UO

talkthewholetime · April 2014

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Agreed. Schools can't teach you everything. I'm a functional member of society becuase my parents taught me how to handle money, file my taxes, buy a car, etc. My dad sucked at a lot of "dad" things, but he really taught me a lot about being financially literate. I was lucky enough that my parents paid for a lot of things for me that they didn't need to (college, cars, etc) but I was always involved in how it all worked. THANK GOD. I avoided so many dumb mistakes a lot of my friends made because of my dad.

pistolpackinmomma · April 2014

My parents taught me about finances. The school touches base on how to balance a checkbook but my parents taught me the value of a dollar and drilled in my head to balance my checkbook. Our schools have a "career center" in which certain trades are taught and kids graduate certified in that trade. They also have the option of going to the community college for their junior/senior years and can graduate HS with an associates degree if they want. Or they can stay at the regular HS. I love that our kids will have those options available to them. Oh and @Rocknroll64‌, some engineers do drive trains while others design building, electrical layouts, roads, new products, etc. There are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer in the career sense.

sisterjanet · April 2014

pandadair said:

pistolpackinmomma said:

lindseylu10 said:

OMG this was about strangers saying you're so big, not any other conversation anyone is having! All these conversations everyone keeps posting are awful but not even remotely what I was talking about. If you need to vent about the stuff people say to you there is a whole big long thread about it called "Shit people say"...

Sorry but even saying you're so big is never a compliment. Sorry but it's just rude. I agree with PP that if you wouldn't say it to a non pregnant person then why is it ok to say it to me just because I have a little human inside of me? I hate that because I am pregnant my weight everything is topic for conversation, even small talk with strangers. I don't understand being awkward around pregnant women. We are the same person we were before it's just that we are in the process of creating a kid. The end. Ask me when I'm due. Ask me how I'm feeling. And as annoying as it is tell me at least I don't have to deal with the super hot summer heat. Those are all acceptable. I don't know when it is ever acceptable to tell a woman how big she is. Or anyone for that matter.

Sorry, had to amend. In the last week, I've had two different co-workers (both guys, no less) basically tell me how shitty it is to not breast feed. Just because I have a fetus in me does NOT mean that I want to discuss anything having to do with my vagina, nipples or breasts with random people. Not your damn business. The funny part is, I do plan to BF (or at least try), but I get so defensive in these conversations. Do they just assume I'm stupid and don't know how to decide these things for myself? Like, I know better than her, so let me educate her on her own body and her own child?

Are these men republicans? </lame joke>

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Because the public school system's job is to educate people and I think these things are far more important than a lot of things taught in the school system. These are things that every person should know, yet cursive hand writing is still taught? really?

Also leaving these skills to be taught by parents is a dumb argument.

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

pistolpackinmomma said:

My parents taught me about finances. The school touches base on how to balance a checkbook but my parents taught me the value of a dollar and drilled in my head to balance my checkbook. Our schools have a "career center" in which certain trades are taught and kids graduate certified in that trade. They also have the option of going to the community college for their junior/senior years and can graduate HS with an associates degree if they want. Or they can stay at the regular HS. I love that our kids will have those options available to them. Oh and @Rocknroll64‌, some engineers do drive trains while others design building, electrical layouts, roads, new products, etc. There are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer in the career sense.

Your parents sound awesome but a lot of parents don't have the knowledge either. I mean my parents taught me how to read and the alphabet but obviously we don't rely on every parent doing that for their child.

And that was my point, that I thought engineers only drove trains. I was ignorant to the fact that their are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer.

pistolpackinmomma · April 2014

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Because the public school system's job is to educate people and I think these things are far more important than a lot of things taught in the school system. These are things that every person should know, yet cursive hand writing is still taught? really?

Also leaving these skills to be taught by parents is a dumb argument.

What's wrong with a parent being responsible for teaching their kids common sense things like what an investment is or a mortgage or how to budget? Why do the schools need to raise our kids as responsible people? I fully plan to explain to my kids these things and teach them how to save their money. Cursive writing is still necessary for signing legal documents, however it is also being phased out in some schools. I'm amazed at how few kids now can actually read/write in cursive.

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

pistolpackinmomma said:

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Because the public school system's job is to educate people and I think these things are far more important than a lot of things taught in the school system. These are things that every person should know, yet cursive hand writing is still taught? really?

Also leaving these skills to be taught by parents is a dumb argument.

