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kimbo1216

@wedding06‌, are you nursing? If so, that is probably your answer. You smell like milk. That stimulates him. YH Nd your MIL do not smell like milk. So they don't mean feeding for him.

If you aren't nursing, it might just be a "ah, I see my mom, I want her, she is so comforting" thing. If I were you, I would tell YH it's all him every night. If everyone sleeps better that way, I say it's only fair.

kimbo1216

@wedding06‌, maybe you could have YH take the checks until 5am, then it's your turn?

Kittymom6

This is a really stupid question, but how do you put a baby down drowsy but awake?

We are trying, and seemingly failing at, the Sleep Lady Shuffle. The first night we put DD down drowsy but awake, she basically did everything she possibly could to stay awake for 3+ hours. She fussed for about 10 mins, then she blew raspberries, kicked the crib, chewed her paci, played with her toes, faked coughed, rubbed her eyes, and whatever else she could to keep herself awake while I sat there for 3 hours. I finally picked her up and rocked her to sleep.

She did the same thing on night 2 for about 90 mins and night 3 for 2 hours. Both nights, I finally picked her up, rocked her for about 30 secs, and then put her down and held her hands until she fell asleep. I don't want to create a sleep crutch, but I can't sit in a dark room next to her crib for hours!

Does she need to be more drowsy? The book says 7 or 8 on a scale of 10. I feel like even then, she can just keep herself awake.

Eta: I swear there were paragraphs when I posted this.

scamberlous3000

So, it's quite obvi that LO is teething something fierce and is clearly in pain (Motrin rules BTW). All progress we had seemingly made is slowly going out the window and plans to start trying to night wean are now a no go. So, my questions are, it could takeout months for this tooth or teeth to cut through, right? So...am I not supposed to try and not sleep train this whole time, or what?

Also, has anyone made progress in some areas just to have something that you thought was handled resurface?

As in, it is now only taking 30 mins to get LO down and he'll sleep for 2 hrs vs taking 3 hrs to get him down, but then he'll wake up and want to be nursed down, walked, or rocked back to sleep several times when we don't have to do that initially. Is this probably due to teething too?

tencheer

We also cannot put DS down drowsy but awake. He has to be knocked out cold from nursing or he cries. We cannot go in and comfort him without him getting more hysterical. I am not interested in cry it out an don't mind nursing to sleep but worry about nights I am not there. I also wonder if he would sleep longer stretches if we could figure this out. Ideas?

scamberlous3000

tencheer said:

We also cannot put DS down drowsy but awake. He has to be knocked out cold from nursing or he cries. We cannot go in and comfort him without him getting more hysterical. I am not interested in cry it out an don't mind nursing to sleep but worry about nights I am not there. I also wonder if he would sleep longer stretches if we could figure this out. Ideas?

This is us too so I have no help to offer other than I was worried about how LO would do when I wasn't there too bc of these same reasons. I had a friend watch him the other night and he was perfectly fine! Ate his bottle (he's BF otherwise) and went right to sleep for her and stayed asleep for two hours! I was shocked, happy, and frustrated all at the same time.

Kittymom6

Katiemm623 said:

missgpsu said:

DD has slept in her crib no problems since she was 6 weeks old.  For the last week, she refuses the crib and screams bloody murder as soon as you lay her down.  We have tried everything.  As soon as you take her out and put her in the RNP, she goes right to sleep.  She has never slept in the RNP at night unless she was sick or had a bad reflux night.  She just turned 6 months yesterday.  Is this just a growth spurt/phase?  Now she is sick so this is a nonissue because I keep her in my room to listen to her breath, but when she is better she is going back in the crib.  Anyone else's baby go from crib pro to crib terror around 6 months?

Have her ears been checked? ! When DS has had ear infections he freaks out and screams when layed flat. Hope she feels better soon!!


I was going to ask about ears, too.

ncase2

Question for the group - and @Kimbo1216 - We had some real success with the Ferber-ish method for the first few days, but now he has started to regress, and is up every 4 hours like clockwork, no matter what. I can't tell if he really needs the MOTN feeding, because he didn't the first few days, but I don't know if that was a fluke. We are putting down drowsy but awake, he has a very solid bedtime routine, we use white noise, he's in his own crib, etc.

The last two nights I've let him fuss/cry for 5 mins, then go in and pat and shush, then fuss/cry for another 5, etc. - but it lasted 45 min each time before I gave up and fed him. I keep going back and forth thinking "what if he really needed to eat" vs. "I probably am conditioning him to now cry longer in an attempt to get what he wants". Any suggestions? 

