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Was talking about car seats, now about pie

JEPES1348JEPES1348 member
edited November 2014 in Cloth Diapering
I feel like I should know this, but I just don't. 

P was an infant last fall/winter, so we dressed her normally (no coats/snowsuits) and put blankets over her in the car seat, and then took the car seat in to daycare, doctor's offices, etc.

Now that she's a toddler in a convertible car seat, how do I dress her? Do I dress her in just long-sleeved shirts/sweaters and put her jacket on in the backseat when I take her out, but before we go into buildings? It's cold out, yo, so we're already to winter jacket season! How do you travel safely and warmly with older kids in car seats?
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  • Kelly11235Kelly11235 member
    We put him in a fleece jacket, we usually park in the garage and it's not that cold.  Crank up the heat in the car.  We'll put his arms in his sleeves and put the jacket on backwards after we buckle him in.  Otherwise we just use a nice warm blanket.

    When we get him out of the car, we'll either bundle him up in the stroller with just the blanket, or the blanket and winter coat if we're going to be outside for a longer time.
    If we're going on a long walk, we'll put him in the carrier and I'll wear him under my coat, which keeps us nice and toasty warm.  And also looks adorable lol.
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  • MandmeeshMandmeesh member
    edited November 2014
    In the car seat with normal clothes. A thin fleece jacket without a hood on top. Then We put a jacket on backwards over him in the seat after buckling. I put the big jacket on M in the backseat to leave the car. Mh insists on doing the blanket-wrap instead of a jacket to go into a store, but I don't think that's warm enough
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  • haileyqhaileyq member
    DS wears a fleece jacket in the car. I try to heat the car up before we go anywhere. I feel like a fleece jacket is warm enough to run in to the store or wherever we are going, combined with a hat and mittens. If we are going somewhere where we will be outside, I bring the big puffy warm jacket and swap them out in the back seat once we are getting out. Extra cold days we add a blanket on top of the legs in the carseat.
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  • nanabanana06nanabanana06
    I start my car 20 minutes before leaving. The kids wear fleece jackets in the car seat, and put on heavier jackets when they get out. I don't layer too much in the car since it's pretty warm in my car and I don't want them to overheat. So, a single layer fleece jacket it is the best option in the seat itself. You can do the backwards jacket thing too, but I prefer not to.
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  • JEPES1348JEPES1348 member
    Okay, so there isn't a magical solution. We do park in the garage, but it's not heated. I also warm up my car prior to leaving. I was just wondering what others do. It's awkward to put the heavier jackets on in the back seat, so thought I must be doing something wrong. Thanks for your input!
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  • CLLDLLCLLDLL member
    mamalamb10 said:

    CLLDLL said:

    I think everyone has it covered.  I have to say I love that this board cares about not using puffy coats in the carseat.  I always watch parents doing DC drop-offs/pick-ups & I judge the crap out of anyone who doesn't have their under 2 year old RF'ing and anyone who has a kid wearing a puffy coat in a carseat.  Sadly that is a good 90% of the parents at our DC. 



    Same here! I saw someone the other day putting snowpants and puffy coats on their probably 2 & 4 year olds. I had Z in a long sleeve shirt, fleece vest, and sweat pants. Then when we went outside I wrapped him in a blanket and put him in a hat.

    Ugh. Even in my nursing mommies group I got got laughed at a little for still having G RF'ing past 2.
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    We did jackets on in the car. If they are puffy jackets, we compressed them before doing the multi point harness. My kids are now in boosters so we aren't able to compress the jacket, but it doesn't get warm in the car quick enough to have to kids take off their jackets before buckling so they leave the jackets on.
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    CLLDLL said:
    I think everyone has it covered.  I have to say I love that this board cares about not using puffy coats in the carseat.  I always watch parents doing DC drop-offs/pick-ups & I judge the crap out of anyone who doesn't have their under 2 year old RF'ing and anyone who has a kid wearing a puffy coat in a carseat.  Sadly that is a good 90% of the parents at our DC. 


    I always feel sorry for the kids who are crammed into the tiny rear facing seats that are not meant to hold a 2 year old. The parents that bother me are those that don't buckle their kids up at all. Most severe injuries and deaths of children and infants in car wrecks are from them not being restrained at all. 
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  • JEPES1348JEPES1348 member
    AggieMom0809 said:
    CLLDLL said:
    I think everyone has it covered.  I have to say I love that this board cares about not using puffy coats in the carseat.  I always watch parents doing DC drop-offs/pick-ups & I judge the crap out of anyone who doesn't have their under 2 year old RF'ing and anyone who has a kid wearing a puffy coat in a carseat.  Sadly that is a good 90% of the parents at our DC. 


