Once again has any one discussed the fact that there is evidence of the baby feeling this pain, and does no one care that even tho its not something that the baby will remember it still HURTS !!!!!!!!! Why is any kind of pain inflicted on a child OK?
And BTW if any man is walking around w any kind of cheese on their junk shame on them and u know what shame on the chick that's picking them because a dirty man can b spotted from a mile!
I am going by facts, but the studies I read arent in English as my English isnt good enough to read scientific papers. The Royal Dutch Medical Association finds no pros and boatload of cons for circumcision. No. Pros. No one in my family has had it done, and no one has had problems. While my husband DID get it done and does have issues.
You know what else reduces the risk of contracting HIV and herpes? Safe sex. Preach that instead.
I know lots of people who didn't have it done and needed to, like my 3 almost 4 year old son, while he doesn't need it yet, his foreskin is super tight and will need to be cut of it becomes any tighten !! And no where's can I find only cons ? Can you post a link ? And my boyfriend is circumsized and he's never had a problem with his ! And he has sensitivity and he gets pleasure ... Lol
Ehm, did you read my post at all?
My English isnt good enough to read research in English. I thus read research papers done in my own language. Which yes, cripples me greatly when it comes to discussing these things on English boards, but what is the point of me linking something you wont be able to read? Getting kind of tired of being shoved aside simply because Im not a native speaker. Leaving this discussion, as obviously you obviously dont actually even read my posts.
Your English is good enough to type a few paragraphs and I understand it, and you also read my posts, so I don't understand how it wouldn't be clear enough to read about circumsion pros and cons ...
Because I dont want to just read information without a good scientific source, and the actual scientific papers use quite difficult English! I can hold conversations pretty easily, yes, but even reading a manual often goes above my head. I work on improving my language skills every day, but it's just not easy. I have looked at several papers done in the US, but I cant base my opinion on them if I cant understand them. So until I can, the best I can do is go with the ones done in my own country, which has a great record of working together with US researchers when it comes to these things
Medication is put on it to numb the area. Shots hurt too but I am still going to vaccinate. And LOL...my ex was from Poland and he was not circumsized and he never had issue with keeping himself clean and I've had boyfriends and my husband who are circumsized and never experienced "lack of sensation." It's not such a big deal with boys either way. It's a personal choice and to each their own. No need to get in a heated debate about something like this.
This is just one of those topics that have no real wrong answer opinions based on the facts that we want to look at ! Its a procedure that as stated before have been done for as long as one can remember but at the end of the day it is not a medically necessary process. And that is a fact if not every man would be circumsized!
Once again has any one discussed the fact that there is evidence of the baby feeling this pain, and does no one care that even tho its not something that the baby will remember it still HURTS !!!!!!!!! Why is any kind of pain inflicted on a child OK?
And BTW if any man is walking around w any kind of cheese on their junk shame on them and u know what shame on the chick that's picking them because a dirty man can b spotted from a mile!
They numb the area, some children don't even cry during the process, my son had surgery at 1 week old in the IWK in Halifax ns they had to remove s cyst from his vocal cords, he was given an IV In his head that probably hurt, and also one through his hand, he was pricked with multiple needles ! And he also had his collar bone snapped at birth because he was too big for his shoulders to fit out of me ! So that definitely hurt too ! But the dr said babies bones are cartridge and he will heal fine with minor pain (: ! And if I could go back in time I'd have him corcsized !
I am going by facts, but the studies I read arent in English as my English isnt good enough to read scientific papers. The Royal Dutch Medical Association finds no pros and boatload of cons for circumcision. No. Pros. No one in my family has had it done, and no one has had problems. While my husband DID get it done and does have issues.
You know what else reduces the risk of contracting HIV and herpes? Safe sex. Preach that instead.
I know lots of people who didn't have it done and needed to, like my 3 almost 4 year old son, while he doesn't need it yet, his foreskin is super tight and will need to be cut of it becomes any tighten !! And no where's can I find only cons ? Can you post a link ? And my boyfriend is circumsized and he's never had a problem with his ! And he has sensitivity and he gets pleasure ... Lol
Ehm, did you read my post at all?