ETA: I'm not opposed to feeding him in the MOTN, but I don't want to encourage it if he doesn't really need to. He does eat when I do nurse him - none of the "snacking" or comfort nursing business, but I know he can go longer because he's done it before. 

sleepy33

ncase2 said:

Question for the group - and @Kimbo1216 - We had some real success with the Ferber-ish method for the first few days, but now he has started to regress, and is up every 4 hours like clockwork, no matter what. I can't tell if he really needs the MOTN feeding, because he didn't the first few days, but I don't know if that was a fluke. We are putting down drowsy but awake, he has a very solid bedtime routine, we use white noise, he's in his own crib, etc.

The last two nights I've let him fuss/cry for 5 mins, then go in and pat and shush, then fuss/cry for another 5, etc. - but it lasted 45 min each time before I gave up and fed him. I keep going back and forth thinking "what if he really needed to eat" vs. "I probably am conditioning him to now cry longer in an attempt to get what he wants". Any suggestions? 

ETA: I'm not opposed to feeding him in the MOTN, but I don't want to encourage it if he doesn't really need to. He does eat when I do nurse him - none of the "snacking" or comfort nursing business, but I know he can go longer because he's done it before. 

4 hours is a pretty long time. If he's eating, he's probably hungry. Maybe it's a growth spurt.

ncase2

@sleepy33 - that is my fear! The last thing I want to do is deny him food when he's hungry. I just don't want to make another bad habit that we'll have to break later.

sleepy33

Eh, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Mine will sleep 12 hours in a row for a week straight, then the following week he'll take an hour and a half to rock to sleep and be up twice during the night. Babies be crazy sometimes. I just chalk it up to either growth spurt, teething, not feeling well, whatever. They are so changeable at this age.

kimbo1216

@ncase2‌, idk. When you go in at 5 min, is he fussing/cooing but not really too upset? Or is he crying? If he's just talking/cooing or fussing a little, I'd leave him be and see if he goes back to sleep.

We have not done full sleep training with DD2. If she wakes, I generally feed her. But that's because it's usually not til like 4. If she were waking consistently before then, I'd listen for the cry. Is it just a little fussy? Is it her tired cry? DD's tired cry is eyes closed big open mouth "aaah". If it's a softer "eeeh" I know she's hungry. So if it's not a hungry cry, I'll give her ten minutes to work it out. If necessary, we will do a pat & shush check. The most checks we've done is two.

Anyway. Even if a gs, he should still be sleeping at night and getting those extra calories in the day. So if you think he's waking out of hunger, you might try encouraging him to eat a little more during the day. Maybe even do a dream feed before you go to bed.

The truth is there is not right or wrong answer. Only what is right for you. If you don't mind feeding him, then keep doing it. If it becomes a problem, go back to your st tools. Have you read Ferber or another sleep book? If not, I highly recommend it as it will really help you understand your baby's sleep better. At least a it will IMO.

Flutterby00

This week we ditched the Magic Sleepsuit.  After swaddling for so long, I felt we had to put him in something to keep him from rolling - so we've been using it for maybe 2 months or so.  I didn't really think about it until recently, but since using the sleepsuit, he has been waking up more.  Not just waking, but being irritated, and not going back down easily.  I chalked it up to the 4 month wakeful period.  We've been trying all sorts of stuff - noisemakers, etc to see if it will get him to sleep better, but nothing really made a difference. 

This week I decided to try without the Magic Sleepsuit.  I put him in him PJ's and then a fleece sleep blanket, and put him to bed.  He has still been waking up, but has been extremely easy to get to go back to sleep.  The amount of times he has woken up has been less, finally last night he only woke up once at midnight.  He woke up at 5am this morning - I found him on his belly making tractor noises, just having a blast entertaining himself.  He is so much happier.  Yes, he can roll around, but he is so strong that I am pretty comfortable with his ability to turn his head.  

Just thought I would share in case anyone else is going through something similar.  

psychdoc12

I'm a Ferber convert. In one week, my daughter went from waking 5-6 times a night to STTN after crying for about 10 minutes. Tonight she only cried for 6 minutes. She's definitely learning to self-soothe. 

ETA: I forgot to mention that the difference in her demeanor during the day is amazing. She is so much more smiley and giggly. Even daycare has noticed. 

