The high amount of people who end up with guliann barre syndrome from a flu shot (just one of the many adverse reactions caused by the shot instead of a car wreck causing it) is not at all pseudo science. The court paying out money to those who have this and other reactions happen as a side effect of the shot says it's fact.
Also, it is proven that the flu shot is useless for babies and small children, so getting one if you are hoping for it to somehow pass the placenta and be absorbed by your baby is not going to work.
Also also, if you are so concerned about people spreading the flu, why would you even consider the mist? It's a live virus vaccine. You could start your own outbreak!
The flu kills pregnant women and their babies. If I can reduce that chance by even 20%, I will do that. (This year, the shot will be more effective than 20%) Risks of the flu shot are extremely rare and mild. Those are the facts.
"Flu is more likely to cause severe illness in pregnant women than in women who are not pregnant. Changes in the immune system, heart, and lungs during pregnancy make pregnant women (and women up to two weeks postpartum) more prone to severe illness from flu, as well as to hospitalizations and even death. Pregnant women with flu also have a greater chance for serious problems for their unborn baby, including premature labor and delivery.
The Flu Shot is the Best Protection Against Flu
Getting a flu shot is the first and most important step in protecting against flu. The flu shot given during pregnancy has been shown to protect both the mother and her baby (up to 6 months old) from flu. The nasal spray vaccine should not be given to women who are pregnant. Learn more about the flu vaccine.
The Flu Shot is Safe for Pregnant Women
Flu shots are a safe way to protect the mother and her unborn child from serious illness and complications of flu. The flu shot has been given to millions of pregnant women over many years. Flu shots have not been shown to cause harm to pregnant women or their babies. It is very important for pregnant women to get the flu shot. See Seasonal Flu Vaccine Safety and Pregnant Women for more information.
Other Preventive Actions
In addition to getting the flu shot, pregnant women should take additional everyday preventive actions.
Early Treatment is Important for Pregnant Women
If you get sick with flu-like symptoms call your doctor right away. If needed, the doctor will prescribe an antiviral drug that treats the flu.
Having a fever caused by flu infection or other infections early in pregnancy can lead to birth defects in an unborn child. Pregnant women who get a fever should treat their fever with Tylenol® (or store brand equivalent) and contact their doctor as soon as possible.
When to Seek Emergency Medical Care
If you are pregnant and have any of these signs, call 911 right away:
Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath Pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen Sudden dizziness Confusion Severe or persistent vomiting High fever that is not responding to Tylenol® (or store brand equivalent) Decreased or no movement of your baby Note: There is no recommendation for pregnant women or people with pre-existing medical conditions to seek special permission or secure written consent from their doctor for influenza vaccination if they get vaccinated at a worksite clinic, pharmacy or other location outside of their physician's office. For more information, visit Misconceptions about Seasonal Flu and Flu Vaccines.
Yes, this is just a(n independent!) blogger's article. However, she links to medical research studies/abstracts (whichever are publically available online) and specifically notes which ones were done independently, so it is a reasonable resource to "do your own research."
The problem I continue to have with the "do your own research" argument is that MOST medical research is not available for free online to people that are not subscribers to the medical journals (so...medical professionals). Sometimes, but not always, an abstract is available online. But if you are "doing your own research" and don't have access to medical journals, you're not doing complete research. You're only seeing part of the research. And in my experience, the fear mongerers and anti-vaxxers (whose medical studies have been known to use less scientific methods) are more likely to release their flawed studies for free online than legitimate medical research done by doctors and other medical research professionals. So if you "do your own research" you will see a disproportionate amount of anti-vaccine research.
If you're not a medical professional, and don't understand the full breadth of research theories and study types that exist in the medical field, and you don't have access to the full catalog of current research studies...your research is incomplete and therefore flawed. Which is why I just listed to my doctor and the CDC, both of which would have access to the most relevant and reliable research studies.
Honestly, do your research. A lot of research. The flu shot is incredibly ineffective, but a great way to lower your immune system as it recovers from all the toxins you just injected into your body. Ever wonder why so many people get sick after getting the flu shot? It is not a live virus, so that cannot make you sick, but your immune system is still lowered after it, thus making it easier for you to get sick with whatever. On top of that, the flu shot is a best guess shot. It was under 19% effective last year. Not to mention, the vaccine insert lists quite a few reported adverse reactions. I do not get it for these reasons and so many more. It's nothing I want in me or my baby. Make an informed decision. Please research the risks, and don't jump on getting it just because ladies on a message board told you to. Likewise, don't skip out on getting it because you hear someone say it's bad. Do your research before you stick something into your body and know 100% that you are okay with it, because it can't be undone.
