@Emerald27 - Thank you for the detailed response. This is the first time I have nursed twice in a row and not counted down the seconds until we were done because it was so painful. She's not totally filling up, but I think she's getting close which is great since she's mostly been bottle fed BM. She definitely needs more practice. I picked up APNO today to hopefully help my nipples which are in bad shape. We are definitely heading in the right direction.
First of all this letdown pain can go away anytime now! It kills every time. But also, is it normal for it to spray? Mine just barely starts dripping out of my nips after a letdown, and even hand expressing I just get drips. But from what I've heard I should be able to like spray DH in the face if I want to. Only time I can get them to actually spray is with the pump.
First of all this letdown pain can go away anytime now! It kills every time. But also, is it normal for it to spray? Mine just barely starts dripping out of my nips after a letdown, and even hand expressing I just get drips. But from what I've heard I should be able to like spray DH in the face if I want to. Only time I can get them to actually spray is with the pump.
It'll take some practice. Try more pressure underneath your breast (that's usually how I get a spray) massaging out toward your nipple, like you're pushing the milk through the ducts down and out. Hand expressing is a serious art that takes practice and technique. It took me a while to figure it out, but once I got it, I was able to express quite a bit pretty quickly. Good luck!
My LO is 2.5 weeks now. Feeding going ok except nipples hurt still when I try to put them in a bra, and leak like crazy when I just wear a shirt without a bra. I have been just going nude from waist up at home but still not practical because I want to leave the house sometimes! The nipple pain isn't there when nursing and also no pain if they are left to open air- it's just when being touched or smooshed into a bra... I've seen two LC's who said latch is good. I've also tried gel / hydrogel smoothies and those are ok for a while but not great for long term, like a whole day. I'm wondering do I just need to wait it out more and they will become less sensitive with time?
I've been thinking of ordering a bullet bra which is a sort of come shaped bra that was popular in the 1950s or so... Shaped like a cone kind of . Thinking maybe the shape would keep fabric off nipples.
Does anyone have tips on how to nurse in public on the go? I was in Target yesterday and she woke up sooner than I expected and wanted to nurse. Thank God I was with my MIL, I had to rush to the car while she finished paying. I bought a nursing cover yesterday and I think I can handle it if I am in a restaurant or friends home but how to do it on the go?
I just nurse wherever I am. In Target I'd probably sit in the Starbucks area or on a bench. I don't like nursing covers much so I wear a shirt I can pull down underneath a looser shirt I can pull up and just do it that way. It's so discreet, most people have no idea and just think I'm holding the baby.
I know a lot of people nurse their babies while wearing them but I never figured out how to do that smoothly. Maybe when baby is a little bigger and has more head control?
I haven't had this problem yet but a friend of mine when at a store like target goes into the fitting rooms to nurse. That's probably what I would do if I was there.
How long is an average nursing session, per boob? About how long each day do you spend nursing? From a few other posts, I feel like DS is nursing SO much. We usually nurse 5-6 hours a day, the most in a day was 8 hours. He usually spends 20-40 minutes nursing each time.
Except for this morning, I've had to wake him every two hours and he is only nursing for 10-15 minutes.
I know some of it is likely for comfort, not food, but still. Does this seem normal?
For those who've had baby's posterior frenulum (think that's what LC called it) clipped, did it work with regard to breastfeeding? Also, she's 4 weeks old...think it would be too late for it to work, if she needs it?
Saw the LC again today and she didn't say Isla needed to have it clipped but noted her suck wasn't great, something about her tongue not doing the wave motion needed to efficiently remove the milk from breast. So she recommended I take her to an ENT for an evaluation.
Just wondering if there is a great chance of success after the procedure (if she needs it) because I don't really want to put her through it if there wasn't a really good chance of success. She also recommended a special needs bottle ($28!) and hospital grade pump (thought the PIS I had was hospital grade, whoops)...which would cost $60 a month...all this suffering and money! Wish she would just frickin eat from the boob already! lol
For those who've had baby's posterior frenulum (think that's what LC called it) clipped, did it work with regard to breastfeeding? Also, she's 4 weeks old...think it would be too late for it to work, if she needs it?
Just wondering if there is a great chance of success after the procedure (if she needs it) because I don't really want to put her through it if there wasn't a really good chance of success.
I had DD's clipped a little over a week ago. I go back Monday to see how her suck has improved. I should've gone sooner, but I had to reschedule. So I'll have more info then...
