Gender vs sex

batgirl11688 · June 2015

ladies this is just out of control let's stop this here and now. Frankly yeah it could happen that the unborn child will think it's born into wrong gender but seriously do we need to crawl up expectant mothers butts to correct them on this matter!? I'm over it. It's obnoxious. Gender sex what ever it is all the same. 20 years ago this wasn't an issue. Raising kids today has made an ugly, ridiculous turn. Let's all just be realistic. Logic over heart. Be grounded. Get a grip ladies!!!

FemShep · June 2015

meltwithyou said:

batgirl11688 said:

ladies this is just out of control let's stop this here and now. Frankly yeah it could happen that the unborn child will think it's born into wrong gender but seriously do we need to crawl up expectant mothers butts to correct them on this matter!? I'm over it. It's obnoxious. Gender sex what ever it is all the same. 20 years ago this wasn't an issue. Raising kids today has made an ugly, ridiculous turn. Let's all just be realistic. Logic over heart. Be grounded. Get a grip ladies!!!

If you're over it, then why post this? Some of the women here are trying to educate others because language does matter. And gender and sex are not the same thing. I can be biologically a woman (sex) and be completely androgynous (gender). I can biologically be a man (sex) and identify as a woman (gender). I could be intersexed (sex) and androgynous (gender).

I've never seen people get mean when correcting others. I have seen them point out that the proper term is sex when speaking about your child's genitalia. If you are reading a tone in their response, well, that's one of the downfalls of the internet. And one of the reasons why we need to be specific with our language. :-)

This exactly. Just because we were a less tolerant, less educated society 20 years ago doesn't mean we should stay that way. If you don't want to be corrected, use the correct terminology.

SaltyMcNulty · June 2015

FemShep said:

meltwithyou said:

batgirl11688 said:

ladies this is just out of control let's stop this here and now. Frankly yeah it could happen that the unborn child will think it's born into wrong gender but seriously do we need to crawl up expectant mothers butts to correct them on this matter!? I'm over it. It's obnoxious. Gender sex what ever it is all the same. 20 years ago this wasn't an issue. Raising kids today has made an ugly, ridiculous turn. Let's all just be realistic. Logic over heart. Be grounded. Get a grip ladies!!!

If you're over it, then why post this? Some of the women here are trying to educate others because language does matter. And gender and sex are not the same thing. I can be biologically a woman (sex) and be completely androgynous (gender). I can biologically be a man (sex) and identify as a woman (gender). I could be intersexed (sex) and androgynous (gender).

I've never seen people get mean when correcting others. I have seen them point out that the proper term is sex when speaking about your child's genitalia. If you are reading a tone in their response, well, that's one of the downfalls of the internet. And one of the reasons why we need to be specific with our language. :-)

This exactly. Just because we were a less tolerant, less educated society 20 years ago doesn't mean we should stay that way. If you don't want to be corrected, use the correct terminology.

I mean, if 20 years ago was so great, let's go back to putting car seats in front seats, giving babies rice cereal in bottles to help them STTN, and smoking during pregnancy is a-okay.

bbiutmcph · June 2015

batgirl11688 said:

ladies this is just out of control let's stop this here and now. Frankly yeah it could happen that the unborn child will think it's born into wrong gender but seriously do we need to crawl up expectant mothers butts to correct them on this matter!? I'm over it. It's obnoxious. Gender sex what ever it is all the same. 20 years ago this wasn't an issue. Raising kids today has made an ugly, ridiculous turn. Let's all just be realistic. Logic over heart. Be grounded. Get a grip ladies!!!

Twenty years ago a lot of offensive racist terms or derogatory terms were also used. Should we just continue to be ignorant and use those as well. This line of thinking just irritates the crap out of me. Terms and words change as we positively grow as a society. You can be part of the continued problem or part of the positive change. I prefer to live in the now and grow as I learn and educate myself, not stick my fingers in my ears and go lalalalala I am going to do what I want.

PugsandKisses · June 2015

Yeah, and 20 years ago calling some one a fag and retarded was acceptable. *

Guess what, those words are offensive. Gender does not equal sex. It offends me.

