At what point do we give up hope and start some sort of sleep training?
Dd was a decent sleeper up until about a month ago. She would get up once maybe twice during motn, now we are up every 2-3 hours. At first I blamed it on teething and a cold but I'm starting to wonder of this is our new normal and I need to pick a method to research and try.
@Foofie&thebean there's nothing wrong with doing some research. I would highly suggest reading a few books on different methods, not just doing internet research or word of mouth. The books will give you the full information and won't leave you guessing. My breaking point was what we were doing was no longer working for anyone in our house. DS was exhausted and cranky, and so were we. DS still wakes up once in the MOTN for a feeding, which is a huge improvement from 4-6 times a night. Whatever you choose, be consistent and good luck!
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Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.
The last three days Avery has flipped himself on his belly and past out. It is a dream lol We have had really good sleep, I hope it continues.
Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.
The last three days Avery has flipped himself on his belly and past out. It is a dream lol We have had really good sleep, I hope it continues.
DD has been much better at sleeping since I implemented some structure and changes but she still will be awake for 30 minutes-1.5 hours after her MOTN feeding. She's not fussing or crying but just sort of playing and awake. Anyone else experiencing this?!
@cdhaslag No but my best friend's DD is like that. She says the only thing that even sort of works is absolute minimal stimulation. I know I'm no help but just wanted you to know you arent alone
DD has been much better at sleeping since I implemented some structure and changes but she still will be awake for 30 minutes-1.5 hours after her MOTN feeding. She's not fussing or crying but just sort of playing and awake. Anyone else experiencing this?!
Yes! Everleigh is like this. We have started not turning on any lights and not changing her diaper (she is never super wet at this time). It has seemed to help somewhat but still not perfect.
Ok, this might be a dumb FTM question but what is the point of sleep training? I mean, what is the end goal. Is it that you can just put them in the crib and they fall asleep on their own, or is it STTN? I haven't done any sort of training and wondering if I am setting myself up for some bad habits down the road.
I give LO a bottle each night around 7:30. He pretty much falls asleep in my arms. If he doesn't immediately fall asleep, I put him in the crib and stay with him until he falls asleep about 10 minutes later. He has been waking up during the night recently and seems unable to get himself back to sleep so he cries. Either DH or I will go in and soothe him immediately. It takes, AT LONGEST, 20 minutes to get him to go back to sleep. If it has been longer than 4 hours and he is really crying, I do feed him. He sleeps ok during the day, probably three 45min-60min long naps, with some 10 minute naps here and there. He does fight it sometimes, but it doesn't take long to convince him.
Am I not doing something that I should be doing? He is teething and just hit his 6mo growth spurt, so the night waking isn't unusual. Just not sure if I should start some kind of training or not.
Well .. Sleep training went out the window ! I knew that the last 2 weeks were going to be rough .. I had to stay at my moms every other day for the past 2 weeks and making late visits .. All while taking DD w me ... So I pretty much have to start all over ... She was not happy tonight when I let her work it out on her own.
I haven't even tried cutting back on a few feeding yet ... I am still dreading this .
All of these post are extermly helpful and love these boards! I am more of a lurker, but today I need advice. About to try our sleep training. My baby girl is making me get up literally 10-15x a night to hold her and put her to sleep. It's getting crazy. I know what to do for night time. But when you try it do you do night time and nap time? Or do you just concentrate on night time and eventually transition to nap times? Thank you.
@Sammie6 Start with nighttime and then work on naps once you sort nights out. Nights have been decent for DS for several weeks, but we are still working on naps because they are not the greatest. I think daytime sleep can be a lot harder for some.
@Kate101080 sleep training is not necessary for all families. If you guys are comfortable with the amount of wake ups then don't do anything. If it seems excessive, which it doesn't sound like it IMO, then research it. There are no cry sleep training methods.
We have not done anything with DS. He has had a chronic cold since shortly after starting daycare and the majority of his wake ups are due to his cough. There was a point where he was getting up every hour and crying for his pacifier so I was reading the No Cry Sleep Solution. But he worked it out himself and if we don't replace the paci he sucks his thumb.