But IMO, I think there isn't too much to lose considering there could be significant speech issues later. It took seconds, and she was placed directly on the boob after and all was well.
For those who've had baby's posterior frenulum (think that's what LC called it) clipped, did it work with regard to breastfeeding? Also, she's 4 weeks old...think it would be too late for it to work, if she needs it?
Just wondering if there is a great chance of success after the procedure (if she needs it) because I don't really want to put her through it if there wasn't a really good chance of success.
I had DD's clipped a little over a week ago. I go back Monday to see how her suck has improved. I should've gone sooner, but I had to reschedule. So I'll have more info then...
But IMO, I think there isn't too much to lose considering there could be significant speech issues later. It took seconds, and she was placed directly on the boob after and all was well.
Thanks so much! So not a lot of pain or discomfort then?
@imagine7696030614 4 weeks is not too old to have a tongue or lip tie revised. However, it can take older LOs a bit more time for their latch to improve after the procedure, because they're so used to having very little freedom of movement in their mouths. They have to re-learn how to latch, and that can take a week, sometimes two. It's definitely worth doing, though! For breastfeeding and speech/oral development.
@MrsCunningham22 I'm not shy at all and will carry LO around while nursing, just holding him in my arms. That really doesn't work if you have to be pushing a cart, though. I second the rec of nursing in a baby carrier. You can practice a bit at home to get used to it.
@apk4 Totally normal. There's a wide range of normal out there, which is why we say to watch diapers and weight gain to know that they're getting enough, and there's never a worry about them getting too much, because you can't overfeed a breastfed baby.
How frequently LO nurses and for how long is based on so so many factors: baby's efficiency, mom's storage capacity, growth and development, and many other things. Babies do become much more efficient as they grow...they don't "nurse like a newborn" forever. When LO is 6mo, you may find that a feeding takes 5 minutes or so!
For those who've had baby's posterior frenulum (think that's what LC called it) clipped, did it work with regard to breastfeeding? Also, she's 4 weeks old...think it would be too late for it to work, if she needs it?
Just wondering if there is a great chance of success after the procedure (if she needs it) because I don't really want to put her through it if there wasn't a really good chance of success.
I had DD's clipped a little over a week ago. I go back Monday to see how her suck has improved. I should've gone sooner, but I had to reschedule. So I'll have more info then...
But IMO, I think there isn't too much to lose considering there could be significant speech issues later. It took seconds, and she was placed directly on the boob after and all was well.
Thanks so much! So not a lot of pain or discomfort then?
We weren't with LO when hers was cut, but LC assured us that the procedure doesn't hurt much. They gave her a little sugar water before to help with that. We got it done when she was a day old and it helped enormously.
@Saragoeswest I leak from the opposite breast when I nurse unless I put pressure against it. Did this with DS1 too. It stopped about the same time as my supply regulated, around 6 weeks, but then would happen occasionally during growth spurts and other times of increased nursing.
@keelyd Try some different positions to see if he'll latch more deeply in any of them. Since you're battling a plugged duct on that side, do some "dangle nursing." Lay DS on his back on your bed and lean over him. Support your weight on your elbows. Gravity can help dislodge the plug.
Of course massage the plug and apply a warm compress before nursing. Good luck!
How can I get dd to unlatch by opening her mouth? About 50% of the time when she's done eating she smashes her face onto the boob then pulls back with nipple in mouth and it hurts like a biotch. Then next time she'll just simply open her mouth when she's done. Why must she torture me? Haha
Use your (clean) pinky finger to break the suction when unlatching her.
My son does this sometimes too. Comes out of nowhere and is never expected. I don't know if there's a way to fix or prevent it. It hurts like hell but I'm thinking it may just be one of those things you learn to deal with. (Or I suppose if you can tell your LO Almost done you can unlatch using your pinky) my DS does this mid feeding most the time though (I have an overactive letdown)
When I am not nursing, the side of my right breast has a continuous sharp pain on the right side. We don't have latching or nipple suction issues anymore...any thoughts on what it could be and how to relieve the pain? Thanks!
I have a question I was hoping someone could help with! (TLDR below).
