Microchips

sleepy33 · June 2014

Assume microchips are implanted- in people- for a variety of helpful reasons, including providing medical history to emergency workers, finding you if you are lost/kidnapped, or tracking fugitives from justice.

chelseyestelle · June 2014

Voluntary, yes.

CatieG · June 2014

I voted SS. Voluntary for ordinary citizens and mandatory for anyone who has been convicted of a crime in a court of law.

Jalee85 · June 2014

I would support voluntary. I would be more hesitant on mandatory. Only because I think there will be an ensuing shit storm. Of the likes that have never been experienced before. I don't think I could handle all that drama on my FB Feed.

sleepy33 · June 2014

CatieG said:

I voted SS. Voluntary for ordinary citizens and mandatory for anyone who has been convicted of a crime in a court of law.

Excellent idea!

jennlin · June 2014

CatieG said:

I voted SS. Voluntary for ordinary citizens and mandatory for anyone who has been convicted of a crime in a court of law.

i want to change my answer, this is better.

jeneshields · June 2014

I actually met someone who chipped their child years ago. We went snow skiing about 10 years back. Our instructor had his 7 year old son chipped to track him if he was kidnapped or got lost skiing. The kid was awesome at skiing and went off on his own all day. But I'm undecided...

sleepy33 · June 2014

Now that I've posted this, though...can you even find people remotely from microchips? I think for dogs they have to scan the animal to find them. IDK if they can actually make microchips that you can locate remotely, like a cell phone or a lo-jack or whatever. But let's assume you can, because that makes the discussion more interesting.

taylormarie923 · June 2014

I voted it depends. I'm all for having your medical history, blood type, donor status, etc easy to obtain. However, I think that having tracking chips implanted in every person is a little too 1984.

Lee81 · June 2014

Brandontricia said:

Also, Where would said chip be placed? Because if it is on an arm or leg I would be afraid of someone kidnapping my kid and chopping their arm off.

#amimorbidforthinkingthatway

Totally had the exact same thought. If you're morbid, so am I.

jennlin · June 2014

Brandontricia said:

If the gps locating chips did exist, I would be for having them voluntarily for those who wanted them and criminals having no choice. Also, Where would said chip be placed? Because if it is on an arm or leg I would be afraid of someone kidnapping my kid and chopping their arm off. #amimorbidforthinkingthatway

i always imagine the back of the neck.

sleepy33 · June 2014

Brandontricia said:

If the gps locating chips did exist, I would be for having them voluntarily for those who wanted them and criminals having no choice. Also, Where would said chip be placed? Because if it is on an arm or leg I would be afraid of someone kidnapping my kid and chopping their arm off. #amimorbidforthinkingthatway

I was sort of thinking they'd have to put it in a semi-random place on each person, otherwise they might be too easy to remove.

Lee81 · June 2014

I looked it up. GPS microchips do not exist at this time because there is no way to keep them powered.

I think that a voluntary program is great. Mandatory chipping is a bit too big brother for my taste. I'm not sure how I feel about involuntary chipping for criminals. Are we talking everyone who has been convicted of a crime anytime, ever? Only felons? Only violent crime? Can they elect to have it removed once their sentence has been satisfied?

sooner1981 · June 2014

Lee81 said:

Brandontricia said:

Also, Where would said chip be placed? Because if it is on an arm or leg I would be afraid of someone kidnapping my kid and chopping their arm off.

#amimorbidforthinkingthatway
Totally had the exact same thought. If you're morbid, so am I.

If your kid is kidnapped by someone who has no qualms about lopping their arm off, the fact they have a chip in their arm is certainly not going to make them any LESS safe...

Weljadraak · June 2014

I still stand on other options, though I did say I'd support voluntary. As far as the criminals go - I don't agree that every criminal should be forced to get chipped. It should at least be on a case by case basis.