My English isnt good enough to read research in English. I thus read research papers done in my own language. Which yes, cripples me greatly when it comes to discussing these things on English boards, but what is the point of me linking something you wont be able to read? Getting kind of tired of being shoved aside simply because Im not a native speaker. Leaving this discussion, as obviously you obviously dont actually even read my posts.
Your English is good enough to type a few paragraphs and I understand it, and you also read my posts, so I don't understand how it wouldn't be clear enough to read about circumsion pros and cons ...
Because I dont want to just read information without a good scientific source, and the actual scientific papers use quite difficult English! I can hold conversations pretty easily, yes, but even reading a manual often goes above my head. I work on improving my language skills every day, but it's just not easy. I have looked at several papers done in the US, but I cant base my opinion on them if I cant understand them. So until I can, the best I can do is go with the ones done in my own country, which has a great record of working together with US researchers when it comes to these things
You have very good English skills, I would have never of known it wasn't your first language until you said otherwise ! And yea I kinda get your point, most things are done in English for research, especially with the CDC
Actually there's no scientific evidence that it does reduce pleasure ! My bf is circumsized and he still gets lots of please (: ! Corcumsision also reduces the risks of contracting HIV and HERPES significantly !
Your no going by facts, your going on your own beliefs ! The pros for circumsized males are greater then those uncircumsized males !
No, condoms and not having casual sex reduces the risk of diseases such as herpes and hiv! Teaching your children to be smart about sex and what can happen reduces the risk of std. This argument is seriously upsetting. Foreskin has nothing to do with safe sex and common sense!
I did the research when I had my son, it's a very personal decision no matter what you choose. I found that most articles are biased and don't give all facts on all sides. A pro circumcision article will have more facts supporting their agenda while, articles against circumcision typically had the opposite
I'm a nurse and cleanliness is not the only issue that a male can have in the future regarding his foreskin, trust me. And as much cleanliness you teach, men (and women) get to the age where cleanliness is not their decision, it is left up to family, etc. Growing up a friend of mine had to be circumcised at 16, it was a nightmare. That being said, as his mother, it is your decision at this point. My husband is circumcised and that's what we will be doing, for the reasons already mentioned as well as religious reasons. This is a very personal decision to make. And neither one is wrong, it's just pros and cons. But you'll be able to choose what's best, and I support you no matter what you choose!!
@amberrmariee20 I am kinda sure that the reason you didn't have your child circumsized was because you figured he was going through enough pain and enough procedures to begin with I understand your point but I don't agree with it ! I'm entitled to that based on the fact that after the baby has this done with numbing ointment or what not they still have to endure some sort of discomfort or pain when if for some reason the diaper sticks to it or for some reason a infection occurs as parents we try to avoid things from happening to our babies and we clean them and follow the correct way of maintaining the wound BUT why add to that when they are newborns DONT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT TO ADD SOMETHING ELECTIVE !?
Actually there's no scientific evidence that it does reduce pleasure ! My bf is circumsized and he still gets lots of please (: ! Corcumsision also reduces the risks of contracting HIV and HERPES significantly !
Your no going by facts, your going on your own beliefs ! The pros for circumsized males are greater then those uncircumsized males !
No, condoms and not having casual sex reduces the risk of diseases such as herpes and hiv! Teaching your children to be smart about sex and what can happen reduces the risk of std. This argument is seriously upsetting. Foreskin has nothing to do with safe sex and common sense!
Even with "casual sex, And condoms", herpes is still a major risk, it can be from skin on skin contact outside of the condom on the pubic area .. And also, condoms break, people get drunk and stupid ! But foreskin does harbor bacteria, no matter if it's cleaned daily and that's why the risk for infection goes down with circumsion ! My ex bf ended up with a yeast infection because I had one and did not know it ! My bf now is corcumsized and never ended up with a yeast infection when I had mine ! And also, when I was 15 I ended up with BV I went to my school health center the first thing they asked me was if my bf had foreskin, because foreskin holds bacteria !!
