We vaccinate! Although I must admit when DD was born I did a lot of research because you start hearing stories, and it's not easy to tell scientific studies which are valid versus the other anecdotal stories out on the web.
I just felt like people were implying I was trying to start trouble and I wasn't at all. There were quite a few posts that alluded I was uneducated and silly for even weighing the options! Next:)
I just felt like people were implying I was trying to start trouble and I wasn't at all. There were quite a few posts that alluded I was uneducated and silly for even weighing the options! Next:)
Perhaps because you posted a hot topic with a very vague OP. It's like walking into a group of strangers and saying, "So Politics, how about Obama." and then having nothing conversation wise to bring to the table. Your next comment was saying "holy hormones" and again provided no details to the conversation. All of your follow up has been snide little remarks and you have yet to bring anything to the table. Usually when you want to have a very controversal conversation you bring things to said conversations, not just vague one liners and then act like a toddler when people respond. If you have done research and are still debating the pros and cons it seems you would have some type of material to bring into play here.
Now, let me come in with the first ACTUAL hormonal response in this thread..
You lovely ladies got me all teared up with how civil this thread was kept! Very proud of this group right now, all mature and well-thought out responses to such a controversial topic that normally ends in heated debate with bans included. This thread is a good example of how this is supposed to go!
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On topic: I will be vaccinating my children, as well as my husband who is way behind on his boosters (hasnt recieved any since '03 because his mom was lax in making him go). I'll also be getting any vaccines that are beneficial to baby before baby is born. There's too many pros to count, and no cons to speak of, so I dont see any reason why I wouldnt protect my precious little perfect being. Of course, if she ends up having reactions to the shots we'll go with a delayed schedule. We'll do whatever is best for her, based on scientific research that has been done. I honestly dont think I could live with myself if I refused a vaccine and my baby ended up getting some awful disease.
Now, I know this is an odd example as it may come off as comparing my baby to my dog (who honestly is just my furry baby), but our pup has had an adverse reaction to her rabies vaccine. We took her into the vet right away and they gave her pain medication there to take the edge off as well as gave us a bottle of pain killers to give her as needed. Did it suck? Yes, I hate seeing my pup in pain. Would rabies have sucked more? Yes, because rabies would mean death. She's now on a slightly altered vaccine scedule so we can spread them out more to prevent such big reactions, and will be getting 3-year shots instead of 1-year ones so she doesnt have to deal with anywhere near as often. Now, dont go saying its just a dog, because I bawled my eyes out for literally days when she was in pain. I'd be crying a whole lot more if she were to pass away due to rabies or distemper, though, so even if there is a harsh reaction in the person or animal recieving the shots, its managable, where death due to not getting the vaccines isnt managable.
Ok....I'm not saying this is all true so don't get all defensive but it's just a few things I've read that make me wonder........1.)Formaldehyde, classified as a human carcinogen by Internal Agency for Research on Cancer and a probable carcinogen by the U.S. EPA, is used in many vaccines along with aluminum which scares me. 2.)Between 1900 and 1935, mortality rates due to whooping cough dropped by 79 percent in the United States. Yet, the vaccine (DTP and DTaP) wasn’t introduced until 1940. 3.) Even the Mayo Clinic – a bastion of mainstream medicine – states that, “vaccine failure has become increasingly apparent.” 4.) Makers of the Tripedia vaccine for DTaP state that certain outcomes are so frequent that they had to list them. These reactions include:
• Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) • Anaphylactic reaction • Cellulitis (a bacterial skin infection) • Autism • Convulsion/Seizures • Brain dysfunction • Low muscle tone and strength • Nerve damage • Hyperventilation/apnea
I will precede this by saying I am not a doctor, but some things to keep in mind.
1) Formaldehyde. The poison is in the dose. The human body itself makes formaldehyde. How much formaldehyde is in a vaccine in comparison to the greatest recommended daily dose?
2) This is not surprising to me. General hygiene (access to running water, for instance) improved greatly in the early 20th century. Does not mean the vaccine is not effective.
3) Can you provide a reference for this? Does this refer to things like Tdap and measles or more seasonal things like the flu? (which can "fail" because it does not protect against all strains of the flu).
4) I believe that any sort of reaction to a drug, even if it cannot be proven to be caused by the drug, has to be listed by a drug manufacturer. Yes, there are people that have reactions to vaccines and cannot get them. It is very rare. And it is all the more reason for people who can get vaccines to get them to maintain herd immunity.
