The joys of this is that people can post wherever they want. There's no rule saying you have to stick to a certain BMB. I'm sure when your 2 day old experinces gas and smiles that won't be an acceptable explanation either. Honestly just trying to help so when you go around telling people you felt your baby move at 9 or 10 weeks you are spared the eye rolls and laughs behind your backs. But then again why do I care? Oh I don't. Peace out Snowflakes.
I'm just loving that we can't have our beliefs but the "because science" people can. News flash- science is PEOPLE telling other people what they believe to be true and last time I checked, people can actually be wrong! Science has been disproven many times before. To each their own.
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I have never had a transvaginal ultrasound after 8 weeks. Yet have seen the baby just as clear, actually clearer than with the vaginal one. Imagine that.
"Because science" says I have absolutely no idea what I have felt in my own body....and with multiple pregnancies. "Because science" says that every uterus is the same - including first time pregnant uterus vs fifth time pregnant uterus and that every body is the same.
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I have never had a transvaginal ultrasound after 8 weeks. Yet have seen the baby just as clear, actually clearer than with the vaginal one. Imagine that.
Some OB's will sometimes do a transvaginal ultrasound after 8 weeks to check the length of the cervix. But a transvaginal u/s but is usually done before 8 weeks because baby is still too small to be seen through the stomach.
Ladies really? Stop! If someone said they felt it than get over it! Once again quoting science vs experience is sometimes overrated. Some womens uteruses also sit much higher!
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
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I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
lol I wonder what they would say to my nieces resent experience at summer camp where a girl paralyzed from birth due to meningitis contracted as an infant. got prayed over and than ran not walked ran for the first time in her life at age 15... go "because science" that. science is not a complete picture of what can happen. nor do even the top scientist know or understand everything there is to know about the world around us. anyone who has studied the body knows that there is still so much we do not know. I am amazed by my patients all the time and as a medical professional I have learned to never discredit anything a person has to say about their body now there are people who are misinformed like a patient of mine calling her trapizious muscle her deltoid. but do I scream and yell at them that they are wrong "because Science"? hell no i politely correct them and say oh well that is actually your trapizious muscle. muscle names and their general attachmets however a clear cut facts about the body when it comes to what one is feeling that is subjective evidence that can neither be proven or dis proven by science.
This. I'm glad my BMB actually has some logical people on it who understand how pregnancy actually works and don't go around claiming special snowflake syndrome... And just so you all know, in nursing school during my OB rotation I had to spend a week in an OB's office working closely with widwives and OB's and they told us we're required to tell mom's that we don't know what they are or aren't feeling and that if they think they're feeling baby they probably are even IF we know it's not possible that you're feeling baby. So no, your doctor telling you that you can feel the baby at 9 weeks does not mean a thing to me, and they probably laughed about you right after you left the office. JS.
This is your uterine height by gestational week of pregnancy. Remember your intestines go all the way down so gas can be felt anywhere around your uterus. There is no way to know whether you are feeling baby or gas until you are much farther along unless you physically see your baby moving on an ultrasound and feel corresponding movements...and even then it can be a total coincidence.
*Typos
I was going to post the same diagram. I still had to get a transvaginal unltrasound at 9weeks 4days. They can't even "see" the baby from the outside. So feeling any sort of movement is very very doubtful. However I feel like I'm jumping into this game late so....
I had a regular old ultrasound at 7 weeks 6 days and saw the baby clearly even the flickering heart beat. If we're going to use facts. "Just saying"
This. I'm glad my BMB actually has some logical people on it who understand how pregnancy actually works and don't go around claiming special snowflake syndrome... And just so you all know, in nursing school during my OB rotation I had to spend a week in an OB's office working closely with widwives and OB's and they told us we're required to tell mom's that we don't know what they are or aren't feeling and that if they think they're feeling baby they probably are even IF we know it's not possible that you're feeling baby. So no, your doctor telling you that you can feel the baby at 9 weeks does not mean a thing to me, and they probably laughed about you right after you left the office. JS.
