But it does translate to less involvement in school work. And they spend a quarter of their day at school.
I disagree. There are plenty of ways to remain knowledgeable regarding your child's education other than homework, but if you want to think I just want to be less involved that's cool. That really was not the message I was trying to get across.
@flyliceandcoffee maybe we love homework because we're Asian. lol jk...not a racist! Just a joke between friends! Oh crap I think I've done it.
@laxMOM44 - oh shit, I officially have a creepy internet friend!!! woot! I'm in the club now! btw, i just now realized your avatar was C faceplanting back in the day. best baby fail EVAR!
bish that's tummy time! She's working her neck muscle lol.
tummy time always equaled face planting in our house...still does!
Our routine for our elementary age son (3rd grade) definitely includes homework time. He gets home around 4, eats a snack and puts his things away, heads to sports/activity practice, and does 30-60 minutes of homework at the kitchen table while I cook dinner. It's an important part of our day because he can tell me about school, what he's studying, what he's learning, what his friends are doing, etc.
Also, the argument that you didn't need to do homework because your program of study didn't require it is kind of irrelevant. Maybe your LO will go into a different field, and the ability to do homework and/or bring work home at the end of the day would be an asset. I've interviewed many candidates that show up thinking that they can skate by doing nothing-- it's always a wake up call when you tell them you expect a certain amount of work and you don't care how long it takes them to do it.
Our routine for our elementary age son (3rd grade) definitely includes homework time. He gets home around 4, eats a snack and puts his things away, heads to sports/activity practice, and does 30-60 minutes of homework at the kitchen table while I cook dinner. It's an important part of our day because he can tell me about school, what he's studying, what he's learning, what his friends are doing, etc.
Also, the argument that you didn't need to do homework because your program of study didn't require it is kind of irrelevant. Maybe your LO will go into a different field, and the ability to do homework and/or bring work home at the end of the day would be an asset. I've interviewed many candidates that show up thinking that they can skate by doing nothing-- it's always a wake up call when you tell them you expect a certain amount of work and you don't care how long it takes them to do it.
It wasn't an argument about not doing homework as much as it is an example of other ways of learn. It was also one class and a college coarse. I can assure you that 3 -12hr shifts of hands on instruction is anything but skating by.
***Supplementing my comment above. It really bothers me you compare alternative forms of instruction (ex. Clinicals) to your canidates that just want to skate by.
-Regardless of your perspective the reality is that sometimes you can't learn everything from a book. If I had not had my clinical experiences I would not have gained the ability to operate the machines I do and perform the skills that are critical to my profession. I can read all day long how to operate a ventilator, but without hands on experience I would have never truly had the competency and confidence to effectively take care of patients. The books helped me pass the board exams, but they did not completely help me become an effective therapist. Alternative forms of instruction are critical to a variety of professions.
Our routine for our elementary age son (3rd grade) definitely includes homework time. He gets home around 4, eats a snack and puts his things away, heads to sports/activity practice, and does 30-60 minutes of homework at the kitchen table while I cook dinner. It's an important part of our day because he can tell me about school, what he's studying, what he's learning, what his friends are doing, etc.
Also, the argument that you didn't need to do homework because your program of study didn't require it is kind of irrelevant. Maybe your LO will go into a different field, and the ability to do homework and/or bring work home at the end of the day would be an asset. I've interviewed many candidates that show up thinking that they can skate by doing nothing-- it's always a wake up call when you tell them you expect a certain amount of work and you don't care how long it takes them to do it.
It wasn't an argument about not doing homework as much as it is an example of other ways of learn. It was also one class and a college coarse. I can assure you that 3 -12hr shifts of hands on instruction is anything but skating by.
***Supplementing my comment above. It really bothers me you compare alternative forms of instruction (ex. Clinicals) to your canidates that just want to skate by.
-Regardless of your perspective the reality is that sometimes you can't learn everything from a book. If I had not had my clinical experiences I would not have gained the ability to operate the machines I do and perform the skills that are critical to my profession. I can read all day long how to operate a ventilator, but without hands on experience I would have never truly had the competency and confidence to effectively take care of patients. The books helped me pass the board exams, but they did not completely help me become an effective therapist. Alternative forms of instruction are critical to a variety of professions.