@bucher1s, thank you for providing specifics! Even though I have no reservations about vaccines, it really helps to have details to add to the conversation.
I thought this chart was interesting regarding the rate of pertussis. Yes it did fall before the vaccine was introduced. After it was introduced, it fell to almost zero.
My son is up to date on his on his but I used an alternative scheduale. You may pay more co pays but I just didn't let him get more than one at once. (If he were to have an allergic reaction I just would want to know what it was) I just didn't like the idea of his tiny body taking on so much at once. I rescheduled his appointment if he had any hint of sickness the day of the shot and would nurse him round the clock the few days after he received them. These were things that just felt right to me. I also did not start his vaccines right away either. I was home with for the first 4 months and he was my first. I go back and forth as to what I will do with my daughter seeing that having a toddler in the same home as a newborn changes things. I have done a fair amount of research and I do wish certain things were changed with vaccines, but decided that the pros still outway the cons.
Welp, looks like you lovely ladies have covered everything, with your usual eloquence (no throat jumping or raging hormones here, IMO). No need for me to contribute, except that I want to also add that while I typically opt out of the yearly flu vaccine (only because no one in my family is high-risk), this September all three of us will be trucking it over to a CVS to get the 2015-2016 edition. Also, all extended family who plans to stay with us or spend any extended period of time with LO this fall will be getting the vaccine.
Side note: I never Bump on my Mac, but I think that's my new preferred method, because some of these siggies are out of control (@bbiutmcphand @brooklynbroussard)
( Should I change mine? If it's irritating I totally will.
No!! Baby sloth is the best thing ever. 'Out of control' = awesome. Sorry for the cyber confusion. I forgot you couldn't actually see my two thumbs way way up
Ok....I'm not saying this is all true so don't get all defensive but it's just a few things I've read that make me wonder........1.)Formaldehyde, classified as a human carcinogen by Internal Agency for Research on Cancer and a probable carcinogen by the U.S. EPA, is used in many vaccines along with aluminum which scares me. 2.)Between 1900 and 1935, mortality rates due to whooping cough dropped by 79 percent in the United States. Yet, the vaccine (DTP and DTaP) wasn’t introduced until 1940. 3.) Even the Mayo Clinic – a bastion of mainstream medicine – states that, “vaccine failure has become increasingly apparent.” 4.) Makers of the Tripedia vaccine for DTaP state that certain outcomes are so frequent that they had to list them. These reactions include:
• Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS) • Anaphylactic reaction • Cellulitis (a bacterial skin infection) • Autism • Convulsion/Seizures • Brain dysfunction • Low muscle tone and strength • Nerve damage • Hyperventilation/apnea
Yay! Thank you for sharing some specifics.
1) yes, some ingredients are scary, but keep in mind that they are teeny tiny doses that do not cause harm. Being vaccinated isn't going to give you cancer from the formaldehyde. Our bodies are amazing machines that get rid of toxins in small quantities. Have you ever painted your nails? Most nail polish contains formaldehyde too. Aluminum is in most deodorant. Aluminum cans leech aluminum in to the beverage. Neither deodorant nor canned beverages can save our lives, but vaccines do. So maybe have your child wear aluminum free deodorant and never allow them to have canned beverages and this will reduce their aluminum load much, much, much more significantly and safely than opting out of vaccines.
2) true, medical advancements and technological advancements led to a decrease in many diseases even before their vaccines were created. Looking at data after the creation of specific vaccines you will see those percentages drop to almost zero! Many diseases are on the rise again because of the fear of autism and other misinformation. Herd immunity is suffering and that also allows diseases to mutate to the point where the vaccine is no longer effective! Talk about SCARY! When herd immunity is achieved, diseases do not have a chance to mutate and therefore are not a threat to public health.
3) this goes back to lack of herd immunity and allowing pathogens to mutate. Pathogens are extremely quick to mutate; they are excellent survivors. This is all the more reason for people to vaccinate. We cannot eradicate diseases without enough of the population vaccinating. Measles was a non-issue in the U.S. Until herd immunity was compromised by anti-vaxxers. The flu shot specifically does have the potential to fail yearly because the CDC has to guess which 3 (or 4 for the quadrivalent) strains of flu will hit each season. It is a very thoroughly researched and educated guess on their part and they are right more often than they are wrong, but no guesswork is foolproof. Generally, at least partial immunity can be gained from the wrongly guessed flu shot.