On the plus side, ONE STEP FURTHER TO BECOMING A ROBOT.

cassey910 · June 2014

I voted voluntary.

sleepy33 · June 2014

Lee81 said:

I looked it up. GPS microchips do not exist at this time because there is no way to keep them powered. I think that a voluntary program is great. Mandatory chipping is a bit too big brother for my taste. I'm not sure how I feel about involuntary chipping for criminals. Are we talking everyone who has been convicted of a crime anytime, ever? Only felons? Only violent crime? Can they elect to have it removed once their sentence has been satisfied?

Dammit, why you gotta be a #dreamassassin @lee81?

W/R/T the rest, I would probably say only violent felons, and they stay forever. I dunno. I am mad that the whole thing is a cow's opinion now that I know there's no GPS chips. But also, it seems like the crazies are getting kind of worked up about the chip idea then, if you can't really be tracked using chips.

sleepy33 · June 2014

Weljadraak said:

I still stand on other options, though I did say I'd support voluntary. As far as the criminals go - I don't agree that every criminal should be forced to get chipped. It should at least be on a case by case basis.

On the plus side, ONE STEP FURTHER TO BECOMING A ROBOT.

sleepy33 · June 2014

Brandontricia said:

I looked it up. GPS microchips do not exist at this time because there is no way to keep them powered. I think that a voluntary program is great. Mandatory chipping is a bit too big brother for my taste. I'm not sure how I feel about involuntary chipping for criminals. Are we talking everyone who has been convicted of a crime anytime, ever? Only felons? Only violent crime? Can they elect to have it removed once their sentence has been satisfied?
I say violent crimes and perverts.... For lyfe!

Oh, deft for sex offenders. Deft.

Weljadraak · June 2014

sleepy33 said:

Domo arigato.

sleepy33 · June 2014

Snowboarderbritt said:

Weljadraak said:

I still stand on other options, though I did say I'd support voluntary. As far as the criminals go - I don't agree that every criminal should be forced to get chipped. It should at least be on a case by case basis.

On the plus side, ONE STEP FURTHER TO BECOMING A ROBOT.

Cybermen are no joking matter...

I mean, they're no Daleks...

Lee81 · June 2014

sleepy33 said:

Lee81 said:

I looked it up. GPS microchips do not exist at this time because there is no way to keep them powered.

I think that a voluntary program is great. Mandatory chipping is a bit too big brother for my taste. I'm not sure how I feel about involuntary chipping for criminals. Are we talking everyone who has been convicted of a crime anytime, ever? Only felons? Only violent crime? Can they elect to have it removed once their sentence has been satisfied?

Dammit, why you gotta be a #dreamassassin @lee81?

MangoMama82 · June 2014

jeneshields said:
I actually met someone who chipped their child years ago. We went snow skiing about 10 years back. Our instructor had his 7 year old son chipped to track him if he was kidnapped or got lost skiing. The kid was awesome at skiing and went off on his own all day. But I'm undecided...

Wut. People do this?

Weljadraak · June 2014

Robot Jesus has risen and will take over the human race.

sooner1981 · June 2014

After the training I have received re: child crimes, I would GPS LoJack chip my kids in a heartbeat.

kimbo1216 · June 2014

No. Too creepy. It would feel like such a violation. And I wouldn't trust them to use the chip only as they say they are. I think they already take too many privileges "in the name of or safety" as it is.

And yes. It's very creepy. Feels very end of times. But that's really a moot point as we already have the technology to make those of times things happen. So making it happen doesn't really change it.

And on the Antichrist note; no. I don't believe Obama is the Antichrist. If you really study the AC's description in Revelations, he doesn't fit the bill. But again, another moot point as most Christians believe the AC will become known after the rapture. At first, he is supposed to bring peace to the world and no one will realize just what he is.

At least that's what my memory of the book of revelations tells me. I can't say I've done a recent in depth study.

sooner1981 · June 2014

MangoMama82 said:

jeneshields said:
I actually met someone who chipped their child years ago. We went snow skiing about 10 years back. Our instructor had his 7 year old son chipped to track him if he was kidnapped or got lost skiing. The kid was awesome at skiing and went off on his own all day. But I'm undecided...
Wut. People do this?

