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  • WasNotWasWasNotWas member
    @ilovemarfa said:

    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    My husband is md and he didn't do a rotation at planned parenthood because the company (they perform abortions) goes against his moral and religious convictions. He said that a md doesn't have to do anything that goes against his morals but what he does have to do is refer you to a doctor that will do a procedure or prescribe a drug.

    Wait. For real for real? Do you understand the scope of Planned Parenthood services? Abortions only account for 3% of their services. Shame on your husband.
    To each his own. It doesn't matter if abortion accounted for .000025 percent of their services. As a devout, practicing catholic he is against abortions. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do and he shouldn't be "shamed" for having moral convictions.

    Let's leave the shaming to him
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    @numbersgirl08 said:

    WasNotWas said:

    I assume that I'm not in the most of you @numbersgirl08 but I 100% agree with what you said about the slippery slope. That's what's got me hot. This is a Supreme Court decision and that holds weight when it comes to legal precident

    I wouldn't say you aren't! I was about to say all, then was like, that's probably not true because all is so strong, so I didn't. I don't like to make absolute statements because rarely is anything absolute :)
    No worries! I'm doing this all mobile so it's a lot more stream of consciousness than is needed for a civilized discussion
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    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    My husband is md and he didn't do a rotation at planned parenthood because the company (they perform abortions) goes against his moral and religious convictions. He said that a md doesn't have to do anything that goes against his morals but what he does have to do is refer you to a doctor that will do a procedure or prescribe a drug.

    Wait. For real for real? Do you understand the scope of Planned Parenthood services? Abortions only account for 3% of their services. Shame on your husband.
    To each his own. It doesn't matter if abortion accounted for .000025 percent of their services. As a devout, practicing catholic he is against abortions. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do and he shouldn't be "shamed" for having moral convictions.

    Let's leave the shaming to him

    Believe me, he's not ashamed of his decision. He practices psychiatry and addiction medicine so he definitely helps a lot of people.
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    ilovemarfa said:

    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    My husband is md and he didn't do a rotation at planned parenthood because the company (they perform abortions) goes against his moral and religious convictions. He said that a md doesn't have to do anything that goes against his morals but what he does have to do is refer you to a doctor that will do a procedure or prescribe a drug.

    Wait. For real for real? Do you understand the scope of Planned Parenthood services? Abortions only account for 3% of their services. Shame on your husband.
    To each his own. It doesn't matter if abortion accounted for .000025 percent of their services. As a devout, practicing catholic he is against abortions. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do and he shouldn't be "shamed" for having moral convictions.

    Let's leave the shaming to him

    Believe me, he's not ashamed of his decision. He practices psychiatry and addiction medicine so he definitely helps a lot of people.
    But only people who he approves of and only the treatment that matches his religious beliefs, not necessarily what's best for the patient
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    WasNotWas said:

    ilovemarfa said:

    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    WasNotWas said:

    @ilovemarfa said:

    My husband is md and he didn't do a rotation at planned parenthood because the company (they perform abortions) goes against his moral and religious convictions. He said that a md doesn't have to do anything that goes against his morals but what he does have to do is refer you to a doctor that will do a procedure or prescribe a drug.

    Wait. For real for real? Do you understand the scope of Planned Parenthood services? Abortions only account for 3% of their services. Shame on your husband.
    To each his own. It doesn't matter if abortion accounted for .000025 percent of their services. As a devout, practicing catholic he is against abortions. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do and he shouldn't be "shamed" for having moral convictions.

    Let's leave the shaming to him

    Believe me, he's not ashamed of his decision. He practices psychiatry and addiction medicine so he definitely helps a lot of people.
    But only people who he approves of and only the treatment that matches his religious beliefs, not necessarily what's best for the patient
    There aren't abortions being preformed on the mental health and detox unit. He just won't work for an establishment that does abortions- irregardless if that's not the majority of their business.

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    But I'm a little concerned that so many people think all doctors shouldn't be able to say no to certain procedures. For example, I personally am against abortion, in that I would never have one. And I personally have avoided certain birth control for it's possible abortive capabilities. But I understand that is MY personal conviction for MY body. I wouldn't have issues prescribing the birth control because it's not necessarily an abortive measure - I think there's too much unknown about that. But I would not be comfortable performing an abortion. I'm still not making any statement on whether women should have the choice or not. I'm just saying I wouldn't perform one. Does that mean I should never be a doctor? No one with similar convictions should be a dr? People that truly believe abortion is ending a life (whether you do or not, at least I think most people can understand where that thought comes from) should either have to be willing to do them or never go into the medical field? Clearly doctors are people, not corporations, so I don't think the same arguments against the Supreme Court ruling apply.
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    WasNotWas said:

