Sorry to be a little bit of a drama queen here, but comments like that hit home to me. I don't have the support of my family (they think I am "giving up" ) and I am honestly petrified of losing all of my IRL friends that are married if H and I decide to split.
Okay, @TittsMcGee, I think we have similar marriage situations here.
I love my husband and we are a bit rocky right now, but I think we'll pull through. Of course, DH doesn't see any rockiness at all and wants me to provide concrete evidence of that. I'm not sure what he's looking for, but we are in therapy right now working through it, so I appreciate that he is willing to do that with me. Right now he blames a lot of it on my depression, but I think that is a cop-out for him to not work on anything himself or be open to my opinion about things. I get really tired of my depression being blamed for things. I've had major depression diagnosed since college (but manifested at least since high school), so I have had it under control for quite a while with medication and therapy.
I think DH is pretty self-centered and stubborn. His step-mom describes him the same way as a kid and his dad is that way too, so I don't see that changing any. I just wish he'd open his mind to everything I do to contribute to this family - I take care of finances, the majority of the cleaning, all the appointments, enrolling, and scheduling (I think this is more work than even I anticipated), insurance and benefits, organizing, trip planning, child care arranging, half the meal planning and cooking, etc. It really pisses me off that the past few times he's mowed the lawn he said "I've mowed your lawn." Excuse me? MY lawn? What's hard is that when I start to feel overwhelmed, it all falls apart because I'm the one taking care of it all. I don't think he knows how to access our finances or anything like that. He isn't careless with money, he just has no clue what goes on behind the scenes.
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Don't be afraid to leave if you think it is right. I was because I was scared to be alone and because I was so blind. He was very good at manipulating me mentally into thinking I was such a problem to be with that no one would want me anyway. Now, I wish I'd left long long ago. But I'm glad I am done now because Isla is still young and she can still recover from this.
I have no idea what I'm going to do. I work part time and I'm in nursing school. I can't go to my parents or family for various reasons. I'm just going to have to hope like hell child support is going to help support Isla and I. I don't even know what belongings I will get. I'm starting completely over and I'm freaking 31. I am scared.
But it's better than staying with someone who has always treated me with a very low level of respect. I don't know what the exact situation with your marriage but if you think it is right, leave.
I'm sorry, I didn't know. I hope you will be okay.
January OAD Siggy Challenge: Creative Snow Sculptures
Okay, @TittsMcGee, I think we have similar marriage situations here.
I love my husband and we are a bit rocky right now, but I think we'll pull through. Of course, DH doesn't see any rockiness at all and wants me to provide concrete evidence of that. I'm not sure what he's looking for, but we are in therapy right now working through it, so I appreciate that he is willing to do that with me. Right now he blames a lot of it on my depression, but I think that is a cop-out for him to not work on anything himself or be open to my opinion about things. I get really tired of my depression being blamed for things. I've had major depression diagnosed since college (but manifested at least since high school), so I have had it under control for quite a while with medication and therapy.
I think DH is pretty self-centered and stubborn. His step-mom describes him the same way as a kid and his dad is that way too, so I don't see that changing any. I just wish he'd open his mind to everything I do to contribute to this family - I take care of finances, the majority of the cleaning, all the appointments, enrolling, and scheduling (I think this is more work than even I anticipated), insurance and benefits, organizing, trip planning, child care arranging, half the meal planning and cooking, etc. It really pisses me off that the past few times he's mowed the lawn he said "I've mowed your lawn." Excuse me? MY lawn? What's hard is that when I start to feel overwhelmed, it all falls apart because I'm the one taking care of it all. I don't think he knows how to access our finances or anything like that. He isn't careless with money, he just has no clue what goes on behind the scenes.
I am sorry. I know its hard. I really do.
I was so close to packing my stuff and just moving out. I didn't know how I would make it or how we'd arrange with who DS would stay but I was just so fed up..