We have been getting a pretty decent latch (I think) and LO at 3 days old has exceeded the recommended number of wet and dirty diapers, so I feel good that SOMETHING is coming out of my breasts. However, my milk has not come in yet. DD is a large baby (9 lbs 10 oz at birth) and in the last 24 hours became inconsolable. After much discussion with a LC and nursing staff, we decided to try a SNS to supplement with formula. Well, the LC missed our appointment (rage) so we did not get to try the SNS with her, she just gave us a quick demonstration. After hours of tears from me and DD, we gave up and fed DD an oz of formula from a bottle. I cried the whole time doing it. I am now worried my milk isn't coming in, because we are 72 hours past her birth. She was a c-section, so could it take longer for that milk to come in as a result? And is there anything I can do to encourage it to come in? I put LO to the breast every 2-3 hours, but since she isn't getting satisfied by a feeding we both end up frustrated.
TLDR: can it take longer than 3 days for milk to come in if you have a c-section? And what can I do to encourage my milk to come in at 3 days post partum (other than putting baby to the breast every 2-3 hours, which I am doing).
How can I get dd to unlatch by opening her mouth? About 50% of the time when she's done eating she smashes her face onto the boob then pulls back with nipple in mouth and it hurts like a biotch. Then next time she'll just simply open her mouth when she's done. Why must she torture me? Haha
Use your (clean) pinky finger to break the suction when unlatching her.
My son does this sometimes too. Comes out of nowhere and is never expected. I don't know if there's a way to fix or prevent it. It hurts like hell but I'm thinking it may just be one of those things you learn to deal with. (Or I suppose if you can tell your LO Almost done you can unlatch using your pinky) my DS does this mid feeding most the time though (I have an overactive letdown)
Same thing happens to me! I can unlatch her when I can sense it coming toward the end of a feeding, but it kills me when she randomly does it mid feeding! Maybe it is just something to learn to deal with.
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@keelyd Try some different positions to see if he'll latch more deeply in any of them. Since you're battling a plugged duct on that side, do some "dangle nursing." Lay DS on his back on your bed and lean over him. Support your weight on your elbows. Gravity can help dislodge the plug.
Of course massage the plug and apply a warm compress before nursing. Good luck!
Will this position also help in relieving a blocked duct if you already have mastitis?
@keelyd Try some different positions to see if he'll latch more deeply in any of them. Since you're battling a plugged duct on that side, do some "dangle nursing." Lay DS on his back on your bed and lean over him. Support your weight on your elbows. Gravity can help dislodge the plug.
Of course massage the plug and apply a warm compress before nursing. Good luck!
Will this position also help in relieving a blocked duct if you already have mastitis?
@keelyd Try some different positions to see if he'll latch more deeply in any of them. Since you're battling a plugged duct on that side, do some "dangle nursing." Lay DS on his back on your bed and lean over him. Support your weight on your elbows. Gravity can help dislodge the plug.
Of course massage the plug and apply a warm compress before nursing. Good luck!
Will this position also help in relieving a blocked duct if you already have mastitis?
I know that a lot of little ones are eating more at the 3 week growth spurt, but I'm starting to get concerned LO is eating too much. It's not about nursing too often, that's fine, but I pumped for dad to give a bottle tonight during trick or treating and she sucked down 5oz... And was hungry again in 2 hours. At 19 days that seems like a lot to me. Anyone else in the same boat?
I know that a lot of little ones are eating more at the 3 week growth spurt, but I'm starting to get concerned LO is eating too much. It's not about nursing too often, that's fine, but I pumped for dad to give a bottle tonight during trick or treating and she sucked down 5oz... And was hungry again in 2 hours. At 19 days that seems like a lot to me. Anyone else in the same boat?
Did you pace her feeding? That is a lot. I have a guzzler, and I was told that 2 oz of formula should take 10-15 mins to be eaten.
ETA that I was over feeding LO because I was letting her chug it down without giving her brain a chance to signal her that she was full.
@angeltennis3 Good diaper output is one sign that baby is getting all that she needs. Weight gain is another, but at only 3 days postpartum, you might not see much yet.
You said that you put her to the breast every 2-3 hours - is she sleeping in between and just inconsolable when you wake her for a feeding? If that is the case, maybe she is very hungry at the point when you wake her, and feeling uncomfortable (hunger is a new sensation for her), and it might help to wake her more often, say every 1-2 hours. She might be too sleepy to wake up and cue her hunger at this point, so when she wakes she's ravenous and inconsolable.
If she is not sleeping in between feedings but is just fussing/crying, try skin to skin (helps your supply!) and see if she'll take the breast for comfort in between scheduled feedings. The more stimulation, the better, and the breast/your skin is a very comforting place to be. Even if she is still fussy, the baby held skin to skin has lower stress hormone levels, so it helps a lot even if it doesn't look like it.
