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  • My issue with renting is this. If we owned the house we are currently renting with the housing market the way it is here, we would be paying hundreds of dollars less each month. Sort of feels like we are throwing money away. But, I do understand what you're saying.

    Totally see that @tiffletons518‌ and I am still bitter that we lost over 30k 2009 when we sold our condo.
    @steamboat123 Ugh. That sucks. The house we are currently renting appraised for $115,00 in 2004 or 2005. Currently? About $65,000.
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    BC&LM said:

    I don't understand why lobster is considered the cream of the seafood crop. Crab is soooooo much tastier.

    I am with ya, sister!!!!
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    I don't like HOA's.

    Until some a$$hole on the block paints the house a crazy color or doesn't take care of the lawn. I wish our neighborhood had an HOA to regulate some of the stupids on our block.
  • BonnieK10 said:
    I think it looks so fake when all the pictures of someone have them with their hand on their hip, clearly posing so they look skinnier (this is NOT aimed at anyone here, I haven't seen it here, it's just been on my Facebook a lot).  Yeah, I get it makes you look slimmer, but it also makes you look super self conscious, and like you're more worried about appearance than having fun.  It's one thing when a few of one's pictures have the hand-on-hip pose, it's another when it looks like all of them are the exact same except the background and clothes were changed.
     
    I have a friend who does this in every single picture.  It looks so phony and unnatural.
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  • I guess my UO is that I read the justice's opinions on the Hobby Lobby ruling and have mixed feelings on it. I think that's unpopular because everyone seems to feel sooooo strongly one way or the other and I just think it's such a complicated issue and I see where both sides are coming from.

    Can you explain the other side to me? Why do they not have to follow the law?
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    Nix55 said:

    I don't like HOA's.

    Until some a$$hole on the block paints the house a crazy color or doesn't take care of the lawn. I wish our neighborhood had an HOA to regulate some of the stupids on our block.
    I understand the lawn thing because if someone gets weeds and stuff, they can spread seeds in the wind and mess up other people's lawns. But I don't care about the color of other people's houses for the most part. I feel like if people own their house they should be able to paint it whatever they want as long as it's not a historic neighborhood or anything.

  • I will say about the renting that I am wasting a lot of money on an apartment that is the least updated on the the complex (13 buildings and we have been told that by management).  We have no yard and a galley kitchen.  I pay $1360 a month now because we are needing to stay another year.  I pay $1360 for an apartment with 1980s appliances, a AC that was freezing up all of the time, windows on one side that makes the rest of the apartment really dark, and hardly any storage.  I think it is a ridiculous waste of money, but we are stuck for at least another year.

    My UO: I honestly don't know what the debate is about Hobby Lobby.  I don't shop there because the one in Topeka, KS supports or supported Westboro Baptist Church.  I have really stopped reading most articles on Facebook and I don't watch or read the new often, so I have no idea about what is going on.  I don't like to get all stressed out about things I can't really impact much.
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  • numbersgirl08numbersgirl08 member
    edited July 2014
    I totally get the argument behind corporations and the law. That's why I get pulled that way. And the dissenting opinion does a good job of explaining it.

    I was leaning that way until I read the majority opinion from the Supreme Court. Now I understand that side better. So I recommend reading it for a good explanation because I keep trying to put it in my own words and failing.

    But I do recommend everyone reading both opinions to see both sides of this debate. They have articulated the concerns and issues so much better than any article or Facebook comment will.
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    edited July 2014
    @Bleachy14 I don't think people mind them because they've vulgar - they just find them gross.  I hate the word chunky and my friend about dies if someone says slough.  Chewy is another one that gives me the willies.
    Formerly known as elmoali :)

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  • smpeachey said:

    @numbersgirl08 I read part of the decision and I am shocked more people aren't up in arms about the fact that the justices said that if the insurance/corporation won't pay for it, that congress needs to set up a system that would allow the government to pay for it. I think that is great, but probably won't happen. I guess I feel like they sort of moved the problem around.  


    I also like that idea. I guess I think there's just more to the judge's decision, including the part you noted, that just doesn't get mentioned or discussed.
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    I totally get the argument behind corporations and the law. That's why I get pulled that way. And the dissenting opinion does a good job of explaining it.

    I was leaning that way until I read the majority opinion from the Supreme Court. Now I understand that side better. So I recommend reading it for a good explanation because I keep trying to put it in my own words and failing.

    But I do recommend everyone reading both opinions to see both sides of this debate. They have articulated the concerns and issues so much better than any article or Facebook comment will.


    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/13pdf/13-354_olp1.pdf

    For anyone who is interested!
  • Here's my whole take on the hobby lobby issue. If you don't like their benefits and are against their policies, don't work or shop there. My ob/gyn, who is the chief of obstetrics of a hospital here in buffalo, doesn't prescribe birth control nor will he perform tubal litigations because it goes against his religious convictions. When you call as a new patient, the receptionist advises you of his policies before they even schedule your appointment. He must not be hurting for patients considering I had to have my md husband call in a few favors to get me an appointment when I first switched since he wasn't accepting new patients. I'm not saying that I'm anti woman's rights but everybody has choices. I know that if I didn't like the benefits a job provided I wouldn't take it.
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  • Ahh yes the good old get a new job argument. Like that is always so easy. There are a lot of valid counter arguments, but that ain't one.