What's wrong with a parent being responsible for teaching their kids common sense things like what an investment is or a mortgage or how to budget? Why do the schools need to raise our kids as responsible people? I fully plan to explain to my kids these things and teach them how to save their money. Cursive writing is still necessary for signing legal documents, however it is also being phased out in some schools. I'm amazed at how few kids now can actually read/write in cursive.

I'm amazed that you think being able to read/write cursive writing is more important then knowing what a tax return is or how to budget finances.

That's the thing though, not all parents teach their kids those things and I think every person should be taught them. That's why I think it should be phased into the school curriculum.

I mean I think all parents should teach their children physical education but they don't, so that's why it's taught in the school system. That is my point.

laurblum · April 2014

fatbarbie0226 said:

This is definitely a UO. I love animals. All kinds. But I can't stand them in the house. The fur and dander everywhere, the butt scooting across the carpet, the pee and poop and puke... I just can't. Don't even get me started on letting the dogs and cats have the bed or lick the baby's face. Yuck! Yeah, I know kids are messy, sometimes more than the pets. They have pee and poop and puke too. But there's a big difference in cleaning up my kid's junk and just keeping the pet outside where he can be a pet. You can always tell that there are animals in a home, no matter how much the homeowner cleans. It's just not for me. I can't wait to get my kids a dog and a cat. When we have a nice yard and a garage where the pets can live happily and stay off my couches, carpet, bed...

Then I guess my UO today is that I think it's so fucked up to have an animal that isn't really part of your family. Either you want a pet or you don't. There's nothing wrong with not wanting one, but there is something wrong with having one that basically is there for your enjoyment ONLY when it's convenient for you. To have an animal that lives outside or in a garage (I pray it's climate controlled) is so cruel. They are social creatures who deserve to be part of the home if you've chosen to be a pet owner. If you don't want one just don't get one. Why bother?

Also, I really hate Everybody Loves Raymond. Like Ray Romano's comedy literally makes my brain hurt.

Shell+Bell · April 2014

I totally agree with you @Rocknroll64‌ , I think at the very least they should have an elective class for these life skills. My parents in no way could have taught this, having tons of debt, never had a mortgage, they had and still do not have any knowledge of how to manage their finances. How can they teach their children that?! They have elective classes for sewing, woodwork, keyboarding, what's wrong with having one for important life skills?! I even took a class for child development. Don't know why I took it, it was a class they had at our school for pregnant teenagers.

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

And no, cursive writing is not required for signing legal documents. A signature is.

sisterjanet · April 2014

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Because the public school system's job is to educate people and I think these things are far more important than a lot of things taught in the school system. These are things that every person should know, yet cursive hand writing is still taught? really?

Also leaving these skills to be taught by parents is a dumb argument.

That, I completely disagree with. Learning should happen at school, yes, and some parents are really busy, but seriously? It's dumb to expect parents to teach their own kids how to live?

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Because the public school system's job is to educate people and I think these things are far more important than a lot of things taught in the school system. These are things that every person should know, yet cursive hand writing is still taught? really?

Also leaving these skills to be taught by parents is a dumb argument.

That, I completely disagree with. Learning should happen at school, yes, and some parents are really busy, but seriously? It's dumb to expect parents to teach their own kids how to live?

It's sad, but yes. I mean some parents don't even have the skills themselves.

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

It is pretty sad how lacking in useful knowledge a lot of people are these days. That said, why does this need to be the school's problem? I get the impression it's tough to fit in all the requirements as it is. The only part I totally agree with you is with respect to job opportunities. The schools need to do better at helping students know what their post-high-school options are. I think businesses could actually work with schools on that, so for example if you're the kind of kid who loves shop class but hates everything else about school, a carpenter's union or something could take you on part time and you could get a definite idea about what woodworking is all about and whether you want to do that while earning high school credit for it.

With the other kinds of life skills, maybe parents could sign their kids up for cooking and money knowledge and whatever other similar extracurriculars that they invent and take turns hosting. (A girl can dream.)

Because the public school system's job is to educate people and I think these things are far more important than a lot of things taught in the school system. These are things that every person should know, yet cursive hand writing is still taught? really?

Also leaving these skills to be taught by parents is a dumb argument.

That, I completely disagree with. Learning should happen at school, yes, and some parents are really busy, but seriously? It's dumb to expect parents to teach their own kids how to live?