So in my opinion sleep training is wonderful for those that need it but not everyone does. I am hoping we don't and after the cold is gone he will go from 3-4 wake ups (which take us a minute literally to soothe him) to 2 or less.
Thank you! No, it's not excessive and DH and I can totally deal. Hope your LO starts feeling better soon.
Hello not a regular poster but longtime lurker! So I am at my whits end with my little one. We are coming up to 10 days of sleep retraining, and its not going good! Attached a pic for your time!!
A few factors:
I am pretty sure she has over the past two weeks started really bad separation anxiety
I
am drying up so I stopped breastfeeding, I have been weaning her for a
while, this week we got rid of the night time breastfeed at 2/4AM and
she is getting formula
Here is what her day looks like
6.20A - Eat 6:45A - Leave for Day care During
Day Care she has 3 SHORT naps through out the day and gets 3 - 5OZ
bottles of formula, she also gets solids twice during her time there. 5:50P - Pick up from day care, sometimes she takes a nap during the 25 minute drive 7:00P - 2OZ of solids while we eat dinner 7:45P - Bath 8/830P - Story and bottle as she winds down for sleep 8:30/9
- places in crib awake, Pat - shh routine as she drifts off...we leave
er slightly awake, she fusses for about 10 minutes then eventually falls
asleep. 11P - Fusses for about 10/15 we let her sooth herself back to sleep 1230/1A - Fusses we go in pat her and it sames she gets even more upset 230/3A - Fusses we go in and offer a bottle, takes the bottle but still upset, cries for about 20 minutes before drifting off 6:00 - Awake and want to play
This
morning we were so frustrated that my husband brought her in the bed.
But she still cries, I think its because of us removing that breastfeed
from her. I even slept in another room so she did not smell me and
she still screamed. I am sure this will end at some point but I just
want to know how long this will go on for. My husband and I both have
to get up pearly for work and this is really wearing on us.
Hello not a regular poster but longtime lurker! So I am at my whits end with my little one. We are coming up to 10 days of sleep retraining, and its not going good! Attached a pic for your time!!
A few factors:
I am pretty sure she has over the past two weeks started really bad separation anxiety
I am drying up so I stopped breastfeeding, I have been weaning her for a while, this week we got rid of the night time breastfeed at 2/4AM and she is getting formula
Here is what her day looks like
6.20A - Eat 6:45A - Leave for Day care During Day Care she has 3 SHORT naps through out the day and gets 3 - 5OZ bottles of formula, she also gets solids twice during her time there. 5:50P - Pick up from day care, sometimes she takes a nap during the 25 minute drive 7:00P - 2OZ of solids while we eat dinner 7:45P - Bath 8/830P - Story and bottle as she winds down for sleep 8:30/9 - places in crib awake, Pat - shh routine as she drifts off...we leave er slightly awake, she fusses for about 10 minutes then eventually falls asleep. 11P - Fusses for about 10/15 we let her sooth herself back to sleep 1230/1A - Fusses we go in pat her and it sames she gets even more upset 230/3A - Fusses we go in and offer a bottle, takes the bottle but still upset, cries for about 20 minutes before drifting off 6:00 - Awake and want to play
This morning we were so frustrated that my husband brought her in the bed. But she still cries, I think its because of us removing that breastfeed from her. I even slept in another room so she did not smell me and she still screamed. I am sure this will end at some point but I just want to know how long this will go on for. My husband and I both have to get up pearly for work and this is really wearing on us.
THANKS
It sounds to me like you have an overtired baby. Have you tried moving up her bedtime? She's going to bed really late to be waking up so early especially if she's taking short naps. An overtired baby is super hard put to sleep and hard to soothe. If I were you, I'd read up on catching your LOs sleepy cues and try getting her down earlier. It really may be as simple as that.
I am pretty much ready to try anything. I think I will up her feedings to 6 oz.
Yeah, only thing I would suggest is try to have her get all of her ounces that she should be getting for the day (not sure how many oz of formula they say to shoot for in a day) during the hours she's awake. Seems like lots of the folks I see on here that are FF are doing more like 6-8 oz bottles at every feeding.