Do your research? How about I trust the research SCIENTISTS who actually do scientific research and not Google "vaccines and toxins."
The scientists who do the studies funded by vaccine manufacturers? Nope.
Ugh the conspiracy theorists!!!
Seriously. Adverse reactions mean they occurred during the study but may or may not be related to the vaccine (as the insert says). One drug included fracturing of the leg in the adverse events section because someone was in a car accident and broke their leg during the study and they were legally required to include it. Side effects are actually linked to the drug.
Lasts years flu vaccine was 20% effective. Women have a 20% chance of getting pregnant every cycle and get people successfully have that happen all the time. Sure some people get the shot and get a flu strain they aren't protected against. Some people are protected and that's what matters. The flu can cause serious issues in a pregnant woman. I'm terrified of needles so I haven't gotten mine for the last few years (didn't qualify for the nasal one for various reasons), but I intend to get mine this year for the health of my baby.
Vaccines have chemicals in them, sure. You know what else has chemicals? EVERYTHING. Take your pseudoscience fearmongoering on nonsense elsewhere please, it is not wanted here.
The high amount of people who end up with guliann barre syndrome from a flu shot (just one of the many adverse reactions caused by the shot instead of a car wreck causing it) is not at all pseudo science. The court paying out money to those who have this and other reactions happen as a side effect of the shot says it's fact.
Also, it is proven that the flu shot is useless for babies and small children, so getting one if you are hoping for it to somehow pass the placenta and be absorbed by your baby is not going to work.
Also also, if you are so concerned about people spreading the flu, why would you even consider the mist? It's a live virus vaccine. You could start your own outbreak!
*****anticipated qbf**** Of the 1,078,000,000 claims submitted to VAERS about the flu vaccine, only 1,399 have been compensated, and 1,204 were a settlement where the company didn't feel like dealing with going through a lengthy court proceeding. To be granted money by the vaccine court, you need only to prove (with reasonable doubt) that they symptoms are related, end of story. It's actually easier to win than normal court. The "high amount" of people you reference can't be that high given that since influenza was added to VAERS, there have been less than 1,400 people awarded money. Sure some people really do have adverse events, and that sucks, but overwhelmingly, people are fine. The flu vaccine has been proven effective in children, care to provide a genuine study showing efficacy in adults but not children? Additionally, the reason you get the vaccine during pregnancy is because your own body makes the antibodies which are then passed to the fetus. The fetus needs to do nothing at all to gain the protection. The nasal spray is the ONLY one that can be passed from person to person, and while it is a live virus, it's attenuated so only people who have a compromised immune system are at risk of anything happening and that's only if they are sneezed on by the person who got the vaccine within an hour or so of getting it. Pushing the "toxins" nonsense is fear mongering, convincing people that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they protect against is dangerous. The flu kills some 30,000 people a year in the US alone, and pregnant women are considered at higher risk of complications than their non-pregnant counterparts. If it's between being a little sore and lethargic for a day as my body mounts an immune response that will later protect me and my baby, I'm in.
As soon as someone starts on about conspiracies and "big pharma" and all that, I block them out and don't listen to anything else they have to say.
I got my flu shot and my daughter will be getting hers this weekend.
Yep.
Going with DH this weekend to get ours. Need someone to hold my hand and tell me it's all good, with a blood draw today, potentially a redraw on monday and a flu shot this weekend, I'm sure getting a lot of needle sticks for someone with a needle phobia.
Weird antivaxxer theories aside, my OB did tell me that I should not get the version of the vaccine they spray up your nose, and nor should anyone who I live with. But she also said to make sure to get the shot ASAP. Which I did.
Weird antivaxxer theories aside, my OB did tell me that I should not get the version of the vaccine they spray up your nose, and nor should anyone who I live with. But she also said to make sure to get the shot ASAP. Which I did.
THAT is actually true. Pregnant women should not get the mist, they should get the actual shot.
