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EmJ&B · May 2014

@jgslr said to believe every body/baby is going to respond the same way yours did is . . . and I filled in the gap with "narrow minded" . . . . because it IS narrow minded to think all babies respond the same.

I was not naming you at all, @crunchymama11. Neither did @jgslr, if I read her right.

Defensive, much?

Amjoy25 · May 2014

I'm honored to be part of the crowd that is popular and encompasses @NRyan55‌, @crunchymama11‌. However, if you took what I said as directed specifically at you, then maybe you need to re-examine why you feel that way. I just made a blanket statement and pointed no fingers. #tryingtostealmostdiplomatic from @sleepy33‌. Me thinks you have a guilty conscious?

sleepy33 · May 2014

::gets tagged into thread, watches apprehensively::

Amjoy25 · May 2014

crunchymama11 said:

Amjoy25 said:

I'm honored to be part of the crowd that is popular and encompasses @NRyan55‌, @crunchymama11‌. However, if you took what I said as directed specifically at you, then maybe you need to re-examine why you feel that way. I just made a blanket statement and pointed no fingers. #tryingtostealmostdiplomatic from @sleepy33‌. Me thinks you have a guilty conscious?

it's not the first sly dig you've made towards me.

Then you should go back to the antibiotic thread, because there are no sly digs going on over there.

deedee1017 · May 2014

deedee1017 · May 2014

crunchymama11 said:

btimes3 said:

Now i want to know who the popular ones are, because that seems to be a common complaint. Is there a list? #amionit #thatpoundlooksweird #ohyeahpounds4lyfe

@btimes3 There was already a post on this. @dh13 posted it like 2 weeks ago, I think?

Preceded by 548678946534654 posts about who you want to be your best friend/take on vacation/have future babies with.

psychdoc12 · May 2014

You can only take so much pride in being the popular one on an internet message board :P

psychdoc12 · May 2014

I too read the BLW book cover to cover and decided not to do it. I agree that the way it is depicted in the book is a little idealized and there are many more bumps in the road than its proponents like to admit. Similar to breastfeeding actually. Anyone actually read The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding? Baby crawling to the boob, my ass.

jennlin · May 2014

psychdoc12 said:
I too read the BLW book cover to cover and decided not to do it. I agree that the way it is depicted in the book is a little idealized and there are many more bumps in the road than its proponents like to admit. Similar to breastfeeding actually. Anyone actually read The Womanly Art of Breastfeeding? Baby crawling to the boob, my ass.

Have you ever looked for it on YouTube? There's plenty of videos. Look up "breast crawl".

Every other mammal can find their way to milk as newborns, why can't humans?

carawasa · May 2014

I breastfed my kid for about 3 minutes of her life and she def made her way to my boob as soon as she was placed on my chest.

Jenball717 · May 2014

I remember when our LO's weren't eating food yet and BLW was brought up and @crunchymama11‌ was asked a bazillion questions on it and she answered them all and everyone was all "omgeeeeeee, I'm so doing this! This is the only way anyone should ever feed their baby!"

And I'm over here like "I'm going to feed store bought purées because I'm lazy and they're easy and delicious". But whatever you want to do....

I just don't see why crunchy is getting all this backlash now. Don't like BLW? Don't do BLW. But she was extremely helpful to everyone who had questions about it in any capacity. Answering the same questions over and over. Give some credit where it is due.

#pureesforlyfe

ajjf1026 · May 2014

Can you believe in evolution & creation? I kind of feel like they contradict each other.

jennlin · May 2014

afolske106 said:

Can you believe in evolution & creation? I kind of feel like they contradict each other.

a friend of mine believes that god created and set forth the motion/path for evolution with humans in mind.

Ajoyd · May 2014

NRyan55 said:
I'm picturing the breast crawl like @jennlin's siggy pic

ILY

Amjoy25 · May 2014

baconface said:

To be fair, @jennlin‌, most other (land) mammals also walk the day they are born, or within a few days.

Brain twinzzzzz

jennlin · May 2014

KuhaBaby said:

baconface said:
To be fair, @jennlin‌, most other (land) mammals also walk the day they are born, or within a few days. I think my baby might have opened her mouth and kind of rooted, but crawl? No. Not saying it isn't a thing, just saying it probably shouldn't be used for breastfeeding marketing.

#btwilovebreastfeedingtoo
But I read that the first 10 days or so of a baby's life they have natural instincts to move their legs like they are walking if you hold them up. I they tried it with my son and he did it every time for about 2 weeks and then he stopped. Reminded me of when you hold a dog over water and then start to paddle their feet even though they aren't in the water yet.

Yep. They talk about it (and demonstrate it) in "the science of babies". It's on netflix.

carawasa · May 2014

oh btw my baby just did this...tell her to stop because my house is not baby proofed yet

Ycu2013 · May 2014

Well to all the crawling talk.

#imadeanunderachiever
#youarealltalkingaboutLO'scrawlingtotheboob
#7monthslaterandthekidcantcrawlforshit.

deedee1017 · May 2014

Dd crawled right down to my breasts after she was born. I was still numb and she was on me and knew what to do. Unfortunately, she found two empty canisters.

psychdoc12 · May 2014

I'm not saying the crawling never happens. Of course it happens. We've even been provided with YouTube proof. What I'm saying is that in this particular book, that idealized situation is presented as the norm which is a set-up for frustration and disappointment. I think BLW is the same way. The book makes it sound like you throw some food in front of your kid, let them do what they want and within a few short weeks they'll be gobbling everything down like a freakin' foodie. Just my opinion, anyway.