Not technologically possible now...

Ballstategrad · June 2014

This crosses over into the conspiracy theory topic as well. But I don't doubt that GPS microchips exist. Think about technologies that are developed by the military and defense agencies that surely we know nothing about.

In fact, I think those gitmo detainees we just released are probably gps microchipped.

LC122 · June 2014

sooner1981 said:

MangoMama82 said:

jeneshields said:
I actually met someone who chipped their child years ago. We went snow skiing about 10 years back. Our instructor had his 7 year old son chipped to track him if he was kidnapped or got lost skiing. The kid was awesome at skiing and went off on his own all day. But I'm undecided...
Wut. People do this?
Not technologically possible now...

They have GPS LoJack of sorts, but it isn't an implant. People with medical conditions (and/or kids) can wear them. It's more like a medical bracelet than a microchip.

I knew a lady that had one for her husband. Worked a little like Find My iPhone, but more like Find My Husband. If he was late getting home from his run, she could find him and have an ambulance sent.

ncase2 · June 2014

I'll play - there is no way I would let anyone microchip me or my kids (DH can make his own decisions - he's an adult). Our government is way too corrupt and has insufficient means to keep our personal information safe as it is. Also, a voluntary program is just a short step away from a mandatory program, which even for criminals doesn't feel right. There are too many cases of injustice for me to say across the board that even all criminals, violent or not, deserve this. What about the 18 year old boy who had a consensual relationship with a 16 year old girl who's mom didn't like it and he's now slapped with the pedophile label for the rest of his life? What about the guy who has a felony for assault because his fiancé's ex boyfriend showed up at her house one night with a knife under the influence and he swung back after the guy decked him? Or the dumb 21 year old who was out partying with his friends one night and drunkenly peed on the side of a school who is now a registered sex offender? And yes, all these cases are real - I've personally met and interviewed all of them, none of which are people I'd subject to this. I get where you were trying to go here, but our government and society aren't responsible enough for this kind of thing.

Phalaenopsis · June 2014

What is to prevent pervs from hacking into the system and finding the exact GPS location of your kid and use it to their pervy advantage? Nope octopus to microchipping for me! In addition, I find it an unacceptable invasion of privacy. I dont even like my phone tracking my wherabouts. As an alternative to microchipping, I do think there should be one universal electronic medical record that medical professionals can access (with pt permission). its terribly inconvenient that I have to wait days to get patient records faxed from the hospital across town.

huntjul · June 2014

No tracking chips. There's too much power in knowing where 100% of people are 100% of the time, and I trust no entity to utilize that information only for the common good.

As for the technology, pet microchips can be so small and last so long because they only power on and transmit info when excited by a scanner. Something like a GPS chip that must constantly transmit would either be (1) too big to be a microchip or (2) not last long enough to be worthwhile. However, just because the technology doesn't exist right now doesn't mean it won't before long.

sleepy33 · June 2014

I am a little bit LOL at the idea that anyone really gives a shit where I go, or where most of us go. Spoiler: I go to work, I come home. I go to Target. I go to my mom's house. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The idea that some Big Brother type is going to pay any attention to a regular, law-abiding citizen just doesn't make any sense. To what end?

deedee1017 · June 2014

Guise, kids are not dogs. No microchipping.

In all seriousness, I'm surprised no one mentioned chips for the disabled. One recent case that comes to mind was the autistic boy who ran from school in NYC. He was not able to communicate verbally. In cases like this I guess microchipping could come in handy but it still seems inhumane. Maybe it's just too futuristic. I don't know.

sooner1981 · June 2014

sleepy33 said:
I am a little bit LOL at the idea that anyone really gives a shit where I go, or where most of us go. Spoiler: I go to work, I come home. I go to Target. I go to my mom's house. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The idea that some Big Brother type is going to pay any attention to a regular, law-abiding citizen just doesn't make any sense. To what end?

