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I need some help here (long)...

Going off my last few posts here, you may know that my mom and I are having major issues right now. I've been working on setting healthy boundaries with her for a while now, with the help of my therapist. she obviously does not like this change and has been constantly placing blame on me and MH for the problems that have ensued as a result.

She asked if we could talk today and of course it went nowhere good. Once again, I tried to stay positive, but she got angry and bitter, telling me that "I've shit on a once good relationship with her" and that I've changed so much and others have noticed. That I married a prick who doesnt want her around and all of this has caused her to feel uncomfortable being around us.

I'm due to have our second baby anytime in the next 2 weeks or so, and she basically told me today that I should go ahead and find a back up to care for DS1 while I'm in the hospital, bc she feels like I dont appreciate all she's done for me, and since her and I aren't getting along, she doesnt want to come stay here.

Im so.fucking stressed as it is and now I'm stuck having to find someone to take care of my kid for 2 days while I'm in the hospital. I'm hurt and pissed and stressed...and just WTF. The timing of all this shit couldnt be worse.
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Re: I need some help here (long)...

  • @mcbenny‌ all of our family (including her) live 2 hrs away so it'd need to be our house.
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  • I mean....I just can't believe she's resorted to this. I've done everything I can to rry keeping this issue between us separate from her grandparenting relationship with my kid. But yeah....I feel like she's placing all the blame on us, & it gets me wondering if it IS my fault things got to this point. Im just so sick of the power struggle that shouldn't even be there between her and I.
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  • It also just sucks bc honestly, she's the one besides me or MH that my son is most comfortable around. My MIL never comes around and no one else in my family has really been around my kid for any extended amount of time to babysit, so it's hard for me to leave him with anyone else. I'm just so GD nervous about everything now.
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  • @MarlaSinger&‌ Thank you. It really helps to hear this from others who have dealt withit.

    It doesnt help that she disguises her manipulation tactics under the pretense that she loves us (my brother and I) so much and has devoted her life to us (which she has), so now she feels "Shit on" and "pushed away" be MH and me. So it makes me feel as if I've done this. And I've created this situation. Kwim?
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  • Our issues were with two people.  One person finally worked on the issues and is a part of our lives. 

    The other went into a spiral of vicious personal and emotional attacks and is completely out of our lives. 

    I regret nothing and call it a success.  Sure, we basically lost a family member but the relationship was so toxic that we are so much happier and more whole without that person.

  • *Hugs to you as well!* The last 2 weeks of pregnancy are hard enough you don't need to be dealing with this. Timing is terrible but right now you need to look out for you and YOUR family. I hope you have some close friends near by that might be able to help while you are in the hospital?

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  • edited December 2014

    wrong thread.  Oops.

  • I went through this with a now estranged family member.  Once you set the boundaries, they panic and rev up their bullying and tantrums.  They are scrambling to regain control and become even worse as a result. 

    Don't give in.  Try not to let it get to you by recognizing that it is their panic causing it.  Any resulting actions of them not respecting the boundaries are their choice and not yours.  They chose the actions which resulted in the consequences. 

    Find other care and don't let her use you or your children as pawns.  Good luck.

    This is so, so, so, SO true. I have experienced this with abusers in my life. It is 100% about their control/boundary issues and 0% about you.
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  • MrsT0514 said:


    MrsT0514 said:

    It also just sucks bc honestly, she's the one besides me or MH that my son is most comfortable around. My MIL never comes around and no one else in my family has really been around my kid for any extended amount of time to babysit, so it's hard for me to leave him with anyone else. I'm just so GD nervous about everything now.

    Does he go to daycare? Are there any teachers you could work with to help out?
    No, unfortunately. I'm a SAHM. Although our babysitter that we havent used in a Long time (she was out on medical leave and needed surgery) contacted us not long ago, so I think I'll give her a call. It s just tough bc money is a factor also.

    Would you be willing to have the babysitter just during the delivery? MIL came and watched DS when DD was born. We had planned for DH to stay at the hospital with me overnight but DS was pretty upset (he was 3.5), so I decided DS needed DH overnight more than I did. It was a little lonely at night but I was fine.
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  • @Mags748‌ this is what we're thinking as well. Literally our main concern is just to make sure someone is here with DS while I'm in the hospital delivering. Then we can piece meal something together for a few hours here or there between dh, my MIL, our neighbors and friends for the rest of my hospital stay until I get home.
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  • I agree w/a poster above - have sitter or whomever just watch him for the delivery period, then your DH can be w/the kiddo while you're at the hospital.  During the day he can come visit w/him & he can be home at night.  That's what we did w/our second & it worked out just fine.  It's only two days.  While you're at the hospital during the night you have the nurses to help if needed.  It will be fine!!  And keep setting those boundaries- don't let your mom manipulate you.  You will be so much happier and stronger for it.  Best of luck!