ETA 2: I just put her down awake for the night and she rolled on her side, played with her hands for a couple minutes and fell asleep.

kimbo1216

psychdoc12 said:

I'm a Ferber convert. In one week, my daughter went from waking 5-6 times a night to STTN after crying for about 10 minutes. Tonight she only cried for 6 minutes. She's definitely learning to self-soothe. 

ETA: I forgot to mention that the difference in her demeanor during the day is amazing. She is so much more smiley and giggly. Even daycare has noticed. 

That's great!!!

AggieAsh23

Ok I'm still stuck on naps!!! LO won't nap in a carrier. She loves being worn, but wants to stay awake and look at all the things. So that's out. So we are back to trying to get her down in the crib and out of our arms.

We started Ferber today. For every nap she cried the WHOLE time. Once the time limit is up, we take her out, get fresh air, play, etc. She is so tired that if I kiss her or touch her head, her eyes roll in the back of her head, but if we try to lay her down she's wide awake crying. So now she hasn't napped at all and we do it all over again tomorrow. PLEASE tell me... It gets better right? I mean if we are consistent, she has to eventually sleep??? This has been tough. I had to go take a shower and cry while my DH handled nap #2.

psychdoc12

Our naps started that way and are slowly improving. She now cries anywhere from 5-15 minutes.

AggieAsh23

psychdoc12 said:

Our naps started that way and are slowly improving. She now cries anywhere from 5-15 minutes.

@psychdoc12‌ how long have you guys been at it?

psychdoc12

AggieAsh23 said:

Our naps started that way and are slowly improving. She now cries anywhere from 5-15 minutes.

@psychdoc12‌ how long have you guys been at it?

Technically 7 days but she's at DC during the week and apparently falls asleep no problem for them. So this is really just our third day trying to train her to take naps in her crib alone (before that it was the rock and play with lots of rocking and white noise).

psychdoc12

ElleStaxx said:

I'm a Ferber convert. In one week, my daughter went from waking 5-6 times a night to STTN after crying for about 10 minutes. Tonight she only cried for 6 minutes. She's definitely learning to self-soothe. 

ETA: I forgot to mention that the difference in her demeanor during the day is amazing. She is so much more smiley and giggly. Even daycare has noticed. 

ETA 2: I just put her down awake for the night and she rolled on her side, played with her hands for a couple minutes and fell asleep.

That was almost identical to my ferber experience!! Now DS goes in his crib every night wide awake, babbles and plays with his hands for up to 10 min max., then rolls right over to his side and dozes off!! And his daytime demeanor is sooooo different! He is a pleasure!

How about naps? Just curious as that's something we're still working on.

AggieAsh23

ElleStaxx said:

psychdoc12 said:

I'm a Ferber convert. In one week, my daughter went from waking 5-6 times a night to STTN after crying for about 10 minutes. Tonight she only cried for 6 minutes. She's definitely learning to self-soothe. 

ETA: I forgot to mention that the difference in her demeanor during the day is amazing. She is so much more smiley and giggly. Even daycare has noticed. 

ETA 2: I just put her down awake for the night and she rolled on her side, played with her hands for a couple minutes and fell asleep.

That was almost identical to my ferber experience!! Now DS goes in his crib every night wide awake, babbles and plays with his hands for up to 10 min max., then rolls right over to his side and dozes off!! And his daytime demeanor is sooooo different! He is a pleasure!

Eta: naps were harder and took much longer. He is finally going to sleep on his own for nap time but it took about 2.5 weeks of sleep training. And I have his Daycare providers on the same schedule so that really helps!!

Ahhhhh!!! 2.5 weeks??? Oh my goodness... That's a lot of crying for both parties. I seriously hope it doesn't take us that long. I don't think I'll be strong enough. I may need to call for backup.

edaire

Just wanted to share our experience so far. We started ST 24 hrs ago. After reading what feels like 47 books & 200 articles/blogs, I decided that the Ferber(ish) method was right for us. I was prepared for the absolute worst, but surprisingly, he is doing so great with it. Background, DS had terrible colic, reflux, GI problems, and a milk protein intolerance at birth. He has always HATED to sleep. I've been researching for about a month (he turned 6 mo old on the 2nd) and I waited until we were done with an ear infection and the 6 mo GS. Through it all he developed terrible sleep habits. We are only 24 hrs in, but I'm feeling really optimistic. So far, I've only had to do 5 minute checks. We never made it to the 10 minute before he would fall back asleep. I'm doing 1 MOTN feeding at 2 am while we are transitioning. He eats like a bird during the day and is used to getting the majority of his calories at night. Crossing my fingers that things continue to go well! Good luck ladies!

crarnberg

Last night we were up every 2 hours like clockwork. I am beyond exhausted. 

