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October 2013 Moms
Chrisanna0508
member
S/O Personal party definitions
Chrisanna0508
member
Based on the dialogue between @sleepy33 and @crunchymama11 , what are your personal definitions of the parties?
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Re: S/O Personal party definitions
This is a semi- joke
Conservatives= helping people help themselves and not punishing success
Andplusalso by "not punishing success" do you mean allow ceo's to take home billions of dollars (pay) and give huge tax breaks when their employees get min wage and cant afford to feed their kids? Because by that definition, success=screwing over everyone else to keep the money they "earned".
Sorry, that pisses me off to no end.
They are helping people help themselves by reducing regulations on businesses which in turn allows businesses to create jobs which in term allows people to make a living.
And I was a counselor working in homes with children raised on the system many democrats applaud and it doesn't help them succeed, but rather rewards those who don't work and those who try to work and better themselves are punished for doing so. I watched and worked with a child who's mother worked full time and was trying to get her degree as well. With twice the children she recieved half of what a neighbor who didn't work recieved. Makes sense to live off the system then right?
Removing regulations on businesses to allow them higher profits =/= businesses creating more jobs. It leads to CEOs and shareholders with higher profits.
I know what happened prior to the shutdown. I just view it differently. And that is a very jaded view of businesses. Most of the jobs in this country come from small businesses, not companies run by big whig CEOs.
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I was hoping for a concrete example. Of what they actually do, not what they do not do. Can you name a conservative law that helps people help themselves?
https://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB122298982558700341?mg=reno64-wsj&url=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122298982558700341.html There are two articles for you.
The CRA required them to make these loans.
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So when you say helping people help themselves, you mean the small percentage of the population who are small business owners? Fair enough, tax breaks will help them. What about everyone else? If conservatives were truly interested in helping the employees of small businesses perhaps they could pass tax incentives instead of tax breaks. Something to ensure that the benefit of all those saved taxes was actually trickling down to the employees rather than staying with the owners and upper management. That would help far more people help themselves but I don't believe they have done that.
The thing is though, it's the governments own fault. They don't follow through well enough on each case to ensure the public is telling the truth. If you were getting something you shouldn't have and weren't getting caught, why would you stop? Same goes for immigration. It's a flawed system. Not enough follow through or communication with other government agencies.
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Programs like this would cost money. Lots of it.
Programs like this would cost money. Lots of it.
You're probably right...but ultimately I think it would work. The reason I say this is
1. there are way to many government funded agencies that do the exact same thing. In providence there are about 6 agencies on the same street that provide the same services. No wonder why the department of human services is so unorganized.
2. Re: immigration I had a client who was on dialysis 3x a week who has been on the deportation list back to Vietnam for 19 years because Vietnam does not accept people back to the country. So he isn't in jail anymore, and he is receiving medicaid and also SSI. Imagine how much we are paying for his Medicaid? He also receives snap benefits each month. Because our immigration system is so flawed, we have this guy who is hanging in limbo, can't apply for housing assistance, can't work due to his disability, so therefore never contributed to these benefits. I'm not saying he isn't worthy of this, of course he is, it's human decency, IMO. I am just making an example of this situation because I am sure there are other cases like this, and I imagine it's EXTREMELY costly
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I think we can both agree that a few friends and some interviews isn't proof that most small business owners use their tax breaks to better the lives of their employees. Do you have a different example of how conservative laws help people help themselves? One that could be substantiated?
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Oh, I agree that it would work! The money just isn't there. And it never will be unless people can get over the attitude that "why should more of my hard earned money go to welfare so they can sit on their asses and not work?".
I mean, how is the fuck is $600/month living? It isn't. Not even close. Yes, the system is flawed. Yes, it'll be expensive to fix. But meanwhile, we need politicians who will do the right thing to maintain the safety net while it's being repaired.
It blows my mind that anyone still votes republican. Especially women. Especially young women. I just can't comprehend how anyone can relate to, identify with, and support their behavior and complete lack of compassion for others.
I'm not trying to be a dick, I just truly don't understand. Most of us are one or two paychecks away from a financial crisis. For the love of Cheeses, can we please, stop pointing fingers at each other and start pointing them at the CEOs of multibillion dollar corporations and politicians who are put into office by them?
As an HR professional working for a small family owned business, I am astounded at the hundreds of people who can't pass a drug screen, don't show up for work (our biggest reason for turnover!!), and who would just feel like everything should be handed to them.
The Department of Labor has prosecuted union bosses for embezzling millions of dollars from members as well as found them to be involved in labor racketeering and organized crime within the union ranks. They have been fined, forced to pay restitution, etc. for these actions.
In regards to your second question, yes, I think they always have the option to not work for a company if they don't agree with them. However, 16 of the 20 FDA approved birth control methods are covered by Hobby Lobby and the others should be available to them as well due to executive action by HHS secretary Sebilius.