* just typed out to prove a point. It hurt me to type out those two words.

contourhands · June 2015

I'm Sorry... But how is "fag" or "retarded" equivalent to referring to someone's sex? This might be sound shocking but having a different viewpoint on sex doesn't equal "hate".... ... Obviously there is hate out there but not all who disagree with the gender claim are in that vote so I'm just going to say it... I cam love all people and still let you know that when my little boy asks... I'm letting him know he is a male. Point blank and unapologetic. We all have the right to raise our kids how we want.... I just hope some of you learn the difference between "hate" and different opinions.

wassuphoes · June 2015

contourhands said:
I'm Sorry... But how is "fag" or "retarded" equivalent to referring to someone's sex?
This might be sound shocking but having a different viewpoint on sex doesn't equal "hate"....

... Obviously there is hate out there but not all who disagree with the gender claim are in that vote so I'm just going to say it... I cam love all people and still let you know that when my little boy asks... I'm letting him know he is a male. Point blank and unapologetic. We all have the right to raise our kids how we want.... I just hope some of you learn the difference between "hate" and different opinions.

Gender is societal and Sex is biological.

If you choose to believe that Trans gender individuals do not exist, that's on you, but quite honestly there is nothing wrong with people correcting misuse of clinical terms. And a Trans woman has every right to be offended if you refer to her as a male.

Changing our language and speech habits is hard. No one is saying it isn't. But it's been pointed out thousands of ways why people find using gender in place of sex is offensive. At this point, it really should just be courtesy and base respect to use the terms properly.

NoSugarCoating · June 2015

"Gender =/= sex" is not an opinion.

PrimRoseMama · June 2015

contourhands said:
I'm Sorry... But how is "fag" or "retarded" equivalent to referring to someone's sex?
This might be sound shocking but having a different viewpoint on sex doesn't equal "hate"....

... Obviously there is hate out there but not all who disagree with the gender claim are in that vote so I'm just going to say it... I cam love all people and still let you know that when my little boy asks... I'm letting him know he is a male. Point blank and unapologetic. We all have the right to raise our kids how we want.... I just hope some of you learn the difference between "hate" and different opinions.

What will you say if your son identifies as female?

groovylocks · June 2015

Doctors still use the word gender. Basically, for everybody's sanity, I will use gender and sex in tandem until my child tells me otherwise. Neither matter in my house anyway. You can wear what you want, play with the toys you want and live life how you want. But I will not call my child an it until they come to conclusions on their gender identity either. So you have to use pronouns regardless. You're bound by the humanity of your kid. (Seriously calling your kid an it is child abuse.) so maybe, just maybe, semantics are less important than what you DO to put semantics in proper context. Also, some people you scold don't speak English as a first language. Seriously do you all nag your partners like this?? Pick your battles....

groovylocks · June 2015

PrimRoseMama said:

I'm Sorry... But how is "fag" or "retarded" equivalent to referring to someone's sex? This might be sound shocking but having a different viewpoint on sex doesn't equal "hate".... ... Obviously there is hate out there but not all who disagree with the gender claim are in that vote so I'm just going to say it... I cam love all people and still let you know that when my little boy asks... I'm letting him know he is a male. Point blank and unapologetic. We all have the right to raise our kids how we want.... I just hope some of you learn the difference between "hate" and different opinions.
What will you say if your son identifies as female?

Discuss it and adjust accordingly. When your kid asks, will you tell him or her they're an "it"? Or when talking about them and they're in earshot? Kids aren't stupid. If you accept them they'll know it. Regardless of pronouns. Words mean very little in the presence of consistent actions.

cdepperschmidt · June 2015

I use gender and sex interchangeably and I mean no disrespect to the LGBT community as I have family as friends who are members. HOWEVER, my son will wear boys clothes and be given boys toys until HE communicates that he wants differently. If at 3 he wants to put on his cousin dress ups then fine. If in his teen years he identifies as something else, that's fine too. But as a parent I have to provide him some sort of starting pointing to figure out what he likes and dislikes.

Alyllyra · June 2015

groovylocks said:
Doctors still use the word gender. Basically, for everybody's sanity, I will use gender and sex in tandem until my child tells me otherwise. Neither matter in my house anyway. You can wear what you want, play with the toys you want and live life how you want. But I will not call my child an it until they come to conclusions on their gender identity either. So you have to use pronouns regardless. You're bound by the humanity of your kid. (Seriously calling your kid an it is child abuse.) so maybe, just maybe, semantics are less important than what you DO to put semantics in proper context.

