August 2015 Moms

Sorry but not sorry

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  • chavemann10chavemann10 member
    edited May 2015

    MalonT23 said:

    Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young.  My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support.  The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids.  My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to  growing up without insurance, scary).


    I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits.  I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love.  I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born. 

    I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,?  Would we be taken away from our mom?  Lots of questions that I really ^^^THIS!!   With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system.  You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
    And there are people who are dying waiting for approval for SSI/SSDI who are truly disabled.

    MalonT23 said:

    Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young.  My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support.  The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids.  My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to  growing up without insurance, scary).


    I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits.  I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love.  I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born. 

    I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,?  Would we be taken away from our mom?  Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.  

    Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation.  We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.  

    I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.  
    ^^^THIS!!   With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system.  You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
    Just because you don't see something is wrong with a person doesn't mean they aren't sick. My mom has Crohn's disease and arthritis and is unable to work, but if you just saw her you probably wouldn't know. You really shouldn't judge that harshly period, it was very difficult for her to get on disability in the first place.

    I'm not meaning it like that.  I am a medic and when I pick up a person who has NO medical history, but still has disability, then yes, I believe they are abusing the system.  I have an aunt who is on disability and had to fight for it, even though she is unable to walk without assistance, and is on oxygen 100% of the time.  She is 80yrs old and they had a whole list of paperwork for her doctor to fill out in order to get disability.  Then because she got it, her teacher retirement benefits went down.  I'm not saying just because someone doesn't "look" disabled, doesn't mean they aren't.  What I'm saying is if you have NOTHING wrong with you and are getting disability because your doctor helped you out...SHAME!  I judge those people harshly!
    People don't just get disability... Are they blind? Do they have a brain injury Significant mental health? I don't believe they have NO medical history. Do you have any idea how much paperwork, documentation, testing goes into a Ssi/SSDI application? Everyone (just about) gets turned down the first time and has to appeal. Everyone gets reviewed every two years and has to once again defend why they need it. People are dying waiting to get approved. People are losing their homes, their children etc while they wait.
    Yes, I am fully aware of all of this, as we have to do it routinely with my aunt, who is dying, and we still have to buy her groceries because her teacher retirement was cut when she started receiving disability. It's a horrible system.  But, YES, I do know for a fact of 3 people in the same family that I personally deal with that are on it and DO NOT have any reason to be on it.  The most significant health problem that 1 of them has is type 2 diabetes, which they are on medication for, but I am usually called out because they haven't taken their insulin and have eaten themselves into a diabetic coma yet again.  They are the type of people I am speaking of.  Not the ones who truly need it. 

    And this is not to say that type 2 diabetics don't have significant health problems that they are disabled from.  This particular person chooses not to take their medication (that is paid for by the government) and chooses to buy sugary foods that put them into the situation I described above.  To me, lack of common sense should not be considered a disability!!



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  • Nbar815 said:

    When I watch people selling their food stamps for cash instead of getting food with it. Not ok.

    YOU CANNOT EVEN SELL YOUR FOOD STAMPS ANYMORE; they come on a card, I work at a grocery store, so the claims ypu male are completely lacking any evidence.
    Where I live in NC they still do paper food stamps in some situations. We have a guy who does odd jobs for my father in law who's tried to sell us his food stamps so he could buy cigarettes.
  • Say what ever you guys want. Imglad their putting a stop to so many people using the system and they are passing it As of July 2016. So you can complain all you want but someone's doing something about the people who use the system finally. The people say that I'm jealous. Lol because I work full time and don't want to support you guys having babies. Damn right I'm pissed off. But try not to have so many babies then if you can't afford them. It's called birth control. I'm not even talking about the Ederly and the handicapped people. I'm talking about the people who hold off marriage to get more money. The young girls who get pregnant should know better. The people that run around with the new cars and cell phones and don't work. Oh and you can get assistance if you don't work so the person who said you have to work 30 hours is a liar.
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  • Welfare abuse is a severe problem across the country. Each year, millions of Americans receive government benefits such as housing assistance, food stamps, telephone service, and other funds. Rather than supporting themselves, many of these citizens feel the taxpayers should foot their bills. Time and time again, there have been gross examples of people taking advantage of the system. Initially, this sparks some discussion; and for a while, people really seem dedicated to welfare reform. However, lasting change never comes, and taxpayers continue to be robbed of their hard-earned dollars.

