I just can't with the anti-vaxers on this board. There are babies too young to get vaccines and children and adults who are immuno-compromised. Those also happen to be the people who could suffer long-term or fatal consequences if they come in contact with one of these illnesses. It's one thing to put your own children at risk, but you are also culpable for compromising herd immunity and possibly spreading the disease to those who can't be vaccinated. Totally irresponsible. What you do DOES affect me and mine and I'd like to think when I take my newborn child out in the world they aren't going to contract the Measles.
@Kewlchiky I respect you decision to stand up and fight for what you believe in, however I believe 100% that NOT vaccinating your children is wrong and endangers the lives of other children! I don't know what country your in but in the U.S. Your children will not socialize properly in the community I mean they cant even go to public school or join girl/Boy Scouts. I've sorry but I tried to ignore your comment and tried not to respond but 30 mins later I just couldn't help it! Please think of other children when you walk outside your home with your children. Some kids like mine are not old enough to get a vaccine and could die by your decision!
@yogahh I totally understand why you wouldn't do that! Luckily we have a nice neighborhood for the children so they are not talking to strangers, our schools even stay open and children can walk around and get candy from the teacher!
@yogahh we live in NYC too, and last year all of the classes and playgroups we were in hosted Halloween stuff, so I promise once your LO is here you'll form a little community, but it does take time to sort out the crazies.
My UO: I can't stand people that don't pick up after their dogs. I didn't think this was unpopular, but apparently in my neighborhood it is.
Keeping with the seasonal theme- I hate Halloween, and my children will never be allowed to trick or treat. Dressing up for school is ok, but telling kids that on one magical night of the year its ok to take candy from strangers??!!?? Effing weird IMO
That's why we go trick or treating in our neighborhood where we know all our neighbors. Guess we are lucky to have such a nice street where my kids won't be taking candy from strangers. It is kind of a weird concept, but a fun tradition if done safely.
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Unfortunately in NYC, its rare to know your neighbors. I wish we lived in a cozy community, and maybe someday we will. In that case, minds may be changed. But "stranger danger" is a real thing in this crazy messed up world now.
I agree though that school parties are ok to dress up and have fun!
I am also from NYC and I have to say I completely disagree with you. Of course, you need to pay attention and inspect all of your children's
candy (as you would even in a quaint town), but that being said, Manhattan is a beautiful city that is full of culture and art - a great place to experience Halloween. I have taken my nephews to the Greenwich Village Children's Parade. It's a lot of fun. There are circus performers, games, and trick-or-treat bags. On the lower east side, there is a candy store that hands out free candy from 3-5 p.m. for all children dressed in a costume. For a traditional trick-or-treat feel, you can head to the Upper East Side (around 78th and btwn Park and Lex). Many of the pre-war buildings decorate their lobbys and hand out candy. It is an absolute beautiful neighborhood where some of the most affluent people in New York live. I can't imagine them giving out poison apples...
Keeping with the seasonal theme- I hate Halloween, and my children will never be allowed to trick or treat. Dressing up for school is ok, but telling kids that on one magical night of the year its ok to take candy from strangers??!!?? Effing weird IMO
That's why we go trick or treating in our neighborhood where we know all our neighbors. Guess we are lucky to have such a nice street where my kids won't be taking candy from strangers. It is kind of a weird concept, but a fun tradition if done safely.
:-??
Unfortunately in NYC, its rare to know your neighbors. I wish we lived in a cozy community, and maybe someday we will. In that case, minds may be changed. But "stranger danger" is a real thing in this crazy messed up world now.
I agree though that school parties are ok to dress up and have fun!
I am also from NYC and I have to say I completely disagree with you. Of course, you need to pay attention and inspect all of your children's
candy (as you would even in a quaint town), but that being said, Manhattan is a beautiful city that is full of culture and art - a great place to experience Halloween. I have taken my nephews to the Greenwich Village Children's Parade. It's a lot of fun. There are circus performers, games, and trick-or-treat bags. On the lower east side, there is a candy store that hands out free candy from 3-5 p.m. for all children dressed in a costume. For a traditional trick-or-treat feel, you can head to the Upper East Side (around 78th and btwn Park and Lex). Many of the pre-war buildings decorate their lobbys and hand out candy. It is an absolute beautiful neighborhood where some of the most affluent people in New York live. I can't imagine them giving out poison apples...
Keeping with the seasonal theme- I hate Halloween, and my children will never be allowed to trick or treat. Dressing up for school is ok, but telling kids that on one magical night of the year its ok to take candy from strangers??!!?? Effing weird IMO
That's why we go trick or treating in our neighborhood where we know all our neighbors. Guess we are lucky to have such a nice street where my kids won't be taking candy from strangers. It is kind of a weird concept, but a fun tradition if done safely.