Honestly, do your research. A lot of research. The flu shot is incredibly ineffective, but a great way to lower your immune system as it recovers from all the toxins you just injected into your body. Ever wonder why so many people get sick after getting the flu shot? It is not a live virus, so that cannot make you sick, but your immune system is still lowered after it, thus making it easier for you to get sick with whatever. On top of that, the flu shot is a best guess shot. It was under 19% effective last year. Not to mention, the vaccine insert lists quite a few reported adverse reactions. I do not get it for these reasons and so many more. It's nothing I want in me or my baby. Make an informed decision. Please research the risks, and don't jump on getting it just because ladies on a message board told you to. Likewise, don't skip out on getting it because you hear someone say it's bad. Do your research before you stick something into your body and know 100% that you are okay with it, because it can't be undone.
Do your research? How about I trust the research SCIENTISTS who actually do scientific research and not Google "vaccines and toxins."
The scientists who do the studies funded by vaccine manufacturers? Nope.
Weird antivaxxer theories aside, my OB did tell me that I should not get the version of the vaccine they spray up your nose, and nor should anyone who I live with. But she also said to make sure to get the shot ASAP. Which I did.
THAT is actually true. Pregnant women should not get the mist, they should get the actual shot.
So should my 2 year old get the shot instead of the mist then? We have the option of either and are going tomorrow for it. What is the reason the OB said for that?
Weird antivaxxer theories aside, my OB did tell me that I should not get the version of the vaccine they spray up your nose, and nor should anyone who I live with. But she also said to make sure to get the shot ASAP. Which I did.
THAT is actually true. Pregnant women should not get the mist, they should get the actual shot.
So should my 2 year old get the shot instead of the mist then? We have the option of either and are going tomorrow for it. What is the reason the OB said for that?
The medical practice I work at gives the mist to children. My 3.5 year old just got the mist.
So should my 2 year old get the shot instead of the mist then? We have the option of either and are going tomorrow for it. What is the reason the OB said for that?
I believe it's because it's the live virus, but don't quote me on that. If it's not too late, call and check with your OB.
Weird antivaxxer theories aside, my OB did tell me that I should not get the version of the vaccine they spray up your nose, and nor should anyone who I live with. But she also said to make sure to get the shot ASAP. Which I did.
THAT is actually true. Pregnant women should not get the mist, they should get the actual shot.
So should my 2 year old get the shot instead of the mist then? We have the option of either and are going tomorrow for it. What is the reason the OB said for that?
The mist is a live virus and, due to it being put into the nose, there is a slight chance that he could sneeze on you soon after getting the mist and transmit the attenuated virus to you. Pregnant women may have a lowered immune response which means they have a chance of actually getting sick from an attenuated virus. I would ask your doctor or the pharmacist. Make sure when you get yours you mention you're pregnant so they give you the preservative free version too.
Yes, this is just a(n independent!) blogger's article. However, she links to medical research studies/abstracts (whichever are publically available online) and specifically notes which ones were done independently, so it is a reasonable resource to "do your own research."
The problem I continue to have with the "do your own research" argument is that MOST medical research is not available for free online to people that are not subscribers to the medical journals (so...medical professionals). Sometimes, but not always, an abstract is available online. But if you are "doing your own research" and don't have access to medical journals, you're not doing complete research. You're only seeing part of the research. And in my experience, the fear mongerers and anti-vaxxers (whose medical studies have been known to use less scientific methods) are more likely to release their flawed studies for free online than legitimate medical research done by doctors and other medical research professionals. So if you "do your own research" you will see a disproportionate amount of anti-vaccine research.
If you're not a medical professional, and don't understand the full breadth of research theories and study types that exist in the medical field, and you don't have access to the full catalog of current research studies...your research is incomplete and therefore flawed. Which is why I just listed to my doctor and the CDC, both of which would have access to the most relevant and reliable research studies.
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Good, so I can also post this from an independent website run by someone I know nothing about, also full of links that contain actual research...
You opened the door. If your article can be opened and links can be clicked for the flu vaccine, then in all fairness, so can mine for the opposite.
And for the record, though they may both contain real research, I'll laugh at redwineandapplesauce before I laugh at the website of someone who went to medical school.
Yes, your source did go to medical school, but if you looked at her credentials (and the heading of the site), her specialty is in psychiatry. IRL, I hope you let people know whether you vaccinate your children because if you were my friend and you didn't vaccinate your kids, we likely would maintain a texting/e-mail/social media relationship, if that.
Yes, this is just a(n independent!) blogger's article. However, she links to medical research studies/abstracts (whichever are publically available online) and specifically notes which ones were done independently, so it is a reasonable resource to "do your own research."