Also, some people you scold don't speak English as a first language.

Seriously do you all nag your partners like this?? Pick your battles....

I don't speak English as a first language and I learned the difference in 30 seconds. Enlighting =/= scolding.

Alyllyra · June 2015

Edit: Double post, sorry!

NoSugarCoating · June 2015

groovylocks said:

Doctors still use the word gender. Basically, for everybody's sanity, I will use gender and sex in tandem until my child tells me otherwise. Neither matter in my house anyway. You can wear what you want, play with the toys you want and live life how you want. But I will not call my child an it until they come to conclusions on their gender identity either. So you have to use pronouns regardless. You're bound by the humanity of your kid. (Seriously calling your kid an it is child abuse.) so maybe, just maybe, semantics are less important than what you DO to put semantics in proper context. Also, some people you scold don't speak English as a first language. Seriously do you all nag your partners like this?? Pick your battles....

I don't need to. He doesn't use the word "gender" when he means "sex."

YogaSandy · June 2015

contourhands said:
I'm Sorry... But how is "fag" or "retarded" equivalent to referring to someone's sex?
This might be sound shocking but having a different viewpoint on sex doesn't equal "hate"....

... Obviously there is hate out there but not all who disagree with the gender claim are in that vote so I'm just going to say it... I cam love all people and still let you know that when my little boy asks... I'm letting him know he is a male. Point blank and unapologetic. We all have the right to raise our kids how we want.... I just hope some of you learn the difference between "hate" and different opinions.

It doesn't matter if people have a "different opinion" on gender vs sex. Science. Those people are wrong - because of science.

And yes, it is offensive. However, I don't think most people who make the mistake are trying to be offensive - that's the great thing about pointing it out and correcting them. It's all about education.

And there were tonnes of things that were "ok" 20 years ago - doesn't mean they still didn't offend people.

YogaSandy · June 2015

And no, I don't call my son it. I call him he. I am referring to his sex when I use the pronoun. I am not referring to his gender. We don't know his gender yet. Most (I forget the exact statistic) people do identify as the same gender as their sex. If my son ever tells me he IDs as female, I will start using she right away.

Also - calling a child it is no where near child abuse. That analogy demeans those who have been abused.

contourhands · June 2015

This exactly....we are talking about babies and kids here, ladies my son calls himself superman... I don't think we need to specify here and yes totally different situation for adults.

contourhands · June 2015

this is all besides the point...to be honest the original post was dealing with h unborn babies and people acting overly pc. If her post truly offends you I really think it's a bit silly as she said nothing about adults or her feelings about adults who are old enough to claim a different gender than their sex. That's all, I hope there is no hard feelings..., and I do hope you all are having a good pregnancy so far.

contourhands · June 2015

Sorry double post lol

PugsandKisses · June 2015

No one is worries about you offending your unborn offspring. It is offensive to adults today.
why do people not understand that? The word may have been socially correct, but it is not longer so.

Some words start out out, but 'morph ' into hateful or offense terms.

History lesson. The word nigg*r, (another word I hate), started off as a term to refer to people from the Niger river area or Nigeria. Which is where a majority of slaves where from. So it was like calling some one Irish or Chinese. It then slowly morphed into a words that is full of hatred, violence and cruelty.

If you walked up and called some one a nigg*r, and argued that it is referring to a home country from 200 years ago, and that it is not offense. .. then you deserve to be slapped for your ignorance.

If people are telling that using 'gender' to your describe your fetus' sex organs is offense to the 10% of the community that is LGBT (plus it's supporters and loved ones ), why are you arguing?

Some Dr still use 'retarded ' to describe a person's mental capacity. This term is not longer accurate, nor is a diagnosis code. Yet they still do it, they are still wrong. They needed to be (gently) corrected. And yes, I correct them.

mrwphillips · June 2015

***FAIR WARNING***

If you have no skin or you get your feelings hurt easily, keep scrolling. I don't play the sugar-coating game that everyone today seems to need to do in order to appease each and every idiot who walks this planet. If you are expecting me to be "politically correct", please just skip on.