  • MrsT0514 said:

    Well I called the babysitter. She told me she's available whenever we'd need her. The only problem is that she charges 15 an hour. She said she'd be willing to work out a flat rate if we needed her for an overnight, which I dont even know what the going rate for that is.

    From friends here I know that generally overnight is a pretty minimal amount because usually there's no wake-ups.  Usually they pay the sitter a premium for the hour it took to call her and have her come over in the middle of the night (say $20) and then a small flat rate for the remainder of the night. If the baby sleeps through then it's usually minimal (like $20-50 ) for overnight and then regular pay during waking. 

    See, thats what I figured. But then she told me the family did an overnight for (a full 24 hrs of care) paid her flat rate of 250...which my jaw just about dropped. No way in hell are we able to pay her 250 to come stay with our kid. Although for 24hrs, that works out to about 10bucks and hr. But I dont anticipate needing her for the full 24hrs.

    She said she'd work with us and obviously wouldnt charge us 250 (plus we wouldnt have her for the full 24hrs), but I have no idea what she's expecting. I asked her if she'd be willing to lower her rate if she was here only while he was asleep and she said she'd Lower that to like 12/hr...which still seems high to me for sleeping on my couch while my kid is asleep.
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  • @MarlaSinger&‌ you are so right. MH and I have both been working hard thru therapy to break the cycle. This whole mess has brought him and I even closer together and our marriage is stronger bc of it.

    Literally, we went through all of the "letting go/guilt trip" drama with his mom a few years back and now it seems like we're dealing with it all over again with my mom (although its with 2 totally different people and situations).

    It just sucks when I feel like im trying to GD hard to better myself, not blame others, take responsibility for myself and take care of my family, and all she's doing is pointing the finger.
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  • What gets me the most is that my mom and I started off this conversation with her saying "well your aunt wants me to go on an overnight trip jan. 10th. I dont want to leave you high and dry, but i also dont want to miss out on the trip. I need you to help me decide by telling me if you have it all under control or if you're dependent on me being therr to help you".

    Uhh..what? I told her first of all, i cant help her make this decision and that if she decides to go and i have the baby thay day, ill figure somethjng out.

    But above all, wtmf. It sounded to me like she's fishing for me to come back and tell her I need her here.
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  • Then basically when I told her it was up to her, and that Iwasn't gonna tell her what to do or not do, she got pissed, saying I've changed so much and we used to be so close, that I've completely shitted on a good mother/daughter relationship. She also felt the need to reiterate that I'm once again acting like my estranged alcoholic father.

    So once again, things dont go her way, so she results to anger and insults. Awesome.
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  • MrsT0514 said:

    Then basically when I told her it was up to her, and that Iwasn't gonna tell her what to do or not do, she got pissed, saying I've changed so much and we used to be so close, that I've completely shitted on a good mother/daughter relationship. She also felt the need to reiterate that I'm once again acting like my estranged alcoholic father.

    So once again, things dont go her way, so she results to anger and insults. Awesome.

    OMFG, I am really angry about that.  Like I am full of rage for you.

    Where is your stepdad in all of this?  Are you close? Does he support your mom in whatever she does or does he just roll his eyes from the sidelines?


    Their marriage is completely on her terms. Whatever she says goes and its always been that way. She married him not out of love, but in order to provide stability for my brother and i as kids and as a family, in her own words (which is a fucking can of worms that we wont even open right now).

    So basically he's her personal doormat. She treats him like shit and he takesit. He doesnt get involved in this stuff bc he knows she'll talk right over him.

    But according to her, other family members of mine have even "agreed that I've changed". So great. Apparently she's got my other family members on board with this. I kind of feel like she's rallying a team against mh and I. Which is also what makes me doubt myself and wonder where the hell it all went wrong.
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  • I don't have much to add to what PPs have already said, just wanted to say I'm sorry you are going through this and send you lots of hugs
  • I think you have handled this situation as well as anyone can. It sucks that your mum is being so manipulative with regards to childcare while you are in labour. I hope that you are able to find a reasonable alternative.

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  • ready-or-notready-or-not member
    edited December 2014
    MrsT0514 said:
    What gets me the most is that my mom and I started off this conversation with her saying "well your aunt wants me to go on an overnight trip jan. 10th. I dont want to leave you high and dry, but i also dont want to miss out on the trip. I need you to help me decide by telling me if you have it all under control or if you're dependent on me being therr to help you". Uhh..what? I told her first of all, i cant help her make this decision and that if she decides to go and i have the baby thay day, ill figure somethjng out. But above all, wtmf. It sounded to me like she's fishing for me to come back and tell her I need her here.

    So basically your mom said "well, I was going to help you but something better came along & now I want you to OK me totally bailing on you in your time of need" Gah that pisses me off more than anything when people do this & I'm so sorry your mom is being such a bitch to you. I would have said "don't worry about me, I can handle my own shit, I'll try to let you know when the baby is here kthxbye" I'm sorry your going thru this & wish I was close enough to help out!
  • I mean, this whole mess left both MH and me feeling really fucking confused. Like WTAF just happened?