The problem I continue to have with the "do your own research" argument is that MOST medical research is not available for free online to people that are not subscribers to the medical journals (so...medical professionals). Sometimes, but not always, an abstract is available online. But if you are "doing your own research" and don't have access to medical journals, you're not doing complete research. You're only seeing part of the research. And in my experience, the fear mongerers and anti-vaxxers (whose medical studies have been known to use less scientific methods) are more likely to release their flawed studies for free online than legitimate medical research done by doctors and other medical research professionals. So if you "do your own research" you will see a disproportionate amount of anti-vaccine research.
If you're not a medical professional, and don't understand the full breadth of research theories and study types that exist in the medical field, and you don't have access to the full catalog of current research studies...your research is incomplete and therefore flawed. Which is why I just listed to my doctor and the CDC, both of which would have access to the most relevant and reliable research studies.
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Good, so I can also post this from an independent website run by someone I know nothing about, also full of links that contain actual research...
You opened the door. If your article can be opened and links can be clicked for the flu vaccine, then in all fairness, so can mine for the opposite.
And for the record, though they may both contain real research, I'll laugh at redwineandapplesauce before I laugh at the website of someone who went to medical school.
Yes, your source did go to medical school, but if you looked at her credentials (and the heading of the site), her specialty is in psychiatry. IRL, I hope you let people know whether you vaccinate your children because if you were my friend and you didn't vaccinate your kids, we likely would maintain a texting/e-mail/social media relationship, if that.
My children's medical history is no ones business other than mine and my husband. Do you ask if people's kids are vaccinated before you let your kids play with them? If you invaded my privacy like that, we would not even be social media/texting friends. But really, why does that have anything to do with this discussion?
Also, cool story, but what about redwineandapplesauce? Any medical credentials? I actually don't know. I'll have to check it out.
ETA: Just checked it out. Nope.
Because you are putting my kids at risk through willfully ignoring science and violating my kids' rights. Do I find out if someone my kid regularly plays with has been vaccinated? You betcha. I have a friend with a premie who put out a PSA on facebook letting everyone know that no one can see her child unless they are vaccinated, including the flu shot. You seem very proud of your stance, so why feel the need to hide it? It absolutely matters, and your response and "research" speak volumes.
I wouldn't trust the independent blogger by herself, but her list of scholarly & peer-reviewed journals does the job for her.
And again,
ETA: If I made the choice to not vaccinate, I would certainly let people know about it because it's the right thing to do.
----- I'm just going to ignore the discussion on children's playdates and vaccination, but likewise for my source. I don't know who she is, but she has research, and if one person's (redwine) research posting is legit, then the other person's (kellybrogan) should be as well. My whole reason for posting on this thread was simply to say that there are two sides, so OP should do her research and decide for herself.
Your source basically cites 2 articles. One discusses possibility of inflammation (which is incredibly vague and the study itself says more research needs to be done) and the other measures responses of an unmoderated forum where anyone can report anything without proof. I don't know your research and statistical background, but there several issues with reporting biases and research design. Yes, there are two sides, but one is based in science and one is based in fear-mongering.
Sorry, you are right, but when junk science is cited, it grinds my gears.
No, girl, I get it. There just seems to be a pattern with a particular poster. It's like this:
OP: Should I get a vaccine?
Science fan: Yes you should. Flu can be deadly to you and your baby.
Anti-vaxxer: No. You shouldn't because...toxins.
SF: Here's this article that, while not scholarly, links several scholarly articles regarding the benefits of the vaccine.
AV: No, don't believe that. That study was found by BIG PHARMA!!! Conspiracy conspiracy conspiracy!
SF: No really, you should check this out because...science.
AV: You're not going to trick me into supporting BIG PHARMA!!!
SF: You really should stop trying to scare people into not vaccinating their children. These diseases were all but eradicated until it became popular not to vaccinate.
AV: BIG PHARMA LIES!!!
Honestly, though, I'm amused by it. I'm firmly in the pro-vax camp because...well...I enjoy not having polio.
Woo just got my flu shot tonight. Was going to do it tomorrow but we ended up going today instead.
In the end, science has proven over and over again that vaccines are safe. Each time, the goal post are moved and it's something ELSE that's causing problems in vaccines. I vaccinate to protect myself and others around me and hope that others are kind enough to do the same. Recently, an anti-vax group funded a study to prove vaccines cause autism. The study was just published. No relation what so ever.