4) every single medication and vaccination has risks. Just remember that the risk is extremely low/unlikely, where the risk after contracting certain diseases is highly likely to have a bad outcome. The first time you give your child any medication whatsoever there is a risk of them having a bad reaction. Would you not give your child antibiotics for a bad infection because there is a chance they could be deathly allergic to it? Probably not, right? It's all about probabilities and the probabilities highly favor vaccinations as life-saving tools.
Side note: I wrote "you" or "your" a lot and this is not directed at YOU, but rather at anyone in general
thanks @BrooklynBroussard. I feel like this is the one topic where I turn into Kermit at the typewriter (I would post it but trying to gif is intimidating to me). I try to be reasoned and calm and explain things, but mostly I just want to yell "SCIENCE!!!"
thanks @BrooklynBroussard. I feel like this is the one topic where I turn into Kermit at the typewriter (I would post it but trying to gif is intimidating to me). I try to be reasoned and calm and explain things, but mostly I just want to yell "SCIENCE!!!"
I feel the exact same way about this subject. It actually makes me stabby ragey crazy. But I'm just sooo... tired. Tired of trying to sell science to people who don't believe in it. The thing about people who don't believe in scientific facts and logical reasoning, is that you just simply can't "reason" with them. Because their decision is fear based, they are incredibly emotional and logic can't seem to penetrate. They almost become more entrenched in their views.
I think there is actual research that presenting people with scientific facts (whether it be about vaccines, or GMO's, or global warming) does nothing to change their views. It's actually really depressing to me.
For any fellow podcast nerds like me, this is a really interesting listen. It's a show by a doctor and her husband, and it focuses on medical history (but in a non-boring way). It goes through the history of immunization and specifically the measures people would go to in order to keep their families from getting sick from things we can easily prevent today.
ok I'm going to try one... gotta love Neil deGrasse Tyson.
eta: oh I'm so excited that worked. I can gif!
I am OBSESSED with NDT. Everything about his mind and logic is so sexy. Screw beauty, I think scientists are sexy as hell. I could listen to him burn foolish people all day long.
I love him. Cosmos was my favorite. and I loved him on Colbert
I'm glad my baby is going to be born at a time when so many other people have this attitude about vaccines. it is really reassuring to see so many people who want to vaccinate. good job everybody.
I'll be getting the flu shot while pregnant and my child will get vaccines. Not only to protect the child, but to protect those that cannot get vaccines who are genuinely sick (immunocompromised). My husband got shingles at age 25 and the FDA won't approve anyone under like age 65 to get the shingles vaccine and it was awful for him. I'd hate to see a child go through something preventable.
I'll be getting the flu shot while pregnant and my child will get vaccines. Not only to protect the child, but to protect those that cannot get vaccines who are genuinely sick (immunocompromised). My husband got shingles at age 25 and the FDA won't approve anyone under like age 65 to get the shingles vaccine and it was awful for him. I'd hate to see a child go through something preventable.
I'm all for vaccines, but flu shot isn't one I usually get, for the sole reason that the flu strain has been mutating quite fast, and the effect rate varies by far too much.
I think now a days with illnesses coming back due to not vaccinating, if you plan on sending your kids to daycare/ any type of school in the future you will need to have them fully vaccinated. At least in my area it doesn't really seem like much of a choice (that I personally agree with) unless you home school and are a stay at home mama
Not every issue is black and white. In the 80s kids only got 23 doses of vaccines now they get 49. That does seem excessive to me. Especially when we all turned out fine. The doc tells you not to feed your baby peanuts for the first six months but you can get several vaccines before then. It is something that makes me very nervous considering our health care system is for profit. I will be vaccinating my child but I will be possibly doing it on a slower schedule and opting out of the chicken pox vaccine. There are studies out that lean toward exposing you kid to certain things to help build up immunities. Either way, it is smart to educate yourself and ask questions. The answer may not lean completely one way or the other.
Not every issue is black and white. In the 80s kids only got 23 doses of vaccines now they get 49. That does seem excessive to me. Especially when we all turned out fine. The doc tells you not to feed your baby peanuts for the first six months but you can get several vaccines before then. It is something that makes me very nervous considering our health care system is for profit. I will be vaccinating my child but I will be possibly doing it on a slower schedule and opting out of the chicken pox vaccine. There are studies out that lean toward exposing you kid to certain things to help build up immunities. Either way, it is smart to educate yourself and ask questions. The answer may not lean completely one way or the other.
Just want to say that while yes, in the usa healthcare is for profit, this is not the case in many other countries. Yet in those other countries kids still get the same amount of vaccines.