    This past fall, a radio show gave concrete, indisputable evidence that welfare abuse is taking place every day. Two men on the KLBJ radio station in Austin, Texas were having a discussion about welfare. They were saying that as a result of federal programs, people were coming to expect free money from the government. Then, something they probably didn’t expect happened. A woman called in, explained that she lived off welfare, and said she found no reason to stop. Furthermore, she claimed it wasn’t fair for them to antagonize her because she lived off welfare.

    The woman introduced herself as Lucy, a 32-year-old mother and wife with no desire to work. She personally receives over $1,200 a month in federal assistance. Her husband, who works odd jobs, also receives family benefits. She does not work but is able to–and says she has no desire to ever work or contribute to society. She doesn’t see why she should work, when with welfare, she can stay home all day, hang out with friends, and smoke marijuana–and still get paid. As if this wasn’t audacious enough, Lucy said she’s disgusted by people who think she’s a bad person for living off tax dollars. She views working class people as idiots, even, because they work only to receive what she already has. She asked the radio hosts why she should work when she receives everything she needs for free. Lucy expects to be on welfare for the rest of her life, just like her parents.

    Unsurprisingly, Lucy’s speech was met with disgust and outrage. People were furious that our government allows people to live in such an entitled manner.
  • Look I want to apologize if anyone took this to heart. It's literally just the people that abuse it that bothers me
  • @Carleyec93, hahaha! You're good! I think it was the 5th website listed when "Abusing the system" is typed into google.

    https://www.westernjournalism.com/welfare-abuse-still-serious-problem-united-states/

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  • I am not American, so I don't fully understand the system(s) you are all talking about, but oh goodness.. This post is an out of control next level train wreck. I'm glued. Can't look away.
    There are good and bad people in all demographics. No one can change that, and people really should think about whether or not they can articulate their opinion clearly and concisely before letting it all spill out. Otherwise well, you get this. A whole lot of offensive generalisation. Oh I'm lost for words.. This whole post and board just needs to be deleted off the face of the earth. I mean it was incredibly entertaining sure, but wow, just.. Wow.
  • MalonT23 said:

    Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young.  My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support.  The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids.  My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to  growing up without insurance, scary).


    I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits.  I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love.  I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born. 

    I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,?  Would we be taken away from our mom?  Lots of questions that I really ^^^THIS!!   With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system.  You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
    And there are people who are dying waiting for approval for SSI/SSDI who are truly disabled.

    MalonT23 said:

    Just to put things in perspective I am a product of a family who utelized the welfare system when I was young.  My mom had lost all her jobs (she worked 3) during the late 1980's earl 1990's when we had a recession (our president at the time refused to admit we were going through a recession) My dad had taken off to Florida and stopped paying child support.  The welfare system helped put my mom back on her feet, to gather a more suitable job and stable housing for her three small kids.  My mom didn't abuse the system and as soon as she got a stable job boom we were off of welfare (we also lost all of our health care as a result of going off of welfare, trying to  growing up without insurance, scary).


    I know not everyone abuses the system, my mom as a result of the help she received raised three kids who grew up to not touch government benefits.  I put myself through college and graduate school, and guess what I work three jobs 7 months pregnant and I do very meaningful work that I love.  I also make a very good salary, and the fact that I work three jobs is my choice, not because I have to but because I am hard worker and adore the work I do. No doubt I am slowing down after my little one is born. 

    I agree I don't like the idea of people feeding off the system, and I certainly do not support it, however I am conflicted by my own story and the necessity that this part of my life of receiving benefits have caused. Had we not had it what would have hapend to us,?  Would we be taken away from our mom?  Lots of questions that I really do not want the answer to.  