Just because a study is funded by someone doesn't mean they influence the way it turns out. Science is science, that's what's so great about it. Sure some iffy stuff slips through from time to time but then others see it, try to replicate and when they fail, it's investigated and if fraud/error is found, retracted.
I'm firmly in the pro-vax camp because...well...I enjoy not having polio.
Best response in the whole thread. Brilliant!
Fun fact though... Polio has popped up recently overseas because of shedding from the polio vaccine. Dun dun dun.
Vaccine derived polio happens because someone doesn't clear the vaccine strain from their system and it spends enough time to be able to mutate. Ironically the best prevention for VDPV is wider coverage of vaccination. Another fix is not using oral polio vaccines. Most countries are slowly transitioning over to Intravenous which is more expensive but doesn't have the shedding issue.
And likewise, the whooping cough outbreaks in the US recently have been traced back to asymptomatic carriers thanks to the vaccine, and everyone else who contracted it was vaccinated. But those vaccines sure are effective.
Again. You know what the fix is? Wider spread of vaccination to prevent rapid transmission from person to person and anyone with non-clinical presentation from spreading it. In reality, whooping cough needs to start from someone who actively has the bacteria. That is either someone who hasn't completed their course, isn't updated on their pertussis boosters (every 5-7 years people) or isn't vaccinated at all. Someone will full immunity will not be an asymptomatic carrier, its people who are at the end of their immune period that can keep it from infecting them but can't rid it from the body.
Honestly, do your research. A lot of research. The flu shot is incredibly ineffective, but a great way to lower your immune system as it recovers from all the toxins you just injected into your body. Ever wonder why so many people get sick after getting the flu shot? It is not a live virus, so that cannot make you sick, but your immune system is still lowered after it, thus making it easier for you to get sick with whatever. On top of that, the flu shot is a best guess shot. It was under 19% effective last year. Not to mention, the vaccine insert lists quite a few reported adverse reactions. I do not get it for these reasons and so many more. It's nothing I want in me or my baby. Make an informed decision. Please research the risks, and don't jump on getting it just because ladies on a message board told you to. Likewise, don't skip out on getting it because you hear someone say it's bad. Do your research before you stick something into your body and know 100% that you are okay with it, because it can't be undone.
Do your research? How about I trust the research SCIENTISTS who actually do scientific research and not Google "vaccines and toxins."
The scientists who do the studies funded by vaccine manufacturers? Nope.
Are news stories like this faked too? Are the journalists also getting paid for vaccines?
Ugh the conspiracy theorists!!! Seriously. Adverse reactions mean they occurred during the study but may or may not be related to the vaccine (as the insert says). One drug included fracturing of the leg in the adverse events section because someone was in a car accident and broke their leg during the study and they were legally required to include it. Side effects are actually linked to the drug.
Lasts years flu vaccine was 20% effective. Women have a 20% chance of getting pregnant every cycle and get people successfully have that happen all the time. Sure some people get the shot and get a flu strain they aren't protected against. Some people are protected and that's what matters. The flu can cause serious issues in a pregnant woman. I'm terrified of needles so I haven't gotten mine for the last few years (didn't qualify for the nasal one for various reasons), but I intend to get mine this year for the health of my baby.
Vaccines have chemicals in them, sure. You know what else has chemicals? EVERYTHING. Take your pseudoscience fearmongoering on nonsense elsewhere please, it is not wanted here.
The high amount of people who end up with guliann barre syndrome from a flu shot (just one of the many adverse reactions caused by the shot instead of a car wreck causing it) is not at all pseudo science. The court paying out money to those who have this and other reactions happen as a side effect of the shot says it's fact.
Also, it is proven that the flu shot is useless for babies and small children, so getting one if you are hoping for it to somehow pass the placenta and be absorbed by your baby is not going to work.
Also also, if you are so concerned about people spreading the flu, why would you even consider the most? It's a live virus vaccine. You could start your own outbreak!
My mother sadly got Guillian Barre syndrome from the flu shot. My family will never get one again. The flu, we can deal with. GBS, broke my mother and we won't get it ever again.
I'm starting to suspect whether PP actually believes any of this. It feels like every post started/replied to is MUD.
I bet she has stock options in tin foil.