This is your uterine height by gestational week of pregnancy. Remember your intestines go all the way down so gas can be felt anywhere around your uterus. There is no way to know whether you are feeling baby or gas until you are much farther along unless you physically see your baby moving on an ultrasound and feel corresponding movements...and even then it can be a total coincidence.
*Typos
I was going to post the same diagram. I still had to get a transvaginal unltrasound at 9weeks 4days. They can't even "see" the baby from the outside. So feeling any sort of movement is very very doubtful. However I feel like I'm jumping into this game late so....
I had a regular old ultrasound at 7 weeks 6 days and saw the baby clearly even the flickering heart beat. If we're going to use facts. "Just saying"
HEY ME TOO!! In fact the midwife couldn't find baby transvaginally and had to do abdominally at 7w6d. Very clear with the latter.
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DS2 - 7/4/14
DS3 - 2/21/16 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Our family of 5 is complete!! Love our boys!
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
Well I definitely believe in evolution, but I don't agree with cherry picking when you're going to vocally be hardcore "science" and when you're going to believe in other less scientifically proven things.
I too have been feeling movement and I'm 11.3 weeks. Been feeling it for a few days. This is my third baby. I don't agree with previous posters about it being gas. Gas typically isn't felt in your uterus/pelvic region.
Actually gas can be felt down there, after I had a d&c from a missed miscarriage I had horrible cramps And thought something happened during the procedure. Went right to the E.R and they did an exam and it was just gas and constipation. It was low where my uterus is so gas sidnt cross my min.My baby moves like crazy at the ultrasounds I have had (almost 12 weeks now) and have tried my hardest to feel movement and there's nothing. You probably just need to poop
Well I didn't just have a d&c, nor am I experiencing a m/c. Also I never mentioned anything about having severe cramping or constipation. I'm sorry you had a m/c- I've experienced one myself, and having gone through one makes me no expert in comparing my miscarriage to someone else saying they feel movement, it's not even related. And by the way-I was potty trained at 2, so I'm well aware of when I need to take a shit.
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
I am amazed by my patients all the time and as a medical professional I have learned to never discredit anything a person has to say about their body now there are people who are misinformed like a patient of mine calling her trapizious muscle her deltoid. but do I scream and yell at them that they are wrong "because Science"? hell no i politely correct them and say oh well that is actually your trapizious muscle. muscle names and their general attachmets however a clear cut facts about the body when it comes to what one is feeling that is subjective evidence that can neither be proven or dis proven by science.
Are we really supposed to take you seriously as a "medical professional" when you're arguing a point but can't even spell trapezius properly or use proper grammar? The hospital I work at wouldn't take you seriously if you can't spell the part of the body you're supposed to be working on correctly. As a "medical professional" anatomy is one of the basics you should have to a T, and spelling is extremely important when it comes to anatomy because one part of the body can literally be one letter off from a completely different one.
OH NO!! the grammar police have shown up folks looks like we are scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Cause nit picking someones spelling on social media makes a scientific point... ROFLMAO
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
I am amazed by my patients all the time and as a medical professional I have learned to never discredit anything a person has to say about their body now there are people who are misinformed like a patient of mine calling her trapizious muscle her deltoid. but do I scream and yell at them that they are wrong "because Science"? hell no i politely correct them and say oh well that is actually your trapizious muscle. muscle names and their general attachmets however a clear cut facts about the body when it comes to what one is feeling that is subjective evidence that can neither be proven or dis proven by science.
Are we really supposed to take you seriously as a "medical professional" when you're arguing a point but can't even spell trapezius properly or use proper grammar? The hospital I work at wouldn't take you seriously if you can't spell the part of the body you're supposed to be working on correctly. As a "medical professional" anatomy is one of the basics you should have to a T, and spelling is extremely important when it comes to anatomy because one part of the body can literally be one letter off from a completely different one.
Isn't there someone on your own BMB who you need to patrol for this kind of thing? Quickly, go! Someone might be misspelling something at this very instant!
Well gas is painful and you will take it out after feeling it so I don't think it's gas and after 10 w baby changes its position upper then the pulvic bone so I guess it's baby you won't feel anything lower anymore after that week at almost 3 months you can feel it, these what I know and just wanted to share..
