March 2015 Moms

Choosing Baby's Sex

bakingmama123bakingmama123 member
edited December 2014 in March 2015 Moms
Just read this article on Yahoo. Thought I would share with you guys. 


I feel so sorry for her 3 sons. Edited: how on earth did I type gender up there. My bad, it is corrected lol.
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  • I can't even.
  • Lately people's comments about our million dollar family have been driving me nuts! Im happy no matter what babys sex is! I get to be pregnant and have babies u think that's enough of a gift!
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  • What the actual fuck.
  • She considered having an abotion when she found out her third was a boy!!!?? *sorry spelling* on mobile and something is not working
  • Her sons are going to read this one day!! It's just sick!!
  • Please tell me this is from a satirical website.

    This is so beyond disgusting. I don't blame all her friends for judging her. I'm judging her. How impossibly shallow can you even be? Wow.
  • My husband's aunt and uncle paid to have his sperm separated so they could have a girl. They have 6 boys and 1 girl. My MIL told my DH and I that we need to do this next time to ensure we have a son. I was like...get the fuck out. No thanks. I will love my babies regardless of their sex. If we end up having a boy in the future, fantastic. If we end up with a third girl at some point, that's wonderful. I wanted to tell her to shut the fuck up, but I restrained myself. 
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  • This lady made me sick, I really wanted to punch her.

    If we are lucky enough to get pregnant again I would love to have a girl next time, but if I have two boys that would be fantastic too! 

    I just can't imagine the life all her children will have, the girl knowing her parents went into that much debt to have her, and their expectations will be unobtainable. The third son reading one day that his Mom was considering not having him and how much of a disappointment he was just being born was. The favoritism will be ridiculous, just sad all around.

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  • She will be so disappointed if her girl discovers her gender is anything but a girl. SMH. I know it sounds mean, but I hope her daughter grows up to hate pink.

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  • There's a special place in hell for people like this. What a sick, twisted, empty human being.
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  • These parents are obviously going to have unreasonable expectations for their daughter.  I know my mom always wanted a super-girly princess daughter but she got stuck with me instead.  It really sucks to know you're a disappointment to your parents based on factors that are completely out of your control.

    I know my mom loves me but I know she quietly mourns for the daughter she wishes she had who would love shopping, make-up, and high heeled shoes.

    This. Holy shit. My mom had me and three boys...I know she is disappointed that we don't have a relationship like Gilmore Girls or something and I'm not a super girly girl. It's bad enough knowing that you are a disappointment for that, can you imagine if you knew your mom almost had an abortion because you were a boy?
  • This article actually made me feel sick. I mean, I get "preferring" one gender to another, but to consider abortion?? To start saving $$ and planning your girl while you are still pregnant with the son you considered aborting? This article may have not shown the whole picture, but it definitely seemed that she was completely disappointed with her 3 sons for the genitalia God gave them. I hope they don't develop complexes when little sister becomes the fast favorite in their house. How incredibly sad.

    And I am not necessarily against "gender selection" or whatever they call it. I would never do it myself and can't really understand those that would, but I can't say I would hate on anyone that chose to do it, unless they had a similar story to this woman in regard to their "unwanted" children.

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  • So I finished it. If I ever met that woman I'd buy her boys an ice cream and call her a twat. 

    This just makes me want to hug my son and hug the little boy growing in my belly. We are done after Hunter is born. I will have 2 boys, 0 girls. I can't imagine being upset by that. 
    Extra ice cream for the third son who she wasn't sure was worthy of being born just because of his genitals.

    Ugh, I hate this woman. And I hate her kid's masculine name.
  • Is it possible to despise someone you don't know... cuz I'm pretty sure I do. 
  • torileea said:

    Lately people's comments about our million dollar family have been driving me nuts! Im happy no matter what babys sex is! I get to be pregnant and have babies u think that's enough of a gift!