You're right. You can't learn everything from a book.... Which is why the kids have homework!! So they can the reading and very basic, knowledge level, pratice and memorization at home. Unfortunately that is required for learning. And if that was all done in school, so that families didn't have to do it at home and take away from "family" time, then the opportunity for higher-order thinking activities is gone. Which is where real learning and thinking takes place. But the kids need the basic knowledge too.
I know you're going to just take offense to this but it really comes off as that you know exactly what a teacher's job entails and are placing more value on your "outside learning experiences" than the learning experiences they plan and execute in their classrooms. That's okay. We are used to every one thinking they're experts on what we do. That's just how it is. I on the other hand would never think for a second I have any idea what you do as a respiratory nurse. But everyone thinks that because they went to school they know all about it, from parents to legislators. That's cool. We do have degrees in how children's brains work and how to best provide lessons to teach them, however.
But as I said before, we can totally do all the reading and math practice in class. But there go the opportunities for your child to think independently, investigate topics, and learn to debate and discuss with peers. And I guarantee you kids would start hating school. Andplusalso, you may not realize this but your child will do things and work in ways for that teacher that they will never do for you. Because that's just how it is. There's a distance there. Just like my MIL won't listen to MH about health and fitness even though he has a master's degree in it. Proximity bias. So we shouldn't waste that valuable learning time doing tasks that can be done at home.
@caden1206 - I'm a teacher as well and found that my clinicals and student teaching were very helpful in preparing me for the field. The "book learning" gave me the background I needed to understand the "how" and I am very grateful for that knowledge. I'm sure you also have both experiences and it sounds like we're on the same page about which one we feel was more helpful; however, I do feel that I wouldn't be as effective in my field if I didn't have the "book learning" to give me a foundation.
Regarding homework, I teach languages and feel it's very important to practice outside of class. I teach beginning language, so sometimes I assign simple things like greeting friends family and sometimes students go home with written verb practice/short essay work. In order to attain fluency, students NEED to practice. I'm a huge advocate for participating in extra-curriculars, but it's difficult when students are so busy with outside activities that their studies get neglected and they fall behind.
@caden1206 - I think it's kind of funny that you are against homework but are a respiratory therapist. I've had several interactions with them for various reasons (when my mom had bypass surgery, my son had asthma hospitalizations, etc). Each one I ever met actually assigned homework! They would work with the patient and then tell them to blow into that stupid plastic tube and make the ball stay at whatever number for whatever seconds, and to do it each hour or every 20 minutes or whatever, when the therapist wasn't there! I guess those therapists weren't doing their jobs either since they weren't able to get any potential respiratory problems resolved when they were present with them. Of course, I'm a teacher and not an expert in respiratory studies so personally I wouldn't assume that what they were doing wasn't correct or beneficial to my mom/son and I surely wouldn't think my own ideas on how to prevent pneumonia after surgery would be better than what someone who's actually studied for years to learn how to do it. But again, that's just me.
@caden1206 - I think it's kind of funny that you are against homework but are a respiratory therapist. I've had several interactions with them for various reasons (when my mom had bypass surgery, my son had asthma hospitalizations, etc). Each one I ever met actually assigned homework! They would work with the patient and then tell them to blow into that stupid plastic tube and make the ball stay at whatever number for whatever seconds, and to do it each hour or every 20 minutes or whatever, when the therapist wasn't there! I guess those therapists weren't doing their jobs either since they weren't able to get any potential respiratory problems resolved when they were present with them. Of course, I'm a teacher and not an expert in respiratory studies so personally I wouldn't assume that what they were doing wasn't correct or beneficial to my mom/son and I surely wouldn't think my own ideas on how to prevent pneumonia after surgery would be better than what someone who's actually studied for years to learn how to do it. But again, that's just me.
Ya, so I am kind of over this conversation now. I stated my perspective and the things that I think are important for an elementary student. I never once said I judge teachers. I have said that I believe in alternative ways of learning and wished we had more family time not allocated to homework. I support my son's teachers by continuing to encourage their recommendations. A lot of my perspective has been miscontrued into something it isn't. Assumptions have been made about my parenting, profession, and a general population of people I am not sure exist. I get your (everyone's) perspectives and experiences and I respect them.
In regards to the bolded, an IS (the "stupid plastic tube") is a way of preventing pneumonia and encouraging deep breathing and coughing. As the patient you do not have to do it. A therapist can instruct and encourage you, but you do not have to comply. Your health is your business and we are here to support when needed. If you ever feel that a member of your healthcare team is not doing their job I strongly suggest you notify someone.
