I stuck my foot in my mouth...after all my bragging about successfully night weaning my 4 month old cold turkey we are now having issues. Our initial sleep training went great. He slept 11-12 hours a night with little protest and without eating (no dreamfeed) for 2 whole weeks. Then he got sick and wasn't eating a lot during the day so I went back to feeding him a couple times a night. Now he's better but still waking and spent over an hour crying tonight (with the initial training he cried once for 20 mins and once for 40). Now I'm questioning if it's too early to totally night wean him. He's 19 weeks. I'm feeling totally discouraged and want to give up. I'm telling myself he's too young to sleep train and/or night wean.
A little extra background...We're EBF and prior to the initial successful sleep training we were waking to feed every 2 hours or so!
Eta: Tonight he went down easily at 6:45, woke and fussed for 5 minutes at 10, woke at 11 and cried for over an hour. I stayed strong and he finally fell asleep. He's asleep now so we'll see how the rest of the night goes.
@CAMag what a bummer after all that progress! Does your mom know anyone you could borrow a PnP from? from what I rmemeber, you're going to be there awhile, right?
@maddierosie We had weaned DS as well, but then he started waking between 3-4am and was difficult to settle. No issues since we re-instituted 1 dream feed before bed. No regrets about putting it back into the mix since he sleeps so much better now.
@MaddieRosie Can you try a dream feed until LO hits 5 mo? Are the night wakings consistent? Can you re-wean?
I'm not sure what to do! Do you think a 19 week old is ok to go 12 hours without feeds? He's 18 pounds but still it seems like such a long time for an infant. What did you do during illnesses or vacation? I hate to derail our progress everytime something comes up. It seems unfair to him.
@MaddieRosie Can you try a dream feed until LO hits 5 mo? Are the night wakings consistent? Can you re-wean?
I'm not sure what to do! Do you think a 19 week old is ok to go 12 hours without feeds? He's 18 pounds but still it seems like such a long time for an infant. What did you do during illnesses or vacation? I hate to derail our progress everytime something comes up. It seems unfair to him.
If you really want to feed, do a dream feed. The book recommends that up to 5 mo. Once we were off of night feedings, when the kids are sick, we just comfort w/o feeding over night.
@MaddieRosie Can you try a dream feed until LO hits 5 mo? Are the night wakings consistent? Can you re-wean?
I'm not sure what to do! Do you think a 19 week old is ok to go 12 hours without feeds? He's 18 pounds but still it seems like such a long time for an infant. What did you do during illnesses or vacation? I hate to derail our progress everytime something comes up. It seems unfair to him.
If you really want to feed, do a dream feed. The book recommends that up to 5 mo. Once we were off of night feedings, when the kids are sick, we just comfort w/o feeding over night.
So for comfort, would you actually pick them up, rock them, etc?
One of the reasons I went back to feeding was because I perceived he wasn't eating enough during the day. He was so congested his feeds seemed much shorter than usual and he seemed pretty disinterested in nursing.
@maddierosie If needed. If they were super miserable, we'd give them some Motrin when they woke up and they'd normally go right back to sleep. Honestly, after they both got a handle on sleeping, they rarely wake up when sick. Only if something is really wrong.
ETA- Also, I can't thank you enough! Tomorrow will be two weeks of sleeping through the night for us!!! We couldn't have done it without your help!!!! Naps are starting to work themselves out too!
So finally got the book, read it over twice. Last night was day 1 of sleep training and weaning. She cried for about 1hr20. Almost into her dreamfeed. The problem we faced was the night feedings. As the book said we planned to dreamfeed her an hour before her regular time. Which should have been 930pm, 1 am & 4am. So she gets up at 12:20, cries it out for 10 min, until she falls asleep (for 15min) then I fed her. She then woke up again at 3:30am, I repeated the same process. She fell asleep for 40 min and woke up again. At this point I was bad and topped her off with 2 ounces and she fell asleep.
I feel like I ruined the whole night! Should I adjust my feeding times? Or should I keep them the same ?
@jazznit1984 Good job waiting! That is so hard when you are tired. That happened to me with DS. Why don't you try 9:30 dream feed and 12/3 for your weaned feeds. We had to monkey around with the times for our weaned feedings, too.
I've been trying to put this off out of fear but I am finally joining you ladies. I have been stalking this thread hoping our sleep problems would pass, but they have not. DS had been sleeping through the night (fairly easy to put down, no wake ups) since about 2 months, but the last 2-3 weeks have been awful (screaming when it was time to go to bed, waking multiple times through the night, no naps, etc). This weekend I finally gave in and bought the book. Saturday was our first night and it was awful! DH was working so I was on my own. Last night was better, but I still felt like I was ripping my heart out - all I wanted to do was go in there and scoop him up and cuddle him. It was so hard to stay downstairs - I think I might have cried more than him!! I don't think I would be doing this if I had not seen all of your successes so thank you all for posting your experiences! I think that is the only thing getting me through right now!