The hubris needed to think the general you without any sort of medical training or education knows more about vaccines, their interactions and effects than the doctors who administer them is astounding.
Honestly, do your research. A lot of research. The flu shot is incredibly ineffective, but a great way to lower your immune system as it recovers from all the toxins you just injected into your body. Ever wonder why so many people get sick after getting the flu shot? It is not a live virus, so that cannot make you sick, but your immune system is still lowered after it, thus making it easier for you to get sick with whatever. On top of that, the flu shot is a best guess shot. It was under 19% effective last year. Not to mention, the vaccine insert lists quite a few reported adverse reactions. I do not get it for these reasons and so many more. It's nothing I want in me or my baby. Make an informed decision. Please research the risks, and don't jump on getting it just because ladies on a message board told you to. Likewise, don't skip out on getting it because you hear someone say it's bad. Do your research before you stick something into your body and know 100% that you are okay with it, because it can't be undone.
Do your research? How about I trust the research SCIENTISTS who actually do scientific research and not Google "vaccines and toxins."
The scientists who do the studies funded by vaccine manufacturers? Nope.
Are news stories like this faked too? Are the journalists also getting paid for vaccines?
Ugh the conspiracy theorists!!! Seriously. Adverse reactions mean they occurred during the study but may or may not be related to the vaccine (as the insert says). One drug included fracturing of the leg in the adverse events section because someone was in a car accident and broke their leg during the study and they were legally required to include it. Side effects are actually linked to the drug.
Lasts years flu vaccine was 20% effective. Women have a 20% chance of getting pregnant every cycle and get people successfully have that happen all the time. Sure some people get the shot and get a flu strain they aren't protected against. Some people are protected and that's what matters. The flu can cause serious issues in a pregnant woman. I'm terrified of needles so I haven't gotten mine for the last few years (didn't qualify for the nasal one for various reasons), but I intend to get mine this year for the health of my baby.
Vaccines have chemicals in them, sure. You know what else has chemicals? EVERYTHING. Take your pseudoscience fearmongoering on nonsense elsewhere please, it is not wanted here.
The high amount of people who end up with guliann barre syndrome from a flu shot (just one of the many adverse reactions caused by the shot instead of a car wreck causing it) is not at all pseudo science. The court paying out money to those who have this and other reactions happen as a side effect of the shot says it's fact.
Also, it is proven that the flu shot is useless for babies and small children, so getting one if you are hoping for it to somehow pass the placenta and be absorbed by your baby is not going to work.
Also also, if you are so concerned about people spreading the flu, why would you even consider the most? It's a live virus vaccine. You could start your own outbreak!
My mother sadly got Guillian Barre syndrome from the flu shot. My family will never get one again. The flu, we can deal with. GBS, broke my mother and we won't get it ever again.
I'm sorry to hear that, and there are rare circumstances where that does happen, but they are 1 in a million odds (literally). There are certain people who should not be vaccinated due to a medical risk and I am 100% okay with that, but choosing not to vaccinate on the basis of something other than medical advice is foolish. Doctors spend over a decade of post highschool training to do what they do, someone assuming they know better than their doctor is misguided.
Honestly, do your research. A lot of research. The flu shot is incredibly ineffective, but a great way to lower your immune system as it recovers from all the toxins you just injected into your body. Ever wonder why so many people get sick after getting the flu shot? It is not a live virus, so that cannot make you sick, but your immune system is still lowered after it, thus making it easier for you to get sick with whatever. On top of that, the flu shot is a best guess shot. It was under 19% effective last year. Not to mention, the vaccine insert lists quite a few reported adverse reactions. I do not get it for these reasons and so many more. It's nothing I want in me or my baby. Make an informed decision. Please research the risks, and don't jump on getting it just because ladies on a message board told you to. Likewise, don't skip out on getting it because you hear someone say it's bad. Do your research before you stick something into your body and know 100% that you are okay with it, because it can't be undone.
Do your research? How about I trust the research SCIENTISTS who actually do scientific research and not Google "vaccines and toxins."
The scientists who do the studies funded by vaccine manufacturers? Nope.
Are news stories like this faked too? Are the journalists also getting paid for vaccines?
Ugh the conspiracy theorists!!! Seriously. Adverse reactions mean they occurred during the study but may or may not be related to the vaccine (as the insert says). One drug included fracturing of the leg in the adverse events section because someone was in a car accident and broke their leg during the study and they were legally required to include it. Side effects are actually linked to the drug.
