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be888 · November 2014

I know you have them. Let's hear what you got!

be888 · November 2014

UO: While I find SS post really annoying, I don't get why every single regular poster, then has to post their own SS response in the thread.

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jk3610 · November 2014

getoffmyballs said:

Most M&M milkshakes or ice creams are only horrible mouth teasers. "You want an M&M milkshake? Just kidding. They aren't M&M's, they're rocks."

Agreed. (Also, weird quote box fail on my part.)

jk3610 · November 2014

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I will start off by saying that I am also not against government assistance. But when you come through my line with a food stamp card, you're buying cookies and pop AND you have an iPhone and fancy manicure, you will get the stink eye from me.

kassiz · November 2014

snegde said:
I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment.

No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

This times a thousand!

Edited because typing is hard :-(

jk3610 · November 2014

@SharkFarts‌, I guess i just mean that it makes me feel like the program is being put to better use when they buy stuff that makes better meals for their kids (meat, bread, pasta, fruit, etc)

Eta: temporarily mobile so totally screwed up quote tree.

BabiesEverywhere · November 2014

snegde said:
If only my opinion was this popular in the real world. I honestly think I'm just heartbroken over infertility and the way it impacts people's lives. We were fortunate to have insurance coverage that paid for our IVF. We had about 5k in other medical expenses with fertility stuff this year but I have several friends who will likely never have a family because they can't afford IVF or because IVF hasn't worked the first time and can't afford another round. So despite being 18 weeks it's still so hard to hear about people who get pregnant without trying. And then to not be able to afford the baby. Or expect others to pay for the baby - is just more than I can handle today.

Kind of in this same category - I don't understand why adoption is as expensive as it is. Maybe it would help me to see a breakdown of where all the costs go, but it also breaks my heart when a family who can't afford fertility treatment also can't afford to adopt a child.

BabiesEverywhere · November 2014

snegde said:

BabiesEverywhere said:

snegde said:
If only my opinion was this popular in the real world. I honestly think I'm just heartbroken over infertility and the way it impacts people's lives. We were fortunate to have insurance coverage that paid for our IVF. We had about 5k in other medical expenses with fertility stuff this year but I have several friends who will likely never have a family because they can't afford IVF or because IVF hasn't worked the first time and can't afford another round. So despite being 18 weeks it's still so hard to hear about people who get pregnant without trying. And then to not be able to afford the baby. Or expect others to pay for the baby - is just more than I can handle today.
Kind of in this same category - I don't understand why adoption is as expensive as it is. Maybe it would help me to see a breakdown of where all the costs go, but it also breaks my heart when a family who can't afford fertility treatment also can't afford to adopt a child.
Yup. And the people say shit like "good people get babies." When I was trying to conceive people would say that shit to me all the time - "you guys are good people you deserve a baby so you will get one. Don't worry. "

Good grief. This makes me stabby. I'm so sorry you had to listen to comments like that.

starshollow · November 2014

jk3610 said:

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment.

No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I will start off by saying that I am also not against government assistance. But when you come through my line with a food stamp card, you're buying cookies and pop AND you have an iPhone and fancy manicure, you will get the stink eye from me.

Edit- quote fail-------------
Nope nope nope nope. Don't judge someone on assistance that has an iPhone or nice nails. Picture the family that lives in a middle class neighborhood. A parent is suddenly laid off from work struggling to a new job. The family has a nice car (already paid off), iPhone, nice clothes. They get help from the government to help feed their small children while looking for work. They put their pride aside and use food stamps. And now they have you judging them because they didn't sell all of their possession? Yeah, you don't have the right to judge.

jk3610 · November 2014

starshollow said:

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I will start off by saying that I am also not against government assistance. But when you come through my line with a food stamp card, you're buying cookies and pop AND you have an iPhone and fancy manicure, you will get the stink eye from me.
Edit- quote fail------------- Nope nope nope nope. Don't judge someone on assistance that has an iPhone or nice nails. Picture the family that lives in a middle class neighborhood. A parent is suddenly laid off from work struggling to a new job. The family has a nice car (already paid off), iPhone, nice clothes. They get help from the government to help feed their small children while looking for work. They put their pride aside and use food stamps. And now they have you judging them because they didn't sell all of their possession? Yeah, you don't have the right to judge.