I find it hilarious how this has jumped from a discussion about determining what your baby is to a discussion of racial slurs. This is nuts. Now I know why people have warned me away from these discussion boards so many times, but I swear its like a train wreck--I can't help but look at the drama everyone starts and perpetuates. So I'll play for a moment because I have nothing better to do this morning.

In my world, I use the term "gender" when in polite company. If I am talking with my husband, I'll say "sex" because its just us talking. I do not equate "gender" with the whole LGBT thing because, quite frankly, its not my world, and I don't get all touchy-feely about other peoples feelings. This whole PC thing about how those in that community "must be accepted for who they are" is a load of crap. If someone that is LGBT wants something, and they don't get it because the person providing the product/service doesn't believe in their lifestyle--goodness me, lets sue the shit out of these people for being intolerant of our lives! But turn it the other way around and have someone LGBT refuse service to someone who isn't, and no one bats a dam eye.

Case in point, Oregon v. Klein, in which a baker denied to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because it is against the baker's religious beliefs. The baker gets sued, is forced to close their business, bakes out of their home, receives death threats and bricks through the windows of said home, and then is ordered to pay an ungodly amount of money. Then you have that flip side: a gay baker who refused to make a cake for a Christian couple's wedding because "its against her beliefs" and "Christianity is unnatural and weddings are supposed to be secular, therefore baking them a wedding cake would go against my strongly held humanist beliefs." Has the state pressed charges against them? No, because they have a right to refuse service. But apparently, if you refuse service to a LGBT person, its considered discrimination. So in all this mess, you tell me where your tolerance is.

That all being said--I don't care which term you want to use. I do not equate gender with whatever some person wants to "identify" as. If you are born with a penis, you are a male, plain and simple. If you are born with a vagina, you are female. If you, by some act of nature, are born with both, you are a neither male nor female, but BOTH. My child will not be brought up with this whole "you can be a boy/girl if you want" mentality; they are one or the other, period. I do not believe in the transgender/gender-fluid/pangender/etc movement; I think a lot of it is teenagers going through a phase where they don't know what they want, and the rise in social media and PC bullshit has made it acceptable and perpetuated it. And do NOT preach to me about being insensitive; I have a close friend who is involved in this, and its no secret. I will say that if you have a LEGITIMATE disorder that could cause you to identify as multiple people, such as disassociative identity disorder, then yes, there are probably days you might feel like the opposite sex if you have an opposite-sex identity.

Now that I've ranted on a bit, here's another little tid-bit: we will be having a GENDER-REVEAL PARTY to announce the SEX of our baby to family and close friends.

Good day.

YogaSandy · June 2015

mrwphillips said:
***FAIR WARNING***
If you have no skin or you get your feelings hurt easily, keep scrolling. I don't play the sugar-coating game that everyone today seems to need to do in order to appease each and every idiot who walks this planet. If you are expecting me to be "politically correct", please just skip on.

I find it hilarious how this has jumped from a discussion about determining what your baby is to a discussion of racial slurs. This is nuts. Now I know why people have warned me away from these discussion boards so many times, but I swear its like a train wreck--I can't help but look at the drama everyone starts and perpetuates. So I'll play for a moment because I have nothing better to do this morning.

In my world, I use the term "gender" when in polite company. If I am talking with my husband, I'll say "sex" because its just us talking. I do not equate "gender" with the whole LGBT thing because, quite frankly, its not my world, and I don't get all touchy-feely about other peoples feelings. This whole PC thing about how those in that community "must be accepted for who they are" is a load of crap. If someone that is LGBT wants something, and they don't get it because the person providing the product/service doesn't believe in their lifestyle--goodness me, lets sue the shit out of these people for being intolerant of our lives! But turn it the other way around and have someone LGBT refuse service to someone who isn't, and no one bats a dam eye.

Case in point, Oregon v. Klein, in which a baker denied to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because it is against the baker's religious beliefs. The baker gets sued, is forced to close their business, bakes out of their home, receives death threats and bricks through the windows of said home, and then is ordered to pay an ungodly amount of money. Then you have that flip side: a gay baker who refused to make a cake for a Christian couple's wedding because "its against her beliefs" and "Christianity is unnatural and weddings are supposed to be secular,
therefore baking them a wedding cake would go against my strongly held
humanist beliefs." Has the state pressed charges against them? No, because they have a right to refuse service. But apparently, if you refuse service to a LGBT person, its considered discrimination. So in all this mess, you tell me where your tolerance is.