    But @numbersgirl08‌ just like @ilovemarfa 's husband has done, you find a field that won't put you in that uncomfortable situation. If you are an abortion doctor who doesn't like abortions then you are in the wrong field. It's the other end of the pick a career that matches your values argument

    I agree with this. I think I was responding to the impression I got that you shouldn't go into the medical field at all if you are not going to do certain things because of moral/religious convictions. Perhaps I wrongly got that impression.
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    @steamboat123 said:

    @numbersgirl08‌ in my humble opinion I have no problems with drs not wanting to preform an abortions. I have issues with an OB not prescribing BC, IUDs, morning after pills etc. or pharmacist not wanting to fill those scripts. You chose to go into that field understanding the job description.

    The pharmacist thing must be a private pharmacy thing because I can promise you Walgreens wouldn't allow their employees to refuse it
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  • ilovemarfailovemarfa member
    My husband had planned parenthood as an option when he was doing his ob/gyno rotation or something. He just chose another place to do a rotation at.
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    @ilovemarfa said:

    My husband had planned parenthood as an option when he was doing his ob/gyno rotation or something. He just chose another place to do a rotation at.

    Gotcha! I had it in my mind that he like took the month off :)
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    CatalinaPink said:

    ilovemarfa said:

    I am a conservative republican and I'm assuming that you guys are liberals so we probably will never agree on anything. I personally am more concerned about the thousands of undocumented aliens coming across the southern border than this hobby lobby ruling.

    I find it odd that we have an issue with the Mexican immigrants and not with those that are employing them. Most immigrants come for jobs, and they are readily available. There aren't too many people willing to work in the fields in 108 degree weather. The problem isn't them crossing the border, the problem is we want them to do work and not have to see them and have them be a part of our community.

    @CatalinaPink‌ My mom was brought across from Mexico as a baby and her family lived her illegally until my aunt married a border patrol agent and helped the family become legal so I don't have an issue with Mexicans at all. It is just crazy how these unaccompanied minors are coming from Central America in droves. My family primarily works for customs and border protection/ice and a lot of them are being sent down the southern border on detail because the situation is getting out of control.
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    @steamboat123 said:

    Here is one to annoy you @wasnotwas. I don't mind sending thank you notes after big events, but I hate the expectation that I should send you a thank you note after every little gift. If you chose to buy DD something and I thanked you in person we should be good.

    Traditionally an in person thank you is sufficient, but I like to thank people for attending a party/event in the same way I bring a hostess gift to thank someone for welcoming me to their event. If it's a random gift giving occasion an in person thank you is perfect.
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    HelgaFunk said:


    ilovemarfa said:

    I am a conservative republican and I'm assuming that you guys are liberals so we probably will never agree on anything. I personally am more concerned about the thousands of undocumented aliens coming across the southern border than this hobby lobby ruling.

    I haven't read past this but I guess this is my UO. I despise people that are against "illegal aliens" coming to America, considering I'm pretty sure that's what makes this America. Unless you're Native American then I'm confident that your ancestors came from other countries.



    @HelgaFunk‌ I am a former customs officer (I quit after having ds1) so it was my job to arrest illegal aliens. There are ways for people to immigrate legally. This country would have an enormous problem if we just opened our borders and welcomed everybody in. Every country has rules regarding immigration. If I decided to get up and move to the United Kingdom without proper authorization I would be deported.
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    @ilovemarfa - i see your point. i just get stabby when people get all extremist on these issues.
     
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    steamboat123 said:

    @numbersgirl08‌ since you are knowledgable. Does the ruling open up state law? Or is it just federal? Some states mandate infertility coverage, which would be a violation of certain religions.

    That's an interesting question and I'm not sure how it relates to state law. I'd have to go reread or do some more research. But I don't think it is related to the infertility laws because those are mandating public insurance companies to provide that within coverage options, not closely privately held non-insurance companies to provide it to their employees.
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    @HelgaFunk‌ and when I mentioned the undocumented aliens in the the other post I should have said unaccompanied minors. It is extremely dangerous for kids to be making the journey from Central America with smugglers who charge thousands of dollars for passage. These kids can, and probably some are, be abused. When they get here they are housed in less than stellar conditions because he government cannot find housing quick enough for them (my 2 cousins are a few friends are border patrol agents in Tucson and casa grande, Arizona so I've heard about the conditions. That is what I'm concerned about.
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  • Lizzybizzy80Lizzybizzy80 member
    edited July 2014
    I read the opinion and I don't agree with it. I doubt it will be read and interpreted as narrowly as the majority claim. I hope that if closely held companies with such sincerely held religious beliefs can opt out of providing coverage that there would be no financial benefit to the company to opting out. Is there a financial benefit to Hobby Lobby by not providing this coverage?