I am trying to convince myself that we should start the cry it out method. I am such a baby though and just thinking about it makes me cry. I need to get it together. Unfortunately my husband works nights so I would be on my own with no support.

kimbo1216

ElleStaxx said:

crarnberg said:

Last night we were up every 2 hours like clockwork. I am beyond exhausted. 

I am trying to convince myself that we should start the cry it out method. I am such a baby though and just thinking about it makes me cry. I need to get it together. Unfortunately my husband works nights so I would be on my own with no support.

Remember--Just because you try it one night doesn't mean you have to complete it if it makes you uncomfortable! It's not like once the sleep training has started you are 'locked in' to have your baby cry all night. You can go in and stop it at anytime. And your baby might surprise you and not cry much at all. My DH was home with me when we did sleep training but sleeps likes log so I was basically on my own anyway. Luckily, LO responded extremely well to ferber so it really was a good experience. You can always try and if you find it's not for you then simply stop immediately. However, if you start it and find it is something that is comfortable for you- consistency is key!!
Also, research some of the other methods that don't have a CIO aspect if that would help. Good luck!!

I have to say though that I would caution against backing out once you start. I can guarantee you will be uncomfortable if you do it. But letting them cry only to stop makes it all for nothing. If you commit to it and start to see results, it will all be worth it.

Please read a book though. Don't do it based of what you've read online. Sure some may have success this way. But I firmly believe going in prepared and not willy nilly will lead to much more success.

psychdoc12

The first time I tried CIO I just couldn't do it. Gave up after like 2 minutes. Went back to it a week (?) later and actually did it.

psychdoc12

ElleStaxx said:

The first time I tried CIO I just couldn't do it. Gave up after like 2 minutes. Went back to it a week (?) later and actually did it.

Wow good for you!! What made you try it again if you don't mind me asking?

Exhaustion and realizing I would never be able to do the NCSS. DH and I both work FT and I was getting up at least 5 times a night. Plus I have a coworker whose opinion I respect immensely who was strongly encouraging me to give Ferber a try and raving about how miraculous it had been for her LO who is three weeks younger than mine.

stephl3055

For those that eventually ditched the swaddle of the MMSS, how did you get your LOs to focus on sleeping and not playing/rolling around? 

LO is still swaddled, but it is becoming very apparent that we are on borrowed time.  She is in a PnP next to our bed.  She will sleep from about 9:30-1:00 before she breaks out of the swaddle.  Then she will play with the netting/material on the side of the PnP.  I don't know how long she would do this, but in the past she's done it for at least 15 minutes before we get up and re-swaddle her.  She never cries when she wakes up like this, and sometimes she'll just start babbling.  But I know she is tired because she stars rubbing her eyes.  We usually re-swaddle because I can't sleep if she's babbling or messing with the PnP. 

I think this weekend we are going to take away the swaddle completely and do a sleep sack.  I don't think the MMSS will help us at this point and I really want to move her to her own room soon.  She falls asleep fairly easily, again with no crying, but that is also because she is swaddled.  I'm guessing she is going to roll onto her stomach as soon as we put her down, so I'm not sure how long it will take her to fall asleep. 

Anyway, just looking for some tips if anyone has a similar situation.

calibr8te

Since mine has learned to self soothe and I have finally figured out how to put him down drowsy but awake, I have noticed that at his 4:30 wake up he always takes about 20 minutes to fall back asleep. I feed him and kiss him goodnight and put him back down. Then I go back to bed and watch him on the monitor. He plays with his hands, looks around, talks a bit, rubs his eyes and eventually drifts off.   I have not swaddled him since January, never used the MMSS, but he has been in sleep sacks all year. I don't think it has anything to do with what they are in, but just their way of getting themselves back to sleep. 

stephl3055

wedding06 said:

steph 13055 said:

For those that eventually ditched the swaddle of the MMSS, how did you get your LOs to focus on sleeping and not playing/rolling around? 

LO is still swaddled, but it is becoming very apparent that we are on borrowed time.  She is in a PnP next to our bed.  She will sleep from about 9:30-1:00 before she breaks out of the swaddle.  Then she will play with the netting/material on the side of the PnP.  I don't know how long she would do this, but in the past she's done it for at least 15 minutes before we get up and re-swaddle her.  She never cries when she wakes up like this, and sometimes she'll just start babbling.  But I know she is tired because she stars rubbing her eyes.  We usually re-swaddle because I can't sleep if she's babbling or messing with the PnP. 