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
Sure if someone already said this but… "Science" does not say "we came from monkeys", rather that humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. Sigh. Science education fail
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
Sure if someone already said this but… "Science" does not say "we came from monkeys", rather that humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. Sigh. Science education fail
Sigh. Actually science teaches evolution and that teaches the whole ape theory. However, the point in what I was saying is that basically everyone has their own belief system. Mine is that God created us. Furthermore, the thread was about when YOU can feel YOUR baby and I truly believe one woman cannot attempt to discredit another simply because of what she believes or has/hasn't experienced. To each their own.
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I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
Sure if someone already said this but… "Science" does not say "we came from monkeys", rather that humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. Sigh. Science education fail
Sigh. Actually science teaches evolution and that teaches the whole ape theory. However, the point in what I was saying is that basically everyone has their own belief system. Mine is that God created us. Furthermore, the thread was about when YOU can feel YOUR baby and I truly believe one woman cannot attempt to discredit another simply because of what she believes or has/hasn't experienced. To each their own.
As someone who teaches evolution... No, I don't teach my students that we came from apes. We share a common ancestor.
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
This!!! I was wondering the exact same thing! But then again, if they're as into science as they claim to be then we came from monkeys and how the hell could we feel our babies if that's true?!!! Lmao! )
Sure if someone already said this but… "Science" does not say "we came from monkeys", rather that humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. Sigh. Science education fail
Sigh. Actually science teaches evolution and that teaches the whole ape theory. However, the point in what I was saying is that basically everyone has their own belief system. Mine is that God created us. Furthermore, the thread was about when YOU can feel YOUR baby and I truly believe one woman cannot attempt to discredit another simply because of what she believes or has/hasn't experienced. To each their own.
As someone who teaches evolution... No, I don't teach my students that we came from apes. We share a common ancestor.
That's about 6 one way and half a dozen the other. Anyways, like I said, to each their own.
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Science is usually not to each their own. They don't teach creationism in school because it's not science, where evolution is.
I can concede that obviously science varies, as some ladies here have so passionately explained. No two women are alike so it's possible (and likely) for some women experience pregnancy differently.
Whether it's just their perceived perception or an actual occurrence, who knows and who are we to say? Some science isn't exact and I don't imagine this is easily measurable.
These posts are AWFUL. Be nice to each other! Someone just asks a simple question and people are ATTACKING each other! Get a life, moms. If this is "supporting" each other, I'm out. Enjoy your time being pregnant, ladies. Good grief.
Some of y'all are maybe too bored or unhappy - Have ya climaxed recently? Might be overdue.
Perhaps analyze why u feel the need to rain on other women's parade trying to disprove and bicker over what is not ur body- is just sad. Science is based on limited data. And is only a tiny insight to what is going on in a GENERAL level. Does not apply to every single person. That's just common sense.
Also, if you do climax after the initial cramping if u meditate on the vibration throughout ur body --- much like sonar, u can definitely feel the heartbeat in uterus! Won't work for everyone. But worth trying ) hahaha
At 10 weeks you likely can't feel your actual baby moving. There is so much going on down there that you can definitely feel something, like your body changing and the different feelings that go with that. Realistically it's not the baby because they are still far too small at this point and fully surrounded by fluid, they're just floating around in there. But if it really makes you feel that much better to ignore the fact that it's extremely unlikely and you'd rather two people you felt honest to goodness fetal movement at 10 weeks, I say go for it. This is my second, I can feel things right now just like I could with my first. Still doesn't mean it's the baby and logically it's not.
Science is not just people telling other people what they "believe" to be true. It's years of research, testing, studying, etc and coming up with an educated answer backed by facts. It's frightening that people don't understand that and would rather just believe whatever feelings anyone has regardless of if it even makes sense.
Saying "we come from apes" and "we have a common ancestor" mean the same thing is beyond ignorant. You can choose to believe whatever you want but blindly ignoring facts and saying something that totally incorrect is mind boggling.