Baby can spend lots of time skin to skin with you or at the breast during these first few days. The snuggles are good for you both and will make a big difference for helping your milk mature more quickly and comforting LO.
Your breasts have colostrum and transitional milk before your milk matures (it doesn't technically "come in", but many mothers become engorged when their milk matures, so that's what it's become referred to as). They're not empty - LO should be able to get enough milk to satisfy her even from the start. She may need very frequent feedings.
Colostrum and transitional milk are the perfect food for a newborn, and baby tummies are very very tiny. Frequent feeds are normal and important for growth in the early days:
It can take up to a week for your milk to mature, but if diaper output is good and she is regaining weight appropriately, you can be assured that she is getting enough. ((Hugs)) it's so hard on us mamas when our babies are sad! I hope she is more cheerful since you posted
@AmandaJean12 Whew, that's a lot. It's very easy for babies to overeat from a bottle, because it's hard for them to stop the flow, whereas breastfeeding requires them to work to remove milk from the breast. Like PP said, research "paced bottle feeding" to learn about breastfeeding-supportive techniques for offering LO a bottle.
She is using my breast as a comfort tool. We have been doing skin to skin pretty much since she came out, other than the few times I can console her enough to get her in the crib so I can catch a few hours of sleep. She either takes my breast and within minutes falls asleep, but wakes very easily, or she will cluster feed and have a meltdown of I stop, so my poor nipples are raw despite her actually having a pretty good latch. Once we finally broke down and supplemented to give my nipples a break after one of her nonstop suckling sessions with hours of meltdown whenever I would try and stop, she almost instantly seemed so much happier and fell into a nice deep sleep. That's the only part that really worries me...I want to make sure she is getting enough.
I am going to head to a lactation support group in the morning and hopefully they can help me get over this early hump! I desperately want to make this work, but I feel my resolve dipping and we are only 3 days in. I have so much anxiety over making sure she is actually getting food that at this point I feel like I would be a better mom if I gave up breastfeeding and went to Formula....but then as soon as I start thinking that route I feel terrible for not working harder to breastfeed.
Being a mom is so hard. We have some strong women here, that's for sure.
@angeltennis3 The support group is a fantastic idea! Hopefully you'll find lots of encouragement there and it will be a very positive experience.
Let LO's diapers give you comfort for now. If there's output, then there's input! And if it exceeds the average, the input is good!
The formula will make baby sleep because it takes longer to digest/metabolize than breastmilk, and bottles do not require the same amount of effort that breastfeeding does, and fills their tummies fast. Breastfeeding is work, most especially at first when they're learning, and it can be frustrating for baby to learn a new skill. It does and will get better, and very soon! When your milk matures, the volume will greatly increase and nursing will be so much easier for LO. Hang in there!!
So when the pediatrician says I no longer need to wake baby to feed her do I still need to be making sure she needs to eat 8 to 12 times a day? I thought I read that somewhere that even at a month old they still should eat that much. I also don't want my supply to tank. I pumped this morning for the feeding we didn't do in the MOTN since dd slept from midnight to 5 45. I've been feeding her every 2 to 3 hours today.
I finally got DD to latch without the shield for 3 minutes in the middle of a feeding yesterday. And when I tried today she acted like it was impossible again, and obviously it's not. Just keep trying... at least that's my approach.
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I've been thinking of ordering a bullet bra which is a sort of come shaped bra that was popular in the 1950s or so... Shaped like a cone kind of . Thinking maybe the shape would keep fabric off nipples.
I know a lot of people nurse their babies while wearing them but I never figured out how to do that smoothly. Maybe when baby is a little bigger and has more head control?
Except for this morning, I've had to wake him every two hours and he is only nursing for 10-15 minutes.
I know some of it is likely for comfort, not food, but still. Does this seem normal?
But IMO, I think there isn't too much to lose considering there could be significant speech issues later. It took seconds, and she was placed directly on the boob after and all was well.
Thanks so much! So not a lot of pain or discomfort then?
@MrsCunningham22 I'm not shy at all and will carry LO around while nursing, just holding him in my arms. That really doesn't work if you have to be pushing a cart, though.
How frequently LO nurses and for how long is based on so so many factors: baby's efficiency, mom's storage capacity, growth and development, and many other things. Babies do become much more efficient as they grow...they don't "nurse like a newborn" forever. When LO is 6mo, you may find that a feeding takes 5 minutes or so!
Thanks so much! So not a lot of pain or discomfort then?
We weren't with LO when hers was cut, but LC assured us that the procedure doesn't hurt much. They gave her a little sugar water before to help with that. We got it done when she was a day old and it helped enormously.