In the stoneages we had no healthcare, is it ok to say they all turned out fine? Life expactancy is growing, while infant deaths are dwindling. Both are a good trend in my book! Its just scientific advancements that allow for more vaccines as new things are discovered in a quick pace. We should be thankful for that. Take chickenpox, i had them as a child and its one of the only things i vividly remember from that age because it was so horrible. If i can make sure my baby girl doesnt go through that, i sure as heck will!
The 80s were not the stone ages the last time I checked. I also had chicken pox and I don't remember it at all. There is a pic with me having them though and I was smiling in it. My point is that never exposing a child to anything can lead to low immunities and allergies. Back to my black and white point. No one in the 80s had mumps or measles or polio. Also there were less kids with learning disabilities and autism. I don't know why this is but questioning what is put into our child's body is a healthy thing. I am in the military, once I got sent to Turkey, I had to get shots to go there. Anthrax, a series of three shots. One a month for three months. I got two and then they ran out of shots. They were like, oh you will be fine don't worry. I was fine but I also realized that all of this may not be as necessary as they lead you to believe. Finally we live in a society where our children and adults are highly over medicated, it's not to much of a stretch to think that we might be slightly over vaccinated.
Also, every country has a different vaccine schedule. Sometimes because you are more likely to be exposed to different things in each country. Also, we get the most vaccines of any country and in England the chicken pox vaccine is only given if specially requested. They also vaccinated children slower than we do.
Not every issue is black and white. In the 80s kids only got 23 doses of vaccines now they get 49. That does seem excessive to me. Especially when we all turned out fine. The doc tells you not to feed your baby peanuts for the first six months but you can get several vaccines before then. It is something that makes me very nervous considering our health care system is for profit. I will be vaccinating my child but I will be possibly doing it on a slower schedule and opting out of the chicken pox vaccine. There are studies out that lean toward exposing you kid to certain things to help build up immunities. Either way, it is smart to educate yourself and ask questions. The answer may not lean completely one way or the other.
Our health care is free in Canada, vaccines are free. Children start getting vaccines at 2 months then 4,6,12 then 2, then when they are 4 before they start school, then in grade 4 they get the hep b shots(3) of them, then grade 7 they give a few more, and other then that the rest like rubella vaccine, tdap need to be repeated every so many years....
The 80s were not the stone ages the last time I checked. I also had chicken pox and I don't remember it at all. There is a pic with me having them though and I was smiling in it. My point is that never exposing a child to anything can lead to low immunities and allergies. Back to my black and white point. No one in the 80s had mumps or measles or polio. Also there were less kids with learning disabilities and autism. I don't know why this is but questioning what is put into our child's body is a healthy thing. I am in the military, once I got sent to Turkey, I had to get shots to go there. Anthrax, a series of three shots. One a month for three months. I got two and then they ran out of shots. They were like, oh you will be fine don't worry. I was fine but I also realized that all of this may not be as necessary as they lead you to believe. Finally we live in a society were or children and adults are highly over medicated, it's not to much of a stretch to think that we might be slightly over vaccinated.
Autism is linked to genetics, pesticides and chemicals while pregnant, not vaccines... There's actually no link of autism to vaccines what so ever !
. No one in the 80s had mumps or measles or polio. Also there were less kids with learning disabilities and autism.
I'm sorry but this isn't true , Sadly I'm old enough to remember the 80's and I remember being sent home from school because of a mumps outbreak. The article below (among others) confirms this also.
@abaume I get your points, I do. But have you considered that there's more people with learning disablities and autism now than in the 80s because people are just more aware and know more about these things? Taking my mom as an example, she only recently found out that she is indeed autistic. Sure, she was a 60s child, but it does go to show that we are diagnosing more people even though they've had whatever diagnosis we give them their entire lives. That said, I also think we've come to an era where everyone gets a label and I dont think thats quite neccesary either. They dont force you to take any medication for these diagnosis though. My husband was diagnosed with ADHD as a kid and his parents didnt have him on any pills, he's doing very good without them. I myself have the same diagnosis of ADHD, only I got the words stamped on my when I was 20. I opted out of medication as well since I feel its managable.
Learning disabilities, autism or ADHD arent dangerous diseases though, they just make a person a little different from the norm. I do feel like thats an important difference to point out.
