Oh lighten up. At least she went through the effort to find a source to back up her opinion and I give her props for that. One may not agree that the source is credible but that's no reason to get all ragey about it. Your point about chiropractors not being credible medical sources is perfectly valid all on it's own... It didn't need quite that level of incredulous snark.
The problem is these people are the ones encouraging so many gullible people to not vaccinate at all. So yeah it's pretty reasonable to be pissed off when yet ANOTHER of their "sources" is bullshit. I'll take snark over destruction of herd immunity any day.
The relationship between neonatal vitamin K received by the intramuscular (i.m.) route and the development of leukaemia or other cancers was investigated as part of a national case-control study of childhood cancer, using data abstracted from obstetric and neonatal records. The analyses included 2530 children diagnosed with cancer before 15 years of age, 1174 of whom had leukaemia and 4487 control children without cancer. Overall, 39% of cases and 42% of controls had records of i.m. vitamin K administration, while 24% of cases and 22% of controls had no record of whether or not they had received vitamin K. Using subjects who received i.m. vitamin K as the baseline group, our analyses found no association between the administration of i.m. vitamin K and either leukaemia or other cancers as a group. We conclude that there is no convincing evidence that neonatal vitamin K administration, irrespective of the route by which it is given, influences the risk of children developing leukaemia or any other cancer.
@etoille I'm not trying to make waves... I just didn't see the need for quite that level. I don't disagree with any point you were making. And yes, @janda426, I HATE that the anti-vaccine thing gets spread around... Especially on the back of misinformation. All of this is truth on its own... I was just surprised that it was packaged with all that extra stuff. I find your truth gets lost in the need to defend ones' self from the animosity. If you want to really educate people, they're not going to learn anything except that you think they're a waste of oxygen rather than the legit information you have.
@etoille I'm not trying to make waves... I just didn't see the need for quite that level. I don't disagree with any point you were making. And yes, @janda426, I HATE that the anti-vaccine thing gets spread around... Especially on the back of misinformation. All of this is truth on its own... I was just surprised that it was packaged with all that extra stuff. I find your truth gets lost in the need to defend ones' self from the animosity. If you want to really educate people, they're not going to learn anything except that you think they're a waste of oxygen rather than the legit information you have.
Oh trust me, even explaining things to them logically doesn't work. It's not a far cry to believe some people really are too self absorbed, gullible and stupid to hear what anyone besides themselves has to say.
Oh lighten up. At least she went through the effort to find a source to back up her opinion and I give her props for that. One may not agree that the source is credible but that's no reason to get all ragey about it. Your point about chiropractors not being credible medical sources is perfectly valid all on it's own... It didn't need quite that level of incredulous snark.
Oh I'm sorry person who just got here and made a big show about how baby center was this shit show and you were sooooooooooo glad to be here - was that a bit over the top for you in terms of signaling?
/eyeroll
Maybe you can wish everyone some more baby dust and stuff while you're here. Show the rest of us just how much time you've spent getting to know the community before spouting off.
@etoille Wow, easy now. I'm going to agree that you're a bit out of line. Yes, I understand the frustration, and the nonsense of the trolling lately, but the original comment rubbed me wrong and this one to @koshveily was harsh--she's done nothing to deserve that. And fwiw, I saw the baby dust comment earlier, but also saw the apology, because hey, she's human and didn't know.
I haven't spent any time at BabyCenter save this morning when I looked at a thread where they were referencing The Bump. I came from a different pregnancy app... Not that it really matters at all.
Yep. I'm a newb. I make some Bump faux pas. And, because someone clearly explained why it was considered a no-no to make the comments I made, I now understand and it did change my personal opinions. We can't assume that just because one person refuses to learn from logic that all people refuse to learn. I just hate to see truth ignored because of execution.
Wouldn't it be awesome if we could demonstrate to @cmlhampton why this idea that info from chiropractors should not trump information from dozens of agencies who've researched diseases for decades... And possibly even change her mind? To me, it's absolutely worth a shot.
Know what increases your chances of childhood leukemia? Not dying of a brain bleed before you get to childhood.
The risks of the shot are things like pain and possible infection at injection site. The link to leukemia has been debunked. The risks of vit k deficiency bleeding can be catastrophic. It's not a difficult decision, IMO.
@etoille, my apologies for telling you how to post on a public forum. You are correct that you have every right to say whatever you want to whomever you want. Maybe I am being naïve in thinking that a good argument can stand on it's own without needing to add that your opponent is the dumbest person alive for thinking differently... And I'm okay with that. In my experience, those additives do more damage to a point than they do to validate it.