@ssandmann we were putting DD down at 10 for a long time and up by 6 for daycare/work and she was literally fussy 24/7. One day I just followed her cues, put her in the tub at 645 and did her bedtime routine and we never looked back. Now she's down by 730-8 every night and it has helped us all SO much. Hopefully you can find something that works for y'all!
Is your LO still sleeping until 6? We put DD down around 9:30 and the last few days she has been waking up at 5:30, even though our alarm doesn't go off until 6:00. I can tell she is still tired, but she's not hungry either. She just wakes up and starts babbling or rolling around. I'm not sure why she is waking up if she is still tired, but it's crossed my mind that we need to put her down earlier. DH just thinks she'll wake up even earlier, so he's been hesitant to try.
However, he will be on a day trip for work and getting home really late on Thursday, so I think I'll try putting her down at 8:00-8:30 and see how late she sleeps.
LO will only go to sleep if I nurse her. She is also getting up every 2hrs. I use up be able to rock her to sleep and give her the paci but not anymore. She stopped taking the paci. Anyone else going thru the same? Any tips that doesn't involve CIO.
@ssandmann we were putting DD down at 10 for a long time and up by 6 for daycare/work and she was literally fussy 24/7. One day I just followed her cues, put her in the tub at 645 and did her bedtime routine and we never looked back. Now she's down by 730-8 every night and it has helped us all SO much. Hopefully you can find something that works for y'all!
Is your LO still sleeping until 6? We put DD down around 9:30 and the last few days she has been waking up at 5:30, even though our alarm doesn't go off until 6:00. I can tell she is still tired, but she's not hungry either. She just wakes up and starts babbling or rolling around. I'm not sure why she is waking up if she is still tired, but it's crossed my mind that we need to put her down earlier. DH just thinks she'll wake up even earlier, so he's been hesitant to try.
However, he will be on a day trip for work and getting home really late on Thursday, so I think I'll try putting her down at 8:00-8:30 and see how late she sleeps.
So here are some changes I've started for the past two nights:
Increased bottles to 6oz at daycare, cut the third solids feed
BT
routine starts @7PM down in crib at 730, she is obviously sleep and
tired but still screams when we initially put her in there. she
eventually soothes herself after about 10 minutes. We typically stay
with her until she is out.
Started feeding her at her first wake around 1230
So
Monday night was OK . Last night was BAD.....however we put her down
at 730 and she did not wake until 130. BUT we could not get her back
down, We fed her, changed her diaper because she was really wet, she
did same really congested so we suctioned her. Up until 2:15 my hubby
stayed with her until he thought she was down , but at 245 she was back
at it again, she seemed like she was just awake cooing and playing so we
let her be. But then at 315 she started to scream I went in and she
was really warm so I gave her some Tylenol and brought her into our bed,
and she still fussed for a good 15/20 minutes before going down. I had
to wake her at 635 for daycare.
We did some gentle Ferber type sleep training starting a week and a half ago. LO has never been a BAD sleeper but his sleeping habits seemed to be getting worse with time. He responded to the sleep training really well and in less than a week was going down drowsy but awake, sleeping for eight (!) hours and then waking up. He was getting up to eat twice in twelve hours at night and taking two naps in his crib for the first time ever. Yesterday he took a 30min and a 45min nap in his crib and all was well until today.
BOOM. Back to square one. He woke up multiple times last night and this morning and is now refusing to nap in his crib. We are on our second nap attempt and he's in there just fussing and yelling at me.
He's not sick, nothing else has changed, I don't get it. It's almost like he realized that we had tricked him into being a great little sleeper and he's not having it!
Anyone else experience a total regression like this so soon? How did it turn out? Tips?
@MtnChickaD my DD did something similar but only with naps... Two weekends ago and the entire week following she was taking at least 2 1-hour naps in her crib no problem (even when I put her down awake). This weekend she said screw that jazz and napped MAYBE a total of 1 hour each day and never in her crib. She was still doing ok at night so I sort of let it slide a little and after a few days she worked things out herself and got back to decent napping in the crib! Maybe it's just a phase....