Good point. Sorry if what I said came off wrong. :-(

starshollow · November 2014

jk3610 said:

starshollow said:

jk3610 said:

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment.

No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I will start off by saying that I am also not against government assistance. But when you come through my line with a food stamp card, you're buying cookies and pop AND you have an iPhone and fancy manicure, you will get the stink eye from me.
Edit- quote fail-------------
Nope nope nope nope. Don't judge someone on assistance that has an iPhone or nice nails. Picture the family that lives in a middle class neighborhood. A parent is suddenly laid off from work struggling to a new job. The family has a nice car (already paid off), iPhone, nice clothes. They get help from the government to help feed their small children while looking for work. They put their pride aside and use food stamps. And now they have you judging them because they didn't sell all of their possession? Yeah, you don't have the right to judge.

Good point. Sorry if what I said came off wrong. :-(

It's ok. I've been around these boards for a long time and this is a common UO that comes up.

It really got put in perspective when a mother at my school came to me last year in tears last year to back out of chaperoning a field trip because the $15 was too much. Her husband was laid off and they didn't have the money. I was surprised because outwardly they looked like they were doing ok. In reality they were trying to hold it together in front of their kids while trying to figure out how to not lose their house. (I let her come for free in my place and I paid for myself to go)

Duffgurl · November 2014

In regards to the food stamp and such. I judge more when I see people use those food stamp/cash aid cards to get their monies from cash aid to then purchase cigarettes and alcohol. I personally don't think you should be able to buy those items with government assistance. If you are getting soda or cookies whatever don't care too much.

jk3610 · November 2014

starshollow said:

jk3610 said:

starshollow said:

jk3610 said:

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment.

No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I will start off by saying that I am also not against government assistance. But when you come through my line with a food stamp card, you're buying cookies and pop AND you have an iPhone and fancy manicure, you will get the stink eye from me.
Edit- quote fail-------------
Nope nope nope nope. Don't judge someone on assistance that has an iPhone or nice nails. Picture the family that lives in a middle class neighborhood. A parent is suddenly laid off from work struggling to a new job. The family has a nice car (already paid off), iPhone, nice clothes. They get help from the government to help feed their small children while looking for work. They put their pride aside and use food stamps. And now they have you judging them because they didn't sell all of their possession? Yeah, you don't have the right to judge.

Good point. Sorry if what I said came off wrong. :-(

It's ok. I've been around these boards for a long time and this is a common UO that comes up.

It really got put in perspective when a mother at my school came to me last year in tears last year to back out of chaperoning a field trip because the $15 was too much. Her husband was laid off and they didn't have the money. I was surprised because outwardly they looked like they were doing ok. In reality they were trying to hold it together in front of their kids while trying to figure out how to not lose their house. (I let her come for free in my place and I paid for myself to go)

There are for sure cases where people just need the temporary assistance when someone gets laid off but there are still too many people that work the system.

Duffgurl · November 2014

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

be888 · November 2014

galnoir said:

be888 said:

UO: While I find SS post really annoying, I don't get why every single regular poster, then has to post their own SS response in the thread.

I have this confusion too but it doesn't bother me one way or another. The thing that I find frustrating is some posters get in this mode of shooting down posts and go after ones that do have value to a lot of people on the board. Don't weaken your AW blasters by wasting ammo!

I agree about some of the posts that have been shut down in the last few days. Unless the post is clearly offensive or ridiculous, I don't see why everyone has to chime in on googling or "rules" of the community. Just like any other posts, I find it easier to just ignore those.

kread8 · November 2014

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I just fell in love with you. So much this. So much.

jk3610 · November 2014

snegde said:

kread8 said:

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I just fell in love with you. So much this. So much.

I am actually annoyed that the conversation has now turned to people on food stamps eating candy or junk food. No offense to those who went there but that coversation has been had but I guess it's easier than thinking about people never getting to have a child because they can't afford adoption or IVF.