    I always feel sorry for the kids who are crammed into the tiny rear facing seats that are not meant to hold a 2 year old. The parents that bother me are those that don't buckle their kids up at all. Most severe injuries and deaths of children and infants in car wrecks are from them not being restrained at all. 
    Whaaat?? Those parents "bother you?" That's illegal for the exact reason you mentioned, not just a minor annoyance. And today many car seats ARE able to accommodate children beyond the age of 2. The kids aren't crammed in there. We're talking about larger car seats, not infant car seats.
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    JEPES1348 said:
    AggieMom0809 said:
    CLLDLL said:
    I think everyone has it covered.  I have to say I love that this board cares about not using puffy coats in the carseat.  I always watch parents doing DC drop-offs/pick-ups & I judge the crap out of anyone who doesn't have their under 2 year old RF'ing and anyone who has a kid wearing a puffy coat in a carseat.  Sadly that is a good 90% of the parents at our DC. 


    I always feel sorry for the kids who are crammed into the tiny rear facing seats that are not meant to hold a 2 year old. The parents that bother me are those that don't buckle their kids up at all. Most severe injuries and deaths of children and infants in car wrecks are from them not being restrained at all. 
    Whaaat?? Those parents "bother you?" That's illegal for the exact reason you mentioned, not just a minor annoyance. And today many car seats ARE able to accommodate children beyond the age of 2. The kids aren't crammed in there. We're talking about larger car seats, not infant car seats.
    No it's not illegal, at least not in Texas. It is a recommendation and not a legal issue. They must be restrained in a safety seat, but it's only up to 1  year for rear facing. Even the larger rear facing seats cram their legs into the tiny space. An not I do not want to mess up my child's hips for life having them scrunched every time they are in the car in the off chance that I run into someone. If someone runs into me, the child is safer to be forward facing. 
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    stringy813 said:
    CLLDLL said:
    I think everyone has it covered.  I have to say I love that this board cares about not using puffy coats in the carseat.  I always watch parents doing DC drop-offs/pick-ups & I judge the crap out of anyone who doesn't have their under 2 year old RF'ing and anyone who has a kid wearing a puffy coat in a carseat.  Sadly that is a good 90% of the parents at our DC. 


    I always feel sorry for the kids who are crammed into the tiny rear facing seats that are not meant to hold a 2 year old. The parents that bother me are those that don't buckle their kids up at all. Most severe injuries and deaths of children and infants in car wrecks are from them not being restrained at all. 
    If the kid has outgrown the weight or height of the seat- they shouldn't be in it- rear or forward facing. If they haven't- they aren't crammed in and they are like a billion times safer rear facing. I feel like this is a pretty common fact/topic around TB and that you are just trying to stir shit up. If you actually didn't know- do some research. Recommendations have changed a lot in recent years and so have the seats.
    Recommendations have changed and they are based on research that is biased. The recommendations are all based on the car the baby/child is in will be in a head-on accident. If the car is rear ended, the child is safer to be forward facing. And if you want to be more accurate, the car seats that have the baby laying down are actually the safest not only if in a car wreck, but also to keep the airway open. They aren't advertised as much because they are not going to make as big of a profit selling a bunch since they do not fit in a single seat. It is also harder to get a child older than a few months to lay down much less for a car ride.
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  • JEPES1348JEPES1348 member
    Our pediatrician is all for ERF, and says it's the safest way to travel (and crash), even for adults. If we could drive backwards, we should.
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  • CLLDLLCLLDLL member
    edited November 2014
    I haven't had enough coffee for this yet.  "compressing" a puffy jacket?  Umm right.  Maybe that mom who was worried about CDs making her baby look obese should learn that trick from Aggie??

    And yes Aggie not having a child in a carseat is definitely more dangerous than having them forward facing.  I think we all agree not buckling your kid is dangerous. Call me a crazy mom, I prefer the safest option (RF'ing) to the safer option (FF'ing). 

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  • Kelly11235Kelly11235 member
    To be fair, I feel badly that my tall toddler has to scrunch up his legs too.  If it were me I'd want to stretch out my legs and relax.

    But safety trumps comfort every single time.
    He'll be rear facing until he's too tall to be in the convertible car seat (because his shoulders & head are too high).