I was doing everything you wrote and finding myself exhausted and depressed. I wasn't happy at all. I was blaming him for my depression and we'd never spend any time together and he'd blame me for this. I told him that I cant see myself doing anything fun with him because I felt so disconnected from him. He wasn't doing anything to help me around the house. I clean OUR house, I write/pay OUR bills, I cook US dinner, I take OUR kid to his appointments, everything that needed to be done it was me doing it.
He agreed to therapy and marriage counseling and we're still seeing a counselor once a month.
What helped us (this is what the therapist recommended) is making a list of chores and we'd alternate. One night he'd prep dinner and I would do the next night. Same with after dinner clean up and dishes.
We also both made a list of our own complains and grievances and we read it to each other. We both have weak points that need to be worked on and we both agreed on working this out. Marriage takes a lot of effort on both sides.
Don't be afraid to leave if you think it is right. I was because I was scared to be alone and because I was so blind. He was very good at manipulating me mentally into thinking I was such a problem to be with that no one would want me anyway. Now, I wish I'd left long long ago. But I'm glad I am done now because Isla is still young and she can still recover from this.
I have no idea what I'm going to do. I work part time and I'm in nursing school. I can't go to my parents or family for various reasons. I'm just going to have to hope like hell child support is going to help support Isla and I. I don't even know what belongings I will get. I'm starting completely over and I'm freaking 31. I am scared.
But it's better than staying with someone who has always treated me with a very low level of respect. I don't know what the exact situation with your marriage but if you think it is right, leave. People might think I'm giving up, but after years of being the only one who really tries I have a right.
I am actually not afraid of being alone at all.
I am worried about 1) damaging Josie and 2) I am worried about my H, actually. He doesn't have much family, so it makes me sad to imagine him alone.
I am also of course worried about doing everything on my own, but somehow that's probably 3rd place for me.
Hugs to everyone who needs them today.
BFP 1- EDD 2/09/11 Missed MC DX @11 weeks D&C- 7/25/10 BFP 2- EDD 12/22/11 Natural MC @ 5w 2d BFP 3- EDD 1/25/12 DD Josephine born 1/16/12
Don't be afraid to leave if you think it is right. I was because I was scared to be alone and because I was so blind. He was very good at manipulating me mentally into thinking I was such a problem to be with that no one would want me anyway. Now, I wish I'd left long long ago. But I'm glad I am done now because Isla is still young and she can still recover from this.
I have no idea what I'm going to do. I work part time and I'm in nursing school. I can't go to my parents or family for various reasons. I'm just going to have to hope like hell child support is going to help support Isla and I. I don't even know what belongings I will get. I'm starting completely over and I'm freaking 31. I am scared.
But it's better than staying with someone who has always treated me with a very low level of respect. I don't know what the exact situation with your marriage but if you think it is right, leave. People might think I'm giving up, but after years of being the only one who really tries I have a right.
I am actually not afraid of being alone at all.
I am worried about 1) damaging Josie and 2) I am worried about my H, actually. He doesn't have much family, so it makes me sad to imagine him alone.
I am also of course worried about doing everything on my own, but somehow that's probably 3rd place for me.
Hugs to everyone who needs them today.
You don't need to be a martyr for someone else's inability to fix themselves. I know that sounds cold and is easier said than done, but this is my mom's life EXACTLY. I watch her stay in a really sad relationship out of almost a guilt for my dad's mental health issues.
@helendahandbasket I apologize you took such offense to my comment. If you would have noticed my last comment it states that there is OBVIOUSLY more going then we know about. I was trying to support your decision because you are the ONLY one that knows all the details, while I guess being sensitive to my own experience and offering that to the conversation.
I didn't use your screen name because I was mobile and I was typing fast and didn't want to botch it. Again apologies.
I hope I don't offend anyone with my bitterness and such. Anyone should work on their marriage as long as they want. I kept going for a long time because I did love him and I did care about my marriage and my family.