Sorry, snegde! :-(

be888 · November 2014

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

In my province of birth, you can get up to 3 rounds of IVF paid for by the government. I have some friends that have been able to have children because of that program. Otherwise they would not have been able to afford the treatments. I'm sorry for your struggles

jk3610 · November 2014

snegde said:

jk3610 said:

snegde said:

kread8 said:

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

I just fell in love with you. So much this. So much.

I am actually annoyed that the conversation has now turned to people on food stamps eating candy or junk food. No offense to those who went there but that coversation has been had but I guess it's easier than thinking about people never getting to have a child because they can't afford adoption or IVF.

Sorry, snegde! :-(

I still love you. no worries. I am just in an "I hate infertility/pregnancy loss" funk. I know this is silly because I am pregnant and all but lots of people I am close to are struggling. So mostly I should be apologizing... and probably crawling into a blanket fort and not posting for a bit.

understandable. i think about that stuff too. i've thankfully never struggled, but i know people outside of the bump who have and it sort of just messes with you sometimes i guess. my sister has a close friend who has been trying to get pregnant for a few years and just can't. i know when my sister was pregnant, she had so much guilt in sharing the news with the friend (even though it's not like the friend was mad about her being pregnant.) still, makes you think.

NoraMia · November 2014

Duffgurl said:

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

Totally agree with this one. I do not like to see toddlers on, lack for a better a word, leashes. Just hold your child's hand and keep and eye on him/her.

be888 · November 2014

Duffgurl said:

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

I think that is a pretty popular opinion actually. Before I had a toddler, I had the same opinion, but I can see why people use them now in crowded places where having a stroller is a PITA.

ElizabethSwann · November 2014

Eh i dont leash my kid, but now especially after going to a place like Disney, and i had a runner, I would def use a leash.

I am happy my kid is content in a stroller, but a lot of kids aren't.

be888 · November 2014

NoraMia said:

Duffgurl said:

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

Totally agree with this one. I do not like to see toddlers on, lack for a better a word, leashes. Just hold your child's hand and keep and eye on him/her.

The problem with hand holding is that sometimes you need said hand for opening a door, or paying something. The moment I release my son's hand, he is already 10 feet away.

ETA: I do not use a leash, but just wanted to point out a day to day situation where hand holding is not ideal.

AshleighK305 · November 2014

Duffgurl said:

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

THIS! I feel the same way. I will not use them.

kitc101 · November 2014

snegde said:

I am so over unplanned pregnancies that people can't afford being taken care of by the government while reasonable hard working people who pay taxes and contribute to society who are infertile are left with little to no options to have a family without accumulating mounds of debt. I understand and support government assistance in some cases but it is abused entirely too often. And don't even get me started on the insurance companies support for erectile dysfunction but lack of support for infertility treatment. No one promised fair but damn just a little bit of fair would be nice sometimes.

Amen!!!

I am NOT against government assistance for those who genuinely need it. I have never judged anyone for using government assistance. However, I have witnessed far too many cases of abuse of the system. The problem is that the branch handling food assistance/welfare/whatever your area calls it, it is so understaffed that they can't keep track of everyone.

I completely understand your feelings on those abusing the system and able to have heards of children while others who yearn for a child, have steady jobs/income/housing, are struggling with infertility.

MagalinaH · November 2014

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mbm1983 said:
There are statistics on this somewhere that i can't find right now. But an overwhelming number are people not abusing the system. Let's not forget there are also low wage workers out there that can't make a liveable wage and still have to get food stamps. The point is, you don't know anyone else's situation and if you ever find yourself in that situation, trust me, your perception towards it would change. Being on food stamps is not glamorous, or something people want to do for extended amounts of time. Having no money is a constant point of stress and our society isn't built to turn poor people into rich people. The poor stay poor. The rich get richer and the middle class struggles to get by with no help.

You beat me to it. I'm also not sure on the exact statistics, but I believe it's something like 80-85% of families that receive government assistance are off of it within 1 year. I hate the idea of people taking advantage of the system and I would love it if there were a better way to monitor it in a way that limits the possibility of abuse. I've always had the mindset that I'd rather it be available knowing that some people are going to take advantage of it, than to get rid of it or make it more difficult for families that really need it.