I think this weekend we are going to take away the swaddle completely and do a sleep sack.  I don't think the MMSS will help us at this point and I really want to move her to her own room soon.  She falls asleep fairly easily, again with no crying, but that is also because she is swaddled.  I'm guessing she is going to roll onto her stomach as soon as we put her down, so I'm not sure how long it will take her to fall asleep. 

Anyway, just looking for some tips if anyone has a similar situation.

DS is in the MMSS but he does this before going back to sleep after his early morning feeding. Like PP said I think it is less about the swaddle and more about age. 

Does your DD have a mobile or projector? DS has the Baby Einstein Sea Dreams Soother so if he is in his crib playing and we put that on he will be mesmerized by it and eventually close his eyes and go back to sleep. Then at least he isn't keeping us up with his kicking and yelling! Sometimes he goes back to sleep in the living room in his RNP and we have a turtle that sings and projects colors on the ceiling. That usually helps him fall asleep as well. 

She does have a mobile that we have attached to a tripod since it won't attach to her PnP.  I may try that this weekend.  She's used it before when she was in the RnP and seems to like it.  Thanks

kimbo1216

psychdoc12 said:

ElleStaxx said:

psychdoc12 said:

The first time I tried CIO I just couldn't do it. Gave up after like 2 minutes. Went back to it a week (?) later and actually did it.

Wow good for you!! What made you try it again if you don't mind me asking?

Exhaustion and realizing I would never be able to do the NCSS. DH and I both work FT and I was getting up at least 5 times a night. Plus I have a coworker whose opinion I respect immensely who was strongly encouraging me to give Ferber a try and raving about how miraculous it had been for her LO who is three weeks younger than mine.

Your story sounds just like mine with DD1. I "tried" CIO but didn't last 2 min. Got advice from a friend I respect who has 5 children. She ave me the strength and encouragement I needed to do commit. And yes this was also after realizing the NCSS wouldn't work for us.

ballygirl

@crarnberg‌, I'm in the same boat. Both my girls are up every 2 hours almost every night. DH still can't get them to go to sleep so usually I'm doing the majority of the night work. It's too much. I'm run down, exhausted, moody, I keep getting sick. And my girls are unhappy too. They are so fussy most days and I think it's because they don't sleep. I see a big difference in their behavior on those rare nights when they do sleep decently.

I finally bought the Ferber book and am giving it a read before we start. I really didn't want to but if it works I think it will be for the best. I'm not sure of the logistics with 2 babies so I hope the book haas a section on multiples. My nanny did offer to help and even said she would do a weekend for us and we could go to a hotel. She's done this before with previous clients but I guess we'll give it a go on our own first.

psychdoc12

I think another big realization was that my LO was doing an awful lot of crying throughout the night even though I was getting up with her all those times. She was very unhappy. She was cranky during the day. She needed to sleep and I finally realized that it was up to me to teach her how, even if it was hard at the time. Same way that it's my job to hold her down for her shots when she screams. It was for her benefit.

sleepy33

Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.

psychdoc12

ElleStaxx said:

@psychdoc12‌ I'm so glad you had good results with a ferber 'revisit!' I have a lot of IRL friends who have similiar stories. I'll admit I talked to many people about Ferber and even read the book but I did not go ahead and try it until I got the 'ok' from 3 pediatricians at LO's doctors office.

I feel like a Ferber evangelist. 

kimbo1216

sleepy33 said:

Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.

When we sleep trained DD1 at 6m, she was already crawling and pulling to stand. When she would sleep, she'd always put herself FDBU (face down butt up). And when she sleeps on her crib, DD2 always flips to her belly. I don't fight it.

I'm glad it's a miracle for you. But for many, it's not just a simple fix.

I know you are super anti any CIO. All I can say is I hope you never get to the point where you feel like it's your only option. I don't wish what I went through with DD1 on anyone.

psychdoc12

kimbo1216 said:

Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.