    The people that don't buckle their kid in at all should be arrested for child endangerment.
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  • Kelly11235Kelly11235 member
    I think it may also depend on where you live in the world.
    My in-laws live in England, where the recommendation is still that they can go forward facing at 12 months.
    Our LO was 13 months when we went to visit, he was too tall for an infant seat, so we requested that they get a convertible seat so that we would be able to use it on future visits.  They could only find one rear facing seat that he would fit into, and he was at the very top of the height for it.  They ended up getting a forward facing seat for him.  We only had to use it for 2 weeks, and the next time he visits he will be 3 years old.
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  • flummadiddle85flummadiddle85 member
    Chickypoo2468 said:
    Did no one catch that she just compresses her kids puffy coats?

    I caught it. But there was just so much wrong with everything she said, and I ain't got no time for that shit. And it'sAggie again. Not worth the time. Although, I am tempted to disagree with her about everything she posts around here.... Just cuz.
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  • PipSqueak0313PipSqueak0313 member
    Call me the weird one but I much preferred riding rear facing in the backseat of my parents' 1979 Chevy Chevette.......without the car seat......as a preteen in 1982, when things like that were not illegal. Therefore, no one can convince me that rear facing with longer legs is uncomfortable especially when sitting in a seat designed for it. Back to the original question, I moved my 17-18 pound 20 month old back to his infant seat just so I could buckle and bundle him up inside and then just snap his seat into the base so that I could avoid this issue for one more winter.....while I pray that we move somewhere with warm winters so I don't have to think about next winter.

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    Kelly11235 said:
    I think it may also depend on where you live in the world.
    My in-laws live in England, where the recommendation is still that they can go forward facing at 12 months.
    Our LO was 13 months when we went to visit, he was too tall for an infant seat, so we requested that they get a convertible seat so that we would be able to use it on future visits.  They could only find one rear facing seat that he would fit into, and he was at the very top of the height for it.  They ended up getting a forward facing seat for him.  We only had to use it for 2 weeks, and the next time he visits he will be 3 years old.
    Too true. As I understand it, the UK is relatively lax compared to other parts of the EU. We had to buy our RF carseat from a Swedish vendor, because with the regs being what they are here, most stores that carry car seats believe there isn't a market for them. But it is perfectly legal to use any seat with an EU sticker here.  For future reference, https://shop.carseat.se
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    stringy813 said:
    Thanks for posting that maple. I can deal with ignoring stupidity and trolls - but actually putting kids in danger is a little different.  Its like the 4 wheeler incident.

    Aggie- just watch a crash test video of rf vs ff and try to decide which one you'd want YOUR toddler in.

    Then again, if you believe all of the crash tests are rigged and marketed for corporations, there's no hope.  Except why, then, do they sell seats you can use from birth through booster without buying another?
    I have watched them. Many of them. Even the people who supply the dummies for the tests have admitted that they are not weighted like an infant/child and will react differently in an actual crash.
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    Chickypoo2468 said:
    To be fair, I feel badly that my tall toddler has to scrunch up his legs too.  If it were me I'd want to stretch out my legs and relax.

    But safety trumps comfort every single time.
    He'll be rear facing until he's too tall to be in the convertible car seat (because his shoulders & head are too high).

    The people that don't buckle their kid in at all should be arrested for child endangerment.
    But that's not how toddlers sit anyway. They sit on their knees, cross legged, etc.
    I don't know of any toddler that sits with their legs crossed unless they've been taught and told to do so (which I have a problem with too since it's not good for kids to sit with their legs crossed even out of a car, yet schools/society force this). Yes they do tend to sit on their knees/legs with their hips spread slightly apart (about as much as they would be with their legs comfortably extended). They are not sitting on their knees in the car seat. 