These skills are NECESSARY skills, like reading and writing. They are used everyday and they affect society as a whole.

Just think, if the majority population had been more educated about debt/finance maybe the big market crash of 2008 wouldn't have happened.

spacepotatoes · April 2014

I was working today so forgive the multiple quotes as I catch up and add my 2 cents...

LoveIsAll25 said:

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I like that he is confident. We tell people "be happy with who you are, be confident, blah blah blah love yourself" but as soon as you have someone like Kanye who actually believes it, people call him a douche, full of himself, egotistic, etc.

The end.

So, calling himself "Yeezus" doesn't make him any of those things? There's nothing wrong with being confident and knowing you're good at something, but there's also something to be said for letting your talent speak for itself.

lindseylu10 said:

Ok brah (since I'm a dude you can be a brah) all I was saying is that a total stranger saying "you're so big" may very well not be the incredible insult so many take it to be. That's all, as I said earlier, if it is someone you know that is saying the rude, ignorant things that is another story but that one little phrase from someone you have literally never met is probably not meant to take your self-esteem down.

I take issue with the "if they didn't mean it that way, let it go" argument. To me, it doesn't matter how good their intentions are. Ignorant shit is still ignorant shit and by continuing to take it and write it off as "oh, they meant well," it'll never go away. People at some point need to learn that it's not appropriate and that they need to STFU.

You're probably going to hate where I'm about to take this but to me, it's similar in some ways to those arguments we've had about using the R-word. Or when people use "gay" to describe things that have nothing do with actual homosexuality. Of course no one means it "that" way when they use it. Does that make it ok and we should let it slide? Of course not. So why should we continue to let our bodies be considered appropriate fodder for public discussion?

@Rocknroll64 I think the whole school system thing is a no-win situation. No matter what we focus on, people are going to wish it included more of something and less of something else. And there isn't enough time for the basics as it is. I can see both sides of the coin - parents should be responsible for teaching their kids a lot of the things we are now expected to. But I've also seen a lot of kids coming from families where that will never happen, for various reasons. I don't know what the right solution to that is. I do have to laugh about your cursive writing comment, though. It was taken out of the Ontario curriculum many years ago and people here bitch that it's NOT being taught anymore. It really is a no-win thing!

@laurblum I am totally with you on the Raymond thing. I always hated his show and the way Deborah was treated on it.

sisterjanet · April 2014

@rocknroll64 (skipping the quote tree)

I know not all parents know all things, hence my shiny idealistic dream of parents trading off teaching a group of kids whatever life skills they have. At the very least, I would hope parents would know how to point their kid in the right direction to find things out on their own. Just sharing the knowledge that librarians will do their best to answer literally any question, and that a lot of life skills have how-to videos on youtube or articles on about.com seems like excellent first steps.

It seems unlikely we'll agree about this though. My understanding of what you've written is that you believe schools are for making sure kids know everything they should know/might need, whereas my hopeful plan is to home school. That's why it hit me so hard when you said it's dumb to argue that parents should teach their kids.

Rocknroll64 · April 2014

sisterjanet said:

@rocknroll64 (skipping the quote tree)

I know not all parents know all things, hence my shiny idealistic dream of parents trading off teaching a group of kids whatever life skills they have. At the very least, I would hope parents would know how to point their kid in the right direction to find things out on their own. Just sharing the knowledge that librarians will do their best to answer literally any question, and that a lot of life skills have how-to videos on youtube or articles on about.com seems like excellent first steps.

It seems unlikely we'll agree about this though. My understanding of what you've written is that you believe schools are for making sure kids know everything they should know/might need, whereas my hopeful plan is to home school. That's why it hit me so hard when you said it's dumb to argue that parents should teach their kids.

Fair enough, but remember, the fact that you want to and have the ability to teach your kids doesn't mean that most parents do.

oscarwao · April 2014

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

sisterjanet said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

I teach public high school. In theory, students should have access to guidance counselors to assist them with available career options, scholarships, post-secondary education.... problem is, some guidance departments are AWESOME and others are downright TERRIBLE.

As far as dishing out the "practical" knowledge to students - this also would be awesome if it were possible to implement. Not saying its impossible, but the system is totally jacked. Who is going to teach this? I know that I can barely cover my material by year's end (I teach English). I am constantly asked to teach things outside of the spectrum of English... for example, this year we were requested to teach a week long unit on internet safety. Is it important to teach kids about internet safety? Absolutely. Should I as an English teacher be doing that? Probably not. Of 180 days in the school year I loose time to testing, photo days, events, vision screenings, etc. I am intensely annoyed when someone asks me to teach outside of my specialization because quite frankly I don't have the days to give.