Just don't give all of yourself until there is nothing left to give. Keep some of you to yourself because you'll need it to move on later if it comes to that.
I think this is a great point. I think it is in many women's natures to be givers, often to our own detriment, especially in relationships. If he isn't doing any work on himself, you can give until you collapse, but things will never get better.
@Helenahhandbasket I just wanted to say, don't worry about damaging Josie. I was really worried about that with my DD at first as well, especially since she was a "daddy's girl" her whole life. It was hard on her at first, but kids are SO resilient and she has bounced back so well. Her teacher told me the other day that when other kids talk about what they did with their moms and dads, DD will tell what she did with her mom and aunt. Just like us, they have to adjust to their new normal, but she's done it so much faster than I have. Also: It's so much better for her to have a mom who as a role model refuses to settle for a relationship that makes her unhappy.
@lovelyritametermaid It's totally okay to be bitter right now. You're in a raw place right now, navigating new territory. I'm 9 months out and still have moments of bitterness. Be patient with yourself.
Thanks @jellybean529-- my parents split when I was really young also (I was 4) so I am worried about making similar mistakes.
I keep trying to tell myself that my H and I are completley different people and parents then mine were and will handle things more appropriately, if need be.
BFP 1- EDD 2/09/11 Missed MC DX @11 weeks D&C- 7/25/10 BFP 2- EDD 12/22/11 Natural MC @ 5w 2d BFP 3- EDD 1/25/12 DD Josephine born 1/16/12
Thanks @jellybean529-- my parents split when I was really young also (I was 4) so I am worried about making similar mistakes.
I keep trying to tell myself that my H and I are completley different people and parents then mine were and will handle things more appropriately, if need be.
My parents did NOT split, and did a whole host of damage to me and my view of relationships by staying together in a craptastic marriage.
Like you said, it is 100% individual circumstances that can make or break the impact.
It bums me out that marraige problems is one of our longest threads.
I know it bums me as well but it really helps to vent.
Oh, definitely. I agree and definitely didn't mean it in any other way that it's a sucky state of affairs. I'm sorry for everyone.
I know you didn't mean anything bad by it.
There's so many couples with marriage problems and they have no one to share it with. It helps to have a place to vent that will not judge and will offer advice.
My parents did NOT split, and did a whole host of damage to me and my view of relationships by staying together in a craptastic marriage.
Like you said, it is 100% individual circumstances that can make or break the impact.
There was someone in my BMB who basically loathed her husband but was determined to stick it out because of that study that showed that daughters of divorce did worse in school, were more likely to get pregnant as teens, did drugs, etc. So she was basically sacrificing herself.
But the follow up studies made it clear that it is actually exposure to conflict that can mess up children. It doesn't matter whether the parents stay married or not. It's how much fighting the kid sees and hears. And of course kids whose parents eventually divorce are often exposed to much more fighting up to that point than kids whose parents stay together. Statistically. But staying together and openly hostile actually does them more harm.
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I love the GIFs @hopefulmom81. Conan is my favorite!
Thanks @tittsmcgee-- feeling all sorts of loved right now
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Okay, @TittsMcGee, I think we have similar marriage situations here.
I love my husband and we are a bit rocky right now, but I think we'll pull through. Of course, DH doesn't see any rockiness at all and wants me to provide concrete evidence of that. I'm not sure what he's looking for, but we are in therapy right now working through it, so I appreciate that he is willing to do that with me. Right now he blames a lot of it on my depression, but I think that is a cop-out for him to not work on anything himself or be open to my opinion about things. I get really tired of my depression being blamed for things. I've had major depression diagnosed since college (but manifested at least since high school), so I have had it under control for quite a while with medication and therapy.