Actually there's no scientific evidence that it does reduce pleasure ! My bf is circumsized and he still gets lots of please (: ! Corcumsision also reduces the risks of contracting HIV and HERPES significantly !
Your no going by facts, your going on your own beliefs ! The pros for circumsized males are greater then those uncircumsized males !
No, condoms and not having casual sex reduces the risk of diseases such as herpes and hiv! Teaching your children to be smart about sex and what can happen reduces the risk of std. This argument is seriously upsetting. Foreskin has nothing to do with safe sex and common sense!
Even with "casual sex, And condoms", herpes is still a major risk, it can be from skin on skin contact outside of the condom on the pubic area .. And also, condoms break, people get drunk and stupid ! But foreskin does harbor bacteria, no matter if it's cleaned daily and that's why the risk for infection goes down with circumsion ! My ex bf ended up with a yeast infection because I had one and did not know it ! My bf now is corcumsized and never ended up with a yeast infection when I had mine ! And also, when I was 15 I ended up with BV I went to my school health center the first thing they asked me was if my bf had foreskin, because foreskin holds bacteria !!
True, however all of those things can also happen with men who are circumsized. And educating your child can go a long way. You can get herpes if someone who has a cold sore goes down on you also.
Actually there's no scientific evidence that it does reduce pleasure ! My bf is circumsized and he still gets lots of please (: ! Corcumsision also reduces the risks of contracting HIV and HERPES significantly !
Your no going by facts, your going on your own beliefs ! The pros for circumsized males are greater then those uncircumsized males !
No, condoms and not having casual sex reduces the risk of diseases such as herpes and hiv! Teaching your children to be smart about sex and what can happen reduces the risk of std. This argument is seriously upsetting. Foreskin has nothing to do with safe sex and common sense!
Even with "casual sex, And condoms", herpes is still a major risk, it can be from skin on skin contact outside of the condom on the pubic area .. And also, condoms break, people get drunk and stupid ! But foreskin does harbor bacteria, no matter if it's cleaned daily and that's why the risk for infection goes down with circumsion ! My ex bf ended up with a yeast infection because I had one and did not know it ! My bf now is corcumsized and never ended up with a yeast infection when I had mine ! And also, when I was 15 I ended up with BV I went to my school health center the first thing they asked me was if my bf had foreskin, because foreskin holds bacteria !!
True, however all of those things can also happen with men who are circumsized. And educating your child can go a long way. You can get herpes if someone who has a cold sore goes down on you also.
Yes, but circumsion does significantly reduce the risk because there is no where's for the bacteria to "hide" and grow !!
Lol if someone gets herpes from their pubic area rubbing on someone else's herpes infected junk while wearing A condom, whether or not they have a foreskin isn't going to increase or decrease their risk of contracting herpes. It doesn't work that way.
Lol if someone gets herpes from their pubic area rubbing on someone else's herpes infected junk while wearing A condom, whether or not they have a foreskin isn't going to increase or decrease their risk of contracting herpes. It doesn't work that way.
Actually yes studies have proved that being corcumsized reduces the chance of contracting HIV or herpes from another individual ! I posted some links in my previous posts ! Check it out (: !
My husband isn't circumcised and complained what a pain in the butt it is to clean it and be extra careful. If we have a boy, he wants him circumcised. I don't bc I think it's unnecessary.
He never had a problem with an infection or anything growing up so I'm not sure how that even happens, other than not cleaning it properly. But I'm ignorant on that whole subject.
It's a tough decision, but you have 6 months to make a final decision. Instead of arguing about it to the point of being angry, lay out each of your points and take some time to really think about each other's point of view. It's a big decision that shouldn't be rushed.
Lol if someone gets herpes from their pubic area rubbing on someone else's herpes infected junk while wearing A condom, whether or not they have a foreskin isn't going to increase or decrease their risk of contracting herpes. It doesn't work that way.
Actually yes studies have proved that being corcumsized reduces the chance of contracting HIV or herpes from another individual ! I posted some links in my previous posts ! Check it out (: !