Good to know! He finally passed out for an hour after almost 20 minutes of yelling and fussing (with several checks). He never really cried, just let me know he was not happy with me.
Ah, babies...slippery little buggers.
We will just keep on keeping on and hope he gets back with the program.
ok, I need some advice from experienced sleep trainers. We are starting Ferber next week. It is time. For awhile I thought they were getting better on their own and so we put it off, but now we're back to up every 60-90 minutes again. Shoot me in the head. Part of the problem is the pacis. They wake up without it and cry until it is replaced and then go back to sleep. They are perfectly capable of replacing their own pacis at this point, but I think they can't find them and also we are still swaddling, so they usually only have 1 arm free. Which is the other problem.
We use the Halo sleep sacks and they are just too big for them now. They are too long - their legs are so cramped in there and they flail their legs around wildly. We've been leaving one arm out for about a month now which they will tolerate. They just don't seem comfortable in them anymore. I was hoping to transition completely out of the swaddles but it is a disaster every time I try. I've tried cold turkey, I've tried leaving both arms out, I've tried unzipping the bottom so their legs have more room, but they were little messes all night each time. They really don't seem to like them, they fuss when we put them in the swaddles, but they can't seem to sleep without them now.
The pedi told us to drop both the paci and the swaddle cold turkey when we sleep train but it seems a little harsh. I guess the pacis need to go. I wish there was a way I could get them to find and replace it by themselves.
What do you think - drop all the sleep crutches at once or should I get them sleeping better in the swaddles and then try to transition out of them slowly?
@ballygirl - I agree with you and @wedding06 that taking both away at once seems to harsh. We tried sleep training but DD got sick and it went out the window.
Have you tried swaddling with an A&A type blanket so you can leave their feet out? We do this (we still room share) and it worked for us. We are slowly getting over crying when the paci falls out but I feel your pain!
OK - tonight is the night. We are starting Ferber. I;'ve been ready for a couple weeks but DH wasn't ready yet and I really need his support for it. DH is finally on board with it. He got so frustrated last night with Lizzy, I came in and he was just sitting on the nursery floor with his head in his hands and Lizzy was screaming in the crib. (This is what I feel like most nights) So, he said he's ready, we're starting tonight. We'll keep the swaddles for now, leaving one arm out like we have been doing but I am not replacing any pacis tonight. We'll also keep the cribs in separate rooms for now, as they have been for the past month or so. DH and I will sleep in the spare bedroom until they are sleeping better. Then, hopefully we can move Haley's crib back into the nursery with Lizzy (its currently in our bedroom), and then try gradually getting rid of the swaddle somehow. I'm afraid that with each step (moving the crib and then the swaddle) we'll have to go through the crying all over again but it just seems like too much to do it all at once.
@ballygirl, I have full faith in you! I think you are super mom for having 2 and somewhat keeping your shit together! With Christian it went MUCH better than I ever expected (also did Ferber). I find with him, what happens during the day completely shows how the night is going to go. I always say, I start the night time first thing when he wakes up in the morning. His naps are imperative. He takes 3 naps. Morning, early afternoon, and late afternoon. No shorter than 1 hr a piece. For us, the most crucial nap is his last nap of the day. We've been having 1 MOTN wake up consistently for a few weeks, which is a huge improvement from 3-4. My advice is to stay home as much as possible while you are teaching them their new routine and be consistent. Accept that you will have a few hiccups along the way and that there will be some bad times, but in the end, you will have much happier babies and parents . Good luck!
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Thanks @wedding06, @edaire, and @cdhaslag! I'm already getting nervous about tonight but I think it will be for the best. I know we will all be much happier if we could all just sleep a little better. I'm aiming for 1 waking/ feeding per night for now and then I'll try to phase that last bottle out later.
I've got a box of earplugs, a sound machine and my husband borrowed some noise cancelling headphones in case I start getting stressed out with all the crying. We've got a video monitor in one room that I can use without the sound and the other room has an audio monitor that I can turn off the sound and just use the lights. Also, if I need to, I am going to take tomorrow off from work or at least go in late. The nanny will be there to look after the girls. I think I will probably need a package of oreos too, right? And maybe some wine? Do oreos go with wine?
