I know the only way to tell 100% is a test, but until then we'd like to know what you guys think. You're well versed in ultrasounds and the like, right?
Someone I know had her dating ultrasound on March 25, and it dated the pregnancy at 13 weeks and 1 day along with a due date of Sept. 29.
She last had sex with this guy on Dec. 21. She's not sure if she stopped before that, but definitely no later.
So, what do you think the chances are that he's the father? Remember that ultrasounds at 13 weeks can be off 8 days (as far as I know, what have you read?), and sperm can be found in the woman's system for up to 7 days.
Her current due date gives her a conception date of around Jan. 6th so if that's accurate it's impossible, but we want to consider worse case scenario with ultrasound being off the maximum days and sperm living 7 days as well.
I have complete anonymity here, so why would I lie and say it's a friend? If it were me, I'd say it was me.
She had sex with three guys in December. With the first guy she stopped around the beginning of Dec. so he's out 100%. The second guy she stopped on or before the 21st, and that's the guy I'm talking about.
The third guy she had sex with well after the 21st and into January.
Obviously the 3rd guy is the most likely by a lot, but I'm asking how likely you find the second guy just by himself, regardless of the others.
Her due date and dating ultrasound gives a conception date of about Jan. 6th, so how likely is it that sex from Dec. 21 could cause that pregnancy, considering 13 week ultrasounds can be off 8 days either direction and sperm can live 7 days? I know you aren't wizards with crystal balls, just asking for what you think the likelihood is.
And am I right that 13 week ultrasounds can be 8 days off? And that sperm can live 7 days?
I will help. Sperm can only live 5 days and that is in a perfect cervical fluid environment. I have never heard of a 13 week ultrasound being off by 8 days, but I'm not an ultrasound expert.
I don't want to sound like an ass, but why does this matter? The most succinct way to tell paternity is to do a blood test from the infant when he/she is born.
Early ultrasounds (around 6-8 weeks) are fairly accurate. She should alert all three gentlemen (or however many) & then have them each submit samples.
This "friend" might also consider functional birth control and double up on it.
She just have to deal with it... who the father is, is not important as long as she love the child... who needs a father and a ultrasound is never wrong...... Hope she stop stress and be happy is most important.. And as a friend stand by her all the best
My cousin requested those that are still on this thread to assign a percentage to the chance that you think the 1st guy has of being the father. She's number oriented, so I said I'd ask.
And since it is your friend, I will judge. 3 men in 1 month? She needs to use condoms. Pregnancy goes away after 9 months, but HIV is the gift that lasts for ever.
If they say her date of conception is plus or minus 8 days from January 6th, YOU do the math.
Sperm will only survive 5 days, which means they're dead around December 26th if the last time she had sex with Bachelor number #2 was the 21sr. Even if they survived 8 days, which isn't possible, they're dead the 29th.
Bachelor #1 is I guess outside the timeline.
So who do you think that leaves?
That leaves Bachelor #3. Ding, ding, ding.
**I'm not a doctor, she needs to do a paternity test & be tested for STDs.
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OP, let's be grown ups here. Either you should woman up & admit it's YOUR situation, or she should woman up and take responsibility for what goes into/ comes out of her vagina.
FF should really be more specific. In addition to the Insemination/Sex field, there should be an option for 'Partner'. The developers could then add a feature to chart the partners alongside your temperatures and CM.
FF should really be more specific. In addition to the Insemination/Sex field, there should be an option for 'Partner'. The developers could then add a feature to chart the partners alongside your temperatures and CM.
FF should really be more specific. In addition to the Insemination/Sex field, there should be an option for 'Partner'. The developers could then add a feature to chart the partners alongside your temperatures and CM.
They could call it the Samatha edition (from SITC just in case anyone doesn't get the reference).
My cousin requested those that are still on this thread to assign a percentage to the chance that you think the 1st guy has of being the father. She's number oriented, so I said I'd ask.
Thanks.
Numbers oriented? Assign a percentage? I'm 99.99% sure this is MUD.
@Everycol0r did all the math for youIMeanForYourFriend, all the math you could have done yourself. What more do you need? If date of conception is on or around January 6, the dude she boned on December 21st is NOT the guy, especially considering she was boning some other dude well into January. Come on, now. Isn't that guy so much more likely??
That being said, I feel less sorry for youIMeanYourFriend and more sorry for that dude. And for all the other dudes who were sharing her vag. Yikes.
If it had been me, I would have gotten an abortion.
If you'd read through the first post again, you'll see I was factoring in more than just the conception date. I was asking how off ultrasounds could be, since if it's more than 8 days, that muddies the waters quite a bit since sperm can live 7 days (some say 5, but I was going with worst case scenario).
So I wasn't asking if 16 day old sperm could cause a pregnancy. I figured people might know how accurate 13 week ultrasounds might be on a pregnancy web site. If it's 3 or 5 days, the guy can't be the dad. 8 days or more? Could very well be the guy.
Is your friend trying to avoid doing a paternity test at all? Because that is clearly the only way to know. And she should be honest with the trifecta she was banging and letting them know that they could potentially be the father.
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There will be a DNA test...as I have said several times. And there's only two guys who can be the father. The 1st guy can't unless his sperm can survive a month.
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Early ultrasounds (around 6-8 weeks) are fairly accurate. She should alert all three gentlemen (or however many) & then have them each submit samples.
This "friend" might also consider functional birth control and double up on it.
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Andplusalso you know far too many deets of your "friend's" sexual habits.
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And since it is your friend, I will judge. 3 men in 1 month? She needs to use condoms. Pregnancy goes away after 9 months, but HIV is the gift that lasts for ever.
If they say her date of conception is plus or minus 8 days from January 6th, YOU do the math.
Sperm will only survive 5 days, which means they're dead around December 26th if the last time she had sex with Bachelor number #2 was the 21sr. Even if they survived 8 days, which isn't possible, they're dead the 29th.
Bachelor #1 is I guess outside the timeline.
So who do you think that leaves?
That leaves Bachelor #3. Ding, ding, ding.
**I'm not a doctor, she needs to do a paternity test & be tested for STDs.
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OP, let's be grown ups here. Either you should woman up & admit it's YOUR situation, or she should woman up and take responsibility for what goes into/ comes out of her vagina.
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That being said, I feel less sorry for youIMeanYourFriend and more sorry for that dude. And for all the other dudes who were sharing her vag. Yikes.
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