just don't want to build people up with a huge let down. Which is the most likely outcome.
Anyhow, just my 2 cents.
ETA: @0SeaMonkey0 I totally agree on the squinter thing. If you're having to do all that to see a line you should probably consider it negative. I hang out over on reddit.com/r/TFABlineporn sometimes and it drives me nuts how many pictures you see of obviously negative tests where people are like "if I take it over to the south facing window on the second floor of my house and hold the test exactly 3ft and 2 inches off the ground at a 45 degree angel and squint you can kinda see a super faint line." No, just no. Even if this supposedly line is there how do you trust that!? HOW?!
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This whole post has a very corrective tone. It's also an incorrect quote from regs on this board. The comments usually read "if the test is negative, you are not pregnant at this time." In other words, you should not consider yourself pregnant or feed into false hopes of pregnancy until you get a positive HPT. How early you test should be determined by your LP (which is only determined by temping/charting), not the number of days you think maybe possibly there might be HCG in your blood. It isn't worth the time to repeat that explanation to the multitudes of drive-by snowflakes, hence the go-to statement "a negative test=not pregnant at this time".
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It's a wonder you even have time to be on here with your banging your husband 24/7 and taking care of your 2000 square foot house.
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Uterine polyp removed July 2017
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---qbf---
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Also, I got really confused about the post purpose? Basically, you aren't pregnant until you get undeniable lines on a pregnancy test. It's not terribly hard & confusing it is just frustrating.
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Beta #1 @ 11dpo - 45.7 #2 @ 14dpo - 163 #3 @ 18dpo - 997 #4 @ 21dpo - 3799
EDD 12/1 based on O, 11/28 per Ob/Gyn (but he's wrong lol).
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