Well, round one went much better than expected. We put both girls down at the same time without pacis. They both fell asleep after about 6 minutes of crying. We checked in on them after the first 2 minutes and they were asleep a few minutes after that! It was surprisingly easy. In fact, that is less crying than we usually get if I rock or carry them to sleep! They usually cry anywhere from 10-30 minutes in my arms before going down. This was way less stressful than that. I was totally expecting one of their multi-hour double screamfests. So, we're off to an auspicious start. We'll see how the MOTN wakings go...
Well, night 1 of Ferber was not bad at all. We decided on a check and console schedule of 2 minutes, 5 minutes, 8 minutes, and 10 minutes and we would cap it at 10 after that if we needed more checks. We were going cold turkey on the pacifiers, so I was expecting some major double meltdowns but it went really easily. They had been on a staggered schedule all day and I wanted to get them both on the same sleep schedule, so we kept them up just a bit later than usual to make sure they were both tired. They were tired and very cranky when we put them down.
We put them down without the pacis and they cried pretty hard. We braced ourselves. We checked and consoled at 2 minutes and again 5 minutes later and they were already asleep! Both of them! We were pretty shocked because I am used to about 30-45 minutes of crying normally when I am rocking them or carrying them. They both woke up about 2 1/2 hours later and we started again. This time there was a total of 13 minutes of crying for each of them and then they fell asleep. Haley woke up for a bottle around 1 am and I fed her. Lizzy woke but was not crying. I heard her sort of babbling and she was a little whiney for about 1 minute and then she put her self back to sleep and slept for 5 hours!!!!! She never even had her MOTN bottle. Haley woke up once more around 3 and put herself back to sleep in about 1 minute and slept until 6:30, I never even had to go in to console her, it was so fast!
Even though it sucked to hear them crying for 13 minutes the second time, it was really not nearly as stressful as I expected. It is much more stressful for me to be in the same room, holding a screaming baby, unable to console her, than to be in the other room with ear plugs. The hardest part of the night, seriously, was sleeping in the same bed as DH again. We've been split up since the babies are in separate rooms and I've gotten used to having the whole bed. I was so irritated with him all night snoring and moving around.
We'll see how tonight goes, but I think overall we had less total crying last night than we do on a regular night and I feel pretty good today! Its strange how they pretty much woke up and fell back asleep at the same times last night too, even though they were in different rooms. I'm curious to see if that happens again or if it was a fluke.
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Dd was a decent sleeper up until about a month ago. She would get up once maybe twice during motn, now we are up every 2-3 hours. At first I blamed it on teething and a cold but I'm starting to wonder of this is our new normal and I need to pick a method to research and try.
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I haven't even tried cutting back on a few feeding yet ... I am still dreading this .
Thank you.
A few factors:
Here is what her day looks like
6.20A - Eat
6:45A - Leave for Day care
During Day Care she has 3 SHORT naps through out the day and gets 3 - 5OZ bottles of formula, she also gets solids twice during her time there.
5:50P - Pick up from day care, sometimes she takes a nap during the 25 minute drive
7:00P - 2OZ of solids while we eat dinner
7:45P - Bath
8/830P - Story and bottle as she winds down for sleep
8:30/9 - places in crib awake, Pat - shh routine as she drifts off...we leave er slightly awake, she fusses for about 10 minutes then eventually falls asleep.
11P - Fusses for about 10/15 we let her sooth herself back to sleep
1230/1A - Fusses we go in pat her and it sames she gets even more upset
230/3A - Fusses we go in and offer a bottle, takes the bottle but still upset, cries for about 20 minutes before drifting off
6:00 - Awake and want to play
This morning we were so frustrated that my husband brought her in the bed. But she still cries, I think its because of us removing that breastfeed from her. I even slept in another room
so she did not smell me and she still screamed. I am sure this will end at some point but I just want to know how long this will go on for. My husband and I both have to get up pearly for work and this is really wearing on us.