I very much have the same concerns that you do regarding vaccinations. It's this anti-vax movement that is bringing back viruses that have been eradicated in the US for decades. The argument that vaccines are causing things like autism is just not enough evidence for me not to vaccinate. A person can live a long and functioning life with autism... But many of the viruses we vaccinate against will kill or permanently cripple a person. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to for me.
Additionally, we have to realize that there are some unfortunate families with children who are not well enough to be able to vaccinate... A perfectly healthy child carrying the virus because their parents wouldn't vaccinate poses a risk to those innocent children who can't possibly fight off an infection from one of these viruses.
It's just selfish not to think about how your actions truly affect those around you.
So, you don't trust your doctor on a prenatal vitamin... but when he tells you not to get the hep vax because he says it's unnecessary, you heed that advice? Seems a little silly to pick and choose what advice to follow of your doctor's. I think it is best to get the vitamin k shot, better safe than sorry. But if you'd like to listen to your doctor, then skip out on the hep one. Or follow your own research, because that is totally equivalent to a doctor... and it's your kid.
He didn't tell me not to get the hep vax. It was also two different doctors.... But it is okay that I wanted to ask others what their experiences were on vitamins and on the vitamin k shot. Now that I am educated on the subject and understand why and I have read medical research on the vitamin k subject I will absolutely be making the right choice for my baby and family. I am sorry that maybe I am different than you, but I like to educate myself on things so that I understand the "why" behind it. Not everyone needs to do that to feel comfortable with decisions but I do and I don't think that deserves any disrespect. Also, I do absolutely appreciate the links and when I posted this it was an honest question out of curiosity not because I was looking for validation to skip the vitamin K shot. The links have been awesome and I'm happy to be in a group that has many educated women contributing.
Re: Vitamin K shot at birth
Vitamin K and childhood cancer: a report from the United Kingdom Childhood Cancer Study.
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The relationship between neonatal vitamin K received by the intramuscular (i.m.) route and the development of leukaemia or other cancers was investigated as part of a national case-control study of childhood cancer, using data abstracted from obstetric and neonatal records. The analyses included 2530 children diagnosed with cancer before 15 years of age, 1174 of whom had leukaemia and 4487 control children without cancer. Overall, 39% of cases and 42% of controls had records of i.m. vitamin K administration, while 24% of cases and 22% of controls had no record of whether or not they had received vitamin K. Using subjects who received i.m. vitamin K as the baseline group, our analyses found no association between the administration of i.m. vitamin K and either leukaemia or other cancers as a group. We conclude that there is no convincing evidence that neonatal vitamin K administration, irrespective of the route by which it is given, influences the risk of children developing leukaemia or any other cancer.
@etoille Wow, easy now. I'm going to agree that you're a bit out of line. Yes, I understand the frustration, and the nonsense of the trolling lately, but the original comment rubbed me wrong and this one to @koshveily was harsh--she's done nothing to deserve that. And fwiw, I saw the baby dust comment earlier, but also saw the apology, because hey, she's human and didn't know.
Yep. I'm a newb. I make some Bump faux pas. And, because someone clearly explained why it was considered a no-no to make the comments I made, I now understand and it did change my personal opinions. We can't assume that just because one person refuses to learn from logic that all people refuse to learn. I just hate to see truth ignored because of execution.
Wouldn't it be awesome if we could demonstrate to @cmlhampton why this idea that info from chiropractors should not trump information from dozens of agencies who've researched diseases for decades... And possibly even change her mind? To me, it's absolutely worth a shot.
@etoille, my apologies for telling you how to post on a public forum. You are correct that you have every right to say whatever you want to whomever you want. Maybe I am being naïve in thinking that a good argument can stand on it's own without needing to add that your opponent is the dumbest person alive for thinking differently... And I'm okay with that. In my experience, those additives do more damage to a point than they do to validate it.
I very much have the same concerns that you do regarding vaccinations. It's this anti-vax movement that is bringing back viruses that have been eradicated in the US for decades. The argument that vaccines are causing things like autism is just not enough evidence for me not to vaccinate. A person can live a long and functioning life with autism... But many of the viruses we vaccinate against will kill or permanently cripple a person. At the end of the day, that's what it comes down to for me.
Additionally, we have to realize that there are some unfortunate families with children who are not well enough to be able to vaccinate... A perfectly healthy child carrying the virus because their parents wouldn't vaccinate poses a risk to those innocent children who can't possibly fight off an infection from one of these viruses.
It's just selfish not to think about how your actions truly affect those around you.