That is 100 percent my thought. I don't give a single crap if government agencies watch/spy/track my entire life. I would just feel bad for them because it is probably pretty boring to watch someone typing on a computer all day and playing with babies in the evening...

Weljadraak · June 2014

sleepy33 said:

I am a little bit LOL at the idea that anyone really gives a shit where I go, or where most of us go. Spoiler: I go to work, I come home. I go to Target. I go to my mom's house. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The idea that some Big Brother type is going to pay any attention to a regular, law-abiding citizen just doesn't make any sense. To what end?

That is the smallest picture, though. The bigger picture is the power and control behind microchipping a whole society. You ask "to what end?" I ask "where does it go from there?"

sleepy33 · June 2014

Weljadraak said:

sleepy33 said:

I am a little bit LOL at the idea that anyone really gives a shit where I go, or where most of us go. Spoiler: I go to work, I come home. I go to Target. I go to my mom's house. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. The idea that some Big Brother type is going to pay any attention to a regular, law-abiding citizen just doesn't make any sense. To what end?

That is the smallest picture, though. The bigger picture is the power and control behind microchipping a whole society. You ask "to what end?" I ask "where does it go from there?"

Well, give me some examples then! I said I was probably naive about it. Spin out some of your worst case scenarios for me.

Weljadraak · June 2014

Ok, this should be fun. In the distant future...

You'll basically be a walking bar code. Your bar code will be scanned automatically and all evidence of your life recorded. You'll always be "on the grid." Big Brother will be watching, you'll be stripped of your humanity and eventually rats will come close to eating your face.

That or we all become one giant super computer and simultaneously commit suicide because we know it's the right thing to do.

sleepy33 · June 2014

Weljadraak said:

Ok, this should be fun. In the distant future...

You'll basically be a walking bar code. Your bar code will be scanned automatically and all evidence of your life recorded. You'll always be "on the grid." Big Brother will be watching, you'll be stripped of your humanity and eventually rats will come close to eating your face.

That or we all become one giant super computer and simultaneously commit suicide because we know it's the right thing to do.

But like...why? Would that happen? Doesn't Big Brother need good little consumers to make capitalism work? Also, the gub'mint can't even make healthcare.gov happen, do we really think they are capable of this kind of business? And again, record away, weirdos, I don't care if you create a logarithm of my bathroom habits and whatnot.

Kdanson · June 2014

Phalaenopsis said:
What is to prevent pervs from hacking into the system and finding the exact GPS location of your kid and use it to their pervy advantage? Nope octopus to microchipping for me! In addition, I find it an unacceptable invasion of privacy. I dont even like my phone tracking my wherabouts. As an alternative to microchipping, I do think there should be one universal electronic medical record that medical professionals can access (with pt permission). its terribly inconvenient that I have to wait days to get patient records faxed from the hospital across town.

We have this in Canada. It's called netcare and with your name, date of birth, and your provincial health care number any medical professional or doctor's office employee can get the results of every medical test you've ever had in the country. Blood tests and all. With a secure fob that has a code that changes every 30?seconds. Super handy when I worked in a doctor's office.

Weljadraak · June 2014

sleepy33 said:

Weljadraak said:

Ok, this should be fun. In the distant future...

You'll basically be a walking bar code. Your bar code will be scanned automatically and all evidence of your life recorded. You'll always be "on the grid." Big Brother will be watching, you'll be stripped of your humanity and eventually rats will come close to eating your face.

That or we all become one giant super computer and simultaneously commit suicide because we know it's the right thing to do.

But like...why? Would that happen? Doesn't Big Brother need good little consumers to make capitalism work? Also, the gub'mint can't even make healthcare.gov happen, do we really think they are capable of this kind of business? And again, record away, weirdos, I don't care if you create a logarithm of my bathroom habits and whatnot.

You're assuming we live in a capitalist society when this goes down.

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