    I find the perfect family comments to be really annoying and offensive. I would have been perfectly happy with two boys!
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  • This just makes me sick. I sincerely hope her sons never grow up to know how disappointed she was that they weren't girls. I feel sorry for the girl too. She's going to fall short of mom's expectations if she's not an all out girly girl and that saddens me for her.

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  • What a fucking asshole. I tried reading this a few days ago, and I couldn't. 

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  • Wow I feel so bad for her sons. To know you made your mom so depressed because you have a penis. Wow so sad.
  • This is what makes me sick:

    "The process involves harvesting a woman's eggs, injecting each one individually with sperm, then growing the embryo from a single cell to around 130 cells, at which point it's possible to tell whether the chromosomes are XX or XY. Only embryos of the desired sex are transferred to the uterus."

    So did they just throw away all the male embryos? I can't even imagine, that is so horrifically disgusting. That doctor needs his license revoked. Why couldn't they just inject each egg with X carrying sperm?
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  • Meh. Doesn't bother me. She doesn't sound like someone I would be friends with, but I can't totally hang her out to dry, either. Everyone has their own battles and hangups, and it sounds like she had a pretty severe issue with this. You don't really get to pick and choose your flavor of mental illness -- and hers is particularly offensive to many people. I just can't judge her for it. The article does make her sound flippant & shallow, but I have to believe it was more complex. It sounds like something she could have addressed with counseling, but she chose to throw a shit ton of money at it instead. It's not the choice most people would or could make-- and that's probably good thing. But I don't really give two shits that she chose to do it. I don't give two shits that she considered abortion - lots of people have abortions for all sorts of reasons & I don't judge them, either. She's not particularly apologetic about her opinions, and if I had 3 boys or something it'd probably rub me the wrong way a bit, but still -- her life. I don't care. I was so depressed at the beginning of this pregnancy that I didn't even care if baby made it to 12 weeks with a heartbeat. Sometimes I didn't care if *I* made it to 12 weeks with a heartbeat. I didn't actively consider abortion, but the thought of it being an option crossed my mind several times. I was really, really depressed. I was judging myself about that, but I didn't need anyone else to do it for me. Thank goodness that's over. It was terrible and I guess that's why I just can't judge her too harshly - it sounds like a mental health issue for her. 

    It's a complex issue from a policy standpoint, so I think careful selection of patients ("sex balancing" a family, or making sure for every female embryo transferred you transfer a male into someone else) is important. I didn't realize it was legal in the US. I know for sure my H would be interested in separating sperm for our 2nd baby. I know for sure I would be fine if we had a 2nd boy anyway. I think if I had severe mental health issues surrounding the sex of my babies, I'd seek counseling & not invasive medical procedures. But I don't think it's my place to judge this woman for going a different route. And I hope she had counseling anyway, since you guys are right that her girl might be a total tomboy, or even trans, or just not meet her fantasy. That should be required for anyone undergoing this kind of procedure.

    Would you all be so upset about her if she was like "I paid $50k to have a girl, because I wanted one -- but I love my boys to pieces and would happy if it hadn't worked! I just have a shit ton of money laying around, and I felt a bit selfish, but we could afford it & thought - why not?" Are you against sex selection, or more about caring about which sex you get?
  • Would you all be so upset about her if she was like "I paid $50k to have a girl, because I wanted one -- but I love my boys to pieces and would happy if it hadn't worked! I just have a shit ton of money laying around, and I felt a bit selfish, but we could afford it & thought - why not?" Are you against sex selection, or more about caring about which sex you get?
    No, I wouldn't have a problem if she threw money to "get her girl" but still loved the hell out of her boys. That's what gets me. I feel like she's doing damage to the boys with her crazy.
    I do not have a problem if she paid that because she wanted a girl, that's her personal decision. My issue is the fact that she was pregnant with a healthy baby and considered aborting him based solely on the fact he is a boy and not a girl like she wanted. What people do with their money and time is their choice, but to say those things about your child is disgusting.
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  • @empirerecords24  Yeah - I do agree with that. I can't judge her for her crazy, but I DO think she needs to do more to protect her kids from it. We don't know for sure how she treats her boys based on how she talked about the ultrasounds, or hell -- how she treats the girl upon whom all her dreams and hopes are riding -- but I wouldn't be surprised if her boys pick up on her disappointment or her girl gets special treatment. She would probably benefit from counseling & the kids would be better off for it!
  • @mangomimosa‌ - I'm sorry you've struggled early in your pregnancy but this lady is not you. How many boy embryos is it okay for her to have created and destroyed in order to get her girl, to still give her a pass? One? Two? Five?
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  • mangomimosamangomimosa member
    edited December 2014
    rm2013 said: @mangomimosa‌ - I'm sorry you've struggled early in your pregnancy but this lady is not you. How many boy embryos is it okay for her to have created and destroyed in order to get her girl, to still give her a pass? One? Two? Five?