Lasts years flu vaccine was 20% effective. Women have a 20% chance of getting pregnant every cycle and get people successfully have that happen all the time. Sure some people get the shot and get a flu strain they aren't protected against. Some people are protected and that's what matters. The flu can cause serious issues in a pregnant woman. I'm terrified of needles so I haven't gotten mine for the last few years (didn't qualify for the nasal one for various reasons), but I intend to get mine this year for the health of my baby.
Vaccines have chemicals in them, sure. You know what else has chemicals? EVERYTHING. Take your pseudoscience fearmongoering on nonsense elsewhere please, it is not wanted here.
The high amount of people who end up with guliann barre syndrome from a flu shot (just one of the many adverse reactions caused by the shot instead of a car wreck causing it) is not at all pseudo science. The court paying out money to those who have this and other reactions happen as a side effect of the shot says it's fact.
Also, it is proven that the flu shot is useless for babies and small children, so getting one if you are hoping for it to somehow pass the placenta and be absorbed by your baby is not going to work.
Also also, if you are so concerned about people spreading the flu, why would you even consider the most? It's a live virus vaccine. You could start your own outbreak!
My mother sadly got Guillian Barre syndrome from the flu shot. My family will never get one again. The flu, we can deal with. GBS, broke my mother and we won't get it ever again.
*****anticipated QBF*****
I'm sorry that happened to your mother. I feel it's worth mentioning that this syndrome can also be caused by the flu or other infections.
Re: Flu shot?!
From the CDC. (not funded by vaccine companies)
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/vaccine/pregnant.htm
"Flu is more likely to cause severe illness in pregnant women than in women who are not pregnant. Changes in the immune system, heart, and lungs during pregnancy make pregnant women (and women up to two weeks postpartum) more prone to severe illness from flu, as well as to hospitalizations and even death. Pregnant women with flu also have a greater chance for serious problems for their unborn baby, including premature labor and delivery.
The Flu Shot is the Best Protection Against Flu
Getting a flu shot is the first and most important step in protecting against flu. The flu shot given during pregnancy has been shown to protect both the mother and her baby (up to 6 months old) from flu. The nasal spray vaccine should not be given to women who are pregnant. Learn more about the flu vaccine.
The Flu Shot is Safe for Pregnant Women
Flu shots are a safe way to protect the mother and her unborn child from serious illness and complications of flu. The flu shot has been given to millions of pregnant women over many years. Flu shots have not been shown to cause harm to pregnant women or their babies. It is very important for pregnant women to get the flu shot. See Seasonal Flu Vaccine Safety and Pregnant Women for more information.
Other Preventive Actions
In addition to getting the flu shot, pregnant women should take additional everyday preventive actions.
Early Treatment is Important for Pregnant Women
If you get sick with flu-like symptoms call your doctor right away. If needed, the doctor will prescribe an antiviral drug that treats the flu.
Having a fever caused by flu infection or other infections early in pregnancy can lead to birth defects in an unborn child. Pregnant women who get a fever should treat their fever with Tylenol® (or store brand equivalent) and contact their doctor as soon as possible.
When to Seek Emergency Medical Care
If you are pregnant and have any of these signs, call 911 right away:
Difficulty breathing or shortness of breath
Pain or pressure in the chest or abdomen
Sudden dizziness
Confusion
Severe or persistent vomiting
High fever that is not responding to Tylenol® (or store brand equivalent)
Decreased or no movement of your baby
Note: There is no recommendation for pregnant women or people with pre-existing medical conditions to seek special permission or secure written consent from their doctor for influenza vaccination if they get vaccinated at a worksite clinic, pharmacy or other location outside of their physician's office. For more information, visit Misconceptions about Seasonal Flu and Flu Vaccines.
2010: Infertility
October 2015: missed miscarriage #2 at 11 weeks (trisomy 22)
Ugh how many times am I going to need to link to this?
https://www.redwineandapplesauce.com/2014/01/08/the-real-story-on-the-flu-vaccine-during-pregnancy/
Yes, this is just a(n independent!) blogger's article. However, she links to medical research studies/abstracts (whichever are publically available online) and specifically notes which ones were done independently, so it is a reasonable resource to "do your own research."
