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Re: January Gender

  • ReidenReiden member
    edited October 2014
    HappyMonkey817 said: I just had a slice of pumpkin cheesecake, and it was divine.
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    AggieMom0809 said:
    Freedom of religion went out the window when Obama became president and decided when each religion could do.
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    We need a whole board to list all the things that aren't TBPC. My real life friends that fall into the LGBT group aren't even aware of this debate nor do they give a crap. It is simply something for "heteros" who are pretending to be ultra PC sensitive to fuss over. On that note, I'm team green. Maybe I should fuss over the insistance that my color has to be green because we aren't finding out :)
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    NatureLovers said:
    Sorry I asked
    Being ignorant of the difference between sex and gender, and the inherent lack of sensitivity towards LGBT issues that that ignorance shows is universally despised on The Bump, just FYI. Contrary to what you're probably thinking, it IS a big deal.
    It's really not a big deal. Y'all just like to complain about others that don't agree with you.
    _____ It is a big deal. @AggieMom0809‌, you've previously made your lack of sensitivity or empathy to the LGBT community very clear, so that's probably why you can't understand why it is a big deal.
    I wouldn't say it's a lack of sensitivity or empathy anymore than their lack of sensitivity and empathy toward my religion and being heterosexual like we were intended to be. (Hence the compatability of the penis and vagina)
    No. Disapproving of bigotry (even cloaked with the excuse of religion) is not the same as lacking sensitivity and empathy towards those who face systemic discrimination. You also don't get to dictate what is right for anyone else. Freedom of religion means YOU are free to believe that YOUR vagina was meant to be matched with a penis, but it does not give you the right to determine what is right or wrong for anyone else's genitalia.
    Freedom of religion went out the window when Obama became president and decided when each religion could do.
    ______ Thanks, Obama. So, @Aggiemom0809, you think freedom of religion doesn't exist in America anymore?
    These hateful zealots feel their religion is being persecuted when they're not allowed to discriminate against LGBT. They feel they should be able to be as hateful as they want, and deny public services to anyone they perceive is of the LGBT community. They also feel they should be able to dictate the healthcare their employees receive, and if they can't, it's religious persecution. Because not only should they be free to exert their religious beliefs in their own private lives, they should also be able to force is down the throats of their employees.
    Or those that do not have the same beliefs do not have to work at the religious companies. Pay for your own health care. Your employer shouldn't have to pay for/cover what they don't believe in. 
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    saiven said:
    I'm referring to Aggie being called a narrow minded, vile bigot. And who said I'm unhappy here? I joined this forum because there are a lot of questions usually asked that I'd like answers to, as well, about babies; good advice. Do I have to leave now because I have opinions, too? Please. And yeah, there are a lot of nice posters on here and I'm not taking away from that but there are also the handful that aren't. Doesn't make me unhappy.
    No, I think everyone welcomes a difference of opinion but I would say it's unfair to say the entire board is mean or hurtful based on a few heated threads. I certainly don't agree with everyone all the time but I also respect their ability to disagree with me. I'm just surprised by what you said earlier.
    Really?!?!?! When has this been true here?
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    bookworm92 said:
    VioletGjoni said:
    I'm referring to Aggie being called a narrow minded, vile bigot. And who said I'm unhappy here? I joined this forum because there are a lot of questions usually asked that I'd like answers to, as well, about babies; good advice. Do I have to leave now because I have opinions, too? Please. And yeah, there are a lot of nice posters on here and I'm not taking away from that but there are also the handful that aren't. Doesn't make me unhappy.
    So you're sticking with WK'ing Aggie? Good to know. You can go on the post it right beside her. Everyone on this board has given you a ton of support regarding your situations. We have listened to you vent and given you advice many times. Now all sudden you want to call us out for being unsupportive and "mean girls"?  If Aggie didn't say so many nasty things, we wouldn't constantly call her out. She has insulted MANY members of the board, including our loss moms. She is narrow minded and a bigot. That's very clear from the things she has said. I wouldn't really expect the amount of support you've been given so far to continue. Personally, I won't support someone who supports the constant attacks of many members of the boards, their families, and their lifestyles. 
    Just because I have differing opinions doesn't mean that I am narrow minded nor a bigot which for some reason y'all keep spouting out. 