That all being said--I don't care which term you want to use. I do not equate gender with whatever some person wants to "identify" as. If you are born with a penis, you are a male, plain and simple. If you are born with a vagina, you are female. If you, by some act of nature, are born with both, you are a neither male nor female, but BOTH. My child will not be brought up with this whole "you can be a boy/girl if you want" mentality; they are one or the other, period. I do not believe in the transgender/gender-fluid/pangender/etc movement; I think a lot of it is teenagers going through a phase where they don't know what they want, and the rise in social media and PC bullshit has made it acceptable and perpetuated it. And do NOT preach to me about being insensitive; I have a close friend who is involved in this, and its no secret. I will say that if you have a LEGITIMATE disorder that could cause you to identify as multiple people, such as disassociative identity disorder, then yes, there are probably days you might feel like the opposite sex if you have an opposite-sex identity.

Now that I've ranted on a bit, here's another little tid-bit: we will be having a GENDER-REVEAL PARTY to announce the SEX of our baby to family and close friends.

Good day.

The only part I am going to touch is the baking discrimination. I have no idea what the laws are in the U.S. None. But, in Canada, yes, it is illegal to discriminate against people and refuse to sell to the because they are LGBT - even if it is against your religious beliefs. If you are a business open to the public, you cannot do that. It is illegal. There was a case about a year ago in Nova Scotia where the florist agreed to do the flowers for a wedding. Then she found out it was a gay wedding. What she did was illegal. I did not read any follow up, so I'm not sure what happened after that. Now, flip side, if an LGBT baker (florist etc) refused to sell for a Christian wedding - that is still illegal. Exact same premise. It is discriminating against someone based on their religion, which is also illegal. Same thing - your beliefs are protected, but once you open a business to the public, you cannot discriminate based on sex, race, religion or orientation. Those rights are entrenched in our constitution under Charter of Rights and Freedoms. It protects everyone.

Tl:Dr - no. Both ways are protected. LGBT cannot discriminate against non members.

NoSugarCoating · June 2015

@mrwphillips yeah, you might want to find another forum. We're not required to tolerate your intolerance.

FemShep · June 2015

I just don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. Gender =/= sex. To use them interchangeably is factually incorrect. People correct you because using the wrong terms is upsetting to a significant number of the population. These are facts. Just because you feel more comfortable ignoring the facts doesn't make them less true. So if you want to be the kind, considerate, supportive person you berate others for *not* being, use the terms correctly. End of discussion.

FemShep · June 2015

mrwphillips said:

***FAIR WARNING***
If you have no skin or you get your feelings hurt easily, keep scrolling. I don't play the sugar-coating game that everyone today seems to need to do in order to appease each and every idiot who walks this planet. If you are expecting me to be "politically correct", please just skip on.

I find it hilarious how this has jumped from a discussion about determining what your baby is to a discussion of racial slurs. This is nuts. Now I know why people have warned me away from these discussion boards so many times, but I swear its like a train wreck--I can't help but look at the drama everyone starts and perpetuates. So I'll play for a moment because I have nothing better to do this morning.

In my world, I use the term "gender" when in polite company. If I am talking with my husband, I'll say "sex" because its just us talking. I do not equate "gender" with the whole LGBT thing because, quite frankly, its not my world, and I don't get all touchy-feely about other peoples feelings. This whole PC thing about how those in that community "must be accepted for who they are" is a load of crap. If someone that is LGBT wants something, and they don't get it because the person providing the product/service doesn't believe in their lifestyle--goodness me, lets sue the shit out of these people for being intolerant of our lives! But turn it the other way around and have someone LGBT refuse service to someone who isn't, and no one bats a dam eye.

Case in point, Oregon v. Klein, in which a baker denied to make a wedding cake for a lesbian couple because it is against the baker's religious beliefs. The baker gets sued, is forced to close their business, bakes out of their home, receives death threats and bricks through the windows of said home, and then is ordered to pay an ungodly amount of money. Then you have that flip side: a gay baker who refused to make a cake for a Christian couple's wedding because "its against her beliefs" and "Christianity is unnatural and weddings are supposed to be secular, therefore baking them a wedding cake would go against my strongly held humanist beliefs." Has the state pressed charges against them? No, because they have a right to refuse service. But apparently, if you refuse service to a LGBT person, its considered discrimination. So in all this mess, you tell me where your tolerance is.