The problem I continue to have with the "do your own research" argument is that MOST medical research is not available for free online to people that are not subscribers to the medical journals (so...medical professionals). Sometimes, but not always, an abstract is available online. But if you are "doing your own research" and don't have access to medical journals, you're not doing complete research. You're only seeing part of the research. And in my experience, the fear mongerers and anti-vaxxers (whose medical studies have been known to use less scientific methods) are more likely to release their flawed studies for free online than legitimate medical research done by doctors and other medical research professionals. So if you "do your own research" you will see a disproportionate amount of anti-vaccine research.
If you're not a medical professional, and don't understand the full breadth of research theories and study types that exist in the medical field, and you don't have access to the full catalog of current research studies...your research is incomplete and therefore flawed. Which is why I just listed to my doctor and the CDC, both of which would have access to the most relevant and reliable research studies.
Of the 1,078,000,000 claims submitted to VAERS about the flu vaccine, only 1,399 have been compensated, and 1,204 were a settlement where the company didn't feel like dealing with going through a lengthy court proceeding. To be granted money by the vaccine court, you need only to prove (with reasonable doubt) that they symptoms are related, end of story. It's actually easier to win than normal court. The "high amount" of people you reference can't be that high given that since influenza was added to VAERS, there have been less than 1,400 people awarded money. Sure some people really do have adverse events, and that sucks, but overwhelmingly, people are fine. The flu vaccine has been proven effective in children, care to provide a genuine study showing efficacy in adults but not children? Additionally, the reason you get the vaccine during pregnancy is because your own body makes the antibodies which are then passed to the fetus. The fetus needs to do nothing at all to gain the protection. The nasal spray is the ONLY one that can be passed from person to person, and while it is a live virus, it's attenuated so only people who have a compromised immune system are at risk of anything happening and that's only if they are sneezed on by the person who got the vaccine within an hour or so of getting it. Pushing the "toxins" nonsense is fear mongering, convincing people that vaccines are more dangerous than the diseases they protect against is dangerous. The flu kills some 30,000 people a year in the US alone, and pregnant women are considered at higher risk of complications than their non-pregnant counterparts. If it's between being a little sore and lethargic for a day as my body mounts an immune response that will later protect me and my baby, I'm in.
I got my flu shot and my daughter will be getting hers this weekend.
Jamie
Going with DH this weekend to get ours. Need someone to hold my hand and tell me it's all good, with a blood draw today, potentially a redraw on monday and a flu shot this weekend, I'm sure getting a lot of needle sticks for someone with a needle phobia.
Jamie
In the end, science has proven over and over again that vaccines are safe. Each time, the goal post are moved and it's something ELSE that's causing problems in vaccines. I vaccinate to protect myself and others around me and hope that others are kind enough to do the same. Recently, an anti-vax group funded a study to prove vaccines cause autism. The study was just published. No relation what so ever.
Just because a study is funded by someone doesn't mean they influence the way it turns out. Science is science, that's what's so great about it. Sure some iffy stuff slips through from time to time but then others see it, try to replicate and when they fail, it's investigated and if fraud/error is found, retracted.
Fun fact though... Polio has popped up recently overseas because of shedding from the polio vaccine. Dun dun dun.
Quote fail .....
Fun fact ... I have no interest in your ill informed posts
Fun fact though... Polio has popped up recently overseas because of shedding from the polio vaccine. Dun dun dun.
Vaccine derived polio happens because someone doesn't clear the vaccine strain from their system and it spends enough time to be able to mutate. Ironically the best prevention for VDPV is wider coverage of vaccination. Another fix is not using oral polio vaccines. Most countries are slowly transitioning over to Intravenous which is more expensive but doesn't have the shedding issue.
"You could start your own outbreak!"
Seriously? Wow,
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My mother sadly got Guillian Barre syndrome from the flu shot. My family will never get one again. The flu, we can deal with. GBS, broke my mother and we won't get it ever again.
The hubris needed to think the general you without any sort of medical training or education knows more about vaccines, their interactions and effects than the doctors who administer them is astounding.
I'm sorry to hear that, and there are rare circumstances where that does happen, but they are 1 in a million odds (literally). There are certain people who should not be vaccinated due to a medical risk and I am 100% okay with that, but choosing not to vaccinate on the basis of something other than medical advice is foolish. Doctors spend over a decade of post highschool training to do what they do, someone assuming they know better than their doctor is misguided.
*****anticipated QBF*****
I'm sorry that happened to your mother. I feel it's worth mentioning that this syndrome can also be caused by the flu or other infections.