I've been trying to put this off out of fear but I am finally joining you ladies. I have been stalking this thread hoping our sleep problems would pass, but they have not. DS had been sleeping through the night (fairly easy to put down, no wake ups) since about 2 months, but the last 2-3 weeks have been awful (screaming when it was time to go to bed, waking multiple times through the night, no naps, etc). This weekend I finally gave in and bought the book. Saturday was our first night and it was awful! DH was working so I was on my own. Last night was better, but I still felt like I was ripping my heart out - all I wanted to do was go in there and scoop him up and cuddle him. It was so hard to stay downstairs - I think I might have cried more than him!! I don't think I would be doing this if I had not seen all of your successes so thank you all for posting your experiences! I think that is the only thing getting me through right now!
It gets easier! You'll be surprised at how quickly he'll learn if you are consistent. Hang in there
Okay I need to get this book!! Does it help with naps? My LO does okay at night in her crib but her naps are the worst! Short cat naps!
Our naps have improved, but still aren't where I'd like them to be. She used to only sleep for 30 minutes and now she sleeps 45-55 minutes. The biggest change for us is that she naps in the crib instead of on me.
I've been trying to put this off out of fear but I am finally joining you ladies. I have been stalking this thread hoping our sleep problems would pass, but they have not. DS had been sleeping through the night (fairly easy to put down, no wake ups) since about 2 months, but the last 2-3 weeks have been awful (screaming when it was time to go to bed, waking multiple times through the night, no naps, etc). This weekend I finally gave in and bought the book. Saturday was our first night and it was awful! DH was working so I was on my own. Last night was better, but I still felt like I was ripping my heart out - all I wanted to do was go in there and scoop him up and cuddle him. It was so hard to stay downstairs - I think I might have cried more than him!! I don't think I would be doing this if I had not seen all of your successes so thank you all for posting your experiences! I think that is the only thing getting me through right now!
I could have written this except I haven't given in and bought the book or started yet. I imagine I'm going to be joining this thread very soon...
@Jenn111211 I think @meg2j suggested it, but it does help DS sleep longer if I give him a little snack before nap. Usually about a 5 min nursing session.
I've been reading this thread and seeing what is working for all of you ladies and finally ordered the book yesterday. I plan to read it while we're on vacation next week and start training when we get home. Of course, LO slept through the night last night unassisted but I know better than to think that's gonna stick. Generally at nighttime we get two wakeups, but the real issue for us has been naps. This past weekend she MAYBE slept 90 mins each day total.
@camag DS is normally happy when I go in, but gets fussy if I'm not able to get him out of the sleep sack in under 10 seconds. He's like, "Hi! I love you! Oh wait...I'm SO HUNGRY"
Night 2. She literally did not cry. I fed her pablum and gave her her bottle in her high chair. Brought her to bed , but on her grow bag. But on her white noise. Turned off the lights (her room is pitch black). Held her standing up and sang one quick round of 'you are my sunshine' . She was squirming in my arms, so I knew she was awake. Put her down and left the room. And she didn't make a sound!
I did as @nunzchucks suggested and fed her at 9pm, 12am, 3am. I even set my alarm at 2:50am just in case she decided to do her early waking trick again. We'll guess who woke up at 2:45? My girl. So after 20 min of crying, 15 min of sleeping I gave her her last feed and she woke at 7am, on the dot!
Tonight is night 3. We had appointments today so her daily naps were off. But come nighttime we did the exact same routine to a T. She went down again without a peep. Excited to see how tonight goes. All feedings are prepped minus an ounce.
Fingers crossed!
Also tomorrow night I'm going to see Mockingjay. So Daddy is gonna do the routine. Hope it goes well!
I have a question (I don't remember this being answered yet but I could be wrong). DS is doing pretty well at soothing himself, but he loves to sleep on his side. Because he moves around so much while he is trying to go to sleep, he usually ends up on his belly. He can't figure out how to sleep on his belly so this just makes him cry more (a lot of the times he has stopped crying but starts again when he flips over which prolongs the crying/trying to soothe period before sleep). I can see that he is on his belly crying on the monitor. Do I go in and flip him onto his back when he does this? Do I wait until the check in and then flip him (this is what I have been doing even though you are not supposed to touch them)? Do I just leave him and hope he eventually falls asleep on his belly? This is also what has been waking him up in the night and multiple times in the morning. Is it ok to flip him to his back and will he eventually learn to do this himself?
@frenchchocolate611 I don't have an answer for that one and the book doesn't seem to address it. He won't sleep on his tummy at all? Are you sure he doesn't want to be tummy sleeping and is just settling?
Thanks, Ladies. It seems that the am crying has resolved itself, but I definitely can't wait too long on the bottle.
Now I have a new question, @nunzchucks:
For the past two nights, Q has woken up in the MOTN and cried on and off for 30-45m. We are on week 3. Should I be considering this teething at this point & comforting? I've done two nights of CIO w/ checks, but it seems like it shouldn't be an 'extinction burst' by now <--which is technically incorrect, btw... It's actually called Spontaneous Recovery (sorry - pet peeve of mine from the book).