These studies are done to support pro circumcision articles and therefore are biased. Try to find something that is 100% unbiased. Think about it this way, there is a lower percentage of uncircumsized men vs circumsized so by that alone naturally the percentage of uncircumsized men with stds would be higher than circumsized men.
My husband isn't circumcised and complained what a pain in the butt it is to clean it and be extra careful. If we have a boy, he wants him circumcised. I don't bc I think it's unnecessary.
He never had a problem with an infection or anything growing up so I'm not sure how that even happens, other than not cleaning it properly. But I'm ignorant on that whole subject.
It's a tough decision, but you have 6 months to make a final decision. Instead of arguing about it to the point of being angry, lay out each of your points and take some time to really think about each other's point of view. It's a big decision that shouldn't be rushed.
Hugs.
If you had a yeast infection and didn't realize it he could catch it really easy, and the only other issue is the foreskin not being able to be pulled back ! But if he can pull his back he wouldn't "have" to be corcumsized !
I think everything that can be said in this debate has already been said a few times....so I will give you all this humorous but also informative video. FYI the series "Adam Ruins Everything" has other funny videos too about engagement rings and other "normal" things in our society haha. (I totally have a diamond on my finger as I write this, I'm a sucker apparently hhaa). Here's the circumcision one for your enjoyment/information: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gCSWbTv3hng
@amberrmaree please stop ! You make no sense at all once a male that's not circumsized has intercourse the skin is or should be fully retractacble , thats how males can masturbate as well , im not sure where or from who you are getting your info from but I try to not speak unless I am informed and so far you haven't made much sense.I'm actually confused by what you are trying to say I don't like to conclude ignorance but wow ur pushing it.
Ask a pediatrician or a doctor their opinion and then make a decision. I told my husband that as long as a doctor told me that there were no serious risks involved that he could choose whatever he wanted. We talked to both a pediatrician and a doctor and they both told me that it is fine either way, a personal choice and that it would not cause serious issues for him. (I know, someone here is going to post and say that it will, but that is where I say that your son may have to have his tonsils removes because of issues, or a kidney, or my daughter could get breast cancer one day, but I'm not going to cut all of those body parts off out a small percentage that something may or may not go wrong.) That being said, it is a personal decision and I think that it definitely is as much your husbands decision as much as yours. The baby is half his, and half yours, not one more than the other. So try to respectfully reach a decision. ♡
@BooBerry137 Ok, you don't have to. I should have never let that get to me in the first place. I do apologize, as I'm usually a very sweet person. Enjoy your day.
Oh My! This whole thread took a mind of it's own! Let's not forget that we are here to help each other as best we can.... If we don't agree with each other, guess what... It's ok. We need not be disrespectful or push our opinion on others. Have an awesome day ladies!
@amberrmaree please stop ! You make no sense at all once a male that's not circumsized has intercourse the skin is or should be fully retractacble , thats how males can masturbate as well , im not sure where or from who you are getting your info from but I try to not speak unless I am informed and so far you haven't made much sense.I'm actually confused by what you are trying to say I don't like to conclude ignorance but wow ur pushing it.
Have you cllickes on any of the websites I posted above ? And not all males that have foreskin are able to pull their foreskin back ! Google PHIMOSIS !
And males without foreskin can masturbate just as easily without skin ... Just saying
@amberrmariee20 I am kinda sure that the reason you didn't have your child circumsized was because you figured he was going through enough pain and enough procedures to begin with I understand your point but I don't agree with it ! I'm entitled to that based on the fact that after the baby has this done with numbing ointment or what not they still have to endure some sort of discomfort or pain when if for some reason the diaper sticks to it or for some reason a infection occurs as parents we try to avoid things from happening to our babies and we clean them and follow the correct way of maintaining the wound BUT why add to that when they are newborns DONT WE HAVE ENOUGH TO WORRY ABOUT TO ADD SOMETHING ELECTIVE !?
Wow I didn't even see this post until now !! Grr living in the country with poor signal !!