Now a class geared toward delivering this practical knowledge could in theory work well - I've seen versions of this class in various schools (courses like "Life Skills" or "Critical Thinking and Development" that are meant to give this kind of necessary remediation to students in need). But these courses aren't always readily available, nor are they required. The amount of bureaucratic hoopla to make this a requirement and align it with some sort of Common Core or state standards would be pretty intense.

Also, the way in which the credit system is prioritized in public schools is totally jacked IMO. A kid can fail a core class like English or Math and make it up online through a virtual school, or worse through a credit redemption program like PLATO.... meanwhile their daily schedule is filled with electives like Art, Chorus, Graphic Design, etc. So you can fail my class and then make it up in two weeks in a computer lab by clicking through screens and answering some multi-choice tests? Awesome.

School do this because many of them are run like businesses. On time graduation rates are directly tied to school grades. School grades are directly tied to the amount of funding a school receives. Therefore, many schools practice social promotion. Kid failing? Can't have that.... stick them in a computer lab so they can complete a credit redemption program and graduate on time. Or pressure the teacher (who is often on a renewable, one-year annual contract) to promote the student. Of course I'm only speaking from my experience in my state, other states could likely be operating very differently.

Sorry I've gone off on a rant here. Do schools need to do a better job of prepping students for the real world? To some degree yes. Do I view that responsibility as being a parental responsibility as well? Hell yes I do. IMO, parenting has tremendously more impact on a child's success than the public school system, though my opinions on that are anecdotal.

awc1986 · April 2014

FTR I think Kanye is hilarious. I don't think that's his intention, but you have to admit he's a comedy genius. Nobody could seriously be that delusional.

IBackBevo · April 2014

awc1986 said:

FTR I think Kanye is hilarious. I don't think that's his intention, but you have to admit he's a comedy genius. Nobody could seriously be that delusional.

You would think he was a character in a SNL skit playing an exaggerated version of himself. Or a cartoon character.

spacepotatoes · April 2014

awc1986 said:

FTR I think Kanye is hilarious. I don't think that's his intention, but you have to admit he's a comedy genius. Nobody could seriously be that delusional.

Exhibit A:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBAtAM7vtgc

awc1986 · April 2014

@IBackBevo‌ @spacepotatoes‌

I think it's all a big skit and we're the butt of the joke.

Anyway, if you say you don't like "gold digger", you're lying.

spacepotatoes · April 2014

@awc1986 I actually do like Gold Digger but Kanye would be pissed to know that I associate it more with Jamie Foxx than with him.

fatbarbie0226 · April 2014

Growing up we had a dog who was never in the house. We also lived in the country with no fenced yard. He could come and go as he pleased, plenty of room to run, was very well behaved and we loved spending time outside playing with him and exploring our property. We took him camping and hiking and fishing... he was totally part of the family. But he was also an animal who ate horse poop, dead animals, rolled in who knows what... and therefore was not allowed in the house.

Yeah, kids are gross, but they are human kinds of gross. My house shows that gross humans live there, but that doesn't mean I have to have gross animals adding to it. It also doesn't mean I have to deprive my children from having a fun dog to grow up with. The dog can live outside and be a part of the family.

I know it's an UO that's why I posted it here.

whimsy515 · April 2014

Rocknroll64 Maybe it's because I hated math, and wasn't diagnosed with Dyslexia with numbers until I was a Senior. But I would rather have a math class that taught me loans and the like in school rather than what an obtuse triangle is or adding matrices. I was that miserable person in school thinking, "I'm never going to need this." So I absolutely think that schools should give the options. If you love geometry or algebra, great but for the same credit kids should be able to take classes that deal with mortgages and all types of loans.

Sadly in my school, we'd have career days and such, but it was only for colleges and joining the armed forces. Trade schools wasn't really presented to kids who could have really benefited from them.

momthatlifts · April 2014

LuckyNumbers said:
Boiled peanuts from a can are delicious.

I have a lot of extended family in the South, and whenever we would visit, there were plenty of boiled peanuts to be had. I don't currently live in the South, and finding raw green peanuts to boil myself is quite a task.

These totally hit the spot. Redneck as fuck? Yes. But delicious nonetheless.