I think DH is pretty self-centered and stubborn. His step-mom describes him the same way as a kid and his dad is that way too, so I don't see that changing any. I just wish he'd open his mind to everything I do to contribute to this family - I take care of finances, the majority of the cleaning, all the appointments, enrolling, and scheduling (I think this is more work than even I anticipated), insurance and benefits, organizing, trip planning, child care arranging, half the meal planning and cooking, etc. It really pisses me off that the past few times he's mowed the lawn he said "I've mowed your lawn." Excuse me? MY lawn? What's hard is that when I start to feel overwhelmed, it all falls apart because I'm the one taking care of it all. I don't think he knows how to access our finances or anything like that. He isn't careless with money, he just has no clue what goes on behind the scenes.
January OAD Siggy Challenge: Creative Snow Sculptures
January OAD Siggy Challenge: Creative Snow Sculptures
I am sorry. I know its hard. I really do.
I was so close to packing my stuff and just moving out. I didn't know how I would make it or how we'd arrange with who DS would stay but I was just so fed up..
I was doing everything you wrote and finding myself exhausted and depressed. I wasn't happy at all. I was blaming him for my depression and we'd never spend any time together and he'd blame me for this. I told him that I cant see myself doing anything fun with him because I felt so disconnected from him. He wasn't doing anything to help me around the house. I clean OUR house, I write/pay OUR bills, I cook US dinner, I take OUR kid to his appointments, everything that needed to be done it was me doing it.
He agreed to therapy and marriage counseling and we're still seeing a counselor once a month.
What helped us (this is what the therapist recommended) is making a list of chores and we'd alternate. One night he'd prep dinner and I would do the next night. Same with after dinner clean up and dishes.
We also both made a list of our own complains and grievances and we read it to each other. We both have weak points that need to be worked on and we both agreed on working this out. Marriage takes a lot of effort on both sides.
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DS - 2011
I am actually not afraid of being alone at all.
I am worried about 1) damaging Josie and 2) I am worried about my H, actually. He doesn't have much family, so it makes me sad to imagine him alone.
I am also of course worried about doing everything on my own, but somehow that's probably 3rd place for me.
Hugs to everyone who needs them today.
BFP 1- EDD 2/09/11 Missed MC DX @11 weeks D&C- 7/25/10 BFP 2- EDD 12/22/11 Natural MC @ 5w 2d BFP 3- EDD 1/25/12 DD Josephine born 1/16/12
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DS - 2011
@helendahandbasket I apologize you took such offense to my comment. If you would have noticed my last comment it states that there is OBVIOUSLY more going then we know about. I was trying to support your decision because you are the ONLY one that knows all the details, while I guess being sensitive to my own experience and offering that to the conversation.
I didn't use your screen name because I was mobile and I was typing fast and didn't want to botch it. Again apologies.
My favorite.
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DS - 2011
BFP 1- EDD 2/09/11 Missed MC DX @11 weeks D&C- 7/25/10 BFP 2- EDD 12/22/11 Natural MC @ 5w 2d BFP 3- EDD 1/25/12 DD Josephine born 1/16/12
I know it bums me as well but it really helps to vent.
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Throwing leaves
Throwing leaves
Thanks @jellybean529-- my parents split when I was really young also (I was 4) so I am worried about making similar mistakes.
I keep trying to tell myself that my H and I are completley different people and parents then mine were and will handle things more appropriately, if need be.
BFP 1- EDD 2/09/11 Missed MC DX @11 weeks D&C- 7/25/10 BFP 2- EDD 12/22/11 Natural MC @ 5w 2d BFP 3- EDD 1/25/12 DD Josephine born 1/16/12
I know you didn't mean anything bad by it.
There's so many couples with marriage problems and they have no one to share it with. It helps to have a place to vent that will not judge and will offer advice.
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DS - 2011
But the follow up studies made it clear that it is actually exposure to conflict that can mess up children. It doesn't matter whether the parents stay married or not. It's how much fighting the kid sees and hears. And of course kids whose parents eventually divorce are often exposed to much more fighting up to that point than kids whose parents stay together. Statistically. But staying together and openly hostile actually does them more harm.