Yes, every country has a different vaccine schedule, but most will give you the same ones in the end. You can opt for a delayed schedule here as well, if you request it. Where I'm from, health care isnt free, but its not for profit either. We get the same amount of shots as you do in the USA. And while England doesnt force the chicken pox vaccine, it is actually highly encouraged. Or at least it was when I was living there with my ex-fiance and his two little girls.
In short, there are more diseases that are being prevented now. I think this is a good thing!
Personally, I also had chicken pox and ended up fine. But I now have the possibility of shingles in the future, as does everyone who has had chicken pox. The chicken pox vaccine will also prevent shingles, so my children will be getting it.
I agree that never exposing a child to things that it's immune system needs to fight against will lead to allergies. But, aren't vaccines exposing your child's immune system to things it needs to fight against, but also in a dose that it is sure to win, unlike actually contracting something like pertussis or measles?
Yes, very few people got measles in the 1980's. Unfortunately, that number is rising. When people don't vaccinate their children, herd immunity decreases, and the number of cases rise.
I totally get what you are saying. I am just pointing out that even though science has enlightened us on many things there is still a lot that is a mystery. We are fatter and sicker as a society now than 20 years ago. It's true that awareness and actually properly diagnosing people has an influence on that number. I am just concerned about the amount of vaccines put into a tiny human at such an early age. My line of thought also gels with the fact that antibiotics have stopped working as well because people are over using them. This also has to do with the antibiotics put into our meat. Now there are super bugs. Science can take things to far, even if it doesn't mean to. My main point was it is good to question. I don't want to put my child or anyone else's in danger.
@devonsd315 I completely agree with what you are saying and I will be vaccinating my child. My only point is that due to the fact that kids get almost twice as many doses now than they did in the 80s, maybe that is cause for concern. Especially since there is a lot of money to be made off of these vaccines.
@abaume Again, you make good points, and I actually agree with a lot of what you're saying. Obesity is a rising problem in the first world, and we do need to remedy that I fully agree. I do think, however, that this is not related to science getting further ahead. It seems to be mostly attributed to foods that are bad for us being cheap and readily available. It's a lot more effort to be healthy than it is to just order the 5th pizza of the week. Personally Id like for the FDA to hammer down on companies profiting from poor food choices people make, but thats a conversation for another day.
It is a concerning thought to think of a tiny baby getting all these shots. I dont think I've met a mom that smiles while her little one is crying and getting those needled poked into him or her. The comparison with antibiotics isnt quite right though, I dont think. Bacteria are different from a virus, and a vaccine works by making our bodies create the means to fight a specific virus, while antibiotics do the work for us. One teaches our body how to fight for itself while the other does the work for us. I'm not a fan of the frequency in which antibiotics are prescribed either, and I dont like taking them unless really neccesary.
Oh, and in case my responses come off as "mean" or "bullying", please know that thats not what Im trying to do at all! Im merely trying to have a good conversation about this topic with someone that shares some viewpoints and differs on other fronts I like a nice, friendly discussion!
@mollypuss1 That is only because people did not vaccinate their kids. My point was the 23 doses that the kids who did get vaccinated worked. Why so many extra doses now? I am not against vaccines just concerned about the amount doubling!
oh I totally agree with you about antibiotics. They are way over prescribed. However, the mechanisms of vaccines and antibiotics are very very different. Vaccines work by exposing to your body to a weakened or dead pathogen so your body has future immunity against that pathogen. Antibiotics work by killing or stopping a bacteria from reproducing.
I must admit, I also have a hard time with an objection to vaccines being that there is so much money to be made off of them. I have two brothers who are doctors in the military, and I can tell you that they aren't making a dime more if one of their patients decides to vaccinate their children. They will still tell you to vaccinate. I have a sister-in-law who is a scientist who is working on a lab test to help detect genes that indicate a higher risk for breast cancer. If her work is successful, her company will be able to market it and will make money from it. Does that mean she is working really hard every day just because she is hoping for some future windfall? I don't think so, I think she is working hard because she cares about her work and hopes it will make a difference.
I guess my point is that just because someone is making money off of something, doesn't mean that is the only reason they are doing it. Most people who go to work every day in the healthcare fields do it because they care about their patients and want to improve public health. They also want to feed their families and pay off their enormous medical school debt. So please don't ascribe ulterior motives to a doctor who recommends your child get vaccines.
@amberrmariee20 I clearly said I do not know why there are more cases of autism now. I just said that the doubling of doses concerns me considering we only received 23 in the 80s and now kids get double. I agree that what's in our food probably causes most of this. My point was we in general seem to have more health issues now than in the 80s and maybe the doubling of vaccine doses is cause for concern.