    And again. How would it even be possible to argue that rear facing is always best if not every wreck is from the same impact direction. By that logic physics would force you in the same direction in a rear end collision as it would in a head on. smh
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    Mapleme said:
    I think I'm just going to deliberately ignore anything that AM says. However, I want to say to any lurkers out there that think that she might have some idea budding that AM is right (about almost anything), should know that 60% of crashes are head on, 20% are rear enders and 20% are side impact. The force of a head on crash is multiplicatively higher than rear ends. For example if you are gong 25 mph and head on crash into someone going 35 mph (residential neighborhood speeds), it is as if you smashed headfirst into a wall going 60 mph. Big ouch. If you are going 25 and someone rear ends you going 35, the combined force actually only works out to be like crashing at 10 mph. That will damage your car and make your day suck for sure, but everyone is probably going  to walk away. As much as I want to protect my little baby 100% of the time, that's not possible. So instead I'm going to protect my baby against the thing that is more dangerous and more likely to happen. If you (lurkers, not AM) want more info, Car Seats for the Littles has lots of great info on their website and FB group about why certain behaviors are tremendously safer than other.
    Or just be a more careful driver and leave a safe following distance. You have skewed the stats a bit though. The 60 includes both frontal and head on. Which of that, the majority are the frontal crashes.
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  • PB&J714PB&J714 member
    omfg. You can only control YOU on the road. It's all the other assholes you have to worry about. You can drive as safe as you like and still get into a collision at the fault of the other driver.
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  • JEPES1348JEPES1348 member
    Being a more careful driver will not prevent someone from crashing into you. WTF is wrong with your thinking?
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    AggieMom0809 said:
    Mapleme said:
    I think I'm just going to deliberately ignore anything that AM says. However, I want to say to any lurkers out there that think that she might have some idea budding that AM is right (about almost anything), should know that 60% of crashes are head on, 20% are rear enders and 20% are side impact. The force of a head on crash is multiplicatively higher than rear ends. For example if you are gong 25 mph and head on crash into someone going 35 mph (residential neighborhood speeds), it is as if you smashed headfirst into a wall going 60 mph. Big ouch. If you are going 25 and someone rear ends you going 35, the combined force actually only works out to be like crashing at 10 mph. That will damage your car and make your day suck for sure, but everyone is probably going  to walk away. As much as I want to protect my little baby 100% of the time, that's not possible. So instead I'm going to protect my baby against the thing that is more dangerous and more likely to happen. If you (lurkers, not AM) want more info, Car Seats for the Littles has lots of great info on their website and FB group about why certain behaviors are tremendously safer than other.
    Or just be a more careful driver and leave a safe following distance. You have skewed the stats a bit though. The 60 includes both frontal and head on. Which of that, the majority are the frontal crashes.

    Cuz a safe following distance would have totally prevented the accident MH had in the parking lot last winter when someone cut across the space sand hit him head on. End sarcasm.
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    PB&J714 said:
    omfg. You can only control YOU on the road. It's all the other assholes you have to worry about. You can drive as safe as you like and still get into a collision at the fault of the other driver.
    Exactly! and yet there are way too many people tail gating even with children in their cars, not pay attention, running red lights and crashing into people. You can keep yourself from hitting someone head on in most cases by being a defensive driver and not an "asshole" which will help keep you and your child out of a head on or front end collision. In which case, your baby will be safer off forward facing when you become a better driver.
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    flummadiddle85 said:
    AggieMom0809 said:
    Mapleme said:
    I think I'm just going to deliberately ignore anything that AM says. However, I want to say to any lurkers out there that think that she might have some idea budding that AM is right (about almost anything), should know that 60% of crashes are head on, 20% are rear enders and 20% are side impact. The force of a head on crash is multiplicatively higher than rear ends. For example if you are gong 25 mph and head on crash into someone going 35 mph (residential neighborhood speeds), it is as if you smashed headfirst into a wall going 60 mph. Big ouch. If you are going 25 and someone rear ends you going 35, the combined force actually only works out to be like crashing at 10 mph. That will damage your car and make your day suck for sure, but everyone is probably going  to walk away. As much as I want to protect my little baby 100% of the time, that's not possible. So instead I'm going to protect my baby against the thing that is more dangerous and more likely to happen. If you (lurkers, not AM) want more info, Car Seats for the Littles has lots of great info on their website and FB group about why certain behaviors are tremendously safer than other.
    Or just be a more careful driver and leave a safe following distance. You have skewed the stats a bit though. The 60 includes both frontal and head on. Which of that, the majority are the frontal crashes.

    Cuz a safe following distance would have totally prevented the accident MH had in the parking lot last winter when someone cut across the space sand hit him head on. End sarcasm.
    And I'm sure they weren't cutting through the parking lot themselves. Oh and he was looking around at all times going 10mph or less (seeing as how it was a parking lot) like they should have been to see the other car coming in time to react to it.
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    nanabanana06 said:
    Ok, I'm going to have put on my mod hat now. Everyone, stop feeding the troll. Don't you see she only posts in posts where she'll get the most amount of drama. It's like she purposefully posts the most inflammatory responses, no matter how absurdly flawed the logic is, in order to get us to sharpen our pitchforks and light our torches. Please stop before it escalates and I have to warn someone on here. Nobody has crossed a line yet, but I'd rather not get to that line in the first place. This is the epitome of trolling.
    I find it a problem that I am being called a troll by the mod. I post in many threads on a few boards. Some on controversial some are not. I post what I believe. I post what I practice. There is nothing wrong with having a differing opinion that doesn't go along with everyone else.
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    It's a problem when that's ALL you post. Incessantly. 
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