There is a huge difference between having a belief system and just blindly believing everything you think. You can have a firm belief and still listen to reason and facts. There is no reason to be willingly ignorant.
If science is based on limited data I wonder what those 40+ extra pages in appendix were for my thesis that took me years of work to collect-
Based on the abuse my 32w pregnant friend is getting from her ninja I am happy to wait... I already pee every 2 hours I don't need anyone practicing kickboxing on my bladder thank you
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Wow I was under the impression that we were all here to be supportive of one another. I'm a ftm and I come here for support both from other first time mommas or wonderful ladies who have been through it before. It's so sad that the girl that posted this shared her experience and everyone is jumping down her throat telling her what she's feeling is impossible and she's wrong because science proved otherwise. Well someone on here said it wasn't possible to see the baby from the outside before 8 weeks but guess what I saw mine from the outside at 7w4d. Time to quit hating on others experiences just because we think it's impossible because we've never lived it. It was my impression this was a support group, not a bash you and make you feel like an idiot group. But hey, maybe that's just the counselor in me.
I have not felt anything that I can clearly distinguish as movement, and believe it's too early for me to feel anything (10w5d). There is so much going on down there - things moving around, muscles stretching, that yes I've felt odd/new things, but based on the information from my doctor and reading scientifically backed sources I personally believe that it's not movement, it's just my body adjusting. I'm looking forward to truly feeling movement in a clear way, so I can have that moment of knowing I'm feeling the first movement and not second-guessing if it's something else. But that's me, my personal perspective on it based on my experience so far.
I think those pointing to science are trying to present the realistic/logical side of things to prevent misinformation from being spread, which I appreciate. When I first saw this thread, my gut reaction was "oh no, I haven't felt any of that, is there something wrong with me? Wrong with the baby? Am I behind?" Etc. And seeing the information about "well, studies/science have shown X is what is normal" is both reassuring and helps me understand my body and this process a little bit more. Perhaps the tone didn't always come across the best way in the heat of the moment, but oh well, it doesn't bother me (and we're all hormonal and maybe more defensive than usual )
Bottom line, everyone has their own personal journey and experience and can share that experience how they wish. But at the same time, I think it's important to be aware of and measure experiences with what the "rule of thumb" (backed my science and medicine) is on things to better understand and evaluate what's going on with your body, and so that we're not spreading information that may be inaccurate (ie, making it seem like someone's unique experience is the norm, not saying that's what happened here, just generalizing) and misleading to those just lurking on the boards.
If science is based on limited data I wonder what those 40+ extra pages in appendix were for my thesis that took me years of work to collect-
Based on the abuse my 32w pregnant friend is getting from her ninja I am happy to wait... I already pee every 2 hours I don't need anyone practicing kickboxing on my bladder thank you
I'm sure you have noticed that the world is populated by millions. Science can't test every single human on earth, Love. Be realistic. Science does the best it can with the subjects it can get to run tests/study. Yes. 40+ pages is a lot but it is only a fraction of data compared to the billions of humans experiencing life on earth.. We can only speak from a general perspective not individual. Does that make sense?
If science is based on limited data I wonder what those 40+ extra pages in appendix were for my thesis that took me years of work to collect-
Based on the abuse my 32w pregnant friend is getting from her ninja I am happy to wait... I already pee every 2 hours I don't need anyone practicing kickboxing on my bladder thank you
I'm sure you have noticed that the world is populated by millions. Science can't test every single human on earth, Love. Be realistic. Science does the best it can with the subjects it can get to run tests/study. Yes. 40+ pages is a lot but it is only a fraction of data compared to the billions of humans experiencing life on earth.. We can only speak from a general perspective not individual. Does that make sense?
Wow condescending much?
This argument is the reason we end up.with so many special snowflakes... which is a contradiction in itself....
A rugby playing scientist and educator who is looking to solve metabolic and age related diseases through research
Jumped in the bath earlier and felt baba for first time ... I'm now 12 weeks due for scan tomorrow but am sure I'm further along lol .... I was 19 weeks with my first when I felt him move and yet again it was in the bath ... take it my kids don't like me washing lol xxxx
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Some OB's will sometimes do a transvaginal ultrasound after 8 weeks to check the length of the cervix. But a transvaginal u/s but is usually done before 8 weeks because baby is still too small to be seen through the stomach.