It worries me to go in and pick up & undo our efforts, but I don't want to leave him to cry if in pain. </div>
From here on out, it is use your best judgement. DS regularly wakes between 3:30 and 4:30 to fuss (and is sometimes up for the day!). We have been letting him go. Checks make things worse for us. If you think going in will help, go in. If you think you'll only make the situation worse, I would hold off.
Re: The SleepEasy Thread
A little extra background...We're EBF and prior to the initial successful sleep training we were waking to feed every 2 hours or so!
Eta: Tonight he went down easily at 6:45, woke and fussed for 5 minutes at 10, woke at 11 and cried for over an hour. I stayed strong and he finally fell asleep. He's asleep now so we'll see how the rest of the night goes.
One of the reasons I went back to feeding was because I perceived he wasn't eating enough during the day. He was so congested his feeds seemed much shorter than usual and he seemed pretty disinterested in nursing.
ETA- Also, I can't thank you enough! Tomorrow will be two weeks of sleeping through the night for us!!! We couldn't have done it without your help!!!! Naps are starting to work themselves out too!
Update from us:
He's sleeping 7-7 with 1 dreamfeed
Naps are between 40-75m and he's going down for these with very minimal fuss
This coming from a previously co-sleeping baby who also had naps on myself or Dad, but never in his actual crib.
Married DH 7/30/11
CSC arrived 5/7/12
CHC arrived 6/2/14
We discovered that I birthed the special snowflake that only needs 10.5 hrs of sleep. Hooray for 5AM wake times...
She cried for about 1hr20. Almost into her dreamfeed.
The problem we faced was the night feedings. As the book said we planned to dreamfeed her an hour before her regular time. Which should have been 930pm, 1 am & 4am.
So she gets up at 12:20, cries it out for 10 min, until she falls asleep (for 15min) then I fed her. She then woke up again at 3:30am, I repeated the same process. She fell asleep for 40 min and woke up again. At this point I was bad and topped her off with 2 ounces and she fell asleep.
I feel like I ruined the whole night!
Should I adjust my feeding times? Or should I keep them the same ?
She has a bad habit of waking at 5ish. If she does, should i also include a DF or just let her CIO ?
I've been trying to put this off out of fear but I am finally joining you ladies. I have been stalking this thread hoping our sleep problems would pass, but they have not. DS had been sleeping through the night (fairly easy to put down, no wake ups) since about 2 months, but the last 2-3 weeks have been awful (screaming when it was time to go to bed, waking multiple times through the night, no naps, etc). This weekend I finally gave in and bought the book. Saturday was our first night and it was awful! DH was working so I was on my own. Last night was better, but I still felt like I was ripping my heart out - all I wanted to do was go in there and scoop him up and cuddle him. It was so hard to stay downstairs - I think I might have cried more than him!! I don't think I would be doing this if I had not seen all of your successes so thank you all for posting your experiences! I think that is the only thing getting me through right now!
@Jenn111211 I think @meg2j suggested it, but it does help DS sleep longer if I give him a little snack before nap. Usually about a 5 min nursing session.
She literally did not cry.
I fed her pablum and gave her her bottle in her high chair. Brought her to bed , but on her grow bag. But on her white noise. Turned off the lights (her room is pitch black). Held her standing up and sang one quick round of 'you are my sunshine' . She was squirming in my arms, so I knew she was awake. Put her down and left the room. And she didn't make a sound!
I did as @nunzchucks suggested and fed her at 9pm, 12am, 3am. I even set my alarm at 2:50am just in case she decided to do her early waking trick again. We'll guess who woke up at 2:45? My girl. So after 20 min of crying, 15 min of sleeping I gave her her last feed and she woke at 7am, on the dot!
Tonight is night 3. We had appointments today so her daily naps were off. But come nighttime we did the exact same routine to a T. She went down again without a peep. Excited to see how tonight goes. All feedings are prepped minus an ounce.
Fingers crossed!
Also tomorrow night I'm going to see Mockingjay. So Daddy is gonna do the routine. Hope it goes well!
I have a question (I don't remember this being answered yet but I could be wrong). DS is doing pretty well at soothing himself, but he loves to sleep on his side. Because he moves around so much while he is trying to go to sleep, he usually ends up on his belly. He can't figure out how to sleep on his belly so this just makes him cry more (a lot of the times he has stopped crying but starts again when he flips over which prolongs the crying/trying to soothe period before sleep). I can see that he is on his belly crying on the monitor. Do I go in and flip him onto his back when he does this? Do I wait until the check in and then flip him (this is what I have been doing even though you are not supposed to touch them)? Do I just leave him and hope he eventually falls asleep on his belly? This is also what has been waking him up in the night and multiple times in the morning. Is it ok to flip him to his back and will he eventually learn to do this himself?
From here on out, it is use your best judgement. DS regularly wakes between 3:30 and 4:30 to fuss (and is sometimes up for the day!). We have been letting him go. Checks make things worse for us. If you think going in will help, go in. If you think you'll only make the situation worse, I would hold off.