That all being said--I don't care which term you want to use. I do not equate gender with whatever some person wants to "identify" as. If you are born with a penis, you are a male, plain and simple. If you are born with a vagina, you are female. If you, by some act of nature, are born with both, you are a neither male nor female, but BOTH. My child will not be brought up with this whole "you can be a boy/girl if you want" mentality; they are one or the other, period. I do not believe in the transgender/gender-fluid/pangender/etc movement; I think a lot of it is teenagers going through a phase where they don't know what they want, and the rise in social media and PC bullshit has made it acceptable and perpetuated it. And do NOT preach to me about being insensitive; I have a close friend who is involved in this, and its no secret. I will say that if you have a LEGITIMATE disorder that could cause you to identify as multiple people, such as disassociative identity disorder, then yes, there are probably days you might feel like the opposite sex if you have an opposite-sex identity.

Now that I've ranted on a bit, here's another little tid-bit: we will be having a GENDER-REVEAL PARTY to announce the SEX of our baby to family and close friends.

Good day.

I see. So what you're saying is that you're a disgusting bigot who doesn't give a fuck about the feelings of people who aren't exactly like you, and is so comfortable in your ignorance and intolerance that you're willing to ignore science because your narrow view of the world can't handle it. (Highlighting mine). Yeah, GTFO.

YogaSandy · June 2015

On top of it - let's ignore for a second that it's insensitive to trans people - sex is biological and gender is a social construct. What it means to be female is different in North America than the Middle East. Why? Because gender is societal. It means the exact same thing to have a canyons in both places (that's sex - it's physical or biological). It does not mean the same thing to be female (that's gender and societal). Or, it meant a much different thing back in history. Women weren't considered people under the law in Canada until 1929 - again - societal construct of gender. Not sex. 1928 - women aren't people. 2015 - women are people. 1928 - females have vaginas. 2015 - women have vaginas. Sex was the same in all cases. Gender wasn't.

PrimRoseMama · June 2015

It makes me incredibly sad that bigotry, ignorance & hate like that diatribe up there still exist.

(

If I didn't read it with my own eyes I'd congratulate us on being forward thinking as a society.

Apologies to anyone that was hurt by those words above. My world is that of love & acceptance of all my LGBTQ brothers & sisters. :x

YogaSandy · June 2015

PrimRoseMama said:
It makes me incredibly sad that bigotry, ignorance & hate like that diatribe up there still exist. (

If I didn't read it with my own eyes I'd congratulate us on being forward thinking as a society.

Apologies to anyone that was hurt by those words above. My world is that of love & acceptance of all my LGBTQ brothers & sisters. :x

I agree. I totally get that many people don't know or realize the difference. Hell, I "knew" the difference between the words, but still used the words interchangeably until someone pointed it out to me. Then I was like, right, that makes total sense and stopped doing it.

And I also hate (it was mentioned somewhere above) the belief that trans is a choice! Not a choice. A "boy" doesn't just wake up one day and say, "you know what, I think I'll be a girl!" Grrrr. That's not how it works.

Just to point out (obviously it doesn't matter) - I am straight, I know very few (out) gay people, and no trans people (that are openly trans). I still support inclusive and appropriate language.

thegingeravenger · June 2015

Here's my two cents - these arguments as to why learning proper terminology isn't worth it, want to know who else uses them? My incredibly racist father. The majority of society agrees that my father's views are warped now, but in the past they were accepted as normal. We're on the cusp of change now. I choose to be on the side opposing ignorance.

nlwz123 · June 2015

groovylocks said:

Doctors still use the word gender. Basically, for everybody's sanity, I will use gender and sex in tandem until my child tells me otherwise. Neither matter in my house anyway. You can wear what you want, play with the toys you want and live life how you want. But I will not call my child an it until they come to conclusions on their gender identity either. So you have to use pronouns regardless. You're bound by the humanity of your kid. (Seriously calling your kid an it is child abuse.) so maybe, just maybe, semantics are less important than what you DO to put semantics in proper context. Also, some people you scold don't speak English as a first language. Seriously do you all nag your partners like this?? Pick your battles....