We stock up on these when they have the Cajun ones. They're fantastic

Mamazon2014 · April 2014

We had a mandatory semester long economics class but all we ever did was play on the virtual stock market.

So it wasn't a total shock when a few years after I graduated, we found out that the instructor was filing bankruptcy. Guess he should have practiced what he preached!

sisterjanet · April 2014

@LuckyNumbers

https://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_1?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=boiled peanuts&sprefix=boiled+,aps&rh=i:aps,k:boiled peanuts

kat8805 · April 2014

Fuck tha polease!! I mean... I found it perfectly acceptable to come home after my Drs appointment today, strip off my pants, and eat my McD's on the couch. DD didn't even notice until I had to wipe her butt after she took a deuce. Oh shit, that's not a UO really, more of a confession. Is it Friday yet? I sure hope "pantless & IDGAF" isn't a UO.

pandadair · April 2014

sisterjanet said:

pandadair said:

pistolpackinmomma said:

lindseylu10 said:

OMG this was about strangers saying you're so big, not any other conversation anyone is having! All these conversations everyone keeps posting are awful but not even remotely what I was talking about. If you need to vent about the stuff people say to you there is a whole big long thread about it called "Shit people say"...

Sorry but even saying you're so big is never a compliment. Sorry but it's just rude. I agree with PP that if you wouldn't say it to a non pregnant person then why is it ok to say it to me just because I have a little human inside of me? I hate that because I am pregnant my weight everything is topic for conversation, even small talk with strangers. I don't understand being awkward around pregnant women. We are the same person we were before it's just that we are in the process of creating a kid. The end. Ask me when I'm due. Ask me how I'm feeling. And as annoying as it is tell me at least I don't have to deal with the super hot summer heat. Those are all acceptable. I don't know when it is ever acceptable to tell a woman how big she is. Or anyone for that matter.

Sorry, had to amend. In the last week, I've had two different co-workers (both guys, no less) basically tell me how shitty it is to not breast feed. Just because I have a fetus in me does NOT mean that I want to discuss anything having to do with my vagina, nipples or breasts with random people. Not your damn business. The funny part is, I do plan to BF (or at least try), but I get so defensive in these conversations. Do they just assume I'm stupid and don't know how to decide these things for myself? Like, I know better than her, so let me educate her on her own body and her own child?

Are these men republicans? </lame joke>

The best part is, the one getting on my case the most is a super liberal, gay, Hawaiian Obama fanboy. I really wanted to ask him if he thinks gay couples shouldn't be allowed to adopt unless they can provide proof that they will have constant, guaranteed access to donor breast milk or a wet nurse for the first year of life. Because formula is sooooo horrible.

pistolpackinmomma · April 2014

ashtog said:

kat8805 said:

Fuck tha polease!! I mean... I found it perfectly acceptable to come home after my Drs appointment today, strip off my pants, and eat my McD's on the couch. DD didn't even notice until I had to wipe her butt after she took a deuce. Oh shit, that's not a UO really, more of a confession. Is it Friday yet? I sure hope "pantless & IDGAF" isn't a UO.

I hate pants. when it's just me and the kids I tend to hang out without them as well.. but if you pop over to my house unannounced in the middle of the afternoon on a weekend, you will find that my children are all in relative states of undress as well.. lol. They come by it honestly.

My kid is constantly stripping. I told DH I didn't understand why I can't keep clothes on him and he just gave me the look as I was sitting in my shorts and a sports bra saying this.

lavendergiraffes · April 2014

@kimberlykl2009‌ I love you! You said everything I was thinking and more. It's ridiculous what I'm expected to teach in the time that I have and more is added every year. I know, it's my job, but it's the parents' job to raise them to be valuable members of society! But with all the political loopholes to go through, our educational system is fucked...

spinsoffresonance · April 2014

Re kids on a leash. In theory, I'm totally against toddler leashes. I think it's stupid, you should teach your kid to hold your hand and not run away in traffic rather than relying on a leash. However, now that I'm gonna have 2U2 and DD is a runner who won't hold my hand I'm totally considering getting one!

Re WM/SAHM debate. Looks like I have the opposite problem from most people here. I actually don't want to be a SAHM, I like my work and want to keep working. But I don't make enough after taxes to cover the cost of daycare. With the cost of daycare/nannies for 2U2 around here I would need to earn $70k/year just to break even. This is crazy. I'm still debating working even though it will cost me money !