    ___ugh quote fail ____

    To be consistent with my values, I *personally* couldn't condemn her - or any woman - for the number of times or the reason(s) for which she chose to terminate a pregnancy. I would definitely sit down and have a long conversation with her about medical risks and mental health concerns, if I was her healthcare provider. I just have to respect her autonomy. (Deep inside, yes, it's a struggle not to judge. I'm human. But I try really hard to be consistent with my values.) Still - to me, her saying she considered abortion was more an example of how severe her depression was. (And that was informed by my own experience with prenatal depression.) 

    I fully respect that you have a different opinion. To me, abortion is the trickiest issue of all. I've done a lot of thinking about it. (I work in an abortion clinic.)
  • I get what you're saying, @mangomimosa‌ and I respect your point - I'm very pro-choice. I think what really chaps my ass is the point @Peledreamsofrain‌ raised - making this "a yardstick for disposing of babies socially" (aptly stated, btw.) Aborting a child and treating your existing children like this, based solely on *WHO* that child is just seems despicable. So personal. If the sex were reversed, as it has often been in many cultures, we'd decry the persecution of females, which is also disgusting. I'm not one for putting rules on someone's reason for choosing an abortion, but this kind of sick, entitled thinking isn't (just) preventing an unwanted birth, it's preventing a birth because of who that baby is and I just can't resolve that in my mind. She's definitely ill.
  • Yeah I'm sorry but I can't sympathize with this woman at all.  I think a good percentage of women experience some form of disappointment when they find out the sex at some point, but there is a huge difference between thinking "aw man, I wanted a girl!" and "hrm, maybe I'll just abort this one and try again next time".  

    This whole discussion made me think of "Home Improvement".  They touched on the sex disappointment concept really well, I feel.  Too bad that show is now 20 years old.

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  • I can't even finish the article. I don't think being disgusted by this sort of behavior indicates one doesn't believe in a woman's right to abortion, but this woman is sick and reckless, and I can and will judge her. She seems like a pretty shitty human to me, so there is a good chance that her daughter will grow up to dislike her, and for sure her sons will, so good on her, she is really getting what she wants. What a disturbingly shallow perspective she has about what matters in life.
  • I really wish this article had comments.  Those would be entertaining to read....

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  • I get what you're saying, @mangomimosa‌ and I respect your point - I'm very pro-choice. I think what really chaps my ass is the point @Peledreamsofrain‌ raised - making this "a yardstick for disposing of babies socially" (aptly stated, btw.) Aborting a child and treating your existing children like this, based solely on *WHO* that child is just seems despicable. So personal. If the sex were reversed, as it has often been in many cultures, we'd decry the persecution of females, which is also disgusting. I'm not one for putting rules on someone's reason for choosing an abortion, but this kind of sick, entitled thinking isn't (just) preventing an unwanted birth, it's preventing a birth because of who that baby is and I just can't resolve that in my mind. She's definitely ill.
    Yeah I am also very pro-choice, but am also looking at a bigger picture with this trend. We are at the point where we can examine an entire genetic code of someone if we want to throw enough money at it. What happens if someone finds out their baby's skin is too dark/light? That the kid isn't tall enough for their taste? Not going to have a football player's build? Hell, wrong eye color even? At what point does it cross from personal choice to straight up depravity? Does the person's access to money give them the right to mow through 40 fetuses to get what they want?