I stopped reading part way down page 3, but just wanted to say that sometimes it IS medically necessary. My husband was circ. as a child and it was horrific. It is something he will NEVER let our children experience. Because of that, we circ. our boys as babies. Only one cried out of the two, and he only cried for a minute. Neither one of them has emotional scars like my husband does. They don't remember. It wasn't barbaric for them and now they won't have to ever suffer the way their father did. (And for the record, his was done because it wasn't formed properly, not because of infections or lack of cleanliness. While it's not common, saying there are no medical reasons is inaccurate)
Married to J since 5/05, Mommy to T (10/08), L (08/10) and C (02/13) who was born at home.
Well its a unsaid thing that if a procedure is necessary then there's no choice right and in those cases your doing what is best for your child, In the case where a mom chooses this just for kicks is where I say that its unnecessary if the father who I believe has the last choice as he is male isn't circumcised then what is the point of doing it. And that's where it turns elective.
Well its a unsaid thing that if a procedure is necessary then there's no choice right and in those cases your doing what is best for your child, In the case where a mom chooses this just for kicks is where I say that its unnecessary if the father who I believe has the last choice as he is male isn't circumcised then what is the point of doing it. And that's where it turns elective.
My boyfriend is circumsized, and he wants our son to be circumsized if we have one !
Once again has any one discussed the fact that there is evidence of the baby feeling this pain, and does no one care that even tho its not something that the baby will remember it still HURTS !!!!!!!!! Why is any kind of pain inflicted on a child OK?
And BTW if any man is walking around w any kind of cheese on their junk shame on them and u know what shame on the chick that's picking them because a dirty man can b spotted from a mile!
So me saying my child slept through it proves that all babies feel pain? OK. You are making a sweeping generalization about all circumcisions, while I said in our child's case, he was not bothered by it. I would never say no babies feel pain from it, that's obviously not true.
The bottom line is as said, it's a personal choice and shouldn't be made based on generalizing or fear-mongering.
@BlueWaffleSpeshul so you were lucky that your child didn't feel the pain, you took a risk and came out with a good outcome, I chose not to take risk because to me it wasn't a necessity, my child did not need it for medical reasons , His father was not circumsized and I didn't think that the risk of something going wrong ( because we can all agree that even w the smallest procedure things can go wrong) was worth the outcome! I respect everyone's opinion about this topic I am merely stating mine!
If you don't like it not much I can do ! I staabd by my opinion that it is barberic and unnecessary ( unless medically needed) !
This is my story based off personal experience. When ds was born we didn't bother to circumsize him and it wasn't an issue until he was 2 mos old and I woke up to change his diaper and his testicles were red and swollen to the size of a small lemon. We took him to the ER where it was found he had gotten a UTI, Thant went to his bladder, kidneys and testicles. He was in the hospital for 2 nights and the urologist recommended circumsicion which at this point I adamantly agreed to. Ever since we have never had any situations like this.
I hope I have a girl this time so its a non-issue, but with our son, I left the decision up to my husband. I figured if either of us gets to make the decision, it should be the one who has a penis.
My husband is circumcised and happily so, though I think most circumcised men are because they don't know the difference. My son has had zero issues in 2 years, but I have heard of boys who had problems following circumcision, from infections to chronic pain.
If my husband had been 100% against it, our son wouldn't have been circumcised, even though it does seem "cleaner" to me.
Circumcise!! It's hygienic and what is considered the norm in our society. You will be doing your son a favor in the long run!!! Personally I think most women prefer a circumcised penis too!!
Circumcise!! It's hygienic and what is considered the norm in our society. You will be doing your son a favor in the long run!!! Personally I think most women prefer a circumcised penis too!!
I have two issues with this -- one, just because it is a norm, doesn't make it right. But, if you care about norms, there are actually significantly fewer male babies being circumcised in the U.S. now than in the past, so it is technically no longer the norm. See data here: https://www.cirp.org/library/statistics/USA/
snippet: The CDC data, reported by the New York Times, showed that the incidence of circumcision declined from 56 percent in 2006 to 32.5 percent in 2009. According to these statistics, non-circumcision or genital integrity has become the normal condition among newborn boys in the United States.