:-??
Unfortunately in NYC, its rare to know your neighbors. I wish we lived in a cozy community, and maybe someday we will. In that case, minds may be changed. But "stranger danger" is a real thing in this crazy messed up world now.
I agree though that school parties are ok to dress up and have fun!
I am also from NYC and I have to say I completely disagree with you. Of course, you need to pay attention and inspect all of your children's
candy (as you would even in a quaint town), but that being said, Manhattan is a beautiful city that is full of culture and art - a great place to experience Halloween. I have taken my nephews to the Greenwich Village Children's Parade. It's a lot of fun. There are circus performers, games, and trick-or-treat bags. On the lower east side, there is a candy store that hands out free candy from 3-5 p.m. for all children dressed in a costume. For a traditional trick-or-treat feel, you can head to the Upper East Side (around 78th and btwn Park and Lex). Many of the pre-war buildings decorate their lobbys and hand out candy. It is an absolute beautiful neighborhood where some of the most affluent people in New York live. I can't imagine them giving out poison apples...
Also - you really SHOULD care if other people do or do not vaccinate their kids. The reason your children are healthy is because everyone else in your community (who made the responsible decision to vaccinate) are keeping diseases like fucking POLIO at bay. So enough with the lassez faire attitude, your kids' health depends on vaccination whether you choose to acknowledge that or not.
Edited for grammar. It's hard when I'm ragey.
SO. MUCH. THIS. This meme says it all.
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My 3 kiddos socialize just fine. We live in Texas and can claim religious exemption. not that weve even had to at this point and people around us respect our decisions. My kids have loads of friends and my unvaxxed son has never infected or killed anyone with "all the horrible diseases he apparently carries". Among many reasons for not vaccinating the big one forbme is that I will not inject aborted fetal cells into my children. And yes really do contain them...says so on the package inserts.
But just to be clear I have said nothing hateful to anyone who doesn't agree with me. Of course i sont want my kids to get sick. But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy....that's mine and my husband's job.
If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears. But I don't flinch anymore to the nastiness so......
My 3 kiddos socialize just fine. We live in Texas and can claim religious exemption. not that weve even had to at this point and people around us respect our decisions. My kids have loads of friends and my unvaxxed son has never infected or killed anyone with "all the horrible diseases he apparently carries". Among many reasons for not vaccinating the big one forbme is that I will not inject aborted fetal cells into my children. And yes really do contain them...says so on the package inserts.
But just to be clear I have said nothing hateful to anyone who doesn't agree with me. Of course i sont want my kids to get sick. But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy....that's mine and my husband's job.
If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears. But I don't flinch anymore to the nastiness so......
I don't feel that I bashed you at all, and you have a right to object to aborted fetal cells or whatever you saw were in there. However, the only way vaccines work is through herd immunity. One reason your children have not gotten sick is because the majority of the community has been vaccinated. However, you ARE putting other children and immuno-compromised people at risk. We have had cases in my area of infants too young to be vaccinated contracting measles. That happened because someone wasn't vaccinated and spread the disease to them. And small babies are very much at risk of dying if they contract diseases (as are folks with compromised immune systems). And if you are worried about unborn babies you should also worry about the lives you are putting at risk by opting out of the herd immunity. I don't think you are a bad person, but you need to be informed of the risks you pose to others.
My 3 kiddos socialize just fine. We live in Texas and can claim religious exemption. not that weve even had to at this point and people around us respect our decisions. My kids have loads of friends and my unvaxxed son has never infected or killed anyone with "all the horrible diseases he apparently carries". Among many reasons for not vaccinating the big one forbme is that I will not inject aborted fetal cells into my children. And yes really do contain them...says so on the package inserts.
But just to be clear I have said nothing hateful to anyone who doesn't agree with me. Of course i sont want my kids to get sick. But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy....that's mine and my husband's job.
If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears. But I don't flinch anymore to the nastiness so......
Saying is okay to not vaccinate because your kids haven't infected anyone is like saying it's s okay to drink and drive because you haven't been in an accident. It doesn't make either decision safe just because nothing bad has happened yet...
My UO is that I f%#@ing love Halloween. More than any other holiday including Christmas. My other UO is that if I find out that you don't vaccinate your kids, I will run far away from your polio-embracing ass.
1) My kids have loads of friends and my unvaxxed son has never infected or killed anyone with "all the horrible diseases he apparently carries".
2) But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy.
3) If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears.