    Additionally there are many other feeders off the system like disability collectors, and corporate welfare that seem to get off Scott free from this conversation.  We tend to only blame welfare as it pertains to women "feeding off the system", this is frustrating no doubt, but take a look at the disability claims and corporations and banks asking for handouts from our government they are just as bad and are worthy of a discussion on how to fix this corruption.  

    I certainly understand both sides of the argument and do not want to say one side is right or wrong but every situation is different for everyone.  
    ^^^THIS!!   With my job I see people who abuse the disability system WAY more than I see those abusing the welfare system.  You'd be surprised how many "disabled" people have nothing wrong with them at all!
    Just because you don't see something is wrong with a person doesn't mean they aren't sick. My mom has Crohn's disease and arthritis and is unable to work, but if you just saw her you probably wouldn't know. You really shouldn't judge that harshly period, it was very difficult for her to get on disability in the first place.

    I'm not meaning it like that.  I am a medic and when I pick up a person who has NO medical history, but still has disability, then yes, I believe they are abusing the system.  I have an aunt who is on disability and had to fight for it, even though she is unable to walk without assistance, and is on oxygen 100% of the time.  She is 80yrs old and they had a whole list of paperwork for her doctor to fill out in order to get disability.  Then because she got it, her teacher retirement benefits went down.  I'm not saying just because someone doesn't "look" disabled, doesn't mean they aren't.  What I'm saying is if you have NOTHING wrong with you and are getting disability because your doctor helped you out...SHAME!  I judge those people harshly!
    People don't just get disability... Are they blind? Do they have a brain injury Significant mental health? I don't believe they have NO medical history. Do you have any idea how much paperwork, documentation, testing goes into a Ssi/SSDI application? Everyone (just about) gets turned down the first time and has to appeal. Everyone gets reviewed every two years and has to once again defend why they need it. People are dying waiting to get approved. People are losing their homes, their children etc while they wait.
    Lurking, but I'm going to have to disagree here. Yes, it is incredibly difficult for people to be awarded disability, but honestly, it is more difficult for those who actually need it. I worked for SSI/SSDI and we were continually approving people merely because they had no education or work history, so there was no job to which to send them back. It is also incorrect that everyone gets reviewed every two years; review periods vary based on the disability. So while people who SHOULD be granted struggle to obtain it, there are quite a few who also get it with very little effort only based on background.
  • This poster is stuck on welfare abuse like Springs1 obsession with Ranch. :D


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  • @PrimRoseMama good too see you over here on A15 ;)

    Honestly, if you review her post history here you wouldn't be surprised by this off the wall post. I've always seen right through the BSC...
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  • @PrimRoseMama good too see you over here on A15 ;)

    Honestly, if you review her post history here you wouldn't be surprised by this off the wall post. I've always seen right through the BSC...

    @CaliforniaDream87 : I'm a sucker for August BMBs. ;) CD1 for me here so sadly not KTFU (though casually trying). But you know me: poof! Everywherez! :P


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  • @PrimRoseMama good too see you over here on A15 ;)

    Honestly, if you review her post history here you wouldn't be surprised by this off the wall post. I've always seen right through the BSC...

    @CaliforniaDream87 : I'm a sucker for August BMBs. ;) CD1 for me here so sadly not KTFU (though casually trying). But you know me: poof! Everywherez! :P
    @PrimRoseMama I didn't know you were trying!!!! Fingers crossed for you :)
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  • This shit is better than reality TV.
  • msmoleculemsmolecule member
    edited May 2015
    I just love people who are so completely livid about their tax dollars going to feed, house and clothe those in need....but who are totally okay with their pension dollars going to pay for high priced prostitutes for high profile bank employees.