PhatPhingerz · April 2014

Amirite?

Soupy84 · April 2014

tjkdlhb said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

Also... home ec and skilled trades!

So many of our students prefer to go into skilled trades and find great careers in those areas. I wish we had the ability to teach more around these areas. Most of our kids don't understand the empirical system, even though we use metric here, if you're doing carpentry or something of the sort, it's all empirical.

tjkdlhb - You meant Imperial System, right?

Rocknroll64 said:

pistolpackinmomma said:

My parents taught me about finances. The school touches base on how to balance a checkbook but my parents taught me the value of a dollar and drilled in my head to balance my checkbook. Our schools have a "career center" in which certain trades are taught and kids graduate certified in that trade. They also have the option of going to the community college for their junior/senior years and can graduate HS with an associates degree if they want. Or they can stay at the regular HS. I love that our kids will have those options available to them. Oh and @Rocknroll64‌, some engineers do drive trains while others design building, electrical layouts, roads, new products, etc. There are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer in the career sense.

Your parents sound awesome but a lot of parents don't have the knowledge either. I mean my parents taught me how to read and the alphabet but obviously we don't rely on every parent doing that for their child.

And that was my point, that I thought engineers only drove trains. I was ignorant to the fact that their are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer.

Dont Canadian schools still have CALM (Career and Life Management) classes that are required as part of the graduation requirements? It was called Advisory when I graduated, but this was the same content and actually spanned grades 9-12 to prepare students for the real world.

I mention Canadian schools because it seemed that most of the posters questioning where my fellow Canadian mamas. Every province will be different. I graduated in the NWT (is under the Alberta curriculum). I know Ontario doesnt have grade 13 anymore, but I always thought that kind of was the equivalent of CALM/Advisory.

Shell+Bell · April 2014

Soupy84 said:

tjkdlhb said:

Rocknroll64 said:

I think that the public school system needs to do a better job teaching real world skills. After graduating high school, a person should know what a tax return is, what a mortgage is, how interest rates work, and how to budget their finances. Not to mention teach kids a broader spectrum of what kinds of careers are out there. It's embarrassing how long I thought an engineer drove a train.

Also, I had a guy ask me what an investment was the other day. Seriously?

Also... home ec and skilled trades!

So many of our students prefer to go into skilled trades and find great careers in those areas. I wish we had the ability to teach more around these areas. Most of our kids don't understand the empirical system, even though we use metric here, if you're doing carpentry or something of the sort, it's all empirical.

tjkdlhb - You meant Imperial System, right?

Rocknroll64 said:

pistolpackinmomma said:

My parents taught me about finances. The school touches base on how to balance a checkbook but my parents taught me the value of a dollar and drilled in my head to balance my checkbook. Our schools have a "career center" in which certain trades are taught and kids graduate certified in that trade. They also have the option of going to the community college for their junior/senior years and can graduate HS with an associates degree if they want. Or they can stay at the regular HS. I love that our kids will have those options available to them. Oh and @Rocknroll64‌, some engineers do drive trains while others design building, electrical layouts, roads, new products, etc. There are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer in the career sense.

Your parents sound awesome but a lot of parents don't have the knowledge either. I mean my parents taught me how to read and the alphabet but obviously we don't rely on every parent doing that for their child.

And that was my point, that I thought engineers only drove trains. I was ignorant to the fact that their are a lot of different meanings to the word engineer.

Dont Canadian schools still have CALM (Career and Life Management) classes that are required as part of the graduation requirements? It was called Advisory when I graduated, but this was the same content and actually spanned grades 9-12 to prepare students for the real world.

I mention Canadian schools because it seemed that most of the posters questioning where my fellow Canadian mamas. Every province will be different. I graduated in the NWT (is under the Alberta curriculum). I know Ontario doesnt have grade 13 anymore, but I always thought that kind of was the equivalent of CALM/Advisory.

I haven't heard of CALM, and not sure if BC has an equivalent to it nowadays. But I didn't have this when I graduated *gulp* 14 years ago. The only thing I needed to graduate, besides passing grades, was a certain # hours of work/volunteer experience which I qualified for with my first job at A&W which I worked at for a whole 2 weeks.

spacepotatoes · April 2014

@Soupy84 When I was in high school (I was the 2nd last group of students who went through grade 13), we didn't have any type of career program. There was co-op, which was an elective, and our guidance counsellors would provide more if we wanted it. Some career planning was worked into certain courses but it wasn't the focus.