That is simply not true. We have 2 questions we generally ask patients when assessing their demographics: what is your sex, and what is your gender, signifying that they can be different.

BlueWaffleSpeshul · June 2015

FemShep said:

I just don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. Gender =/= sex. To use them interchangeably is factually incorrect. People correct you because using the wrong terms is upsetting to a significant number of the population. These are facts. Just because you feel more comfortable ignoring the facts doesn't make them less true. So if you want to be the kind, considerate, supportive person you berate others for *not* being, use the terms correctly. End of discussion.

I'm just leaving this here so this awesome gif can be here twice.

batgirl11688 · June 2015

Well can we just say that this all got exxagerrated? It's a tiny bit absurd that hate was brought into this. I started this post because I was venting and now I feel attacked by the community. Some of you weren't very nice. You got the wrong idea from my original post and I apologize I just found the whole topic silly. Some people made really good points but others overreacted. I never meant to offend anyone. But when if my child is a girl I'm going to buy some pink stuff and vice versa. The sex is whatever parts come attached in my opinion. And if somewhere down the road my boy decides he's a she I will be supportive of my child!

wassuphoes · June 2015

batgirl11688 said:

Well can we just say that this all got exxagerrated? It's a tiny bit absurd that hate was brought into this. I started this post because I was venting and now I feel attacked by the community. Some of you weren't very nice. You got the wrong idea from my original post and I apologize I just found the whole topic silly. Some people made really good points but others overreacted. I never meant to offend anyone. But when if my child is a girl I'm going to buy some pink stuff and vice versa. The sex is whatever parts come attached in my opinion. And if somewhere down the road my boy decides he's a she I will be supportive of my child!

That's what everyone has been saying!

Sex is how they pee. Gender is everything else which really manifests later in life. No one has said don't buy pink, just to use the word Sex instead!

QueenWaldorf2 · June 2015

I seriously can't believe the willful ignorance in this thread.
Why would you consciously use the improper term knowing you could be offending others?
I'm with @thegingeravenger and will be choosing the side opposing ignorance.

SaltyMcNulty · June 2015

cdepperschmidt said:

I use gender and sex interchangeably and I mean no disrespect to the LGBT community as I have family as friends who are members. HOWEVER, my son will wear boys clothes and be given boys toys until HE communicates that he wants differently. If at 3 he wants to put on his cousin dress ups then fine. If in his teen years he identifies as something else, that's fine too. But as a parent I have to provide him some sort of starting pointing to figure out what he likes and dislikes.

WTF is a "boy toy"? Trucks? Things that are blue? Because there's no such thing as a "boy's" toy or a "girl's." My son plays with baby dolls and kitchen and trucks and dinosaurs.

NoSugarCoating · June 2015

batgirl11688 said:

Well can we just say that this all got exxagerrated? It's a tiny bit absurd that hate was brought into this. I started this post because I was venting and now I feel attacked by the community. Some of you weren't very nice. You got the wrong idea from my original post and I apologize I just found the whole topic silly. Some people made really good points but others overreacted. I never meant to offend anyone. But when if my child is a girl I'm going to buy some pink stuff and vice versa. The sex is whatever parts come attached in my opinion. And if somewhere down the road my boy decides he's a she I will be supportive of my child!

It's not.

My cousin is transgender. Do you know the average life expectancy of a transgendered person? About 30 to 32. It seems like every month or so, my cousin is posting about losing another transgender friend to suicide. Words have consequences, even if you don't mean to be hateful.

NoSugarCoating · June 2015

batgirl11688 · June 2015

K just need to say one more thing.. Ya'll are taking this shi* wayyyy too seriously

bbiutmcph · June 2015

batgirl11688 said:

K just need to say one more thing.. Ya'll are taking this shi* wayyyy too seriously

You are not taking it serious enough. It saddens me that people just ignore being educated on something and continue to be completely ignorant on an issue thus making themselves look asinine. It's not that hard to say, "Wow, I was unaware of this and thank you for educating me so I will not offend people in the future and look foolish."

batgirl11688 · June 2015

Yawn.

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