    Honestly, I'm really tired of people crying that their rights are being denied. What about people's religious rights?? The company is a privately owned company. If the owner's don't want to provide the morning after pill or IUD's because it goes against their religious convictions, they shouldn't have to.

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  • @WasNotWas‌ I agree with you 100%!!!!

    I mAy be wrong but don't they cover Viagra?
  • @WasNotWas‌ and @steamboat123‌ they do provide benefits. They just don't provide coverage for plan b and other types of "birth control" that can cause a fertilized egg to be aborted. You can buy plan b at the drugstore for $50 without insurance. Do you think all doctors should prescribe birth control too regardless of their religious beliefs?
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  • @GalLaura said:

    @WasNotWas‌ I agree with you 100%!!!!

    I mAy be wrong but don't they cover Viagra?

    For me, that's the second issue I have. The fact that it's a women's health care service that they are asking to restrict.
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  • I am a conservative republican and I'm assuming that you guys are liberals so we probably will never agree on anything. I personally am more concerned about the thousands of undocumented aliens coming across the southern border than this hobby lobby ruling.
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  • It is a bummer that I'm not going to shop at hobby lobby anymore. I've always chosen them over michael's simply based on product availability and price, but I just can't support them anymore.

    It's great that people have choices as to where to shop. I also don't patronize certain stores because they support organizations that I don't particularly support.
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  • smpeachey said:

    @numbersgirl08 I read part of the decision and I am shocked more people aren't up in arms about the fact that the justices said that if the insurance/corporation won't pay for it, that congress needs to set up a system that would allow the government to pay for it. I think that is great, but probably won't happen. I guess I feel like they sort of moved the problem around.  


    I wonder if they realize how expensive some drugs are. There is a new hepatitis c treatment that is 150k for 12 weeks. Hepatitis C is mainly contracted through unprotected sex. Privately held companies could say they shouldn't have to cover this disease if it was contracted outside marriage as it violates their religious beliefs. It is this stuff that worries me.

    I will read the decision tomorrow.
    I think it's the slippery slope that does bother me, but the court did not say they could avoid providing other things because they don't support sex before marriage. It specifically said the decision is only applicable to the contraceptive mandate. I think what does bother me is where do you say the line is? What religious convictions are ok to not provide coverage for? But the opinion does do a good job going over why they decided these corporations deserve protection under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act. And it explains that not all religious convictions would be covered by the RFRA.
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  • I assume that I'm not in the most of you @numbersgirl08 but I 100% agree with what you said about the slippery slope. That's what's got me hot. This is a Supreme Court decision and that holds weight when it comes to legal precident
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  • My husband is md and he didn't do a rotation at planned parenthood because the company (they perform abortions) goes against his moral and religious convictions. He said that a md doesn't have to do anything that goes against his morals but what he does have to do is refer you to a doctor that will do a procedure or prescribe a drug.
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  • My husband just said that there are state laws that say that pharmacist do not have to dispense medications if it goes against their moral/religious convictions.
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  • BC&LMBC&LM member
    edited July 2014


    Ahh yes the good old get a new job argument. Like that is always so easy. There are a lot of valid counter arguments, but that ain't one.

    Honestly, I'm really tired of people crying that their rights are being denied. What about people's religious rights?? The company is a privately owned company. If the owner's don't want to provide the morning after pill or IUD's because it goes against their religious convictions, they shouldn't have to.

    A company isn't people. It is pretty simple. If they want to stay people don't become a LLC and get those benefits too. Choose a side.
    I'm not arguing for or against the Hobby Lobby case because I find it very complicated as well, as our whole legal system is very complicated. But the idea of corporate personhood goes back many, many years; this is not some new concept that the justices created for the Hobby Lobby case. I'm not saying it is right or wrong, but there is legal precedent regarding corporate personhood, and to me that is one of the points that makes this case so complicated.
  • WasNotWas said:

    My husband is md and he didn't do a rotation at planned parenthood because the company (they perform abortions) goes against his moral and religious convictions. He said that a md doesn't have to do anything that goes against his morals but what he does have to do is refer you to a doctor that will do a procedure or prescribe a drug.

    Wait. For real for real? Do you understand the scope of Planned Parenthood services? Abortions only account for 3% of their services. Shame on your husband.
    To each his own. It doesn't matter if abortion accounted for .000025 percent of their services. As a devout, practicing catholic he is against abortions. He doesn't have to do anything he doesn't want to do and he shouldn't be "shamed" for having moral convictions.

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  • WasNotWas said:

    I assume that I'm not in the most of you @numbersgirl08 but I 100% agree with what you said about the slippery slope. That's what's got me hot. This is a Supreme Court decision and that holds weight when it comes to legal precident

    I wouldn't say you aren't! I was about to say all, then was like, that's probably not true because all is so strong, so I didn't. I don't like to make absolute statements because rarely is anything absolute :)
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