You sure get defensive on this topic. I don't think anyone has "made assumptions" about your parenting or job.
This is what it boils down to for me: " I stated my perspective and the things that I think are important for an elementary student. "
I don't make assumptions about what is important for people in respiratory therapy, but you have already decided what is important for learning and what isn't.
You sure get defensive on this topic. I don't think anyone has "made assumptions" about your parenting or job.
This is what it boils down to for me:
" I stated my perspective and the things that I think are important for an elementary student. "
I don't make assumptions about what is important for people in respiratory therapy, but you have already decided what is important for learning and what isn't.
Actually, I think I have conducted myself pretty well with a lot of the insults that have been slung around. I also think that being defensive is being linked to my desire to express my own personal beliefs even if they are unpopular. I kind of thought this was the whole point of the post.
I understand that you have gathered that my desire for no homework was a slam to your profession, but it isn't. Like @spankingshank said, the quote from my grandmother is probably what sparked most of the backlash. While it is not my place to judge teachers I am this child's mother and I do have the right to want, wish, or even alter what I think is best for his education. Just like my patients are able to refuse any of the therapy I provide. Never once did I tell teachers what to do or how to do their jobs. I specifically spoke about what I desire for after school.
@caden1206 - I'm sorry for using the word "stupid"....I was just typing quickly and didn't know the name for it and wrote that. I didn't mean it in a negative way, although I could see how you could take it that way. All I was getting at is that your profession requires homework too, and I thought it was ironic that you didn't like it. I am very grateful for respiratory therapists, as I mentioned my son has been hospitalized twice for asthma. I took the professional opinion and did the homework, just like you do with your son's teachers. All I was getting at was that I just thought it was funny coming from someone who probably assigns homework each day...just in a different way.
@caden1206 - I'm sorry for using the word "stupid"....I was just typing quickly and didn't know the name for it and wrote that. I didn't mean it in a negative way, although I could see how you could take it that way. All I was getting at is that your profession requires homework too, and I thought it was ironic that you didn't like it. I am very grateful for respiratory therapists, as I mentioned my son has been hospitalized twice for asthma. I took the professional opinion and did the homework, just like you do with your son's teachers. All I was getting at was that I just thought it was funny coming from someone who probably assigns homework each day...just in a different way.
That's ok. I guess I am just having a hard time relating an IS and personalized healthcare to elementary homework.
I really want to let this die but really @caden1206 - all of the insults thrown around? You were the one who insulted teachers by including a quote from your grandmother that said if teachers did their job, kids wouldn't need homework. Instead of just admitting that maybe that was an unfair thing to say, you got defensive and kept this conversation going for 4 pages. I really like you and I hope this hasn't ruined our bump friendship. I think it's gone too far, but it still seems like you don't understand why that comment pissed several of us off.
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I am sorry if I insulted any of you. That was not my intentions. Also, if I ever keep a conversation going and people want to end it please let me know. Other than my comment from my grandmother, I didn't really think my continued participation was harming anything. I'll be done:)
I revealed a very personal, vulnerable side of myself to explain my original comment. I also apologized for any hurt it might have caused. That was not my intention.
If you still think I'm a bitch, I can't change your mind.
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I revealed a very personal, vulnerable side of myself to explain my original comment. I also apologized for any hurt it might have caused. That was not my intention.
If you still think I'm a bitch, I can't change your mind.
Oh lawd.
Nobody called you a bitch, and I think everyone appreciated the openness with which you shared your reasoning.
But you gotta admit, back in the old days some people would have ripped into that. GIF wars and all
I revealed a very personal, vulnerable side of myself to explain my original comment. I also apologized for any hurt it might have caused. That was not my intention.
If you still think I'm a bitch, I can't change your mind.
Oh lawd.
Nobody called you a bitch, and I think everyone appreciated the openness with which you shared your reasoning.
But you gotta admit, back in the old days some people would have ripped into that. GIF wars and all
Well hello there, this is really want I wanted to say......
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Also, the argument that you didn't need to do homework because your program of study didn't require it is kind of irrelevant. Maybe your LO will go into a different field, and the ability to do homework and/or bring work home at the end of the day would be an asset. I've interviewed many candidates that show up thinking that they can skate by doing nothing-- it's always a wake up call when you tell them you expect a certain amount of work and you don't care how long it takes them to do it.