    When did I ever insult someone for losing their baby? As I've said before, I've had 3 losses. What kind of sense would that make for me to insult people like me if I'm so narrow minded?
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    NatureLovers said:
    Not all opinions are equal and valid. Does she have the right to think awful things of the LGBT community without *government* repurcussions like imprisonment? Yes, and that is an important right. Is *society* at large or her employer then obligated to accept her and her opinion, treat it as valid, and be totally accepting of it/her and to retain her as an friend/employee? No freaking way. That is true free speech right there.
    This! Because if it's your opinion it's okay, but if it's not it's wrong. However, if I say something that offends your I'm a narrow minded bigot. The rest doesn't make sense because if an employer or other person tries to exclude them the lgbt community goes after the employer/facility/persons.
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    VioletGjoni said:
    Jesus Christ, I don't "stick" with anyone, are we in high school? I've said I appreciated the support and I agree with Aggie about ONE thing, that you can call it whatever you want(sex, gender) and I can post right beside her? I've supported you, too, with your situation and I wasn't even talking about you here. I've never gotten into everyone's debates against Aggie because, frankly, I don't care about all the debate. I wasn't even gonna read this thread but I'm killing time so I did. I don't know what Aggie has said on other threads, I'm saying I agree with her on THIS thread. I call it "gender," it's a habit. People know what I'm talking about. FROM THIS THREAD, I see people just going at it with her. Edit: when I say I agree with her in this thread, I meant about the post of calling it sex, gender, whatever. Not anything after that.
    Any opinion I've had has been attack. I've been called far worse on here. I'm pretty immune to it. I don't expect others to agree with all of my opinions, but I'm sure more than just you may agree with one or more and are afraid to stick their nose out because they will get caught in the attacks. I have no intention of backing down/cowering to the hatred that they claim to not have (because they said I'm the only hateful one here).
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    mandikins27 said:
    laziestdaisy said:
    Freedom of religion went out the window when Obama became president and decided when each religion could do.
    If you would like to ACTUALLY know what it's like to have no freedom of religion, my Jewish in-laws who escaped the USSR would be happy to explain it to you.
    I would have to let laziestdaisy's family explain it to you because not one of mine made it out
    My family was also persecuted. They weren't jewish, but that wasn't the only religion who's been persecuted. I am 75% Polish and you want to say we didn't have to escape our imprisonment too?!?! We don't want to go back to how it was, so we fight for what we believe.
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    NatureLovers said:
    Jesus Christ, I don't "stick" with anyone, are we in high school? I've said I appreciated the support and I agree with Aggie about ONE thing, that you can call it whatever you want(sex, gender) and I can post right beside her? I've supported you, too, with your situation and I wasn't even talking about you here. I've never gotten into everyone's debates against Aggie because, frankly, I don't care about all the debate. I wasn't even gonna read this thread but I'm killing time so I did. I don't know what Aggie has said on other threads, I'm saying I agree with her on THIS thread. I call it "gender," it's a habit. People know what I'm talking about. FROM THIS THREAD, I see people just going at it with her. Edit: when I say I agree with her in this thread, I meant about the post of calling it sex, gender, whatever. Not anything after that.
    The fact that you said sex vs gender doesn't matter lumps you right in with her. It DOES matter, this is not a tomato vs tohmato debate. Siding with Aggiemom on any debate is never a good idea if you don't want to be considered one of her ilk. There's a lot of backstory and other threads that you were clearly not privy to, where Aggiemom was breathtaking in her ignorance and cruelty towards others.
    So you're pretty much saying that it doesn't matter what I said, you are narrow minded and my opinions, no matter what they are must be wrong because of whom they come from? I do not have all the same beliefs as everyone who may agree with one or more thing that I do. I even agreed with Star (can't remember the rest) on occasion. Does that lump her right into my group? I think NOT!
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    saiven said:
    We need a whole board to list all the things that aren't TBPC. My real life friends that fall into the LGBT group aren't even aware of this debate nor do they give a crap. It is simply something for "heteros" who are pretending to be ultra PC sensitive to fuss over. On that note, I'm team green. Maybe I should fuss over the insistance that my color has to be green because we aren't finding out :)
    Well, if the LGBT community doesn't care! /sarcasm This is like saying something racist is okay because your minority friends don't care. That's asinine.
    That's a whole different debate. There are certain words that I can't say because they are racist, but it's okay for that community to say them. On the other hand, because I am white apparently it is okay for people to call racist names and I can't do anything about it because I'm not a minority. (Though whites were a minority in my area growing up)
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  • ncampesencampese member
    @AggieMom0809‌ You still go here?
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  • mandikins27mandikins27 member

    CrazyMonkeyBear CMB it is! and thank you :)

    ShuShubee .... what kind!?

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    that could be a entertaining thread...


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  • SSCmommaSSCmomma member
    saiven said:

    SSCmomma said:

    We need a whole board to list all the things that aren't TBPC. My real life friends that fall into the LGBT group aren't even aware of this debate nor do they give a crap. It is simply something for "heteros" who are pretending to be ultra PC sensitive to fuss over. On that note, I'm team green. Maybe I should fuss over the insistance that my color has to be green because we aren't finding out :)

    Well, if the LGBT community doesn't care!

    /sarcasm

    This is like saying something racist is okay because your minority friends don't care. That's asinine.
    Neither the word gender or sex are derogatory terms so it has absolutely nothing to do with bigotry.
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    ncampese said:
    @AggieMom0809‌ You still go here?
    and yet, I'm the one who is called out for being mean to board members and supposedly saying that they don't belong.
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  • ShuShubeeShuShubee member
    edited October 2014
    mandikins27 said:

    CrazyMonkeyBear CMB it is! and thank you :)

    ShuShubee .... what kind!?