Under the new curriculum that came out when they went back down to just 4 years of high school, they created a Civics and Careers block in grade 10. The careers half goes through skills inventory, resume building, interviewing, researching careers of interest, job shadowing, that kind of thing. It is only half a semester, though, and a lot of students don't really take it seriously.

They are starting to roll out a new program starting next year that will integrate skills development and career planning all the way through K-12. The media has done a bang-up job of reporting it, as usual, so parents are already up in arms about it but from what I heard at our last PD session, it sounds like it might actually be useful. Time will tell!

ETA: Grade 13 had nothing to do with career awareness. That was for OAC (Ontario Academic Credit) courses, which were intended for students planning to go on to university programs. Students who intended to go to college or straight to workforce usually just left after graduating in grade 12 since they didn't need any OACs.

jenb_99 · April 2014

Frozen was overrated; Tangled was so much better.

I don't get all the love for Idina Menzel or Kristin Chenoweth. Idina is screechy and Kristin annoys me.

I don't care for Dr. Seuss or Sandra Boynton books.

Soupy84 · April 2014

spacepotatoes said:

@Soupy84 When I was in high school (I was the 2nd last group of students who went through grade 13), we didn't have any type of career program. There was co-op, which was an elective, and our guidance counsellors would provide more if we wanted it. Some career planning was worked into certain courses but it wasn't the focus.

Under the new curriculum that came out when they went back down to just 4 years of high school, they created a Civics and Careers block in grade 10. The careers half goes through skills inventory, resume building, interviewing, researching careers of interest, job shadowing, that kind of thing. It is only half a semester, though, and a lot of students don't really take it seriously.

They are starting to roll out a new program starting next year that will integrate skills development and career planning all the way through K-12. The media has done a bang-up job of reporting it, as usual, so parents are already up in arms about it but from what I heard at our last PD session, it sounds like it might actually be useful. Time will tell!

ETA: Grade 13 had nothing to do with career awareness. That was for OAC (Ontario Academic Credit) courses, which were intended for students planning to go on to university programs. Students who intended to go to college or straight to workforce usually just left after graduating in grade 12 since they didn't need any OACs.

@SpacePotatoes
For our Advisory class, it was a 50 minute period every week (or second week) in which we covered a lot of life skills. I really wish I had paid better attention to some of the things taught.

I think its fantastic that they are re-working this content into the k-12 curriculum. Basic life skills are a necessity. For example, look at the number of students who are not even allowed to participate in sex-ed health classes in elementary schools. I cant even begin to imagine the gaps in life skills for those students in school now if their parents are not providing the CORRECT information at home.

I know the AB curriculum is also undergoing a major curriculum change to narrow down and streamline the material covered. Right now, it is too broad and recent graduates know very little about everything. I know I felt this was when I graduated HS (11 years ago), particularly with the sciences.

@Shell+Bell - I think we needed 20+ volunteer hours. I cant remember if there was a work component, but I feel that having a work component should be a requirement for all students. I dont know if its mandatory here in AB, but I often get calls from HS students asking for a temporary placement in my store to get work experience. I know I had my first job when I was 14.

Tkhixen · April 2014

Re: public school discussion

I get slightly annoyed by people who think public schools don't do enough to educate children. I know that I work my ass off trying to get my students on grade level every year. Most people who complain about this are non educators, but yet I don't see any of them volunteering their time to mentor or help out in their local schools. Maybe take a lunch hour one day a week and work with some of these children to help with these skills.

Soupy84 · April 2014

Tkhixen said:

Re: public school discussion I get slightly annoyed by people who think public schools don't do enough to educate children. I know that I work my ass off trying to get my students on grade level every year. Most people who complain about this are non educators, but yet I don't see any of them volunteering their time to mentor or help out in their local schools. Maybe take a lunch hour one day a week and work with some of these children to help with these skills.

Sadly, my husband (educator) finds the only volunteers that make their way into the classroom are those that have their children in alternative program schools. A lot of these alternative program schools are higher end and tend to have a much larger budget than most public schools. He was at an alternative program school last year (it was part of the Public School District) and it was truly amazing to see the financial support and the volunteer presence. This year he is at an overloaded public school in a medium socio-economic status area of the city and it is a struggle for the school. Half the volunteers who come in to do lunchroom supervision dont even speak basic english.

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