    Seriously, get educated. You're embarrassing yourself.
  • This has been one of the best posts to just read the comments on!
    Personally I disagree with her about some of what she posted. :))
  • jonekajoneka member
    edited May 2015
    People do sell their food stamps from the EBT card.....People leave a certain amount on the card and sell their pin number to the card, or they meet the person at the store to input the pin number. People find ways to get around the system... they also sell them on facebook. You can screenshot it and call the Police since it is against the law.
  • Dajart4Dajart4 member
    This was an interesting read while I wait for students to eat lunch and go home on our last day of school. I want to especially thank @Miz_Liz for reading my mind.
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  • This poster is stuck on welfare abuse like Springs1 obsession with Ranch. :D

    Those were some of the best threads to read ever on TB.
  • kedbachkedbach member
    I'm not 100% agreeing because there are some who truly need it and I am completely okay with that. But I'm not okay with people who abuse it, and there definitely needs to be reform. I've witnessed it first-hand while teaching. Moms come in for a "meeting" because they cannot "afford" to pay for their child's reduced lunch (.55 per day), yet she rolls up in a brand new Range Rover with her hair and nails done.. It just doesn't add up. It's sad that the people who abuse it have ruined the benefits for those people who are hardworking and down on their luck who truly need it. It's such a sticky subject no matter which way you look at it. It also angers you in situations where I have friends who are single moms of several children and work to provide for their families, but simply don't earn enough to qualify for assistance. That is what breaks my heart. The abusers of the system will always fall through the cracks because there's no logical way to mandate and control it.
  • kedbachkedbach member
    @cllgarrison if you were referring to my post- it's just sad as a kindergarten teacher to see a child basically starving because their parent(s) refuse to buy them food and they spend their money on other "luxuries".. That's the only thing that bothers me.
  • mlindonmlindon member
    Nbar815 said:

    When I watch people selling their food stamps for cash instead of getting food with it. Not ok.

    YOU CANNOT EVEN SELL YOUR FOOD STAMPS ANYMORE; they come on a card, I work at a grocery store, so the claims ypu male are completely lacking any evidence.
    I know lot of people who sell their food stamps for 50 cents on the dollar. All you have to do is give the card and PIN number to someone. My little sister did that every month for years. She'd by a few groceries and sell the remaining balance. Gotta have smokes and beer.
  • mlindonmlindon member
    Nbar815 said:

    I really don't think you understand how it wprks at all, YOU MUST BE WORKING 30+ hours to even recieve ebt to that whole thing about sitting around and mooching is a load of ****; and people do not have kids just to recieve it, thats the most naive thought I've ever heard. Just because you're struggling and do not meet the requirements does not mean you should want to see others who are struggling even more suffer, thats just selfish and childish. A majority of your taxes go into much more than helping these people out so its not lile you are single handedly breaking ypur back to lift these people out of poverty, and just because they're getting benefits DOES NOT mean their life is any easier, having to live off of less than $180 for food and entire month doesn't mean the struggle to eat has disappeared.

    I know lots of people who get food stamps and don't have jobs. My sister and her boyfriend don't work and get about 300 a month. They have one child. They aren't starving. They buy soda at the convienent store using the ebt card all the time. they get ebt on top of WIC.
  • Nbar815Nbar815 member
    Here in the state of Texas you must be working or a full time student to recieve ebt, period. You must provide pay check stubs that are current to obtain them.
  • kedbachkedbach member
    If all states were like Texas, it would be great ladies. But as you've read from PP's, that's not the case. You do not have to work to receive benefits. You must be "actively seeking employment", which we all know is typically not the case and there's little to no way that this can be checked on or enforced. I think most people are harsh to judge others' comments, again, everyone is entitled to their own opinions on every subject. we don't live in a perfect world and it's disheartening to see people abuse benefits while others who try to be honest and work hard barely make ends meet. No one in their right mind can say they're okay with their hard-earned pay checks and tax dollars going to people who refuse to work, even though they are 100% capable. I said it, and I'll say no more. Hope everyone has a great day! :)
  • gulimzgulimz member
    I'm not sure what this has to do with the little bundles of joy we're all expecting.... I'm sorry you are struggling, but I don't think politics and anything non preggo/baby related is appropriate for this sort of forum. That's just my opinion.
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