    Mint Chocolate chip or vanilla with a lot of chocate syrup!
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  • AggieMom0809AggieMom0809 member
    bookworm92 said:

    How do you forget a thread that had to be closed because you were "acting like the biggest bitch on the planet" and insulting all of our loss moms, telling them they shouldn't post here and calling them trolls? I don't believe that for a second. If you've said enough offensive things that you honestly can't remember the reason 95% of the board hates you, you should revaluate your life. 

    I assume you are talking about me, but I'm the one who is always called the troll. I have posed questions of how was I being such and such when the phone said things far worse.

    And no I do not recall having a post closed because of what I said. I don't recall saying anyone should leave, but did pose the question of why they would stay. HUGE difference! I've been told I should leave many times, but am still here. If I lose this baby, trust me, I won't be hanging around.
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    Can't we all get along? Seriously! To respond to the OP, I'm expecting a baby boy #2 and we're excited!

     

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  • 4littlebears4littlebears member
    AggieMom0809 said:
    How do you forget a thread that had to be closed because you were "acting like the biggest bitch on the planet" and insulting all of our loss moms, telling them they shouldn't post here and calling them trolls? I don't believe that for a second. If you've said enough offensive things that you honestly can't remember the reason 95% of the board hates you, you should revaluate your life. 
    I assume you are talking about me, but I'm the one who is always called the troll. I have posed questions of how was I being such and such when the phone said things far worse. And no I do not recall having a post closed because of what I said. I don't recall saying anyone should leave, but did pose the question of why they would stay. HUGE difference! I've been told I should leave many times, but am still here. If I lose this baby, trust me, I won't be hanging around.
    You have a very short memory then...

    I believe the title of the post was about gender too.


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  • firsttimeaussiemumfirsttimeaussiemum member
    Y'all need to get the sand out of your vaginas. Dead set how do you survive in this world if you get so offended over people not using the "correct" term.
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  • ReidenReiden member
    firsttimeaussiemum said:
    Y'all need to get the sand out of your vaginas. Dead set how do you survive in this world if you get so offended over people not using the "correct" term.
    Okay, so, let me just explain why it's such a big issue to use 'correct' terms.
    Is someone going to die because you say gender instead of sex? Probably not

    But there are people who are born into thinking having male body parts inherently makes you male gendered, which isn't true. Gender doesn't fully form until the later years in life [ehh, around 18 or so I think is where it starts to solidify into something recognizable].

    So while referring to your baby's gender as 'male' or 'female' when they're little, that's okay for now, but it makes it easy to dismiss crucial gender markers/signs when [I'm using Jack as an example, here] for example, Jack wants to get dolls instead of trucks for toys. Would you allow Jack to get the dolls, even though they're 'girly'? He's a boy, why would he be interested in that?

    Gender/Sex debates are so heated right now because there are predetermined gender roles imposed on kids; we expect girls to wear skirts and pink stuff, and boys to wear t-shirts and like trucks and dinosaurs and whatnot. Saying that you're open minded to the 'correct' gender terms makes it more likely that you'll be accepting of however your child turns out, be it the gender that matches their sex or not. Transphobia is so high, and trans folk are so misunderstood as it is, that open mindedness when your child grows up can help reduce the chance of confusion and identity crisis when they're in the all-important teenage years.

    Of course, I'm no doctor; I'm bi with a ton of trans friends, most of which are surrounded/brought up in a household that was dismissive of their needs or even blatantly refuse to use the correct pronouns regarding their gender. That kind of behavior results in poor self-esteem, anxiety, probably depression, amongst other things. I'm not saying any of the moms here-- using the terms correctly or not-- would be like that with their own kids, but a habit is indeed a habit, no?
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    AggieMom0809 said:
    How do you forget a thread that had to be closed because you were "acting like the biggest bitch on the planet" and insulting all of our loss moms, telling them they shouldn't post here and calling them trolls? I don't believe that for a second. If you've said enough offensive things that you honestly can't remember the reason 95% of the board hates you, you should revaluate your life. 
    I assume you are talking about me, but I'm the one who is always called the troll. I have posed questions of how was I being such and such when the phone said things far worse. And no I do not recall having a post closed because of what I said. I don't recall saying anyone should leave, but did pose the question of why they would stay. HUGE difference! I've been told I should leave many times, but am still here. If I lose this baby, trust me, I won't be hanging around.
    i actually just re-read the thread in question (what can i say, i had a spare half-hour and i was bored).  what you said was, "wouldn't you be the troll, then?" to someone who said that she had been a jan'15 mom, but had a loss about a month earlier.

    spin it however you like, but you called a loss mom a troll.  you are not welcome.
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    Having a GIRL :D
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  • womberptyof4womberptyof4 member
    @bookworm92 yes i have had some great support from many of the ladies on here and its  much appreciated..you have a very foul mouth young lady. Anyways...I do read a lot of posts and see others being completely demeaned for either asking a question or advice from others on a subject that may strike a nerve with others. I dont frequent this site as much as others and I certainly dont have time but I am speaking on what I have seen solely...
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    wow...my point exactly. 
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