It wasn't an argument about not doing homework as much as it is an example of other ways of learn. It was also one class and a college coarse. I can assure you that 3 -12hr shifts of hands on instruction is anything but skating by.
***Supplementing my comment above. It really bothers me you compare alternative forms of instruction (ex. Clinicals) to your canidates that just want to skate by.
-Regardless of your perspective the reality is that sometimes you can't learn everything from a book. If I had not had my clinical experiences I would not have gained the ability to operate the machines I do and perform the skills that are critical to my profession. I can read all day long how to operate a ventilator, but without hands on experience I would have never truly had the competency and confidence to effectively take care of patients. The books helped me pass the board exams, but they did not completely help me become an effective therapist. Alternative forms of instruction are critical to a variety of professions.
I know you're going to just take offense to this but it really comes off as that you know exactly what a teacher's job entails and are placing more value on your "outside learning experiences" than the learning experiences they plan and execute in their classrooms. That's okay. We are used to every one thinking they're experts on what we do. That's just how it is. I on the other hand would never think for a second I have any idea what you do as a respiratory nurse. But everyone thinks that because they went to school they know all about it, from parents to legislators. That's cool. We do have degrees in how children's brains work and how to best provide lessons to teach them, however.
But as I said before, we can totally do all the reading and math practice in class. But there go the opportunities for your child to think independently, investigate topics, and learn to debate and discuss with peers. And I guarantee you kids would start hating school. Andplusalso, you may not realize this but your child will do things and work in ways for that teacher that they will never do for you. Because that's just how it is. There's a distance there. Just like my MIL won't listen to MH about health and fitness even though he has a master's degree in it. Proximity bias. So we shouldn't waste that valuable learning time doing tasks that can be done at home.
Regarding homework, I teach languages and feel it's very important to practice outside of class. I teach beginning language, so sometimes I assign simple things like greeting friends family and sometimes students go home with written verb practice/short essay work. In order to attain fluency, students NEED to practice. I'm a huge advocate for participating in extra-curriculars, but it's difficult when students are so busy with outside activities that their studies get neglected and they fall behind.
**DD1 - 7/9/98**
**DS - 11/9/00**
**DD2 - 4/30/13**
Ya, so I am kind of over this conversation now. I stated my perspective and the things that I think are important for an elementary student. I never once said I judge teachers. I have said that I believe in alternative ways of learning and wished we had more family time not allocated to homework. I support my son's teachers by continuing to encourage their recommendations. A lot of my perspective has been miscontrued into something it isn't. Assumptions have been made about my parenting, profession, and a general population of people I am not sure exist. I get your (everyone's) perspectives and experiences and I respect them.
In regards to the bolded, an IS (the "stupid plastic tube") is a way of preventing pneumonia and encouraging deep breathing and coughing. As the patient you do not have to do it. A therapist can instruct and encourage you, but you do not have to comply. Your health is your business and we are here to support when needed. If you ever feel that a member of your healthcare team is not doing their job I strongly suggest you notify someone.
This is what it boils down to for me:
" I stated my perspective and the things that I think are important for an elementary student. "
I don't make assumptions about what is important for people in respiratory therapy, but you have already decided what is important for learning and what isn't.
Actually, I think I have conducted myself pretty well with a lot of the insults that have been slung around. I also think that being defensive is being linked to my desire to express my own personal beliefs even if they are unpopular. I kind of thought this was the whole point of the post.
I understand that you have gathered that my desire for no homework was a slam to your profession, but it isn't. Like @spankingshank said, the quote from my grandmother is probably what sparked most of the backlash. While it is not my place to judge teachers I am this child's mother and I do have the right to want, wish, or even alter what I think is best for his education. Just like my patients are able to refuse any of the therapy I provide. Never once did I tell teachers what to do or how to do their jobs. I specifically spoke about what I desire for after school.
**DD1 - 7/9/98**
**DS - 11/9/00**
**DD2 - 4/30/13**
Sorry for going on and on about homework. I meant to just say I am excited to do homework with C and that was all I wanted to say.
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Uh, I don't think any of them are pretty!
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Precious baby boy "HC" born May 2013.
Precious baby boy "HC" born May 2013.
Oh lawd. Nobody called you a bitch, and I think everyone appreciated the openness with which you shared your reasoning. But you gotta admit, back in the old days some people would have ripped into that. GIF wars and all