    Right -- this is a very slippery slope, ethically. I haven't figured out those details -- how can I justify thinking it's ok to select a particular sex, but NOT ok to select based on eye color or another physical characteristic? (Though the nature/nurture issue will complicate things for anyone who wants to transfer a tall/smart/etc. embryo...) There has to be some basis for drawing the line. And regarding terminating a pregnancy based on "who that child is" -- I couldn't do it, but if abortion is generally legal, then you can't make some reasons for it allowed and others not allowed. (And people would just lie. You'd have to outlaw sex determination before birth to prevent sex-based terminations.) I admit I don't have a good argument for why I think sex selection should be allowed, to be honest. Maybe because it gives people another option besides mowing through 40 fetuses to get what they want (I guarantee sex-based abortions happen), or besides having 9 kids to get your girl -- 6 of whom you didn't really want and can't really support? I don't really agree that it's akin to genocide (this is why I think strict oversight/regulation is important -- you don't want to swing the 50/50 mix of a population with science). 

    And to be fair, this woman didn't mow through any fetuses to get what she wanted. She thought about it while depressed. She did mow through college tuition for a kid or two, though.
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    salmphil said:

    I get what you're saying, @mangomimosa‌ and I respect your point - I'm very pro-choice. I think what really chaps my ass is the point @Peledreamsofrain‌ raised - making this "a yardstick for disposing of babies socially" (aptly stated, btw.) Aborting a child and treating your existing children like this, based solely on *WHO* that child is just seems despicable. So personal. If the sex were reversed, as it has often been in many cultures, we'd decry the persecution of females, which is also disgusting. I'm not one for putting rules on someone's reason for choosing an abortion, but this kind of sick, entitled thinking isn't (just) preventing an unwanted birth, it's preventing a birth because of who that baby is and I just can't resolve that in my mind. She's definitely ill.


    Yeah I am also very pro-choice, but am also looking at a bigger picture with this trend.

    We are at the point where we can examine an entire genetic code of someone if we want to throw enough money at it. What happens if someone finds out their baby's skin is too dark/light? That the kid isn't tall enough for their taste? Not going to have a football player's build? Hell, wrong eye color even?

    At what point does it cross from personal choice to straight up depravity? Does the person's access to money give them the right to mow through 40 fetuses to get what they want?



    Right -- this is a very slippery slope, ethically. I haven't figured out those details -- how can I justify thinking it's ok to select a particular sex, but NOT ok to select based on eye color or another physical characteristic? (Though the nature/nurture issue will complicate things for anyone who wants to transfer a tall/smart/etc. embryo...) There has to be some basis for drawing the line. And regarding terminating a pregnancy based on "who that child is" -- I couldn't do it, but if abortion is generally legal, then you can't make some reasons for it allowed and others not allowed. (And people would just lie. You'd have to outlaw sex determination before birth to prevent sex-based terminations.) I admit I don't have a good argument for why I think sex selection should be allowed, to be honest. Maybe because it gives people another option besides mowing through 40 fetuses to get what they want (I guarantee sex-based abortions happen), or besides having 9 kids to get your girl -- 6 of whom you didn't really want and can't really support? I don't really agree that it's akin to genocide (this is why I think strict oversight/regulation is important -- you don't want to swing the 50/50 mix of a population with science). 

    And to be fair, this woman didn't mow through any fetuses to get what she wanted. She thought about it while depressed. She did mow through college tuition for a kid or two, though.


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    Interestingly enough, I have heard that in parts of Canada it is illegal to reveal sex in early ultrasounds because of this very reason. They have a lot of populations that apparently try to abort after finding out sex, so they made it illegal to disclose sex until after fetus age is beyond legal abortion limits.
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