THANKS
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Anyone else going thru the same? Any tips that doesn't involve CIO.
So here are some changes I've started for the past two nights:
So Monday night was OK . Last night was BAD.....however we put her down at 730 and she did not wake until 130. BUT we could not get her back down,
We fed her, changed her diaper because she was really wet, she did same really congested so we suctioned her. Up until 2:15 my hubby stayed with her until he thought she was down , but at 245 she was back at it again, she seemed like she was just awake cooing and playing so we let her be. But then at 315 she started to scream I went in and she was really warm so I gave her some Tylenol and brought her into our bed, and she still fussed for a good 15/20 minutes before going down. I had to wake her at 635 for daycare.
Maybe she's teething, I don't know :-(
BOOM. Back to square one. He woke up multiple times last night and this morning and is now refusing to nap in his crib. We are on our second nap attempt and he's in there just fussing and yelling at me.
He's not sick, nothing else has changed, I don't get it. It's almost like he realized that we had tricked him into being a great little sleeper and he's not having it!
Anyone else experience a total regression like this so soon? How did it turn out? Tips?
Ah, babies...slippery little buggers.
We will just keep on keeping on and hope he gets back with the program.
ok, I need some advice from experienced sleep trainers. We are starting Ferber next week. It is time. For awhile I thought they were getting better on their own and so we put it off, but now we're back to up every 60-90 minutes again. Shoot me in the head. Part of the problem is the pacis. They wake up without it and cry until it is replaced and then go back to sleep. They are perfectly capable of replacing their own pacis at this point, but I think they can't find them and also we are still swaddling, so they usually only have 1 arm free. Which is the other problem.
We use the Halo sleep sacks and they are just too big for them now. They are too long - their legs are so cramped in there and they flail their legs around wildly. We've been leaving one arm out for about a month now which they will tolerate. They just don't seem comfortable in them anymore. I was hoping to transition completely out of the swaddles but it is a disaster every time I try. I've tried cold turkey, I've tried leaving both arms out, I've tried unzipping the bottom so their legs have more room, but they were little messes all night each time. They really don't seem to like them, they fuss when we put them in the swaddles, but they can't seem to sleep without them now. The pedi told us to drop both the paci and the swaddle cold turkey when we sleep train but it seems a little harsh. I guess the pacis need to go. I wish there was a way I could get them to find and replace it by themselves.
What do you think - drop all the sleep crutches at once or should I get them sleeping better in the swaddles and then try to transition out of them slowly?
OK - tonight is the night. We are starting Ferber. I;'ve been ready for a couple weeks but DH wasn't ready yet and I really need his support for it. DH is finally on board with it. He got so frustrated last night with Lizzy, I came in and he was just sitting on the nursery floor with his head in his hands and Lizzy was screaming in the crib. (This is what I feel like most nights) So, he said he's ready, we're starting tonight. We'll keep the swaddles for now, leaving one arm out like we have been doing but I am not replacing any pacis tonight. We'll also keep the cribs in separate rooms for now, as they have been for the past month or so. DH and I will sleep in the spare bedroom until they are sleeping better. Then, hopefully we can move Haley's crib back into the nursery with Lizzy (its currently in our bedroom), and then try gradually getting rid of the swaddle somehow. I'm afraid that with each step (moving the crib and then the swaddle) we'll have to go through the crying all over again but it just seems like too much to do it all at once.
Wish me luck guise, I'm scrrrd.
Thanks @wedding06, @edaire, and @cdhaslag! I'm already getting nervous about tonight but I think it will be for the best. I know we will all be much happier if we could all just sleep a little better. I'm aiming for 1 waking/ feeding per night for now and then I'll try to phase that last bottle out later.
I've got a box of earplugs, a sound machine and my husband borrowed some noise cancelling headphones in case I start getting stressed out with all the crying. We've got a video monitor in one room that I can use without the sound and the other room has an audio monitor that I can turn off the sound and just use the lights. Also, if I need to, I am going to take tomorrow off from work or at least go in late. The nanny will be there to look after the girls. I think I will probably need a package of oreos too, right? And maybe some wine? Do oreos go with wine?