*side eyes 1st trimester board*
I have no horse in this race but I wonder if some of the science gals believe in God.
Too deep?
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Married 10/13/12
TTC Since 8/2016
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Our family of 5 is complete!! Love our boys!
Me: 29 DH: 31
Married 10/13/12
TTC Since 8/2016
Are we really supposed to take you seriously as a "medical professional" when you're arguing a point but can't even spell trapezius properly or use proper grammar? The hospital I work at wouldn't take you seriously if you can't spell the part of the body you're supposed to be working on correctly. As a "medical professional" anatomy is one of the basics you should have to a T, and spelling is extremely important when it comes to anatomy because one part of the body can literally be one letter off from a completely different one.
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Sure if someone already said this but…
"Science" does not say "we came from monkeys", rather that humans and monkeys have a common ancestor. Sigh. Science education fail
Science is usually not to each their own. They don't teach creationism in school because it's not science, where evolution is.
I can concede that obviously science varies, as some ladies here have so passionately explained. No two women are alike so it's possible (and likely) for some women experience pregnancy differently.
Whether it's just their perceived perception or an actual occurrence, who knows and who are we to say? Some science isn't exact and I don't imagine this is easily measurable.
Me: 29 DH: 31
Married 10/13/12
TTC Since 8/2016
Perhaps analyze why u feel the need to rain on other women's parade trying to disprove and bicker over what is not ur body- is just sad.
Science is based on limited data. And is only a tiny insight to what is going on in a GENERAL level. Does not apply to every single person. That's just common sense.
At 10 weeks you likely can't feel your actual baby moving. There is so much going on down there that you can definitely feel something, like your body changing and the different feelings that go with that. Realistically it's not the baby because they are still far too small at this point and fully surrounded by fluid, they're just floating around in there. But if it really makes you feel that much better to ignore the fact that it's extremely unlikely and you'd rather two people you felt honest to goodness fetal movement at 10 weeks, I say go for it. This is my second, I can feel things right now just like I could with my first. Still doesn't mean it's the baby and logically it's not.
Science is not just people telling other people what they "believe" to be true. It's years of research, testing, studying, etc and coming up with an educated answer backed by facts. It's frightening that people don't understand that and would rather just believe whatever feelings anyone has regardless of if it even makes sense.
Saying "we come from apes" and "we have a common ancestor" mean the same thing is beyond ignorant. You can choose to believe whatever you want but blindly ignoring facts and saying something that totally incorrect is mind boggling.
There is a huge difference between having a belief system and just blindly believing everything you think. You can have a firm belief and still listen to reason and facts. There is no reason to be willingly ignorant.
Based on the abuse my 32w pregnant friend is getting from her ninja I am happy to wait... I already pee every 2 hours I don't need anyone practicing kickboxing on my bladder thank you
I think those pointing to science are trying to present the realistic/logical side of things to prevent misinformation from being spread, which I appreciate. When I first saw this thread, my gut reaction was "oh no, I haven't felt any of that, is there something wrong with me? Wrong with the baby? Am I behind?" Etc. And seeing the information about "well, studies/science have shown X is what is normal" is both reassuring and helps me understand my body and this process a little bit more. Perhaps the tone didn't always come across the best way in the heat of the moment, but oh well, it doesn't bother me (and we're all hormonal and maybe more defensive than usual
Bottom line, everyone has their own personal journey and experience and can share that experience how they wish. But at the same time, I think it's important to be aware of and measure experiences with what the "rule of thumb" (backed my science and medicine) is on things to better understand and evaluate what's going on with your body, and so that we're not spreading information that may be inaccurate (ie, making it seem like someone's unique experience is the norm, not saying that's what happened here, just generalizing) and misleading to those just lurking on the boards.
Just my two cents...
This argument is the reason we end up.with so many special snowflakes... which is a contradiction in itself....