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I will attempt #3 because why not, though from my experience it's usually pointless
#1 While I am happy to hear that your children are well socialized and nobody that they may interact with regularly have gotten sick that you know of, you don't know the poor children that may be immunocompromised that your child may be interacting with on a daily basis.
Examples, park, zoo, children's museum, walking through a mall, Chuck E Cheese.....
#2 You do actually depend on heard immunity to keep your kids healthy, just like the parents to children that are immunocompromised depend that walking through a mall with their child they won't get sick.
1) My kids have loads of friends and my unvaxxed son has never infected or killed anyone with "all the horrible diseases he apparently carries".
2) But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy.
3) If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears.
Sorry M16 to be lurking but I just can't help myself
I will attempt #3 because why not, though from my experience it's usually pointless
#1 While I am happy to hear that your children are well socialized and nobody that they may interact with regularly have gotten sick that you know of, you don't know the poor children that may be immunocompromised that your child may be interacting with on a daily basis.
Examples, park, zoo, children's museum, walking through a mall, Chuck E Cheese.....
#2 You do actually depend on heard immunity to keep your kids healthy, just like the parents to children that are immunocompromised depend that walking through a mall with their child they won't get sick.
If your child is so immuno compromised that that are at danger of being exposed to an unvaccinated kid then keep said child home. Vaccines are not a guarantee either. You can give your kid all the shots in the world but that doesn't mean he's immune. We've become a society where we rush to a shot to save us. And yes we need herd immunity but herd immunity does not exist anymore bc we have so much artificial immunity from vaccines. True herd immunity comes from coming in contact with the wild form of the disease. So Sorry, not sorry I'm not going to risk my child's life and we'll being for the so called "good" of others.
@Kewlchiky I'm sorry are you actually saying that a child who is unable to be vaccinated for a reason that is completely out of their control should not be able to go outside because you CHOOSE to not vaccinate your children? So it's not enough that said child has to go through whatever it is that has kept them from being able to get vaccinated, they now shouldn't be able to attend school, go to the playground or eat at a restaurant because they can't rely on herd immunity because of your choices?
1) My kids have loads of friends and my unvaxxed son has never infected or killed anyone with "all the horrible diseases he apparently carries".
2) But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy.
3) If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears.
Sorry M16 to be lurking but I just can't help myself
I will attempt #3 because why not, though from my experience it's usually pointless
#1 While I am happy to hear that your children are well socialized and nobody that they may interact with regularly have gotten sick that you know of, you don't know the poor children that may be immunocompromised that your child may be interacting with on a daily basis.
Examples, park, zoo, children's museum, walking through a mall, Chuck E Cheese.....
#2 You do actually depend on heard immunity to keep your kids healthy, just like the parents to children that are immunocompromised depend that walking through a mall with their child they won't get sick.
If your child is so immuno compromised that that are at danger of being exposed to an unvaccinated kid then keep said child home. Vaccines are not a guarantee either. You can give your kid all the shots in the world but that doesn't mean he's immune. We've become a society where we rush to a shot to save us. And yes we need herd immunity but herd immunity does not exist anymore bc we have so much artificial immunity from vaccines. True herd immunity comes from coming in contact with the wild form of the disease. So Sorry, not sorry I'm not going to risk my child's life and we'll being for the so called "good" of others.
You are putting your child more at risk by NOT vaccinating them! Immune compromised people should stay home all the time because people like you don't vaccinate themselves? What about when they have to go to the doctor? I imagine they have to do that a lot.
You'll have to do some actual scientific method based research to realize you are putting your children and others at risk. Not sure what you should do about the lack of empathy.
Personally, I'm not completely against an alternate schedule. I would prefer my children to not have a lot of vaccines all at once. That way if they have a reaction, I would know what vaccine they reacted to. Otherwise, my children will receive the vaccines to any contagious illnesses. I would strongly recommend that you look into this.
It just boggles my flipping mind that SOME people refuse to vaccinate their children. Millions of people in third world countries is fighting to get the vaccine for their children and they can't even get it.
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My child has some pretty crazy and severe reactions to vaccines but she is still getting them. We're on a delayed schedule because of her reactions per her pediatrician, which makes me a nervous wreck she's going to come in contact with these diseases before she can get vaccinated. Now with this new little one I'm going to have two vulnerable children for a little while and be crossing my fingers there's still herd immunity where I live.
@Kewlchiky I'm sorry are you actually saying that a child who is unable to be vaccinated for a reason that is completely out of their control should not be able to go outside because you CHOOSE to not vaccinate your children? So it's not enough that said child has to go through whatever it is that has kept them from being able to get vaccinated, they now shouldn't be able to attend school, go to the playground or eat at a restaurant because they can't rely on herd immunity because of your choices?