    She insisted on calling back again to say "well is it safe to say you're all set then and you dont need me there? Bc I have lots of other she I could be doing" I said "ok yes then. We will figure it out, dont worry about it." She replied "ok, im sure Yh will be happy about this, bc he's got you right where he wants you."

    Oh whatever, bitch. See ya sometime in the new year...who knows when. Bc apparently YOU got LOTS OF SHIT to do!

    See ya later, 2014! Goin out with a bang! At this point, I'm so ready for a new year.
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  • Bless your mom's heart, T.

    Bless. Her. Heart.

    Preach.

    She's lost her fucking marbles. I'm halfway tempted to reach out to my step dad about all this, but I'm afraid I'd be beating a dead horse. She's got a mean poker face when it comes to playing victim...which is exactly what she's doing. Mh and I are officially the bad guys here. WE created this.
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  • I wish I lived nearby. I would watch your kid while you're in labor. And give your mom the stink eye.

    Thank you, that means a lot to me. All of this means a lot to me. You guys are an amazing support system. I dont know what I'd do if I didnt have this place to come to for support and guidance.
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  • ready-or-notready-or-not member
    edited December 2014
    Can you just stop all contact, don't answer her calls or text back something like "busy with DS will call back when I can" & just completely cut her out until after you have the baby & are settled in a bit & feel ready?
  • edited December 2014
    She is trying to manipulate you...that is why she is acting tantrumy/childish with the comments about you and your H in her responses to you when you don't tell her what she wanted to hear.

    She wanted you to be like "no please mommy I need you, I'm sorry, bla bla" ... you didnt do that (and that's good).... so then comes the nastiness because it didn't work.

    Hold firm. This isnt you at all, it is her.  Her loss.  Her decision. 



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  • MrsT0514MrsT0514 member
    edited December 2014
    @PrivacyWanted‌ so much of that article rings true with my mom/this situation. Pretty muCH the entire conversation revolves around how all of this is making HER feel snubbed and "shitted on" and taken advantage of. And we've made HER feel unwanted. And how SHE'S unable to voice HER concerns bc of we react. How SHE'S given HER life for me and.my brother and now this is how I repay her. How SHES unable to be the grandmother SHE wants to be bc of my difficult personality. Its all about her.

    She also HAD to get in that last little tidbit about how she's still concerned about my son (this "underlying medical issue" that she believes is there and hasnt been looked into enough by the 5 different doctors we've seen to rule everything out before it was deemed a benign mild low Muscle tone issue by our pedi) and when "it all comes to light, she'll be there for me with open arms".

    Im just SMFH at this point. Idk what to even think of her anymore.
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  • @TwoScoopz‌ I agree with you there. This while crock of shit has always been about HER being right and us (mh and I) "failing to see that".

    Instead of offering up a genuine apology for the nasty things she said during our last argument (right before Christmas), she continued to justify why she said all the things she said.
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  • MrsT0514MrsT0514 member
    edited December 2014
    I mean...would it be inappropriate to reach out to one of my aunts (my mom's sisters)? I feel like I may be able to talk candidly to them and have them truly understand where I'm coming from since they grew up with her their whole life and have also noticed and commented on some of her chAnging over the last few years.

    But I also don't want any more drama on my plate either.
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    I guess that depends.  If you know it'll create extra drama, maybe you shouldnt.  

    It SHOULDN'T create drama, because rational adults should be rational, and you're just trying to reach out to trusted family for some help.... but what should be is not always the case obviously.

    Kind of something you have to weigh the pros and cons on I guess.

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  • More important things than drama to focus on when you're having a baby, you have enough on your plate so... if it were me, I'd steer away from extra drama.

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  • @SpaceGirlSpiff‌ I feel like if I reached out to one of them, I'd be able to talk to them and they'd honor my wishes if I asked them not to say anything to her. In the past, when they've had disagreements with her, they've gone years not talking to each other, so they're well aware of how she can hold grudges.
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  • So then is it more so you're worried about your Mom finding out and feeling "betrayed" or something? Because if so... well...that's too bad.

    If you feel like you can trust that relationship with one of your aunts and they can be reliable for you in that way, then I see no issue with it.

    If your Mom finds out and has an issue... well, she can throw her tantrums I guess, but that just makes her look foolish and again, is completely her problem. She's making this bed.

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  • TwoScoopz said:


    MrsT0514 said:

    I mean...would it be inappropriate to reach out to one of my aunts (my mom's sisters)? I feel like I may be able to talk candidly to them and have them truly understand where I'm coming from since they grew up with her their whole life and have also noticed and commented on some of her chAnging over the last few years.

    But I also don't want any more drama on my plate either.

    Unless one of them can help you with babysitting, you should wait to do this.  Your mom isn't going to magically change within the next few weeks, so give it time before taking action again.

    Thats also the thing. They could potentially help with babysitting, so I feel like if I reached out to one of them, it may benefit us when it comes time to have this baby.
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