Re: Vaccines
2.)Between 1900 and 1935, mortality rates due to whooping cough dropped by 79 percent in the United States. Yet, the vaccine (DTP and DTaP) wasn’t introduced until 1940.
3.) Even the Mayo Clinic – a bastion of mainstream medicine – states that, “vaccine failure has become increasingly apparent.”
4.) Makers of the Tripedia vaccine for DTaP state that certain outcomes are so frequent that they had to list them. These reactions include:
• Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS)
• Anaphylactic reaction
• Cellulitis (a bacterial skin infection)
• Autism
• Convulsion/Seizures
• Brain dysfunction
• Low muscle tone and strength
• Nerve damage
• Hyperventilation/apnea
No!! Baby sloth is the best thing ever. 'Out of control' = awesome. Sorry for the cyber confusion. I forgot you couldn't actually see my two thumbs way way up
1) yes, some ingredients are scary, but keep in mind that they are teeny tiny doses that do not cause harm. Being vaccinated isn't going to give you cancer from the formaldehyde. Our bodies are amazing machines that get rid of toxins in small quantities. Have you ever painted your nails? Most nail polish contains formaldehyde too. Aluminum is in most deodorant. Aluminum cans leech aluminum in to the beverage. Neither deodorant nor canned beverages can save our lives, but vaccines do. So maybe have your child wear aluminum free deodorant and never allow them to have canned beverages and this will reduce their aluminum load much, much, much more significantly and safely than opting out of vaccines.
2) true, medical advancements and technological advancements led to a decrease in many diseases even before their vaccines were created. Looking at data after the creation of specific vaccines you will see those percentages drop to almost zero! Many diseases are on the rise again because of the fear of autism and other misinformation. Herd immunity is suffering and that also allows diseases to mutate to the point where the vaccine is no longer effective! Talk about SCARY! When herd immunity is achieved, diseases do not have a chance to mutate and therefore are not a threat to public health.
3) this goes back to lack of herd immunity and allowing pathogens to mutate. Pathogens are extremely quick to mutate; they are excellent survivors. This is all the more reason for people to vaccinate. We cannot eradicate diseases without enough of the population vaccinating. Measles was a non-issue in the U.S. Until herd immunity was compromised by anti-vaxxers. The flu shot specifically does have the potential to fail yearly because the CDC has to guess which 3 (or 4 for the quadrivalent) strains of flu will hit each season. It is a very thoroughly researched and educated guess on their part and they are right more often than they are wrong, but no guesswork is foolproof. Generally, at least partial immunity can be gained from the wrongly guessed flu shot.
4) every single medication and vaccination has risks. Just remember that the risk is extremely low/unlikely, where the risk after contracting certain diseases is highly likely to have a bad outcome. The first time you give your child any medication whatsoever there is a risk of them having a bad reaction. Would you not give your child antibiotics for a bad infection because there is a chance they could be deathly allergic to it? Probably not, right? It's all about probabilities and the probabilities highly favor vaccinations as life-saving tools.
Side note: I wrote "you" or "your" a lot and this is not directed at YOU, but rather at anyone in general
In the stoneages we had no healthcare, is it ok to say they all turned out fine? Life expactancy is growing, while infant deaths are dwindling. Both are a good trend in my book! Its just scientific advancements that allow for more vaccines as new things are discovered in a quick pace. We should be thankful for that. Take chickenpox, i had them as a child and its one of the only things i vividly remember from that age because it was so horrible. If i can make sure my baby girl doesnt go through that, i sure as heck will!
I am in the military, once I got sent to Turkey, I had to get shots to go there. Anthrax, a series of three shots. One a month for three months. I got two and then they ran out of shots. They were like, oh you will be fine don't worry. I was fine but I also realized that all of this may not be as necessary as they lead you to believe.
Finally we live in a society where our children and adults are highly over medicated, it's not to much of a stretch to think that we might be slightly over vaccinated.
Our health care is free in Canada, vaccines are free. Children start getting vaccines at 2 months then 4,6,12 then 2, then when they are 4 before they start school, then in grade 4 they get the hep b shots(3) of them, then grade 7 they give a few more, and other then that the rest like rubella vaccine, tdap need to be repeated every so many years....
Autism is linked to genetics, pesticides and chemicals while pregnant, not vaccines... There's actually no link of autism to vaccines what so ever !
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/autism-spectrum-disorder/basics/causes/con-20021148
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK52068/?report=reader