Two, and significantly more important to me, I personally don't care how my husband looks in that area. I love him deeply, as he loves me deeply; why would I dislike part of someone I love so much? Further, if women "like" a circumcised penis more in the U.S., it is likely because of what we have been used to seeing. Again, this will likely change going forward.
@LydiaPick your video states my point to the t !!! I think we should all go and look at it its at the top of this page its called " the real reason you are circumcised" !!!!!!
I did not circumcise my son and I would never ever ever ever do this to a child. To the people saying that adult men had to have their foreskin removed as adults due to infection that is ABSURD. Teach your child to keep his privates clean and this won't be an issue. The evidence that suggests it is medically beneficial is marginal. WATCH a circumcision and then tell me you want that done to your child. It is barbaric and wholly unnecessary.
Your husband has the foreskin and is obviously attached to his. Maybe you should listen to him.
Re: Husband and I don't agree on circumcision
And BTW if any man is walking around w any kind of cheese on their junk shame on them and u know what shame on the chick that's picking them because a dirty man can b spotted from a mile!
You have very good English skills, I would have never of known it wasn't your first language until you said otherwise ! And yea I kinda get your point, most things are done in English for research, especially with the CDC
That being said, as his mother, it is your decision at this point. My husband is circumcised and that's what we will be doing, for the reasons already mentioned as well as religious reasons.
This is a very personal decision to make. And neither one is wrong, it's just pros and cons. But you'll be able to choose what's best, and I support you no matter what you choose!!
Even with "casual sex, And condoms", herpes is still a major risk, it can be from skin on skin contact outside of the condom on the pubic area .. And also, condoms break, people get drunk and stupid ! But foreskin does harbor bacteria, no matter if it's cleaned daily and that's why the risk for infection goes down with circumsion ! My ex bf ended up with a yeast infection because I had one and did not know it ! My bf now is corcumsized and never ended up with a yeast infection when I had mine ! And also, when I was 15 I ended up with BV I went to my school health center the first thing they asked me was if my bf had foreskin, because foreskin holds bacteria !!
He never had a problem with an infection or anything growing up so I'm not sure how that even happens, other than not cleaning it properly. But I'm ignorant on that whole subject.
It's a tough decision, but you have 6 months to make a final decision. Instead of arguing about it to the point of being angry, lay out each of your points and take some time to really think about each other's point of view. It's a big decision that shouldn't be rushed.
Hugs.
Think about it this way, there is a lower percentage of uncircumsized men vs circumsized so by that alone naturally the percentage of uncircumsized men with stds would be higher than circumsized men.
If you had a yeast infection and didn't realize it he could catch it really easy, and the only other issue is the foreskin not being able to be pulled back ! But if he can pull his back he wouldn't "have" to be corcumsized !
Have you cllickes on any of the websites I posted above ? And not all males that have foreskin are able to pull their foreskin back ! Google PHIMOSIS !
And males without foreskin can masturbate just as easily without skin ... Just saying
Wow I didn't even see this post until now !! Grr living in the country with poor signal !!
I really regret not getting him circumsized
Married to J since 5/05, Mommy to T (10/08), L (08/10) and C (02/13) who was born at home.
My boyfriend is circumsized, and he wants our son to be circumsized if we have one !
If you don't like it not much I can do ! I staabd by my opinion that it is barberic and unnecessary ( unless medically needed) !
When ds was born we didn't bother to circumsize him and it wasn't an issue until he was 2 mos old and I woke up to change his diaper and his testicles were red and swollen to the size of a small lemon. We took him to the ER where it was found he had gotten a UTI, Thant went to his bladder, kidneys and testicles. He was in the hospital for 2 nights and the urologist recommended circumsicion which at this point I adamantly agreed to. Ever since we have never had any situations like this.
My husband is circumcised and happily so, though I think most circumcised men are because they don't know the difference. My son has had zero issues in 2 years, but I have heard of boys who had problems following circumcision, from infections to chronic pain.
If my husband had been 100% against it, our son wouldn't have been circumcised, even though it does seem "cleaner" to me.
Your husband has the foreskin and is obviously attached to his. Maybe you should listen to him.