Weljadraak · May 2014

YouTube - it's science.

juliemay623 · May 2014

NRyan55 said:
I have no clue if this is a UO/HTT/random thought, but I will post it here.

I saw the greatest point for vaccinating that I have seen yet, and from such a fresh perspective. I can't remember verbatim but it was basically this:

How sad is it that anti-vaxxers perceive that a life with a disability (i.e. autism) is worse than a life with a potentially fatal disease that could be prevented by a vaccine. So basically to take a leap they would rather their child be dead than disabled.

ETA: #boomgoesthedynamite

I am very pro-vaccine, but I would assume that the anti-vaxers have the not my kid syndrome i.e. they think if I vaccinate my baby it could get autism but if I don't it is highly unlikely it would get the disease and be perfectly fine.

Ycu2013 · May 2014

carawasa said:
oh btw my baby just did this...tell her to stop because my house is not baby proofed yet

Hurry push her down and say NO!!! with authority.
Kidding.

psychdoc12 · May 2014

dknight413 said:

psychdoc12 said:

I'm not saying the crawling never happens. Of course it happens. We've even been provided with YouTube proof. What I'm saying is that in this particular book, that idealized situation is presented as the norm which is a set-up for frustration and disappointment. I think BLW is the same way. The book makes it sound like you throw some food in front of your kid, let them do what they want and within a few short weeks they'll be gobbling everything down like a freakin' foodie. Just my opinion, anyway.

@psychdoc12 what, specifically, does it say in the book about choking? Because on the BLW website she talks, very nonchalantly, about how her child choked on an apple and needed "the old slappy-back thing"...Uhh I'm pretty sure that's also called the heimlich maneuver. And I'm pretty sure if you're performing the heimlich manuever on your child they are not just happily gagging on their food. For me to be comfortable with BLW, I want guidelines. I want to know exactly how to prepare the food- to what consistency, what shape etc etc. From the research I've done (mainly the website) it just sounds way too "yeah go for it. If your child chokes, whatevs" to me.

The book emphasizes that gagging does not equal choking, and theorizes that choking is less common in BLW babies because they learn early on how to manage food in their mouths and that they need to chew it before pushing it back (unlike those evil purees which teach baby to suck food directly to the back of the throat :P). I don't recall anything in the actual book about "slappy back" and choking is not treated nonchalantly it's just presented as a rare event. They do have a section on avoiding obvious choking hazards like nuts.

Ycu2013 · May 2014

crunchymama11 said:

psychdoc12 said:

I'm not saying the crawling never happens. Of course it happens. We've even been provided with YouTube proof. What I'm saying is that in this particular book, that idealized situation is presented as the norm which is a set-up for frustration and disappointment. I think BLW is the same way. The book makes it sound like you throw some food in front of your kid, let them do what they want and within a few short weeks they'll be gobbling everything down like a freakin' foodie. Just my opinion, anyway.

BLW is that simple. I think some moms can over-think it, make it more complicated or expect it to go faster or whatever. But BLW isn't that complicated.

I started BLW with DD2 on Easter and she still has yet to actually swallow anything. She gets it in her mouth, moves it around, sucks on it, spits it out, squishes it, drops in on the floor, licks her fingers, bangs the plate on the highchair- everything but actually eating it!

Waste of food. There's starving kids in Africa.

Weljadraak · May 2014

kicius56 said:
Waste of food. There's starving kids in Africa.

I hate when people say this. Tons of food gets wasted all the time. I'm not saying that makes it any better that there are starving people, but are the people saying this donating their leftovers to those people? My money's on no, but if you are, hey, good for you and I hope you're donating to a charity with integrity.

LC122 · May 2014

@quartermisses‌ "premastication"

Ycu2013 · May 2014

@crunchymama11‌ and @Weljadraak‌ I was joking!!!!!

deedee1017 · May 2014

Guise, I have an idea!!! How about... You do what works for you and i'll do what works for me. Neither is better or worse, just different. Aaaaannnnnd we can respect each other's choices and all live happily ever after. I have tried blw and i've had moments where it scares the bajeezus out of me and times when dd has impressed me. I was open to it, I prefer purees but I'm glad I tried blw.

Weljadraak · May 2014

Ycu2013 said:
@crunchymama11‌ and @Weljadraak‌ I was joking!!!!!

Oh, whoops! ::waves hand over head::
I get very cereal when anyone talks about Africa.

trackgirlparis · May 2014

deedee1017 said:
Guise, I have an idea!!!

How about... You do what works for you and i'll do what works for me. Neither is better or worse, just different. Aaaaannnnnd we can respect each other's choices and all live happily ever after. I have tried blw and i've had moments where it scares the bajeezus out of me and times when dd has impressed me. I was open to it, I prefer purees but I'm glad I tried blw.

This was my thought process after reading this:
"Yay, deedee the peacemaker...deedee the...peepee...yeah, nope that nickname won't work"

Weljadraak · May 2014

Purées are probably better anyway because chances are you'll be eating them when you're terribly old and wearing diapers. FULL CIRCLE.

Ycu2013 · May 2014

dh13 said:

Ycu2013 said:
@crunchymama11‌ and @Weljadraak‌ I was joking!!!!!
No no no. We do not joke up in here!!!! What were you thinking?!?!?!

Lol apparently I wasn't thinking!!!!

deedee1017 · May 2014

dh13 said:

No matter how you decide to feed your kid, they're going to learn at some point how to eat effectively. My kid won't be only eating purées til college just bc I'm introducing them now. I do a mix of BLW and purées (I guess that's not a REAL thing, apparently) and I'm not gonna stress about her learning "how" to eat at this point.

A thing of baby food costs about the same as a package of ramen noodles. New college food?

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