My teacher analogy is that it's not fair to punish the entire class because of what 1 or 2 students did.

jk3610 · November 2014

mbm1983 said:

I get a lot of feels when people start bringing up their judgement about people on government assistance. Most of my family is. Most of my community is. We live here because it is cheap. Wages are low too because of that though. Most work full time and still need assistance. They aren't leaching off the system. They are using a program meant to help those like them. I make a decent wage that puts me just over the threshold to qualify for assistance (i miss wic right now by $3. THREE.) We deal with it. But fuck anyone who judges my grocery cart if i ever had to be on food stamps. Poor people can have junk food too. And saving? Pfft. As soon as i get $500 in my savings here comes unknown medical expenses or the need for new brakes or tires on my ONE vehicle. Saving isn't that easy when you live paycheck to paycheck. if we're gonna continue this conversation then i have to walk away. Because it makes me emotional. And i don't feel like being emotional about it today. So i'll end with just let the poor have their fucking skittles and leave hem alone. They don't have much else.

Sorry you were offended but almost everyone has dropped this except you...

Munchkin42015 · November 2014

it's very sad that the system is taken advantage of all the time. But for families like my husband and I, we are very happy it's there. My husband was recently let go from the military because of all the cut backs through the government. My husband was not the only one either. There were roughly 800+ service members just from our base who were let go due to cut backs and this is something still going on today on every military instillation. My husband was in for 3 years and 7 months and was told that because he wasn't in for 4+ years we could not get severence pay or transitional health insurance. I was also 2 months pregnant when he was discharged. I'm currently on Medicaid and my husband was on unemployment for 6 weeks (which we haven't gotten paid for yet) and luckily he now has a job and I have a job so we can get back on our feet. My mom made a good point when I was applying for Medicaid which was that, she's happy to know that something she has been paying into for so many years is actually going to someone she knows, and she knows that needs it. Or course all of this is temporary because my husband qualifies for his benefits 90 days after he's at his job. But I guess what I'm trying to say is thank you all for paying for these government assistances because these things happen and if there wasn't anything for us to turn to, I wouldn't be getting any medical care.

jk3610 · November 2014

snegde said:

Lots of you missed my point... just sayin.

Sorry, I was trying to let it die. :-(

be888 · November 2014

This is why I like UO. Yes, a lot of the subjects are redundant, but I have read things this morning that make me see things from a different angle. I have also cried reading some of your stories and examples.

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NoraMia · November 2014

frownyface said:

"Leashes" are fine. Never say never. When you have a small child in an airport for several hours, and they no longer want to be touched, belted, worn, or in any way constricted, you'll be glad you bought that backpack with a leash. I'd rather wear her, but she's a person who can ask for what she wants, and if she needs to walk/run in an airport to avoid a nuclear meltdown, I'd rather not run the risk of her getting away from me, as she is in no way mature enough to keep herself safe and not abducted/bowled over by people streaming off a moving sidewalk.

I've used ours all of that one time, but it was a life saver.

I promise, they're no big deal, and if you don't want to use one, that's cool. Just try and go easy on the mom that does. She has a reason, and she knows what's best for her kid. Usually.

You're right, I didn't mean to sound judgmental. I still think its odd, but I met a mom the other day while waiting to be seen in the ER. She had 5 boys two sets of twins of 7 and 6 and a single of 4. I can't imagine how she would deal when they were toddlers, I bet some harnesses would've come in handy.

AshleighK305 · November 2014

NoraMia said:

Duffgurl said:

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

Totally agree with this one. I do not like to see toddlers on, lack for a better a word, leashes. Just hold your child's hand and keep and eye on him/her.

Now I do understand why some people use them, it's not always easy to keep hold of a toddler! But they just aren't for me. I definitely don't judge anyone using them, but I won't. I don't think it says anything negative about a parent using them!

topaz7777 · November 2014

My UO's are going to get some flames... but that's ok.