When we sleep trained DD1 at 6m, she was already crawling and pulling to stand. When she would sleep, she'd always put herself FDBU (face down butt up). And when she sleeps on her crib, DD2 always flips to her belly. I don't fight it. I'm glad it's a miracle for you. But for many, it's not just a simple fix. I know you are super anti any CIO. All I can say is I hope you never get to the point where you feel like it's your only option. I don't wish what I went through with DD1 on anyone

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I would recommend against getting LO dependent on back patting to go to sleep if there's another option. Just my opinion.

kimbo1216

@jgslr‌ I'm not really sure what you want to here. When I was in similar shoes as you, I ultimately did Ferber. There are other methods. Have you tried Good Night, Sleep Tight?

Ultimately you have to make a choice. My opinion on sleep training is that it takes a combination of following your gut and knowing your kid and what you've learned from the experts.


Good luck. I hope you find something that works for you.

sleepy33

kimbo1216 said:

Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.

When we sleep trained DD1 at 6m, she was already crawling and pulling to stand. When she would sleep, she'd always put herself FDBU (face down butt up). And when she sleeps on her crib, DD2 always flips to her belly. I don't fight it. I'm glad it's a miracle for you. But for many, it's not just a simple fix. I know you are super anti any CIO. All I can say is I hope you never get to the point where you feel like it's your only option. I don't wish what I went through with DD1 on anyone.

I don't feel like I'm anti- anything. I just feel like everyone should explore ALL options and make SURE that there isn't something else going on before using CIO as a 'last resort', so to speak. I understand there are some cases where a 'simple fix' won't work, but maybe for some, it will.

 All I know is, last week, my baby suddenly decided he was going to wake up the instant I put him in his crib on his back (like usual). For two nights in a row, the minute I bent to lower him in his crib, instant crying. He slept on my chest on the couch. One night, at 5 am, I DID let him cry for 5 minutes for my own sanity, at which point he promptly flipped onto his belly and went to sleep. That caused me to think a bit, and the next night, when he began to cry as I lowered him, I flipped him on his belly, and patted his back until he quit crying and went to sleep about 2 minutes later. The night after that, he cried for 30 seconds. Tonight, he didn't cry at all. It's not the crying part of CIO I mind so much, it's the lack of comforting. It's the leaving alone. My baby cried when I laid him down in his crib, but I didn't leave, and I didn't stop comforting him.

You changed this thread from the  sleep training thread to the Sleep thread. If I'm not welcome to post here,  then I'll bow out. I've only ever posted things to try to help. I've never criticized anyone's choices that I'm aware of. I feel like there is room here for everyone's point of view.

sleepy33

psychdoc12 said:

kimbo1216 said:

Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.

When we sleep trained DD1 at 6m, she was already crawling and pulling to stand. When she would sleep, she'd always put herself FDBU (face down butt up). And when she sleeps on her crib, DD2 always flips to her belly. I don't fight it. I'm glad it's a miracle for you. But for many, it's not just a simple fix. I know you are super anti any CIO. All I can say is I hope you never get to the point where you feel like it's your only option. I don't wish what I went through with DD1 on anyone

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I would recommend against getting LO dependent on back patting to go to sleep if there's another option. Just my opinion.

I understand what you're saying, but I have no problem sitting and patting my kid's back for as long as it takes him to fall asleep, now or in the future. Compared to having to rock him for an hour and then pray he wouldn't wake up when I went to lay him in his crib, this is a piece of cake. Plus, I only get about an hour with him after work before bedtime, so I don't mind the extra time I get to stare at him as he falls asleep.

psychdoc12

sleepy33 said:

psychdoc12 said:

kimbo1216 said:

Has anybody else tried flipping them on their belly and patting their backs until they fall asleep? This has been like the new miracle in my house this past week.

When we sleep trained DD1 at 6m, she was already crawling and pulling to stand. When she would sleep, she'd always put herself FDBU (face down butt up). And when she sleeps on her crib, DD2 always flips to her belly. I don't fight it. I'm glad it's a miracle for you. But for many, it's not just a simple fix. I know you are super anti any CIO. All I can say is I hope you never get to the point where you feel like it's your only option. I don't wish what I went through with DD1 on anyone

*stuck in quote box*

I would recommend against getting LO dependent on back patting to go to sleep if there's another option. Just my opinion.

I understand what you're saying, but I have no problem sitting and patting my kid's back for as long as it takes him to fall asleep, now or in the future. Compared to having to rock him for an hour and then pray he wouldn't wake up when I went to lay him in his crib, this is a piece of cake. Plus, I only get about an hour with him after work before bedtime, so I don't mind the extra time I get to stare at him as he falls asleep.

My hesitation would relate more to the fact that he might need back patting to get back to sleep every time he wakes up in the MOTN.