I agree! I had leukemia as a child and had to have delayed vaccinations because of it. I can't imagine my mom having to stay home with me just because I wasn't vaccinated yet. She still had to take me to doctors appointments and she would take me with her when she took my sister places. Thank goodness for people that vaccinated their children and nothing serious happened to me.
I have another UO. I don't believe in giving my dog rabies shots. He really doesn't like it and it makes him afraid of the vet.
I hope that when I leave him outside, he doesn't come in contact with any rabid animals. But if by some chance he does catch rabies, I think it will be OK. Hopefully he won't give it to any of the other dogs at the dog park that I'm going to bring him too even though he has this disease.
I have another UO. I don't believe in giving my dog rabies shots. He really doesn't like it and it makes him afraid of the vet.
I hope that when I leave him outside, he doesn't come in contact with any rabid animals. But if by some chance he does catch rabies, I think it will be OK. Hopefully he won't give it to any of the other dogs at the dog park that I'm going to bring him too even though he has this disease.
Confession: I read the first paragraph and my blood started boiling. Then I saw the screen name and el oh el'd. Well played @lest12.
@Kewlchiky I'm sorry are you actually saying that a child who is unable to be vaccinated for a reason that is completely out of their control should not be able to go outside because you CHOOSE to not vaccinate your children? So it's not enough that said child has to go through whatever it is that has kept them from being able to get vaccinated, they now shouldn't be able to attend school, go to the playground or eat at a restaurant because they can't rely on herd immunity because of your choices?
All of this. Yes. Exactly. Why should some children have to live in a bubble because you refuse to vaccinate your children for... Some reason?
And going back to "natural" herd immunity is absurd. NO ONE wants to return to a time when polio was running rampant. But, OK
I have another UO. I don't believe in giving my dog rabies shots. He really doesn't like it and it makes him afraid of the vet.
I hope that when I leave him outside, he doesn't come in contact with any rabid animals. But if by some chance he does catch rabies, I think it will be OK. Hopefully he won't give it to any of the other dogs at the dog park that I'm going to bring him too even though he has this disease.
Also, hopefully your dog doesn't give you and your whole family rabies. Especially since it seems that maybe your whole family isn't vaccinated against rabies.
My UO is I don't want advice from someone unless I ask for it- mostly in regards to a couple of my co-workers. One of them especially has a habit of lecturing anyone she can get to stop for more than 5 seconds- and oh boy, don't get her started on breast feeding. Don't get me wrong, I love the idea of breast feeding, but as I had a chest reduction when I was 18 there is a possibility it won't happen so I don't need her making me feel like crap for that. Since it's so early (5 weeks today) I haven't told anyone outside of my parents, hubby and very best friend- but she is the person I'm least looking forward to finding out. I know a lot of the books and blogs I've read have said to take all the advice you can- but there are some people I just don't want it from.
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@yogahh I totally understand why you wouldn't do that! Luckily we have a nice neighborhood for the children so they are not talking to strangers, our schools even stay open and children can walk around and get candy from the teacher!
My UO: I can't stand people that don't pick up after their dogs. I didn't think this was unpopular, but apparently in my neighborhood it is.
Touche`
But just to be clear I have said nothing hateful to anyone who doesn't agree with me. Of course i sont want my kids to get sick. But I don't depend on the community or government to keep them healthy....that's mine and my husband's job.
If anyone wants a civilized and non bashing or name calling conversation about it I'm all ears. But I don't flinch anymore to the nastiness so......
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If your child is so immuno compromised that that are at danger of being exposed to an unvaccinated kid then keep said child home. Vaccines are not a guarantee either. You can give your kid all the shots in the world but that doesn't mean he's immune. We've become a society where we rush to a shot to save us. And yes we need herd immunity but herd immunity does not exist anymore bc we have so much artificial immunity from vaccines. True herd immunity comes from coming in contact with the wild form of the disease. So Sorry, not sorry I'm not going to risk my child's life and we'll being for the so called "good" of others.
That is all!
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I hope that when I leave him outside, he doesn't come in contact with any rabid animals. But if by some chance he does catch rabies, I think it will be OK. Hopefully he won't give it to any of the other dogs at the dog park that I'm going to bring him too even though he has this disease.
These gas prices and oil prices can suck it. I'm tired of worrying about if my husband is going to have a job or not every time he gets to come home.
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And going back to "natural" herd immunity is absurd. NO ONE wants to return to a time when polio was running rampant. But, OK
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