I understand sex dissapointment (meaning sex of your baby). What makes me crazy is that moms get judged for being dissapointed if they wanted and dreamed of having a girl or boy and ending up with the other. You fall in love with the idea, get attached to it, and have it dashed and replaced with another. Sure it usually just takes a little while to get over and make new dreams, but go ahead and grieve for the dream you won't have yet. No it doesn't compare to a pregnancy loss which I agree is terribly devistating! Nor infertility problems that even I have gone through and the heartbreak of not being able to get pregnant. But is it really reasonable to ask a mom who has never had these problems to consider the other perspective and not be able to consider theirs? Maybe this is the greatest pregnancy dissapointment they will have in their lives, and they are lucky, but go ahead and be sad a minute, then make a new dream. I can't say you don't get to be sad about it because your loss can't compare to mine.

Ok, my second... Personhood laws make me absolutely fuming mad. If the baby can't live outside of my body, I don't think it's rights should be equal nor more than mine. Once it has the ability to survive outside of mine, sure give it rights, but we are one person until we are two. That doesn't mean I love my baby any less because it's not viable yet. - Just to make sure this isn't taken wrong, I mean by charging someone with a crime for a miscarriage, and also forcing a woman to carry an unviable baby to term including missed m/c or still birth. I think the health of the mother should absolutely be a factor.

Edit for clarity just in case!!

Duffgurl · November 2014

MOtownMama said:

Duffgurl said:
My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.
Is this your first?

No. I have a 3 year old son.

Duffgurl · November 2014

frownyface said:
"Leashes" are fine. Never say never. When you have a small child in an airport for several hours, and they no longer want to be touched, belted, worn, or in any way constricted, you'll be glad you bought that backpack with a leash. I'd rather wear her, but she's a person who can ask for what she wants, and if she needs to walk/run in an airport to avoid a nuclear meltdown, I'd rather not run the risk of her getting away from me, as she is in no way mature enough to keep herself safe and not abducted/bowled over by people streaming off a moving sidewalk.

I've used ours all of that one time, but it was a life saver.

I promise, they're no big deal, and if you don't want to use one, that's cool. Just try and go easy on the mom that does. She has a reason, and she knows what's best for her kid. Usually.

Again I could careless if someone wants to use one on their child. Just for me I am not a fan of them.

jk3610 · November 2014

souptin said:

ANNNNNNNDDDD Banned!

our mods rock as usual.

doxiemom415 · November 2014

@snedge .. just.. yes. My best friend has been struggling with infertility for 5 years, 7 IUI's, she's currently on her 5th IVF. The only thing her insurance has covered has been her ultrasounds and ONE of her medications.. everything else is out of pocket. Her H has a very good job so that they're able to afford fertility, but I see people around me all the time that don't have the means to afford it and that literally makes me ill to think about it. We struggled, but didn't have to resort to IVF. But to see people's dreams of having children fade away because insurance refuses to see fertility treatments as "necessary" is nauseating. When on the same hand you have the people that literally get pregnant every 5 minutes, that can't afford their children, can't afford their children's healthcare, or to feed their children.. but the government is all for handing over ungodly amounts of money for them to continue to have children they can't take care of. I get exactly what you're saying and it's infuriating on so many levels. Hugs.

ETA: spelling is hard.

jk3610 · November 2014

SharkFarts said:

@SharkFarts‌, I guess i just mean that it makes me feel like the program is being put to better use when they buy stuff that makes better meals for their kids (meat, bread, pasta, fruit, etc) Eta: temporarily mobile so totally screwed up quote tree.
So again, because someone is poor, their kids can't have cookies?

I'm sorry I even said that. That wasn't really what I meant, but I don't know how to better explain what I'm thinking. Sorry.

kread8 · November 2014

AshleighK305 said:

NoraMia said:

Duffgurl said:

My Unpopular opinion I am not a fan of children harnesses. You can slap Mickey or Elmo on it but still not a fan. I personally do not care if you use one.

Totally agree with this one. I do not like to see toddlers on, lack for a better a word, leashes. Just hold your child's hand and keep and eye on him/her.

Now I do understand why some people use them, it's not always easy to keep hold of a toddler! But they just aren't for me. I definitely don't judge anyone using them, but I won't. I don't think it says anything negative about a parent using them!

Never say never. Especially when it comes to anything parenting related. Most friends/fellow bumpees/etc that I've seen make major sweeping statments like that? End up eating their words. Just sayin'.

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