Of course massage the plug and apply a warm compress before nursing. Good luck!
We have been getting a pretty decent latch (I think) and LO at 3 days old has exceeded the recommended number of wet and dirty diapers, so I feel good that SOMETHING is coming out of my breasts. However, my milk has not come in yet. DD is a large baby (9 lbs 10 oz at birth) and in the last 24 hours became inconsolable. After much discussion with a LC and nursing staff, we decided to try a SNS to supplement with formula. Well, the LC missed our appointment (rage) so we did not get to try the SNS with her, she just gave us a quick demonstration. After hours of tears from me and DD, we gave up and fed DD an oz of formula from a bottle. I cried the whole time doing it. I am now worried my milk isn't coming in, because we are 72 hours past her birth. She was a c-section, so could it take longer for that milk to come in as a result? And is there anything I can do to encourage it to come in? I put LO to the breast every 2-3 hours, but since she isn't getting satisfied by a feeding we both end up frustrated.
TLDR: can it take longer than 3 days for milk to come in if you have a c-section? And what can I do to encourage my milk to come in at 3 days post partum (other than putting baby to the breast every 2-3 hours, which I am doing).
I've cut dairy before, but that's a whole other discussion...
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ETA that I was over feeding LO because I was letting her chug it down without giving her brain a chance to signal her that she was full.
You said that you put her to the breast every 2-3 hours - is she sleeping in between and just inconsolable when you wake her for a feeding? If that is the case, maybe she is very hungry at the point when you wake her, and feeling uncomfortable (hunger is a new sensation for her), and it might help to wake her more often, say every 1-2 hours. She might be too sleepy to wake up and cue her hunger at this point, so when she wakes she's ravenous and inconsolable.
If she is not sleeping in between feedings but is just fussing/crying, try skin to skin (helps your supply!) and see if she'll take the breast for comfort in between scheduled feedings. The more stimulation, the better, and the breast/your skin is a very comforting place to be. Even if she is still fussy, the baby held skin to skin has lower stress hormone levels, so it helps a lot even if it doesn't look like it.
Baby can spend lots of time skin to skin with you or at the breast during these first few days. The snuggles are good for you both and will make a big difference for helping your milk mature more quickly and comforting LO.
Your breasts have colostrum and transitional milk before your milk matures (it doesn't technically "come in", but many mothers become engorged when their milk matures, so that's what it's become referred to as). They're not empty - LO should be able to get enough milk to satisfy her even from the start. She may need very frequent feedings.
Colostrum and transitional milk are the perfect food for a newborn, and baby tummies are very very tiny. Frequent feeds are normal and important for growth in the early days:
It can take up to a week for your milk to mature, but if diaper output is good and she is regaining weight appropriately, you can be assured that she is getting enough. ((Hugs)) it's so hard on us mamas when our babies are sad! I hope she is more cheerful since you posted
She is using my breast as a comfort tool. We have been doing skin to skin pretty much since she came out, other than the few times I can console her enough to get her in the crib so I can catch a few hours of sleep. She either takes my breast and within minutes falls asleep, but wakes very easily, or she will cluster feed and have a meltdown of I stop, so my poor nipples are raw despite her actually having a pretty good latch. Once we finally broke down and supplemented to give my nipples a break after one of her nonstop suckling sessions with hours of meltdown whenever I would try and stop, she almost instantly seemed so much happier and fell into a nice deep sleep. That's the only part that really worries me...I want to make sure she is getting enough.
I am going to head to a lactation support group in the morning and hopefully they can help me get over this early hump! I desperately want to make this work, but I feel my resolve dipping and we are only 3 days in. I have so much anxiety over making sure she is actually getting food that at this point I feel like I would be a better mom if I gave up breastfeeding and went to Formula....but then as soon as I start thinking that route I feel terrible for not working harder to breastfeed.
Being a mom is so hard. We have some strong women here, that's for sure.
Let LO's diapers give you comfort for now. If there's output, then there's input! And if it exceeds the average, the input is good!
The formula will make baby sleep because it takes longer to digest/metabolize than breastmilk, and bottles do not require the same amount of effort that breastfeeding does, and fills their tummies fast. Breastfeeding is work, most especially at first when they're learning, and it can be frustrating for baby to learn a new skill. It does and will get better, and very soon! When your milk matures, the volume will greatly increase and nursing will be so much easier for LO. Hang in there!!
Yeah, there is work to be done...