    If so, maybe change the law so any amount the companies save by opting out must be given as a bonus to employees or used to share in more of the cost of overall insurance coverage. Maybe would stop companies using this as a pretext just to save money.

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    @steamboat123‌ good to know, so there isn't really any financial benefit. I'm still worried what craziness is going to come out of this. A lot of the opinion seemed more like a swipe at the Affordable Care Act.

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  • Monkeybutt80Monkeybutt80 member
    edited July 2014
    elmoali said:

    What if a company is owned my Jehovah's witnesses? Am I not allowed a blood transfusion? No other group sees anything wrong with them so it takes the "morality" issue out if we use that example instead. Slippery slope indeed.

    I understand the fear of slippery slope but the way I read the opinion, and the holding is so narrow that I don't think it's as dangerous as the media makes it out to be. I mean I've read headlines online that said absurd things like 'the Supreme Court allows corporations to opt out of birth control coverage'.
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    Lizzybizzy80 said:

    I read the opinion and I don't agree with it. I doubt it will be read and interpreted as narrowly as the majority claim. I hope that if closely held companies with such sincerely held religious beliefs can opt out of providing coverage that there would be no financial benefit to the company to opting out. Is there a financial benefit to Hobby Lobby by not providing this coverage?

    If so, maybe change the law so any amount the companies save by opting out must be given as a bonus to employees or used to share in more of the cost of overall insurance coverage. Maybe would stop companies using this as a pretext just to save money.

    So to be honest, I'm on vacation and a bottle and half of wine deep. But, the law that allows sole proprietorship to opt out for religious belief is already in place, enacted by the congress. The Supreme Court held that closely held corporations should be allowed the same protection as the sole proprietorship. The rationale included that someone who has 50+ employees shouldn't have to choose between incorporating their business as a closely held corporation vs remaing as a sole proprietorship by giving up the protection that the law already provides.
    Basically, I think the outrage( if you feel that way) is misplaced.
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  • Lizzybizzy80Lizzybizzy80 member
    @Monkeybutt80‌ enjoy that wine and vacation! I'm not really outraged and admittedly not that informed. The buzz I was hearing was that all companies will now make up beliefs to avoid paying for coverage so I wondered what the financial benefit would be.

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  • numbersgirl08numbersgirl08 member
    I'm very much enjoying the educated and intelligent discussions here. I see so many uninformed, emotional responses on both sides on Facebook. To be fair to them, media perpetuates it.

    A lot of good points brought up that I'll be thinking about. For now, to bed. Busy weekend ahead including lots of family in town, two Fourth celebrations, and N's bday party!
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    ilovemarfa said:

    @HelgaFunk‌ and when I mentioned the undocumented aliens in the the other post I should have said unaccompanied minors. It is extremely dangerous for kids to be making the journey from Central America with smugglers who charge thousands of dollars for passage. These kids can, and probably some are, be abused. When they get here they are housed in less than stellar conditions because he government cannot find housing quick enough for them (my 2 cousins are a few friends are border patrol agents in Tucson and casa grande, Arizona so I've heard about the conditions. That is what I'm concerned about.

    This is such a big issue now that I don't think is getting a lot of attention. I heard a very good broadcast about it on NPR. I feel so bad for the kids.
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    @numbersgirl08‌ I consider myself one of the uneducated but I don't post on Facebook. I'm very glad that you all discuss these things so I know more and love the links as well.
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  • Monkeybutt80Monkeybutt80 member
    @Lizzybizzy80‌ Thanks :) love vacations even if it's with 25 + of my husband's side of the family in a house! I wasn't really saying that you were outraged by it. I'm not even really sure why I quoted you. I think it was more of giving the context of my post rather than respond specifically to your post!
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    melOHdy said:

    Late in the day UO: I think if you reside in a country and have kids there that is your duty as a parent to familiarize yourself with the common tongue and/or secure a reliable interpreter for medical/legal/school matters. It's not fair to kids to have to interpret such sensitive information for their parents.

    I'm in no way arguing that "this is 'merica speak English" but I don't think it's fair to make your 9 yr old interpret your medical results or their student teacher conferences.

    Really really late to the game. But all of this! I feeling so much better learning conversational Arabic to get around morocco.
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